posted November 05, 2014 09:53 AM            

In order to keep this thread focused on the study of this subject, I kindly ask that any requests to interpret a chart (in relation to this topic), be posted separately from this thread (ex. "Well our synastry has this what does that mean?"). Simply reference to this thread and perhaps tag someone involved for assistance. However if you need to post a chart as an example to support the explanation of an idea, etc. please do so! As a visual person, I need that sometimes!

These Lunar Branches include but aren't limited to:

- Triple Goddess Lilith and her branches (Black Moon, Dark Moon, Asteroid) // (Lunar Apogee)
- The Nodal Axis (Current and Past Life application)
- Lunar Midpoints (Sun/Moon, Moon/Venus, etc)
- Priapus (Lunar Perigee)
- 4th House Ruler
- Lunar related asteroid dieties: (Thanks Cappy for this list!) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003159.html
- Nodal chart review (Draconic)

- What other counterparts do you see applying here?

This is about interpreting how important the Moon is to synastry interpretation, and thus how vital it is to look at all of her parts to form a deeper understanding of the soul connections of both individuals.

These parts (Lilith, Nodes, Midpoints, etc) would not exist without the Moon. I equate them to being "lunar maidens" or branches of the Moon. You could even offer a Lunar Synastry reading in itself, taking all of these parts into account.

posted November 05, 2014 09:55 AM            

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From LotisWhite:

I tend to think of the Nodal Axis as our personal imbalance. Often we operate too much from the South Node mode of being (especially when young), and need to learn how to operate more within the North Node mode of being, in order to create balance in our life (usually happens when we are older). The South Node is our past, and habitual way of being. The North Node is our future, and the skills and qualities we have not yet learned, and need to master…
The thing is that although we need to learn our North Node, it’s not like we need to completely abandon the South Node in favor of the North Node either, because that creates a totally new imbalance (the reverse of what we were born with). The Idea is that we BALANCE our lives by mastering the challenge of the North Node, while also retaining our natural talent and skills, as shown by the South Node. Conjunctions to either end of the Nodal Axis in synastry can feel profound.

I have some interesting analogies here when comparing some tid bits I’ve learned from both Western and Vedic astrology.

In western astrology, I've heard that the South Node is similar nature to SATURN, because it restricts us and holds us back (Saturn has rings) in the past. Returning to the South Node can be like taking a step back into something that is familiar, comfortable, and confirming. We are in our comfort zone, and not challenged to move outside of it. The South Node is a place where we have experience and wisdom because we've been there and done that before. Eventually this can feel like being stuck in a rut. In synastry conjunctions to the South Node there’s often the sense that we know the person already, like an old friend (or old enemy). An unspoken knowing exists between people with South Node synastry that needs little explaining. Even if we barely know a person who touches our South Node, when we are connecting with them it almost seems as if we are reminiscing about the past, or some shared understanding. Sometimes though, it can feel as if there's not much room to move forward.

In Western astrology the North Node is associated with JUPITER, because it promotes growth and allows us to expand our skill-set, and understanding of life. The North Node is the opposite of our comfort zone. It takes us out of the familiar, and leads us into new avenues of experience. When we embrace our North Node we can be wide-eyed with wonder as we explore this new way of operating in the world. We also become filled with optimism as it feels like we are finally making progress in our life. In synastry conjunctions to the North Node feel as if the other person is teaching you something important, and leading you forward in life. People who connect to our North Node give us hope for the future. They add excitement and growth to our lives, and show us the way to new opportunities.

However…

In Vedic astrology the South Node is associated with MARS. This may sound odd, but here’s why: Mars is considered a champion, who is expert, skilled, and brave in the mode of operation that it uses. From this perspective the South Node shows not only where we are comfortable, it shows an area of life that we have already conquered, and developed a strong skill-set and understanding in. It’s pretty easy for us to be ‘champions’ in area of our South Node because we are well versed in that mode of approaching life, presumably based on our past life experiences. We tend to fall back into the habit patterns of our South Node because here we feel we know what we are doing, and feel at ease. It’s what we’ve already mastered. In synastry conjunctions to the South Node can show how people support us operating in the area where we feel most confident, and how they validate our natural abilities and talents. They don’t challenge us to change, but rather give us a comfortable place to fall back into. When we are around them it’s like we’re in our forte, and we’re able demonstrate the unique expertise/mode of being that we were born with.

