posted March 13, 2015 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
(Auby)

So, wait -- you're Eros and he's Psyche, right ? And according to you, what's left to do in the story is Mercury's help to make Psyche immortal (in human terms, help him awaken ... ?) in order for you both to unite, correct ?

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posted March 13, 2015 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
If that's it, remember how your MERCURY/ UNION was opposite the Karma Formula (Vertex + South Node - Karma) by 0 degrees ? ... (Yours was at 13º TAU 47'.) Additionally, if the KM is not valid, your MERCURY/UNION are still widely square your NODES. But, why ? Does that mean it's your karma, your job to impersonate Mercury in Cupid and Psyche's tale, as well as Cupid/Eros himself, or is it just that the missing piece here is Mercury (whoever that might be) and your union ? ...

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posted March 14, 2015 05:46 AM            

Much earlier this evening, I was somewhat flabbergasted plugging his CUPIDO (763) back in, as I'd rather forgotten its location over time, opting for EROS and AMOR instead.

Here's the stellium:

15°TAU'07 | CUPIDO
16°TAU'49 | HADES
17°TAU'48 | TISIPHONE

and, of course:

17°TAU'06 | CHIRON

Now, I'm having to reflect -- deeply -- upon this discovery, as I've been failing to find anything remotely close to my CHIRON skipped-step besides TISIPHONE/HADES, and yet, as of Wednesday, I knew I was missing something. And it COULD be VERY clarifying of the skipped-step we share relating directly to my Chironic wound.

But what IS the story with CUPIDO? Skipped steps are things we failed to do; mistakes we made; lost opportunities. The fact that someone 'failed' to 'lead someone on' or 'play them' is simply a good thing, and hardly something outstanding.

So what's the deal with CUPIDO?

posted March 14, 2015 07:39 AM              

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Oh, who would feel it with Valentine, Eros and Venus ?

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Good question.

I`d prefer to find a natal conjunction of AMBROSIA and VALENTINE/EROS/VENUS/AMOR/CUPIDO (or whatever love asteroids you are fond of), highlighting the possibility in one`s soul to be "drunk with love", and if someone elses personal planets and or angles aspected that strongly, thsi person might become a trigger to that feeling.

relating that theory back to my own chart, my AMBROSIA (in Gemini in 6th house) is opposing my AMOR (in Sag in 12th house).
orb: 0°28

NOw it is not a conjunction, but an opposition. Still it is an important axis, there is the indication of potentially be "drunk with - unconditional- love and caring", but it probably needs a little more awareness than the conjunction, that seems to just "happen".

Interestingly enough HIS nodal axis is squaring this by 1°13 and 0°45, so rather tightly. PRIAPUS sits on his SN and of course squares this as well (1°51 and 1°21)
and in fact his EROS/PSYCHE-mp (1°47 Pisces) sits on his SN as well, being squared by my AMBROSIA-AMOR-axis (0°48 and 0°21), and of course that means his Eros/Psyche-mp and my Ambrosia/Amor-mp occupy the same axis (I wouldn`t consider my Ambrosia/Amor-mp, I just do because they are opposite each other in my chart).

his Eros/Psyche 1°47 Pisces
my Ambrosia/Amor 2°22 Virgo
his NN 1°22 Virgo (his mean one is 2°33 Virgo)

What follows from that is that apparently we are dealing with a skipped step here! Whatever that means. lol
And interestingly enough my Ambrosia-Amor seems to be more tilted to his NORTH Node instead of the South node.

Maybe he simply crystallizes or focuses my awareness of this axis in my chart with his nodes. I don´t know.

But what I DO know is that our first meeting chart very strongly vibrated with these degrees in mutable signs.

First meeting chart
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Sun 2°09 Gemini
PRIAPUS 3°34 Gemini
SAPPHO 3°44 Gemini

Saturn 2°01 Virgo

And these complete a mystical triangle with

Moon 1°56 Cap
Pluto 00°32 Cap

Anyway I think what it did was bringing out the Ambrosia-Amor in me, cause it was happening in MY natal and hence I do have a certain disposition for that kind of affection I suppose (btw my helio Angel is on 2 Sag as well. lol)

posted March 14, 2015 08:05 AM              

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Originally posted by Peluches:

Coming back to your story, Auby, wouldn't it be better to stick with Cupid -- CUPIDO (763) or CUPID (h40) -- as Psyche's soulmate if we're using the Roman names ?

