posted December 06, 2014 06:45 PM            

First off, the prenatals.

Synastries

And finally, the composites.

posted December 06, 2014 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
2. Note whether Solar or Lunar, as they have different types of impact upon life direction, and reveal karma from different perspectives.

Solar: life direction, major karma, soul-group imprints, that which we're here to give to humanity or bestow upon our soul-group;
Lunar: the impact of our major karma upon us personally; the emotional level; individual karma, lessons, and objectives to be cleared

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Lunar eclipse,
25 May 1975 05:47:58 total
Solar eclipse,
11 May 1975 07:16:41 partial

So that's what, a couple of degrees into Gemini and something in Taurus or what? No idea how these things work but going by where the sun is around those dates those'd be the degree hits. The lunar eclipse would be near my Mars, but guess I need to read the links and pull a chart or something, in more work and it not being that easy. A chart for my place of birth for the Lunar eclipse date has Moon at 2 Sag opposite Sun within my 5th house. If the solar degree matters even in the Lunar eclipse, they're both likely in my 11th house, although I'd need to check with the May 11th date's Sun degree. 11H from 15 Taurus onward.

I have to say that you're pulling a lot of Hollywood with your "Step right up, folks, get your sideshow/circus/latest show here, yessirree!! (repeat several times)" talk on the other side. Not meant to be mean, but a tiny bit less hoopla and getting to the point quicker can help. (I'm no one to say though with my phrasing no doubt taking ages to get to the point at times.)

Also saying that your own experience of it having been as if having the carpet (or the world?) pulled out from under you does colour your view. Maybe it is a tiny bit less out of this world to some. Or maybe my Alice-ASC has me living in other worlds enough as it is and they're not quite as mindblowing as to some. More likely maybe I haven't fallen (far enough?) down the rabbit hole yet, but you have said that YOU were "straight-laced" before with your beliefs and found the change very extreme in your case.

I don't have past life memories or the sort yet so I lack layers no doubt - but have been nothing but scifi all my life, and dreamt a lot, shrugging or going "Well, that's interesting/Wow" over plenty that'd probably get denied or seen as weird by most people. I have a 12th house Saturn and am square central with an Algol-SN, Tisiphone-Karma, Hiroshima on DC, so it's likely there is baggage or something to deal with somewhere around. I'm interested if you have more info to offer, so will keep reading the info-side, of course.

posted December 06, 2014 07:46 PM            

His side.

Turns out my Eurydike is near the (2.15 Sag Moon, 3 Gem Sun) from the prenatal lunar eclipse date, conjuncting B-chart's Karma here. Discussed the charts already behind the link, but in case things get karmic or other fronts come in, coming in early for safety's sake.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000958.html

His draconic Karma is 17.26 Pisces square his nNodes, to match my natal pattern. Drac Saturn 14.31 Pisces.

EDIT:

My prenatal Lunar eclipse, the closest one. Provided you get the chart by using your location& the time given for the eclipses.

Or that bit where we get why I possibly have a lot of synastry hits to 16 Cancer and around 19 Leo despite seemingly having little there in the natal chart?

Also where Isis is on my Eris-Arabia-Prometheus etc. and contrascia to my natal Osiris.

My prenatal solar eclipse:

posted December 07, 2014 07:18 PM            

For me it has been a complete 180º. While I've grown up around all manner of the bizarre, supernatural, paranormal, and just plain inexplicable, I likely chose the scientific route to deal with it all; becoming a debunker, discovering every possible way to explain anything perfectly rationally.

And it's all failed me. Proved woefully inadequate.

Of course, that won't be everyone's experience, but it might be for some. Between my Twin in 2012, and my Guardian since 2010, but especially 2013, I was having a complete breakdown. After the eclipse (23 October), it's as if every fibre of my being was shouting, 'No more! I can't take ANY MORE!' Everything he said. Everything he did. I couldn't accept it. NO. WAY.

Intellectually, it might even seem thrilling; some bizarre relationship across space and time. First appearing in a novel you wrote at 19. (Saros cycle, anyone?) Who wouldn't be down with that? (Even if he killed you. Minor setback.) It was a strange, private fixture of my life. A concept that, sequel by sequel, installment after installment, incarnation after incarnation, I came to 'know' better. Almost like it were intentional. Part of a greater plan. So I'd come to understand him. Even relate to him.

... Forgive him?