Also, in Vedic astrology the North Node is associated with SATURN. That’s right, Saturn is associated with both the North and the South Nodes in the different astrological systems but for different reasons. I can actually see how both fit in terms of providing an analogy. Saturn is the planet of hard work and struggle… And while the North Node does give us the growth, hope, and joy of Jupiter in some ways… It’s also darn hard work learning how to master our North Node. The North Node symbolizes those abilities and qualities that are unfamiliar to us. We may feel that we are not very skilled or developed in the area of our North Node. If the South Node is where we feel like a champion, the North Node is where we feel a little insecure and unschooled. We may even feel rigid and shy in this area because we don’t really know what we are doing (at least not at first). Synastry conjunctions to the North Node show how others are able to show us the way toward our North Node. Just by being around them we may feel we are learning something new. We are likely to receive help from these people, as they are able to teach us by example without even trying. The Saturn part of the North Node would be the hard work and effort it takes to develop skills in an area where we are not well versed. The Jupiter part of the North Node would be the joy and excitement we experience upon the growth we attain as we make breakthroughs towards our North Node.

I can see how both the Vedic and the Western analogies for understanding the Nodal Axis work. These can also give insight into how it feels to have synastry involving this Axis.

Personally, I think I like the North Node a little better then the South Node in synastry, because I like the idea of moving forward. If the South Node is touched in synastry. then I like it if the person also has a planet on my North Node (like the have an opposition in their chart). At least this is what I’d prefer in love relationships. It’s different with family members. The South Node can feel nice, and confirming, but also it can kind of trap you from your growth somehow. People vary though, in how they respond to their Nodes.

Also, I’m thinking in terms of tight orbs here. My South Node is 10 Aries, and my North Node is 10 Libra. I don’t mind planets in late Aries aspecting my planets in late Sagittarius (in fact, I love them, they fall into my 5th house). I can also be attracted to planets on my South Node because they trine my Leo Mars ruling my 5th house. Ultimately though, I feel I need to learn to embrace my Libra North Node more, and that long-term this is the best option.

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posted November 05, 2014 09:57 AM            

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From LeeLoo:

Based on my research, I have a different view. There's something on the SN in synastry and/or comp in soulmate, karmic, lasting, important relationships. In fact, both SN and NN are involved in this kind of relationships:
the SN connection is a soulmate connection; meaning, from the POV of karmic astrology, a relationship with a past; being part of the same soul family, soul group. Sometimes we meet people with short-term synastry, or synastries with a deadline, and a SN connection In this case, the relationship is only a transitory stage in our life, a lesson. The same goes for NN conjunctions in a short-term synastry - a NN conjunction can be as transitory as a SN one - a NN conjunction does not guarantee long-term or a common future; just that the impact, the area of the lesson is different. But if the rest of the synastry is long-term connective, the SN connection is a soulmate indicator. By soulmate I understand someone you walk with on your life path, either as your love or your friend: the stable people in your life, your soul group.

the NN connection between the two connects past with future

EDIT: the thing is, if the synastry is very connective, a conjunction on the SN is a much deeper connection, a soul connection. But long-term couples need a flow from past to future, need both this soul connection and growth, and this is solved by the square of a planet to the nodal axis.

Squares to the nodal axis are common in long term relationships, probably because they connect both ends in a dynamic structure. In fact, the squares to the nodal axis seem to be the most binding/lasting structure when it comes to nodes.

Some examples of nodal connections:

Dali/Gala
Moon conj NN coupled with Moon sq nodal axis
Neptune opp Uranus sq nodal axis
nodal axis reversed and conjunct, OOS
comp Venus conj NN, Saturn on SN

Victoria/David Beckham

Vertex conj NN and DSC
Venus conj SN
Mars sq nodal axis
comp Neptune conj NN

Jennifer Garner/Ben Affleck

NN conj, squared by one's Sun and the other's Moon
Mars conj comp SN

Anne Fuller/Richard Fuller

NN conj
Venus conj SN coupled with Venus sq nodal axis for the other

Meryl Streep,/Don Gummer

SN cnj Vertex
Mercury/Mars conj NN coupled with possibly ASC sq nodal axis on the other side
the classical Saturn sq nodal axis in composite, plus Chiron conj SN, Pluto sq nodal axis

Linda/Paul

NN conj ASC/Neptune
Saturn/Uranus sq nodal axis
Sun/MC sq nodal axis on the other side, and conj Vertex
comp Mars sq nodal axis

Lauren/Bogie

Uranus sq nodal axis
ASC sq nodal axis
comp Merc/Venus conj NN
Moon/Neptune sq nodal axis

Paul Newman/Joanne

crossed NN axis
Sun sq nodal axis on one side
Mercury/Mars conj SN
NN conj IC
comp Jupiter/Uranus sq nodal axis

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posted November 05, 2014 10:00 AM            

Here was my response to both of those posts, and I happily open the floor to everyone after this!