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That is what I always say! Do not forget Cupido! After all the story is named "CUPID and PSYCHE", sometimes Cupid is exchanged for Amor, but rarely, and never for Eros.

Nevertheless, ERos and PSyche still makes sense, as Psyche really is the Greek name for "soul" or actually "butterfly" but thta is the same as soul, the letter PSI. (looks a bit like Neptune`s tri-whateverit`s called).

But still, personally I find Cupido to be undervalued.

posted March 14, 2015 08:07 AM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

What did we fail to do in that regards? What's the skipped step?

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Following your desire aned love, albeit possibly a little more playful.

Oh my ROFL

Just writing that and the man in the radio sings: "The veil rips open", so I guess I was right about that. lol

EDIT
Cupido has never been about playing someone or leading someone on. No clue where that misconception came about.Maybe because he is the more playful one of the triad. But being playful certainly does not equate with being deceitful.

EDIT 2
Oh I think I get it now, the playing-someone- is the darkest shade of Cupido, but that isreally just the negative manifestation of him.

posted March 14, 2015 08:19 AM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Here's the stellium:

15°TAU'07 | CUPIDO
16°TAU'49 | HADES
17°TAU'48 | TISIPHONE

and, of course:

17°TAU'06 | CHIRON

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posted March 14, 2015 10:46 AM              

I just noticed that about 2 weeks after my birth AMBROSIA was turning direction going into direct motion.

That means that when I was about 15 years old in my progressions my pr Ambrosia was stationary and then turned direct (on 1°41 Gemini).

What made this so interesting is that it was on 12th january 1990 on 1°42 Gemini, which was the day I first heard someone`s voice. Well back then I thought he was my twinflame, I don`t think so now, and it was all very weird, and delusional and just a teenage crush, but the crazy variation. And it opened so many venues to me that year. I started writing poetry ( a LOT of it actually). I started doing astrology IN EARNEST.

I remember that night, I was looking up into the dark sky seeing the stars glittering overhead and just knew for certain that life as I knew it had changed within an instant, and that, with being at the crossroad, when choosing that path, I would never ever have the luxury to be like anyone else my age, my path would be very different.

It was almost like someone had given me the option to either drink or not drink of this elexier (Ambrosia?). It was my choice. I could have turned away from it all and just gone back inside continue partying. I chose option B. with all the chaos and turmoil and pain, but also with all the pieces-falling-into-place, joy and bliss that it would bring.

For some reason hearing this man`s voice triggered it, was there at the beginning, a turning point in my life.

And then in the following weeks and months, as I said, I started doing astrology in earnest, I started writing poetry and other stuff, I started having strange premonitions and psychic sensations, my deep and unchanging love of the musical-theatre started back then, too (the only two things I could ever stay emotionally committed to, astrology and (musical)theatre), I started meditating, I started having freaky past life recalls and dreams; I stumbled across my first LInda Goodman relationship book,which left that strong impression, the first time I ever saw the word twinsoul written somewhere. Coincidentally that same day a magazine was falling into my hands which had an article about twinsouls as well. And astral travel. It`s so long ago, but I can remember it so well.

It ALL leads back to this one point in time.

And coincidentally it was that moment, my AMBROSIA became direct in progressions? LOL

posted March 14, 2015 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
You're kind of adorable when you're following a hunch, Peluches. I had to catch up on a lot of work today, so I'm a bit delayed, but I DID look into the CUPIDO placements, and I'll post on them soon.

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Hahahaha Okay !

posted March 14, 2015 11:02 AM              

Maybe it really is a healing potion?

