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Aubyanne
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posted December 06, 2014 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it was inevitable. Eventually, once tSATURN stopped wreaking havoc with her 3H nMERC, Auby was going to get around to writing that karmic series she's clearly been researching since 2012. And, as tTISIPHONE and tKARMA hang out in the sky, approaching my nALICE for direct hits starting on 26 December 2014, and moving out of orb 3 January 2015 -- now seems like the time. Sirening (vocalising and warm up exercises) to a lovely piano rendition of the Floyd's 'Comfortably Numb', I'm realising that, for over a decade, it conjured 'memories' of someone I'd never met -- had only been introduced to by my imagination, at the age of 19. But since 2010, it evokes actual memories of my Guardian. My partner. My costar.

Evidently, the man with whom I have so much karma, on our way to leaving the third-dimensional realm, we've got to clear it. End a cycle of violence that's raged on, for God only knows how long, across multiple timelines, eigenstates, lifetimes -- however you measure time. And, by doing so, create something wonderful to share with the world: part karmic thriller, part love story, and entirely derived, it would appear, from our 'karmic' history. (Or, multidimensional / multiversal existence -- however you roll on the 'understanding the universe' front. These days, I'm becoming a big believer in the multiverse.)

It's been a helluva journey. I wouldn't have even reached this point without astrology. It was, after all, discovering something in synastry which led to that life-changing moment, where everything slows, and you begin deeply reconsidering everything you thought you knew. (Oh, tSATURN. You're such a scamp.)

By now, I'm sure I'm at least partially known as 'that chick with all the TISIPHONE connexions in her synastry' or, 'the one who keeps ranting about the SATURN/8H overlay.' But I assure you, they've all proved crucial elements of the process. A process which, now, I feel as if I'm FINALLY ready to begin unveiling to you.

So, who's up for a trip through their karmic past?

Who thinks they might be ready to take the journey? Who's willing to be amazed, surprised, possibly even a bit horrified, but left completely in awe and changed forever?

If so ... all aboard for the most magical mystery tour you've ever imagined. And the best thing of all: it's all yours. It's all happening right now and it's all here for you to learn, grow, and heal.

Ready? I mean it; are you really, really ready? Because I certainly wasn't! Be prepared to discover things that are unsettling, confusing, and altogether, reality-altering in ways you may have considered on an intellectual level -- but until you live them, you can't honestly say you know what you're in for.

So if you're not of the faint of heart; if you've nerves of steel, or just an insatiable curiosity -- follow me down the rabbit-hole, into the depths of Hades; across the Styx into the furthest reaches of your own soul.

Okay?

Allons-y! Time to show you what my NESSUS-SCHRODINGER can really do.

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posted December 06, 2014 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ciadow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what exactly are you researching or would like from us, sounds interesting....

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posted December 06, 2014 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Choc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sooo, what exactly are you asking for?

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Aubyanne
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posted December 06, 2014 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everything. And I mean -- everything. How the tropical, sidereal, Draco all interact; what the hidden story of our Huber degrees, dwads, and Antisicia reveal, how the Sabians combine to fill in many details, and everything we've got available to us -- calculated points, midpoints, asteroids, Uranians / TNPs, Arabic Parts -- are all here to give us everything we could possibly need to understand. And it's a beautiful thing. A genuine gift from the Universe, to those who are committed to learning its language.

And we're going to start at, what I now realise IS the true beginning.

The Prenatal Eclipses, or PNE. Solar and Lunar, as they both have HUGE revelations just waiting to unfold in the story of our karmic history / soul's journey.

I'm pretty psyched.

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posted December 06, 2014 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All I ask? That you genuinely prepare to be amazed. This is a ball that, once rolling, WILL reveal answers to you. CLEAR answers. It won't be vague. It won't beat around the bush. It'll be front-and-centre, if you're here to clear it.

You'll learn about your most prevalent incarnations; what you're doing elsewhere. You'll discover how it's affecting your life here. You may have to switch priorities. You might start therapy. You may discover that someone from your past is supposed to be a part of your future. LONG since held beliefs may change. Things that were foggy, confusing, and unsettling will likely become even MORE so, as the smoke clears.

