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twinflame1914
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posted October 29, 2014 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am trying to find out how to calculate marriage yeas...no luck yet.

I had a first meeting chart and was told that it wasn't going to be an easy relationship

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posted October 29, 2014 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
I am trying to find out how to calculate marriage yeas...no luck yet.

I had a first meeting chart and was told that it wasn't going to be an easy relationship


I have a first meeting chart for my guy. I don't even want to look! I've already been told it's more like a friendship and there weren't so many attraction aspects, but, damn.... I'm attracted!

Let's hope someone comes tell us about the marriage years. But I vaguely remember it's counting degrees sun to venus which is exactly right when I met my x husband. Then counting venus to something else... Venus to mars is like when I was 6 yr old or something. LOL. But Venus to moon would be 2016, and that is the year I have Venus sq Nept. Interesting.....

I could be totally totally off on this... Let's see what others say.

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posted October 29, 2014 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It can also mean a dream come true, Auby. And a fairytale wedding..

Exactly.

I've researched wedding dates and now see Venus/Neptune at the time as indicative of a feeling of a dream romance. And some people do view the act of getting married in that light, something they've romanticized,either in general or with that specific person.

It's a very idealized energy.

It can also be a very creative time.

The situation has to be judged in terms of what is happening in the person's life.

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posted October 29, 2014 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
[b]It can also mean a dream come true, Auby. And a fairytale wedding..


This also applies to Squares?
This man is a smitten kitten. He even said last night "I am going to marry you one day". I'm like "the planets say you're gonna cheat on me!". He handled it like a champ

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posted October 29, 2014 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This also applies to Squares?
This man is a smitten kitten. He even said last night "I am going to marry you one day". I'm like "the planets say you're gonna cheat on me!". He handled it like a champ

No! No. No. No. Stop.

We do this ourselves. If you keep thinking that you'll make it happen by causing a rift before there is one.

LL said it earlier, repeats it often and I totally agree with here. Square are NOT bad horrible things. They can be. But they can also be dynamic, drivers of action, etc.

Anyway, you could be the one to cheat or deceive. It's not always the man's fault. Keep the negative thinking in check!

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posted October 29, 2014 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks

If he does propose I feel like it will definitely be during this transit. Does it always involve relationships with my partner or could it be with others, or with money?

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posted October 29, 2014 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If he does propose I feel like it will definitely be during this transit. Does it always involve relationships with my partner or could it be with others, or with money?


Sure. It could be about money. Venus is in your 4th, so I could see it being about marriage or moving in together or buying a house to build at the family home. You could maybe buy a house that is too expensive for you. You could start to feel restless and question your relationship. You could meet someone else who deceives you. Maybe you think the real estate broker is great but they are really out to sell you a lemon. Maybe you could spend too much money on your wedding..... Maybe your mom wants a wedding so big that she rents peacocks to prance around the venue then sticks you with the bill.....

It could be a lot of things.

Think of 4th house issues.

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posted October 29, 2014 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok.... That chart is 99% the same as someone I may or may not know..... ..... Spooky!

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posted October 29, 2014 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:

Exactly.

I've researched wedding dates and now see Venus/Neptune at the time as indicative of a feeling of a dream romance. And some people do view the act of getting married in that light, something they've romanticized,either in general or with that specific person.

It's a very idealized energy.

It can also be a very creative time.

The situation has to be judged in terms of what is happening in the person's life.


I'd love to know how many of these VENUS/NEPTUNE square weddings continued to feel as if it was a faerie-tale experience 6 months -- or even a year -- later.

To me, it indicates that something's amiss. Ultimately, it may be the right move -- as it was with my husband. But SO many just jump ship the moment they realise it's NOT exactly what they signed up for, and the Neptunian dream ends.

tNEP square nVENUS (or pVENUS) is where the cosmos are asking us to get real. Husbands have flatulence, and forget to pay the bill, and can't do dishes to save their arses, and bring Lactaid 'because it was the same shape as the milk' and Poise 'because they were the same colour' as your regular Maxis.