My Neptune is too far from opposing my Ambrosia (7 degrees), and his Neptune is just weakly sextiles his (3 degrees).
However we do have a DW of Neptune-Chiron, quinkunx and trine. Exact.

posted March 14, 2015 12:53 PM              

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This however is closely opposite my Chiron on 20°02 Aries.

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In our synastry this Pluto-ANTEROS-AMBROSIA of his (and my DNA-SAPPHO-MUSA btw) is intersecting the trine of my CUPIDO in Leo to his CUPIDO-Neptune-DNA in Sagittarius).

If you look at the composite you will find neither Chiron nor Ambrosia being linked, however CUPIDO is somewhat emphasized.

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(btw I love the fact that Jupiter is the handle of our bucket and that he is placed in 5th house. that is kinda nice )

posted March 14, 2015 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Peluches,

while I usually like orbs to be a little tighter, I do become more flexible (in reasonable extent) especially with patterns.
I am intrigued to see that his EROS is actually on your ISIS/OSIRIS-mp.

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Thanks for the reply. Well, it's opposite, actually. Yes, it is a little intriguing because EROS is part of a soulmate pair, but that's all I see here. I tried to look for a DW or something significant to complete the pattern of ISIS/OSIRIS making a hard aspect to EROS, but I only found that his ISIS/OSIRIS midpoint is at 26° CAN and widely sextile (about 3°) my EROS/VALENTINE, quincunx by 0-1° our stellium of my DESTINN/his UNION/my KAALI/his (ASC + Kaali - Chiron), and sesquisquare our other significant stellium of my JUNO/my S-M mdp/my (ASC + Kaali - Chiron)/his KAALI.

posted March 14, 2015 02:07 PM            

For some reason, the tumultuous relationship as depicted in 'Whiplash' keeps coming to my mind; desperate to attain perfection; playing 'til your fingers bleed. Giving your life to music and leaving room for nothing else. Dying achieved, but alone -- except for the time you gave to him. Like a strange black mark on your soul; a spectre of your thoughts. I see it with such bizarre clarity. Unable to achieve such greatness on his own, for whatever reason, he sought students. In the end, he chose the best, and the best would have to sacrifice all to the pursuit of music.

You know this is possible, being from the piano world. You know people can get ... a little unhinged.

Souls don't operate within a vacuum, however. It'd be completely inefficient. Oh, yes, we can choose obstacles, but they should be ones we can reasonably overcome with concentrated effort. I'm inclined we'll be discovering much more about these complex karmic / soul relationships in the coming weeks, with a kind of apex reached when tSUN conjoins the Aries Point.

I feel that, in the case of Soulmates and Twin Flames both, there are 'helper' souls that guide these reunions, whether they be Twin Flame or not. I'm coming to the understanding that Twin Flames know what they are without question. They just forget that innate knowledge which was so certain in their youth. But when you're here to do great work (and works) and elevate humanity, you know. The hardest thing is maintaining that knowledge, and being undeterred -- by spouses and kids and bills and home renovations and ageing and the general complexities and even disappointments life can throw at you.

That being said, you're so very young, and it's such a wonderful thing. You have even more advance knowledge than I did, being 'bought up' here on LL. (I was given the rare opportunity to be among the astrologers on the Festival, later Conjunction, mailing list from 1994 to the present.) And so many things have been discovered since I started, too. I adore astrology for its consistent unfolding over time. 25 years, and there's always more to learn.

I feel it's highly possible -- and even extremely likely -- that you both will have powerful Soulmate relationships in your lives, even though 4º and 5º are too wide to consider for asteroid aspects. The basic energy is there.

Otherwise, it seems to me that you're both in each other's lives to heal some former damage which is impacting you both on a soul level. But I think expecting to be able to do that so young is quixotic and way too much with which to burden yourself. You don't quite see it now, but you do the further you move from it through time.

Personally, I'd be looking at all of the asteroids having to do with the great composers and music in general. Something tells me they'll light up your synastry like a Christmas tree. I feel you're both here with each other now so that he can impart the knowledge (and skill) that he needs to at the time he needs to.