But you'll have answers. You'll have a direction, and, I can show you slowly, methodically, have to approach unravelling a VERY complicated web, indeed.

I'm not saying these things WILL happen, but some of us have some rather fierce skeletons in our karmic (and cosmic) closets. Just be ready to clear them.

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posted December 06, 2014 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ikja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forgive me for being slow...
Do you want us to post charts? Or, are you going to write an article which explain specific aspects which will blow our minds? Lol

I'm very intrigued!

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posted December 06, 2014 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THE PRENATAL ECLIPSES

It all starts with the Prenatal Eclipse, or the PNE. There are some fabulous resources, here on LL, as well as across the web, to help you understand what these are, why they're so crucial, and how to locate them.

A few which really shed some light for me, and are a great place to start:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203046.html (start with this one; it has some excellent links)
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000131.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203146.html
http://janetsplan-its.com/study/Eclipses.shtml

For those who'd like a quick n' dirty overview ...

1. Find yours here.

2. Note whether Solar or Lunar, as they have different types of impact upon life direction, and reveal karma from different perspectives.

For those for whom the PNE is an entirely new subject, take a little time to study the above links, and any others which may appeal. We all learn at our own speed, and this is the gate to the beginning of the long road ahead.

The Key Planets of the PNEs --

Solar: life direction, major karma, soul-group imprints, that which we're here to give to humanity or bestow upon our soul-group;
Lunar: the impact of our major karma upon us personally; the emotional level; individual karma, lessons, and objectives to be cleared

-- are the key to this gate. The start of the journey.

Once you've gotten your feet wet, and you're ready to start delving into all this chart can tell you, come on back. We'll take it step-by-step in the following installment.

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posted December 06, 2014 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ikja:
Forgive me for being slow...
Do you want us to post charts? Or, are you going to write an article which explain specific aspects which will blow our minds? Lol

I'm very intrigued!


No worries, ikja. I'm beginning a series of mini-lecture / articles which will help us with independent research into our own synastries (and natals, in relationship to these synastries, and our own individual karma).

I'll create a new thread for posting the charts. That way we can keep things more organised, as I intend this to be a long one.

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posted December 06, 2014 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gah. Posted on the wrong side despite everything. Edit.

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posted December 06, 2014 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for loffra180     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm excited for this, already have charts up on the chart thread, and I'm raring to go. Let's do this thing!

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posted December 06, 2014 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for midnightvenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are we supposed to check the date and make a Synastry of it with our Natals? I'm not sure I'm getting it!

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Aubyanne
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posted December 06, 2014 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
Are we supposed to check the date and make a Synastry of it with our Natals? I'm not sure I'm getting it!

midnightvenus,

Take the date of your PSE (solar) and PLE (lunar) and study it like a natal chart. In a way, it's the natal chart of the moment your soul anchored into being, and prepared for incarnation.

Personally, I don't believe in past lives as much as I do concurrent eigenstates across the multiverse. (Because, science!) For me, this chart (whether the solar or lunar) shows our most outstanding obligations and things we've got unresolved or in a mess elsewhere.

For me, it's a cycle of violence -- which is clearly indicated in both my PLE, PSE, and how they interact with my natal.

But the most pressing concerns, that which dominates your soul's agenda, are going to be front-and-centre in the eclipse charts. That's why it's best to read them like a natal of the soul -- similar to the Draco, but with a focus on here and now. This incarnation. This eigenstate. This 'lifetime'. For me, it gives great clues as to what's going on elsewhere that can find resolution here.

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posted December 06, 2014 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by loffra180:
I'm excited for this, already have charts up on the chart thread, and I'm raring to go. Let's do this thing!

How do you feel about our exploring the chart so far? Does it seem like SATURN, LUCIFER, NYX, and HEKATE could be directly related to any outstanding 'karma' you're trying to resolve?

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posted December 06, 2014 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Keela:
Gah. Posted on the wrong side despite everything. Edit.

It happens. Glad to see you on the bandwagon, Keela!

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posted December 06, 2014 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for loffra180     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

How do you feel about our exploring the chart so far? Does it seem like SATURN, LUCIFER, NYX, and HEKATE could be directly related to any outstanding 'karma' you're trying to resolve?