But, guess what?

We snore, and leave hair in the drain, and sometimes don't shave our legs and totally forget about last week's dessert in the fridge.

But they're great for rescuing spiders that appear from nowhere, and dumping out the cat litter, and -- once they learn how to use the gentle cycle -- adding in our delicates with their regular laundry. And for putting their arms around us at night, or because we've been triggered or are dealing with too much stress. And we're great for knowing exactly how they need to be touched, making a kick-ass spaghetti, and reminding them it's okay to cry, and they're still our 'big strong man' in our eyes.

Marriage ... it's a trip, man.

Having a NEP/VENUS energy in connexion to it is a clear indication that you need a wake-up call in some areas. But a lot of marriage is simply trial and error. You merely commit to it, regardless, if you're going to be serious about it.

But I can't tell you how many times my husband and I have both said 'which would have been GREAT to know BEFORE we got married.' But, we stick with it, and love each other anyway. Far from a faerie-tale wedding, it was kind of held together with duct-tape. We look back on it and shake our heads like ... WTF? HOW did we pull that off?

I'd say it was more miraculous than anything.

OH, and we were already married. When we had our wedding.

How's THAT for VENUS/NEPTUNE?

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posted October 29, 2014 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Ok.... That chart is 99% the same as someone I may or may not know..... ..... Spooky!

Do you mean my natal chart? They must be pretty awesome

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posted October 29, 2014 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well there will be no marriage during this transit. Even if there is an engagement it's going to be a long one.

Maybe this is going to be the push forward to make the commitment of moving in with him and his kids as the activity level is a little too much for me right now to handle that big of transition?

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posted October 29, 2014 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Y'know, looking back on the wedding, it was total VENUS/NEPTUNE.

We got married because he thought I wanted to.

In fact, I didn't actually KNOW that until mid-2012, when the kiddo (my stepdaughter) asked something about the proposal. He and I had been vaguely discussing becoming engaged; we'd both vacillate -- wildly -- on wanting to. It'd seem that he'd be for it, and I'd slowly get on board -- and he'd backpedal like crazy. So when he'd approach it again, I was wary. That happened a few times. Finally, I had thought, that we'd mutually decided to float the idea with both of our families that upcoming holiday season. He took this to mean that I was agitating for an engagement (completely not true). Our initial stop was in Vegas prior to our travelling to our hometown. I was TOTALLY caught off-guard when he proposed.

Funny thing about the proposal.

He thought that the way it actually happened wasn't very romantic or creative, so he concocted a nice and romantic proposal, which we then used as our official proposal story. (My mom actually just found out the truth this year. His mother, and as far as I know, everyone else -- still is under the impression it's what we told them.)

No ring, either. But, he wanted me to get whatever I wanted, which is actually VERY sweet. Of course, I was determined not to go ringless, so I bought a $45 white sapphire number from a shoppe we were both at during the holidays.

It was stolen at work about a month later. If that. My boss was sure it was a diamond, but I admitted -- no, it's a white sapphire, and only $45 -- don't sweat it. Instead, I cut a strip of chain (as jewellery design is one of my hobbies) and made a loop which I wore for the bulk of the engagement.

Funny thing about the engagement.

My husband wanted a long engagement; at least 5 years. Full financial stability, and the whole nine yards. I knew about his 'five-year-plan', but I had no idea he STILL intended it, and that we were going to be engaged for many years, with no intention of marrying anytime soon.

My engagement also created a deep divide between myself and my Twin, who, previously, really hadn't admitted to the fact he'd taken our own relationship (prior to my relationship with my husband) so seriously, and was VERY upset. It would seem I somehow hadn't noticed? Or maybe he was completely unclear?

I also ended up meeting (face-to-face, for the first time) both my Twin AND my Guardian within a month of each other, 1-2 months after I'd become engaged. I started seeing my Guardian about four months into my engagement, too.

My husband and I chose to actually marry because I had the opportunity for a really, really good job at our mutual place of business, for which I needed a specific work permit.