BUT -- and here's the big, important part -- you are NOT to waste your life feeling beholden to him. That's an old way to be. One with which I suspect you became very comfortable. We fall into old patterns when we reconnect with souls; we automatically trip over into our old dynamics in many cases. Something tells me you've already given MORE than enough to this man. And I'm not saying he isn't wonderful now, or wasn't potentially just misguided then, but you have the choice of how much of your time you choose to give this time around.

I feel that you ultimate destiny is to make music together, but have separate lives outside of that. You feel to me, like an unbeatable musician team. And, for all we know, this is a very old attraction for you. Eventually, we just have to accept when things aren't going in that direction, and let them go.

I would actually have no issue working with my ex-Twin now, despite our volatile history, and the feelings I once had. It's the fact that he keeps hurting me that prevents me from reestablishing a creative relationship. So, I've decided, maybe in another 5 years I'll try again. We'll see.

You're going to find a wonderful young man, Peluches, who will be itching to be in your affections. But I think there's a trade-off here. I think the right one -- who can provide us genuine love and caring -- doesn't come around until we've learnt to let go of the wrong, obsolete, or simply unproductive relationships, delaying or prohibiting our future growth.

posted March 14, 2015 02:09 PM              

"und that his ISIS/OSIRIS midpoint is at 26° CAN"

And your ISIS/OSIRIS is roughly on 22 Leo, right?

This could mean, that your composite Isis/Osiris-mp is at about 11 Leo, right?
so his ISIS conjuncts the composite Isis/Osiris-mp?
and also composite ISIS is at about 18 Leo, and might be roughly conjunct your OSIRIS, is that right?

I am possibly missing something here, but these are no random occurrences, there is some geometry here at play, you could investigate.

"I liked the 'in reasonable extent' "

posted March 14, 2015 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Okay, here are the asteroid numbers for serennu.com.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,
26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,
51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,
76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,
101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,
126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149,150,
151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175,
176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199,200,
201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,
226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249,250,
251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,
276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299,300,
301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,
326,327,328,329,330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349,350,
351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,
376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399,400,
401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423,424,425,
426,427,428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449,450,
451,452,453,454,455,456,457,458,459,460,461,462,463,464,465,466,467,468,469,470,471,472,473,474,475,
476,477,478,479,480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495,496,497,498,499,500,

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Wow, that is QUITE extensive!

I got my asteroids from serennu.com awhile ago, actually -- 2012, I think? -- which, I believe, allowed me to see that TISIPHONE had an asteroid. Which really did start off everything.

posted March 14, 2015 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Cupido has never been about playing someone or leading someone on. No clue where that misconception came about.Maybe because he is the more playful one of the triad. But being playful certainly does not equate with being deceitful.

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Ceri,

I'm glad that's your view, too. Honestly, I've found such wonderful CUPIDO contacts in loving, long-term relationships, he didn't jibe to me in terms of 'the player'.

I loved that link you provided, too; I found it earlier yesterday in my pursuit of all-things-CUPIDO online. (And MLW only covers the TNP, so that wasn't helping. I HAVE found that the TNP closely relates to multidimensional relationships. It's like ... VALENTINE without temporal boundaries. That's why I like him for Soulmate synastries and composites. Fascinating how much this one pops up in that specific context.

My eyes did well up the moment I saw CUPIDO as part of his TISIPHONE/HADES, I'll admit. As if something struck a chord on a very deep level.

posted March 14, 2015 03:23 PM              

"h wonderful CUPIDO contacts in loving, long-term relationships"
Yes, me, too. Din`t Paul Mc Cartney and his first wife had the conjunction?

"I HAVE found that the TNP closely relates to multidimensional relationships. It's like ... VALENTINE without temporal boundaries."
That is interesting. I have not researched it.
Can you elaborate a little on that?

It seems significant for me cause I noticed in our synastry we have:

my UNION 29°50 Libra
my h CUPIDO 29°28 Libra
my Uranus 01°21 Scorpio

his UNION 29°28 Libra

"My eyes did well up the moment I saw CUPIDO as part of his TISIPHONE/HADES, I'll admit. As if something struck a chord on a very deep level."
I can imagine!