You may be far more open-minded than I've been, Keela, but that's a LOT to take. That's a lot to live. First, your whole concept of reality has to become more akin to what you theorised it was. Then you get to feel crazy. Then you get to feel even more isolated. Confused. You've got to find your own way. Rely entirely upon yourself. There's no emotional support. There are no 'support groups' for this.

'Dear Abby,

So, I think a man with whom I'm in a relationship, who, by all rights, is absolutely amazing, might be the same character of which I conceived when I was nineteen. Who killed me. For ... some reason. Oh, and I've been losing time recently, too. Any advice?'

No agony aunt in their right mind would respond with anything but, 'have you received a diagnosis for schizophrenia recently?' I know, being in the field of mental health. So, it's one thing to advertise my complete state of bewilderment, and another thing to just live with it privately.

posted December 07, 2014 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
I have a 12th house Saturn and am square central with an Algol-SN, Tisiphone-Karma ...

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posted December 07, 2014 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by loffra180:
So, these are between myself and an ex of mine, thought I would contribute.

First off, the prenatals.

Synastries

And finally, the composites.

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posted December 07, 2014 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Pretty Theft:
Can we talk about the asteroids being used here? I am just not familiar with them and I am hesitant to assign further meaning to bodies that don't relate in some direct way to more widely discussed synastry. Why aren't Vesta, Ceres, Juno, Chiron and Pallas being paid more attention to in these threads?

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Pretty Theft,

Those of us who use asteroids tend to start with 'The Big 5' and then expand from there, depending upon what we're looking for.

For example, my CHIRON is square my NODES natally; the 'skipped step'. So I'd want to know what's around it, and see if anything's hitting it in synastry. Certain programmes and ephemerides can provide degree specific placements, as there are just so many asteroids.

I also investigated particular themes which I felt were germane to certain synastries, my own natal, transits, progressions, and so on. You've obviously got to narrow the scope when you're dealing with something that's literally in the thousands (nearly 12,000 so far) in number.

The good news, of there being SO many of them, is that it's damned near like Apple's iOS campaign, 'there's an app for that.' In many, many cases, 'there's an asteroid for that.' So we're often able to target our research in very, very specific ways.

If you've got a particular interest, obsession, or feel a connexion to something -- be it a person -- historical, fictional, even living -- or a place, idea, or a certain mythology -- there's a high likelihood there's an asteroid representing its concept or origin. Try it out!

A lot of us here using asteroids have found particular patterns in our synastries or configurations in our natals, and feel that these themes are a part of our karma or 'multiversal' experience.

Some of us still use The Big 5 rather religiously. For me, it depends. I already know their locations, and whether they're configuring in certain synastries or not. Then it's about prioritising. There's only so much space in that field at the bottom of the page.

You may find that they're most influential in your natal, synastries, and PEs, too. Or you may find that other asteroids relay more information for you and prove more useful.

posted December 08, 2014 02:59 AM            

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Originally posted by loffra180:
The reason I chose what asteroids I did is because well...they are important asteroids for me or are ones that I have been interested at looking at lately and they seem to apply in the synastry with my ex. They also apply to the particular kind of karma I am currently looking at.

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Exactly. After awhile, we get pretty adept at what matters. For example, there's not a whole lot in my life in which 'the spirit of Tisiphone' (and anything Carrollian) hasn't touched. And so all-things-Alice (291) which includes MADHATTER (6735) and LEWISCARROLL (6984) are staples; along with TISIPHONE (466) and, once I found her involvement, PREY (6157) aaaand HADES (the Uranian / Transneptunian hypothetical planet, identified by h41 in the Astrodient catalogue).

posted December 08, 2014 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Hang on; ALGOL-SNODE. Curious; there's a current TISIPHONE-KARMA in the sky, you know. It's inching into the latter degrees of CAPRICORN. Will it trine your SNODE-ALGOL? Further, how does the upcoming conjunction (early January) aspect it?

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I have Tisiphone-Karma natally square the nodes and that Alekto-Algol-SN as said before, and Saturn at 27 Cancer... but I don't know if the Tisi-Karma conjunction will trine Algol (always 25-26 Taurus) or oppose the Saturn. I'll have to check.

AAH though at Megaira from 9 Cancer suddenly or finally having something it's connected to as well. The prenatal ASC contacts that, whatever that'd mean again. Before there was the contrascia by 1 to Vertex at most?

