posted March 14, 2015 04:12 PM              

See how his ISIS is on the composite Isis/Osiris-mp, which is being brought out in imprortance by being configrued with the composite ASC (and funny enough occupying the same degree as the Ambrosia-Karma does in MY composite. Which is something I sort of noticed, it seems similiar or even same degrees pop up in different synastries).

and your Osiris is on composite Isis right? Or near to at least.

Composite Isis is also configured with Valentine and composite Amor, which is such a beautiful loving combination.

Nevertheless it seems like the themes all revolve around ISIS, the divine feminity, maybe highlighting the Yin-orientation of that connection (for both of you actually), the development and expression of patienct, endurance, devoted love, compassion and healing skills.

Though it is touching both charts, I get the feeling from this list it is sort of more meaningful for you, as it is on your nodal axis, and actually on your NORTH Node your guiding star.
Maybe that relationship or connection provides a model or channels for you to develop that soulmateship (at least internally for you, becoming the compassionate healing loving woman that you are supposed to be, and the queen of course, Isis in Leo).

It`s jsut he doesn`t need to develop the masculine side of it, as it seems.

Nevertheless there is such a wonderful potentially deeply loving quality here in the composite.

posted March 14, 2015 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
But, Auby, I don't want to let him go ! There've been so many obstacles that I haven't told you about, getting between us, stopping us from enjoying being together, and giving him so many preconceived ideas about me, that over time, my goal in this relationship has become only being able to be happy together, and him loving me even as a friend. That would make me so happy, really, and I wouldn't mind the rest. It's finally starting to happen, and now I have so much hope for the future. I feel that I have to be there for him, and I can't afford to leave him... abandon him.

I'm aware that this is not going to make me grow much, but, really, I've always preferred not to care about these things. Maybe it's my lazy Libran nature, or my detached Aquarian Moon, but I don't care what happens to me in this lifetime. And I would not care in any other lifetime if I kept the same way of thinking. I mean, think of it -- whatever we do on the physical plane doesn't matter that much on the spiritual plane. Say, if we get into trouble, or get someone into trouble, whatever we do will result karmic debts and in signing soul contracts. So what ? For me, all souls start their journey at the same level, before growing, ascending, each one at their own pace, until finally reaching the same level. With no exception. So, why to worry about such small things that happen on Earth ? If I die tomorrow, I won't care, honestly. I'll be telling myself 'Okay, that's it. It's the end of this life for me. There's no big deal. Cyril, I love you. I always have. ... See you up there.'

The karma'll take care of it. And in the end, we'll all be together. We'll be equal, we'll love each other, and it'll be beautiful. [/B]

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I think in viewing the bigger picture, you're, ironically, missing the biggest one.

Your lifeline, your presently observed eigenstate, the Now in which you find yourself, is your ultimate canvas for growth, development, and choices made for the future. In my understanding, the decisions we make here and now affect the past -- and vice versa. I came to this realisation when studying the effects of NLP upon the unconscious -- which is completely unaware of the passage of time. It operates solely in the now.

This means having a positive relationship with Cyril in the present can affect any negativity in, and from, your past. But 'letting go' is not abandonment. It's acceptance. It's maturity and growth. It's learning that, sometimes, we can't always get what we want -- we get what we need.

I have a troublesome time, however, with the notion that Twin Flames would choose to embody forms that would disallow them the way in which they are most nourishing to each other: tantric sex. The choices are and were entirely yours, so why would you choose a path that ultimately prevents it?

I think, more than anything, that you're feeling your NYMPHE exactly conjunct his NNODE. Got to be confusing in a platonic relationship. In this case, we have to look at the alternate meanings of NYMPHE, which does mean her innate expression is frustrated.

I wonder why?

Something brought you to intentionally experience this frustration and prohibition. Perhaps, instead, let's look at what this interaction has done, in 'NYMPHE' terms. It's ultimately playful, innocent, and doesn't view sexuality as something sinful or corrupting. It has a very natural view, and is rather unashamed. Perhaps this connexion has helped you understand your developing sexuality in some way. No to mention how much the nymphs were known for playing music and generally being playful and enjoying themselves in an innocent and carefree manner.

Meanwhile, the NODES are cyclic in their nature. The NNODE brings in and introduces, so that it may become a new facet of our being, a skill, talent, or trait that helps us grow as a person and a multidimensional being. The SNODE cleanses, clears, and releases.