Yes, especially considering NYX is conjunct my N Node in my natal, as is SATURN. As for LUCIFER and HEKATE, they are both conjunct my MC, which isn't karma related but it points to the fact that they are important in this life.

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posted December 06, 2014 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SOUTHBOUND OR GOING NORTH?

The PE charts will be deliberately oriented in a 'northerly' or 'southern' direction.

The SUN holds the key to how your identity is shaping up in the present, and how much of your life could be dedicated to your soul's evolution, clearing karma, or both.

I've recently become very cosy with my SOUTH NODE, otherwise known as 'the descending lunar node', or 'South Node of the Moon'. While I never ignored it outright, it seemed rather apart from everything else. My NORTH NODE is at least sharing space with my VENUS in the 12H, and only two signs away from a dominant stellium. But the SNODE? Quite the singleton in the 6H -- a house which, I admit, always seemed rather humdrum to me. At least the 12H could be about insane asylums, or self-undoing, or deep, impacting sorrow, and unresolved karma. It's at the very least exciting. But the 6H -- our daily life, routine, service -- was just no match for the 12H in the attention-getting department.

But in the same 48 hours, I would both realise how my SNODE in the 6H is the daily, routine practise of clearing, or otherwise dealing with, karma. Whereas my 12H NNODE was a glaring neon sign letting me know that my soul's evolution depends on it. (Wow. No pressure there.)

It's really no surprise than that the prenatal eclipses, with their remarkable ability to present a blueprint of our soul's karmic agenda to us, are so aligned with the NODES. Indeed, they are an axis, and one cannot be considered without the other. For me, it was an equally familiar experience to see how my PSE (the prenatal solar eclipse) is huddled around my natal NNODE. And I do mean exactly.

My PSE SUN and MOON are 2º conjunct its NNODE, and a mere 0º08 from my natal NNODE.

Wow! If ever I was seeking a confirmation for my 12H NNODE, this was a giant rubber-stamp from the Universe. My PSE has essentially declared that it's the magnification of my NODAL axis, and all things related to that axis are absolutely crucial. Priority One.

Funny thing is, that's unbelievably true, in my case. The more I became familiar with my tropical NODAL axis, the more it felt like a bizarrely complete portrait of me: my personality, private struggles, greatest objectives and dreams, talents, shortcomings, and even what matters most to me. I began to wonder if I was missing something; why on earth would something that I share with most everyone from my birth year be so 'uniquely' descriptive of me? It's not as if I even really have anything (well, unless you count OSIRIS, and, perhaps, LOGOS) along the axis. Discovering my CHIRON's relationship (square) to it was a HUGE step in the right direction, in regards to getting where I am today, but I couldn't shake how my NODES are just, so me.

Now, however, it makes perfect sense. My soul chose this 'NNODE-heavy' eclipse in order to give me a leg up in regards to satisfying my soul's agenda. Nice!

And, if you've been keeping up with the many posts I've made over the past year, you already know -- I need all the help in this area I can get!

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posted December 06, 2014 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pretty Theft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is great! I'm still not quite sure what's going on, but it seems exciting! Thanks for this, Aubyanne.

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posted December 06, 2014 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by loffra180:
Yes, especially considering NYX is conjunct my N Node in my natal, as is SATURN. As for LUCIFER and HEKATE, they are both conjunct my MC, which isn't karma related but it points to the fact that they are important in this life.

But isn't LUCIFER conjunct the MOON in the PLE?

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posted December 06, 2014 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for loffra180     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
But isn't LUCIFER conjunct the MOON in the PLE?

Good point, that chart is still new in my head, I don't quite have the placements down, so yes it is karmic I guess. As the HEKATE would be, but widely, since in the PLE it is at 12 Leo.

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posted December 06, 2014 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Pretty Theft:
This is great! I'm still not quite sure what's going on, but it seems exciting! Thanks for this, Aubyanne.

Heh. It is exciting, that's for sure.

Have you located your prenatal eclipses, Pretty Theft? They're so illuminating.

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posted December 07, 2014 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
For me, it was an equally familiar experience to see how my PSE (the prenatal solar eclipse) is huddled around my natal NNODE. And I do mean exactly.