Prenatal Lunar eclipse, the one that matters/is closer, has Megaira on the SN at 0.32 Gemini. Tisiphone's 26.13 Cancer (near natal Saturn). Alekto 6.47 Taurus, square natal ASC-DC and 1 opposite nNemesis.

8th Jan thrown in has Karma at 0 Aqua and Tisiphone 25 Capricorn, Nessus 28.49 Aqua opposite my Sun.

Jan 2 midnight start Tisiphone's 23.20 Cap and Karma at 27 Capricorn so not as closely conjunct as thought they might be from your words. Do they hit closer at any stage? Don't want to check every day off Astro. Still at 24.0 and 28.5 Cap only even on the fifth.

Mercury's also 25.14 Cap on the second, Venus 27.58 Cap. Saturn 0.58 Sag square my Moon.

No idea what any of it would do even if hitting my chart, but I guess we'd see then.

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Basically, the main transit aspect that ever threw anything tangible at me "IRL" was a retrograde Mars squaring my Phaethon (+Atropos? Opposite Destinn-Hazard). For no reason at all I suddenly started veering/falling to the left when on my bike and had a crash with the ground, for no reason whatsoever. I was heading straight forward, not speeding, nothing caught between the wheels, no reason at all for me to suddenly just start keeling over. All I could figure was that "RETRO MARS square Phaethon = NO" at least to me.

I also busted my knee there in a way that lasted until recently, although there's another weird tale of "reality" with that IF you look at other things around that. The weekend before falling/veering over on the bike and busting the knee I'd met someone I reconnected with only this summer, only for it to suddenly seem as if the knee was fine after that now. Or the sore spot on it to no longer be found unlike all the eleven years before the reconnect. I have no idea if they are in any way connected, but "Meet person briefly but have no contact, knee goes dodgy; reconnect with person, knee is suddenly no longer dodgy" is the timeline in any case.

posted December 08, 2014 04:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
For me it has been a complete 180º. While I've grown up around all manner of the bizarre, supernatural, paranormal, and just plain inexplicable, I likely chose the scientific route to deal with it all; becoming a debunker, discovering every possible way to explain anything perfectly rationally.

Of course, that won't be everyone's experience, but it might be for some. Between ... I was having a complete breakdown.

You may be far more open-minded than I've been, Keela, but that's a LOT to take. ... You've got to find your own way. Rely entirely upon yourself. There's no emotional support. There are no 'support groups' for this.

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I know you've said it changed your approach to things. I just never had any specific need to debunk, the world fitting more things in it than science had figured out as far as I was concerned. To each their own? If it didn't harm me or whoever to believe something was real or true, I saw no particular harm in whoever having beliefs of whatever sorts. Unless beliefs make someone an insufferable zealot or a bigot or something otherwise unfortunate, live and let live?

I don't know if someone's experience of something is some Be All End All TRUTH or not. There are people who apparently have the ability to see more colours than most people. Synaesthetes mix senses, but the other thing is biological or genetic "extra sense/s" stuff, and yet if we don't have the difference in our eye that allows us to see the extra, we're likely to call whoever a liar if trying to tell us about this fantastic new colour or tone they clearly see but we don't have any clue of.

If it doesn't harm and/or there is no practical difference to your life whatever the case with the beliefs, I guess it doesn't matter in the end. Or matter to the practical, this-level, "here and now in this body and life" style stuff. And this when I have the worst time ever "believing" in homeopathy, something about that grating me wrong even when energy healing mostly just gets a shrug or thumbs up style general encouragement from me. Everybody has "Things That Are WRONG" that grate their own sense of the world or how it is or works.

Welcome to believing in any case. There's room for most things on that side. Wish the journey over was as non-traumatic as possible to everyone. It seems a bit of a pity about resolute atheist sorts missing out on a lot, although of course in more recent years even this world "alone" has seemed more beautiful or plentiful enough to me, in many ways, to do even without more spiritual things, but since I am open to a belief-based world it's as if people cut a lot out of their lives if living entirely without the vaster dimensions possible. Whichever one you'd choose to pick. Some choose none, and again it's their pick so presumably something they want or like or even feel comfortable with, but it would still seem nice to give them "more", too.

If that's open-minded, I guess it is. I think a lot of the first off "support groups" would be some literature out there, and you at least had something to touch base with or some background, but I can imagine it'd be harder still if coming from an entirely strictly (limiting) religious backgrounds and having to deal with the world suddenly throwing more at you.