When we see something on our SNODE in synastry, immediately, we know something went wrong there, or is drawing our attention. The closer the orb, the more obvious its importance. Something was left undone or incomplete, or we failed to master the lesson, or a debt has been incurred. So we come together now with the person to understand the error, clear the debt, cleanse the area of life it impacted, and release the energy from our lifeline and soul-path.

SNODE are not energies we can keep around -- no matter how much we desperately want to. They're things we have to sort through and then release back into the Universe. It's as if to say, 'okay, you've had that long enough.' Like a cherished toy from childhood that's damaged from how deeply we loved it. We need to repair it and send it away.

That's what leaves us free to explore and experience all the NNODE, and our new adventures, have to offer.

I wish I'd had this new understanding of the NODES back in 2013, when I was hanging onto my Twin 'just because' he was my Twin. Instead, I'd have noted his EROS/PSYCHE and VENUS/MARS Midpoints at my SNODE, 0º and thought, 'this has to be healed and released.' Well, it's yet to be healed, but it's been released. Freewill is always a factor, and the only control we have is when we choose to release. And I've not abandoned him, either. I simply said to myself, 'this is not love, and I'm ultimately here to experience love, passion, creative devotion, and a magnanimous joy of life.' It wasn't giving me that. And it wasn't going to. So it was MY choice, whether or not I released that SNODE energy, so that I could more actively focus upon the NNODE energy coming in.

I made the right choice.

I can hear you crying, 'but we have a skipped-step!' which is, of course, where things get more complicated. But you know you can't force the horse to drink, and dunking its poor head is cruel. Sometimes, in life, we simply have more information than the other party, and it can all feel rather pointless when there's nothing to be done about it. Identifying the skipped-step is tough enough, but understanding it is infinitely more difficult. That the answers haven't immediately come to you is no surprise. I'm in the second year of unravelling mine, and have only just now made the CUPIDO connexion.

So while we're shaking the NODES to get the skipped-step to give up its 'treasures', we can focus more completely upon the NODES themselves. Lifelong relationships have enough NNODE activity to keep them evolving, whether one or both. Those that are karmic and are purposefully here to resolve are SNODE-focussed, with the ultimate lesson being to let go and release the energy that's collected there.

He does precious little for your NNODE, sweetie. You're ironically teaching him about playful flirtatiousness and being the subject of such activity. It looks like his NYMPHE is just out of orb of completing a dual-aspect, meaning both of you needed to experience these energies in some regard.

But I like more at the NNODE for those we intend to devote ourselves to, and keep around for a long, long time. SUN and MOON are wonderful, along with VENUS and MERC. MARS is a tricky devil but can be great if there's a lot of drive between you; JUPITER is fantastic, and SATURN tends to send us back to looking at the SNODE instead, with URANUS and PLUTO being life-changing, and NEPTUNE being wonderful for artistic teams. (In a VERY compact nutshell.)

Instead, look at what're hovering around your SNODEs. His CYRUS is on (or near) yours, making a very strong statement about your involvement in this lifeline, and your KARMA is on his SNODE.

I can tell you a thing or two about SNODE conjunct KARMA, fortunately, as I've meditated on this one. Had to.

KARMA, you can imagine, in the SNODE position means it needs to be cleansed, cleared, and released. If in the NNODE position, we need to reexperience or have it play a greater role in the present lifeline; oddly, our soul's growth seems dependent upon it. (This I can relate to as well, but it's not pertinent here.)

In some cases, with a SNODE-heavy synastry and a strong KARMA-SNODE link, the purpose of the relationship can be to clear the karma (resolve the skipped-step) and release each other. But in all cases, SNODE conjunct KARMA shows negative karma that must be cleansed, cleared, and released.

posted March 14, 2015 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"Well, it's opposite, actually."
Yeah well, it`s an axis anyway. In a circle any two points always have two midpoints, which are exactly opposite each other.
In this case it just means his Eros is on the far midpoint of your Isis/Osiris,b ut it`S on the midpoint nevertheless.

"und that his ISIS/OSIRIS midpoint is at 26° CAN"

And your ISIS/OSIRIS is roughly on 22 Leo, right?

This could mean, that your composite Isis/Osiris-mp is at about 11 Leo, right?
so his ISIS conjuncts the composite Isis/Osiris-mp?
and also composite ISIS is at about 18 Leo, and might be roughly conjunct your OSIRIS, is that right?