This is also how I discovered my legal name isn't actually my legal name. Rather, the name on my birth certificate, isn't quite my name. So. Get to my home state to be present to have my parents amend it? Not with my hours. Go to the capital? Not happening. Do an official name change? It'll take another 6-8 weeks. Don't have that kind of time.

About 2 months in, my husband says, off-handedly, 'we could always just get married.' I thought he was kidding. He was. Kinda. There was a LOT of resentment at getting married when we did, for a long, LONG time.

For starters, my relationship with my Guardian ended, because he hadn't told me that he was secretly hoping that I would decide to marry him instead. (Nope. Not kidding.) So when the idea was hatched that my fiance would just become my husband, and I could start the dream job, his hardcore principles of 'I can't be with a married woman' kicked in, and he ended our relationship -- much to my husband's chagrin, because it left me a total mess.

So, my husband and I went to the next city and were married by the JP, so that I could present the certificate, with a shiny new name, to the local PD and be awarded a work permit.

Instead, I ended up with an ID card boasting the name on my birth certificate, with my marriage certificate 'qualifying as proof of identity' ONLY because the manager at the DMV took pity upon me as I burst into tears. (Yep. Sure did.)

We got into work, and my newly christened husband says, 'I don't know any other man who would marry a woman so that she could get a job. I'm really amazing.'

Prior to that, I actually tried to make it somewhat of a thing. In between my mourning my relationship and going through a breakup, I actually wore as much white as I could -- a blouse and a white crepe skirt. My husband wore jeans and a tee shirt, because 'it wasn't a real wedding', and he declined any photos. He also proceeded to play Angry Birds in the lobby as we waited for the certificate.

(Recounting all this, I'm like ... wow. Yep. That's exactly how it was. But, MAN, how we've changed! In a good way. A very, very good way.)

So it was at those words, as we were arriving to work, that my deciding that, maybe this was just the quirky way in which we actually got married, and it wasn't a mistake -- that everything, and I mean EVERYTHING crashed into a heap at my feet. Plus, he was working in a whole other area of the building, and could barely even text me back.

I wanted an annulment. He said I was 'being dramatic'. My best friends were calling him names I won't repeat. And, of course, my parents were both devastated and furious.

In fact, they almost didn't come to the wedding.

So. The wedding.

A couple of weeks later, after things had started to sort out, with time and effort, we decided -- hell, we're married, we might as well BE married. Fortunately, my sister-in-law is a wedding planner.

We decided, with her help, exactly 3 weeks from the day, on New Year's Eve, we'd get married, in our home town during the annual holiday trip.

And we did.

I would say that it was a grand illusion, and my husband and I are master magicians. David Copperfield. David Blaine. I never actually received the voicemail from my father saying they weren't going to attend, so, when he arrived with my mother, and the FIRST TIME I SAW HIM was when he was going to bring me down the makeshift aisle, (in my mother-in-law's front lobby of her small business, which we converted for the ceremony).

Looking back at the video, I NOW understand the expression upon his face -- this combination of rage and sorrow.

We opted for no rehearsal, either, so we were all just winging it. No music. I ended up singing some of 'Someone Like You' from Jekyll and Hyde, even though I was actually still suffering from laryngitis. My hair was two different shades, too -- auburn and bright red, because the salon screwed up the colour the prior day. This was the result of their 'fixing it' that morning. You can totally see it in pictures.

None of the photos actually came out right. We gave my parents and his mother one which is actually pretty cute. It's my husband and I looking at each other and laughing -- really laughing, like eyes closed laughing; because, no doubt, he'd said something funny.

Lessee ...

I was also The Secondhand Bride. I bought my wedding dress (thank God for that corset bodice, because NO tailoring) sight unseen online for about $130, along with three separate tasteful LBDs for my two bridesmaids and maid of honour. (I had mostly groomsmaids; I have a lot of male friends with whom I go WAY back.) I wore my sister-in-law's shoes (she, and my brother-in-law have since been written out of the will, because they're apparently awful people) with my other sister-in-law's veil, and a good friend of our's garter.