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I agree with both Lotis and Loo - I hope you don't mind me calling you Loo but I love to say Loo in my head. I just imagine calling you Loo and giving you a squeeze when I do it for some reason! lol
I think both can tie together as well, and overall I think you have to examine any moon energies in synastry as the moon is the soul. The Nodal Axis, Lilith, Moon midpoints, I think it should all be taken into consideration for a good in depth research into any kind of partnership. It's manifestations of lunar energy. These points would not exist without the Moon, they're like Moon branches.

Lotis brings up a good point, someone else's personal planet or midpoint touching your SN will bring up "where you have been". Perhaps they draw attention to your SN "where you have been and need to venture from" in this life, but they do so with the planetary energies they bring into the equation. A Jupiter/SN contact will feel different to you than a Mercury/SN contact. To me, the client should realize there is a choice. They can see this planetary/SN contact as an opportunity to revisit something they need to "wrap up" (like an old habit) or could see it as something that strengthens their jumping off point for reaching the NN for balance. If it is a more difficult contact, the client needs to make a choice, see this as an opportunity or a hindrance, personal perspective is the real key here because that is what shapes our reality. This is going to effect us in THIS life but also speaks to past lives.

Loo points out the Karmic aspect as well, which I have also seen play out. Karmic ties, soul groups and families, soul mates, etc they are going to share similar patters in this life and in past lives. So you can interpret it both ways and (IMHO) should. What this planet does in this life, will have past life connections to other lives.

Even Lilith, as a lunar point, should be looked at, especially in a woman's chart. It is all connected to the Moon and can provide a very in-depth understanding of how the instincts and subconscious reactions of one individual effect and play into the relationship as a whole. It's like energy layers of lunar energy to me.

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posted November 05, 2014 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:

These Lunar Branches include but aren't limited to:

- Triple Goddess Lilith and her branches (Black Moon, Dark Moon, Asteroid)
- The Nodal Axis (Current and Past Life application)
- Lunar Midpoints (Sun/Moon, Moon/Venus, etc)
- What other counterparts do you see applying here?

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Personally I would add the lunar perigee to this as well (as we are using the apogee, too).

And after the initial analysis would also check the nodal chart aka Draconic.

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Even though we call this point Priapus with a very masculine name, it is important to remember that he refers to a very lunar symbol, the lunar perigee (Supermoon).

posted November 05, 2014 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Personally I would add the lunar perigee to this as well (as we are using the apogee, too).

And after the initial analysis would also check the nodal chart aka Draconic.

EDIT:
Even though we call this point Priapus with a very masculine name, it is important to remember that he refers to a very lunar symbol, the lunar perigee (Supermoon).

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posted November 05, 2014 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Keep in mind tough that Priapus on astro.com has his counterpart in Lilith (i) (h21 and h22); NOT in the true osculating Lilith h13.
h13 counterpart would be her opposing point.

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So would we be looking at H21/H22 (my assumption is NO on that one), taking the opposing point of H13 (osc Lilith), or the opposing point of Lilith (BML). So many Liliths & points & things! It makes my head spin!

posted November 06, 2014 12:17 AM            

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
Here is a great thread of info on Lilith and Priapus >> http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015692.html

Another great thread on Priapus/BML >> http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/002466.html

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posted November 06, 2014 02:58 AM            

We did quite a lot of work on Lilith-Priapus.

I am inconsistent, I must admit, when i comes to Lilith/Priapus, as I am using the true BML and the natural Priapus.

But as a matter of fact it SHOULD be these pairings:

1) h13 and its exact polarity point

posted November 06, 2014 07:39 AM            

So we do have 2 Priapuses?

posted November 06, 2014 08:26 AM            

Some years ago I read about the calculation and arguments, by the German astrologers, putting the ephemeris out there, and also the reviews of Revilla (?) and from astro.com.

posted November 06, 2014 10:42 AM            

I have Venus 6.20 Virgo and Sun/Moon mdp 2.33 Virgo. True Lilith is at 2.44 Pisces, so Priapus here would be right on the mdp and I suppose, conj Venus. What could this mean?

posted November 06, 2014 10:51 AM            

However H22 Priapus conj my 1H Libra Isis (I'm a late Virgo rising). Hm....

Cerwiden, Loo, Auby, I love all your perspectives. I am always happy over and over when I read a thread and then scroll up to see the poster and I'm like "Oh yeah duh it's them" Happy to include both of those threads!

posted November 06, 2014 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And one of mine.

We did quite a lot of work on Lilith-Priapus.

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