I am possibly missing something here, but these are no random occurrences, there is some geometry here at play, you could investigate.

"I liked the 'in reasonable extent' "

Yeah I still don`t like reaching for straws, this flexibility really pertains to conjunctions and oppositions for me, as these are not so much aspects but "conditions" in a chart.

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Actually, it's my nISIS/nOSIRIS=22ºLEO, which I now see my Guardian's SOMA is conjunct 0º. I forget what they're doing in composite, though, I'd have to check.

posted March 14, 2015 05:06 PM              

I was actually meaning to address that last post you quoted to Peluches.

posted March 14, 2015 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Wow, that is QUITE extensive!

I got my asteroids from serennu.com awhile ago, actually -- 2012, I think? -- which, I believe, allowed me to see that TISIPHONE had an asteroid. Which really did start off everything.

It's been a helpful list, although I find it a bit too heavy on the girls' names. Nonetheless, it's been useful in certain regards, unquestionably.

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posted March 14, 2015 06:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
AGAIN !

Yes, we do, Ceri.

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posted March 14, 2015 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Auby, [b]thank you ; I will keep all that in mind.

Sooo, about music asteroids ! I have a stellium of Venus, Ceres, Cyrus and Chopin at 8-9° Virgo, and we have Brahms conjunct IC natally ; Moon conjunct Haydn DW. What about yours, Auby ? [/B]

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posted March 14, 2015 06:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Hah! I wondered about that. I know we've both got ISIS and OSIRIS in LEO, and I forget the degrees. What I find intriguing is that it's hovering around my nNNODE, and, if I'm not mistaken, out of orb but sharing your SNODE sign, right, Peluches?

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posted March 14, 2015 06:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
We need to make a list, as I lost the one I was compiling when I updated my phone. Fortunately, just the PDFs. But -- AUGH! CHOPIN (3784) was indeed among them. For the odd way our karma is bizarrely linked to his music, especially the Nocturnes.

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Aww... Would this help ? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003388.html

posted March 14, 2015 07:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
My North Node is in Leo, but huber NN in Aquarius, because of the Virgo ASC close to 0° Libra (almost reversed signs). But we do share the 18° Leo PSE !

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Right! I flipped that, didn't I?

And, great idea about looking at the dates the pieces were composed. I admit, I prefer the most pedestrian, even though I do love #48.'

Number 2, Opus 9. BUT! Long, long before it was 'the popular one'. It's the one that resonated with me. That, for whatever unknown reason, I KNEW that this character's signature composer was Chopin. It would become his chief form of emotional expression, too. On track to being a concert pianist, when that failed for various reasons, he regrouped as a criminologist, but never fully abandoned his playing. So it's become the way he emotes in a more dramatic display. He won't storm into a room, throwing things around and shouting; he'll walk very carefully, set everything down with precision, quietly make his way to the piano, and then play 'Torrent'. And anyone who knows him, knows THAT's about as full of rage as he can get.

posted March 14, 2015 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Why isn't anyone looking at Proserpina, Jupiter and Pan?
Mercury was involved...I've seen your checking that out but these others were involved also.

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Oh, I have ! Jupiter was already prominent for me... I just need to check the others now !

posted March 14, 2015 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Right! I flipped that, didn't I?

And, great idea about looking at the dates the pieces were composed. I admit, I prefer the most pedestrian, even though I do love #48.'

Number 2, Opus 9. BUT! Long, long before it was 'the popular one'. It's the one that resonated with me. That, for whatever unknown reason, I KNEW that this character's signature composer was Chopin. It would become his chief form of emotional expression, too. On track to being a concert pianist, when that failed for various reasons, he regrouped as a criminologist, but never fully abandoned his playing. So it's become the way he emotes in a more dramatic display. He won't storm into a room, throwing things around and shouting; he'll walk very carefully, set everything down with precision, quietly make his way to the piano, and then play 'Torrent'. And anyone who knows him, knows THAT's about as full of rage as he can get.

He's fun.

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Who's that ?

I love Op. 9/2 ! But yeah, why do you think it became famous ? Op. 9/1 is beautiful too, though it's also a (not as) famous one. I love the tenths and twelfths in that Nocturne. Hmm, what else...

The Études ! Op. 10/3 and 10/12, of course, but Op. 25/1 too, that I enjoyed studying, and the middle section of 25/5, along with the octave etude Op. 25/10 which is my favorite !

posted March 15, 2015 08:35 AM            

We also have: my Cupid-DC conj his venus-sun and his saturn-cupid conj my ceres-lilith (all in my 7th house).