Now, however, it makes perfect sense. My soul chose this 'NNODE-heavy' eclipse in order to give me a leg up in regards to satisfying my soul's agenda. Nice!


Actually, there was some site which pretty much straight off pointed out that eclipses tended to happen around either the NN or SN, depending on whether it was the solar or lunar one. I forget which way it was said to go, but nothing _particularly_ special about a chart focusing around the Nodes. Other than where it's potentially the special thing for everyone, but you get the point.

My eclipse NN is some 4 degrees from my natal one since there is a bit of time between August and May, but nevertheless they group around the nodes as charts one way or another. May show a "soul path", sure, but other than it being "special/chosen" for and by everyone, no more (or less) that for you either. Unless you meant the exactness to your natal node.

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posted December 07, 2014 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aubyanne,

how would you go about it in a systematic way?

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posted December 07, 2014 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
5 days before my birthday there was a partial solar ecclipse on 21° Sagittarius.
(DESC of that chart conjuncts my n Venus and n Isis by one degree, and is on the same degree as my n Osiris. I mention this cause I was dreaming of Egypt last night, curiously, it is hazy and vague, but I was asking for/ searching the "big pyramid", which I think might have been the Cheops pyramid, and for some reason there was a connection to Ireland/ cornwall (?) ).

The solar ecclipse is oriented towards the NN (though too far for a conjunction, 11 degrees)

my prenatal lunar one was total.
3 weeks before my birth, on 29th november.

it took place on 7°01 Gemini - Sagittarius, Precisely on my n DESC on 7°01 Gemini.

The ASC of that chart was on 4°49 Gemini, which puts the DES of that chart on my n Mars-Ireland-conjunction in the 12th house.
In fact the ple Moon is near the SN, while the ple Sun is near the NN.


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mr SAg:

he was having the lunar total ecclipse preceding his birth (while for me it was the solar ecclipse that was closest to my birth)

on 13° Virgo (Sun) - Pisces (Moon)
with Venus-Saturn on 16° Virgo being nearby


Sun near NN, Moon near SN.


ASC of that chart on 17° Scorpio conjunct Uranus on 17° Scorpio exact (and obviously conjunct his n Valentine on 19 Scorpio)

Then there was a solar appulse ecclipse before that taking place on 29°00 Leo exact - Regulus, colour me shocked. An actor with a pse on Regulus. No not really all that shocked.

It is conjunct his natal BML exact (and opposing mine and his natal Priapus), also conjunct his n NN by 3 degrees.


this ecclipse was also conjunct Venus (in the ecclipse chart) on 28 Leo.


The ASC falling onto 24 Capricorn, and hence conjunct his n Venus by one degree.

Hmm interesting.

so his solar ecclipse ASC is conjunct his n Venus

my solar ecclipse DESC conjunct my n Venus.


There does not seem to be an extremely interconnection though.

however his le ASC/ n Venus is conjunct both our LINKS and his Interkosmos I believe, and conjunct my AVX at 3 degrees (a tad wide i know).


my se DESC / n Venus is opposing his Atropos and conjunct his Arthur widely (on my Guinevere-Spirit), funny enough my Arthur is widely conjunct his le ASC/ n Venus as well (but much too wide to be considered by me, about 4 degrees).

his se ASC has its antiscion on 5 Sagittarius,r ight on my n Mars- Ireland (his Ireland is there as well) and of course on th DESC of my le (his progressed ASC is currently applying to there).


my se DESC has its antiscion on 22 Sag, on the ecclipse itself in my chart. Nothing too important in his chart,w ell except his chartruler Neptune on 20 Sagittarius.


In fact his chartruler is conjunct my solar ecclipse (20 and 21 Sag)
my chartruler is conjunct/ opposite his lunar ecclipse (11 and 13 Pisces) - my chartuler is oriented towards the Moon-part of the ecclipse.

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posted December 07, 2014 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to join you, once I get an exam out of the way . This does sound exciting!

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posted December 07, 2014 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Keela:
Actually, there was some site which pretty much straight off pointed out that eclipses tended to happen around either the NN or SN, depending on whether it was the solar or lunar one.

I know that, silly. But it's the fact it's NNODE-centric in my case that was the a-HA! moment. And the exactitude. That was a bit flooring.

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