Funny thing about the garter, too.

My husband had caught the garter, and it was still hanging out in his room at home in his mother's house. About six months into our relationship, when we stumbled upon it, he said, 'I guess this means I'm getting married.' I responded, 'Hah! Fat chance.'

Yeah. Ate those words. BUT, it's rather special that I wore her garter, considering it was kinda the 'inciting incident'.

I guess that part's a bit 'faerie-tale'.

To this day, I don't think anyone but my parents, his mother, and a very select few, actually know we were married weeks before the wedding.

And only me, my parents, my husband, and my closest girlfriends know that my ring is, well, fake. Part of it, at least.

I designed it, specifically, about a week before the wedding, in the jewellery shoppe across from the pastry shoppe where we bought the gourmet cupcakes. (Yes, we had cupcakes. They were amazing.) His ring is incredible; hand-everything'd by a fabulous jeweller, perfectly representative of him. It's actual meteorite and yellow gold. He STILL gets compliments on his wedding band. (And should!)

Mine is moissanite. I could not find ANYONE to design a ring in moissanite. The fact that they could ACTUALLY order the moissanite 2 carat marquise was a LOCK.

... But they were ALSO supposed to order -- and replace -- the other surrounding two stones -- which are two little triangles, actually. Brilliant-cut.

I found out, maybe a year later, when I was going to finally get it upgraded, because I figured out the design I wanted -- that the other pieces ARE CUBIC ZIRCONIUM.

Yep.

Fake.

LOOKS gorgeous, though. You oddly can't tell.

I finally decided, last year, I'm going to leave it as is. Only I know the truth -- as well as my husband. And it's the PERFECT representation of our marriage.

It's not at ALL what you think it is. Keep thinking it's perfect, though, and our life is semi-charmed. This is Hollywood, and we're master magicians. That's exactly what we WANT you to think.

Now. If that's not NEPTUNE/VENUS, in ALL its bizarre glory -- I dunno what is!

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posted October 29, 2014 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
Well there will be no marriage during this transit. Even if there is an engagement it's going to be a long one.

Maybe this is going to be the push forward to make the commitment of moving in with him and his kids as the activity level is a little too much for me right now to handle that big of transition?


I'm going with this! H4 Venus. Your going to make a home together then. Maybe u'll buy a house together. Just be sure every thing is clear and detailed and u don't spend more than u can afford. And don't go thinking negative stuff!

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posted October 29, 2014 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm going with this! H4 Venus. Your going to make a home together then. Maybe u'll buy a house together. Just be sure every thing is clear and detailed and u don't spend more than u can afford. And don't go thinking negative stuff!

Oh, God, no, DON'T buy. Rent. Rent, rent, rent. Consider purchasing after the transit. That is unless he already has property. In which case, make sure you have insurance up the wazoo.

Another little fun tidbit about 4H/NEP is flooding. Don't laugh. It happens. Be prepared.

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posted October 29, 2014 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, the aforementioned was brought to you by ... SATURN!

Seriously, though. We all need a little Saturnine reality check every now and then.

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posted October 29, 2014 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How's THAT for VENUS/NEPTUNE? :

How's what for Venus/Neptune?
If you're gonna blame the failure or collapse or whatever you're ranting about on Venus/Neptune then go ahead.

I wouldn't /dare/ try to stop you

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posted October 29, 2014 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by twinflame1914:

This also applies to Squares?
This man is a smitten kitten. He even said last night "I am going to marry you one day". I'm like "the planets say you're gonna cheat on me!". He handled it like a champ


Lol no u didn't? haha, I guess he passed that mini-test.
Squares contain high doses of energy, as mentioned by Lucie and LeeLoo.
But squares in arcs, translate more to energy sources for lack of a better term, since traditionally you don't use trines/sextiles

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posted October 29, 2014 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How's what for Venus/Neptune?
If you're gonna blame the failure or collapse or whatever you're ranting about on Venus/Neptune then go ahead.