???

posted March 15, 2015 04:55 PM              

and yet another SAbian degree mentioning children.

posted March 16, 2015 09:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Auby,

Lemme guess. Have you got AMBROSIA aspecting NORTH NODE, PALLAS, KAALI and/or ISIS in your synastry (any astro.com aspect) ? Maybe Neptune, too.

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My AMBROSIA is in the same sign as his SNODE, but 6º from a conjunction. Nothing to NNODE.

There is a 1º parallel of my AMBROSIA and his KAALI, along with a 1º30 trine of his AMBROSIA to my KAALI. Nothing else hits. So, clearly, of the bunch, there is minor resonance of AMBROSIA with KAALI.

posted March 16, 2015 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Why isn't anyone looking at Proserpina, Jupiter and Pan?
Mercury was involved...I've seen your checking that out but these others were involved also.

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I meant to add that my AMBROSIA is part of a 0º-1º stellium with DESTINN as well as EROS. It's also 3º conjunct MERCURY. It's funny, but when you view it that way, the picture can be: 'destined for MERCURY to bring the AMBROSIA with EROS.' Specifically, MERCURY brought EROS to the AMBROSIA, as the conjunction happened 3 days before my birthday. The 'destiny' part becomes active just after my birth, when DESTINN was conjunct the AMBROSIA-EROS, though MERCURY was moving out of orb, already being 2º on my birthday.

But if we want to stay Greek on everything, my HERMES is 0º conjunct my DESTINN, 1º my AMBROSIA, and 2º trine my CUPIDO.

So, who knows?

His AMBROSIA and my JUPITER share a sign, even though there's no aspect, as my JUPITER is 11º away from his AMBROSIA.

His HERMES is 2º opposite my AMBROSIA-EROS, and 1º my DESTINN-HERMES. It's 3º trine his PSYCHE, but out of orb of his AMBROSIA.

My PROSERPINA is conjunct his EROS, 0º. His PERSEPHONE and PROSERPINA are both sextile my PSYCHE, 1º and 2º30 respectively.

posted March 16, 2015 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
My AMBROSIA is in the same sign as his SNODE, but 6º from a conjunction. Nothing to NNODE.

There is a 1º parallel of my AMBROSIA and his KAALI, along with a 1º30 trine of his AMBROSIA to my KAALI. Nothing else hits. So, clearly, of the bunch, there is minor resonance of AMBROSIA with KAALI.

What's your theory, Pel?

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Hmm...

I've been writing out all the Ambrosia aspects in my list of thirty celebrity couples (long lasting ones and soulmates). So far, out of fourteen synastries, the North Node, Kaali and Pallas have the most hits (twelve, excluding double whammies of course), followed by Isis (eleven) and Tisiphone and Karma (about ten).

Those last two always seem to come together, meaning that a natal aspect between them might be an indicator of a soulmate (or long lasting) relationship.

posted March 16, 2015 11:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
... followed by Isis (eleven) and Tisiphone and Karma ...

Those last two always seem to come together, meaning that a natal aspect between them might be an indicator of a soulmate (or long lasting) relationship.

Will keep you posted for the rest.

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Well, you didn't say TISIPHONE. Honey, I can give you TISIPHONE.

(Incidentally, my soul-group is largely identified by a conjunction of TISIPHONE-LACHESIS.) I've definitely noticed TISIPHONE-KARMA in synastries, however, and I'm starting to put together why that is. Finally.

TISIPHONE is strong in both of our natals and synastry. It does have some interesting involvement with AMBROSIA, but natally.

TISIPHONE trine AMBROSIA (0º)
AMBROSIA trine TISIPHONE (2º)

Weird, no?

Think about that for a second as it involves our synastries. That means we both have TISIPHONE trine our natal conjunction of either EROS-AMBROSIA or PSYCHE-AMBROSIA. Interesting, I think. Even if we're plugging in CUPIDO for EROS in mine, it becomes a trine rather than conjunction, 2º. It can then be read as: AMBROSIA-DESTINN-HERMES trine CUPIDO trine TISIPHONE (conjunct his SUN). Or HERMES trine AMBROSIA-PSYCHE trine TISIPHONE (quincunx my SUN).

I find the resonance definitely intriguing.