Maybe I am lucky with the leeway in whatever I'll shrug or laugh over (in disbelief), maybe I haven't had something mindblowing enough happen yet as said. I just don't mind the belief that you'd have lived with or would be living with whoever else in your life "somewhere" else as well, and that someone might be your primary partner and others ones you maybe love dearly as well but don't opt for as often or the same way maybe.

To me it's already fun and fascinating enough that I can look at an actor's career from age nineteen to 59 and see all the different roles and/or faces they've had and end up as if comprehending them as a uniquely four-dimensional person or a soul, if you will. That I can have their twenties self to their nearly in sixties self start to "turn" into the same person or for all that to get encompassed and be there at the same "time", since it's who and how they are, and our having the privilege of getting to see more of that than we would with other strangers, or even people we meet at one specific point in time only.

posted December 09, 2014 01:52 AM            

This might sound like I heard it in a movie or something, but I am totally serious. You have to go with time, not against it. More time doesn't improve the quality of time. So go with it...if that's what you meant about losing time. Where time is concerned we are at a loss, so embrace losing it, and all is not lost- LOL

posted December 09, 2014 02:35 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Keela,

From someone who is illiterate and can only appreciate the art and not the science (yet) your charts are absolutely beautiful.

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posted December 09, 2014 05:38 AM            

Regular synastry

I think what the synastry is telling, is that there are close links that suggest a common past between us. When we met, it was a sudden recognition, on both parts. We bonded instantly, friendship is what we have. But we are close and there is a great bit of telepathy and synchronicities between us. His ASC/DSC exactly conjuncts my nodal axis, and my MC/IC/BML also conjuncts his nodal axis. I also count his Moon to my NN (~4 degrees), because it is what it feels like, from the first meeting. His Saturn throws in his ugly head by squaring my Moon. I get what i deserved in that past life. I was married to him till the end, but i wasn't in love with him. I receive the paybacks now. But what is the most important here, in my opinion, is all that Uranus. This is THE theme in every one of our charts. We met while transit Uranus was conjunct his natal Sun and squared my natal Uranus. The square between his Sun and my Uranus is the closest aspect in our chart - 0.01 second. Sun is his chart ruler. His Uranus in turn squares exactly my ASC/DSC axis. And makes a patter of a diamond with my Mars, Venus, Moon and his own Venus. He is very protective of me. Our friends joke that he has a father syndrome with me.

Draconic synastry

Not so much in draconic synastry per se. However, pretty much in terms of draconic - natal. For example, again Uranus theme is emphasized. His draconic Venus exactly conjuncts my natal Uranus, AND my draconic Venus conjuncts his natal Uranus as well, but a bit wider. His own draconic Uranus conjuncts my draconic Jupiter and this conjunction exactly opposes his natal Sun and squares my natal Uranus/his draconic Venus. My draconic Saturn conjuncts his natal Venus exact. My draconic Venus conjuncts his natal SN exact. I think these connections really show that there is pretty much of ongoing karma still. My draconic Pluto, for example, conjuncts our natal his Jupiter/my Neptune conjunction AND our composite Sun, AND current transit Pluto.

Regular composite

posted December 11, 2014 05:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Selene,

How did all of this help you, in terms of either moving forward, or gaining closure, in regards to your relationship?

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posted December 13, 2014 07:37 PM            

I selected soulmate asteroids because I had the idea that my man and I are ONE soul (not twin flame though). I have explained why I think this is the case in the main Karma thread. Asteorid Musa is a very special one for us. He is in filming industry and as soon as we met, he called me his muse because I inspire him and brings out his creativity so much!

I have reduced orbs down to 40% in all charts. So here we go!

Regular synastry:

We are born within 10 months of each other so outer planets are in conjunction. However, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto seem to be part of other aspects in all the charts. Mercury is also prominent - we both have our Suns in 3H.

PSE Synastry:

PLE Synastry:

His PLE with my natal:

His Natal and My PSE:

Before meeting my man, I was casually seeing another man (also Scorpio sun), who's birthday was one week before my PLE. I posted two synastries side by side - it's amazing to see that I have more karmic connection with my man (his birthday is also close to my PLE however, it was a year later)

Comparison (synastry with my man on the left; with another guy on the right):