I wouldn't /dare/ try to stop you


Actually, I think the trick with VENUS/NEPTUNE is to be prepared for what it is you're missing. Kinda like Mercury Retro. SOMEONE's not telling you everything. SOMETHING's not right. SOMEWHERE things aren't quite clear.

It forces you to bring your A-game and innovate. But you have to pick through a LOT of illusions and get to the nitty-gritty.

Just as my husband asked, upon recounting everything, 'would you have preferred we did it differently?' It's an honest question. And my answer was, no. It gave us the opportunity to come apart (disappointed and blaming each other) or bond together, acting as a force in tandem, which is creating our OWN mystique.

Rather than get lost in Oz, we become the wizards.

Does that make better sense now?

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posted October 29, 2014 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'm not really sure what you mean by lack?

Aubyanne that was an AWESOME story! Thank you for sharing! Sheesh, you make my life look boring!

We both have our own houses. Neither one of us is interested in selling. Even if we moved in I would keep my house

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posted October 29, 2014 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Aubyanne - hey, the photos I took were perfect. :P

But your tailor still sucked. My dress had to be pinned on in new and creative ways, ya know. And I'm still a bit upset my hair clip got taken. e_e

It was a beautiful disaster, but fun overall. It was a great excuse to hang out and mingle, and that's always a good thing.

Somehow, I feel like it's now up to me to have that perfect wedding, though. J's was quaint, but you weren't there, and I was in a mad rush myself - being out-of-state at the time, and all. Hers felt rushed, too. Not to mention her drive-by visit to your wedding reception in the middle of the night. Well, I suppose should my turn ever come around, I'll have to make sure to schedule in dedicated down time to just mingle, catch-up, and relax.

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posted October 29, 2014 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Aubyanne - hey, the photos I took were perfect. :P

But your tailor still sucked. My dress had to be pinned on in new and creative ways, ya know. And I'm still a bit upset my hair clip got taken. e_e

It was a beautiful disaster, but fun overall. It was a great excuse to hang out and mingle, and that's always a good thing.


He actually said that! 'Even the ones at your parents' house?' No, not those. Those were great. YOU made them great.

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posted October 29, 2014 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm not really sure what you mean by lack?

Aubyanne that was an AWESOME story! Thank you for sharing! Sheesh, you make my life look boring!

We both have our own houses. Neither one of us is interested in selling. Even if we moved in I would keep my house


I've had some pretty crazy experiences, that's for sure. And since you're both already homeowners -- oh, wow. Then I vote for beefing up on insurance.

The other fun NEP thing I had was the water main busting in my first Los Angeles apartment. Ohhh, that was NOT fun.

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posted October 29, 2014 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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J's was quaint, but you weren't there, and I was in a mad rush myself - being out-of-state at the time, and all. Hers felt rushed, too. Not to mention her drive-by visit to your wedding reception in the middle of the night. Well, I suppose should my turn ever come around, I'll have to make sure to schedule in dedicated down time to just mingle, catch-up, and relax.

Hang on, you mean The World's Luckiest Sagittarian and her hubs who's working for my mother-in-law -- THAT J? Because I can attest -- with photographic proof -- that despite the monster I was living with, I WAS there. In my junior prom dress, with concealer that made me look like a vampire. I remember this well.

I also made her headpiece.

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posted October 29, 2014 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hang on, you mean The World's Luckiest Sagittarian and her hubs who's working for my mother-in-law -- THAT J? Because I can attest -- with photographic proof -- that despite the monster I was living with, I WAS there. In my junior prom dress, with concealer that made me look like a vampire. I remember this well.

I also made her headpiece.


Really??? I don't remember seeing you there! Like I said, I was in a mad rush - had to get back to GA for work. I was in the background as it was, trying to take pictures, so wasn't really able to enjoy the wedding or the reception.

But yes, that J. Who's been off in mommy-heaven and strangerville ever since.

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posted October 30, 2014 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:

But squares in arcs, translate more to energy sources for lack of a better term, since traditionally you don't use trines/sextiles [/B]


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