posted March 11, 2015 03:44 PM            

Upon a hunch that I started following via Peluches' investigating AMBROSIA (193) in her karmic synastry pattern, I started looking into the point. Finally. (I know, I'm late to this party.)

According to MAH, it's 'candy and other things that are good and sweet'. His research indicates it can be mitigating factors in murder trials and literally involved in artificial sweetener cases.
http://markandrewholmes.com/ambrosia.html

Ahhh, but another link over on Kim Falconer's board brought back to mind its role in the myth of Eros and Psyche:
http://erosastrology.proboards.com/thread/987/ambrosia

'Jupiter lent a favoring ear, and pleaded the cause of the lovers so earnestly with Venus that he won her consent. On this he sent Mercury to bring Psyche up to the heavenly assembly, and when she arrived, handing her a cup of ambrosia, he said, "Drink this, Psyche, and be immortal; nor shall Cupid ever break away from the knot in which he is tied, but these nuptials shall be perpetual."'

Perhaps it's my being a writer, but astrodrama has always been in my nature; I studied it in my teens, and took to it as a fish to water.

The astrological translation of the above:

tJUPITER in positive aspect to nEROS
tMERC conjunct nPSYCHE
nAMBROSIA conjunct nPSYCHE / nEROS
nPSYCHE aspect nEROS

I've not tested the transits as of yet, but I found this in my synastry with my Guardian this morning:

12ºVIR'20 | PSYCHE
15ºVIR'24 | AMBROSIA

11ºSCO'48 | EROS
11ºSCO'24 | AMBROSIA

This is not synastry. This is natal. (Granted, in synastry, my EROS does sextile his PSYCHE, 0º40; his EROS is septile my PSYCHE, as well as contraparallel, 0º30.)

I was so flabbergasted at the possible implications here, that I generated ephemerides.

The conjunction of tEROS and tAMBROSIA became exact on my birthday; a few hours after I was born. Bizarrely, when my mother says, 'I was bathed in golden light for several moments.' My father was there, too, and remembers the event perfectly. Sadly, I do not.

The conjunction of tPSYCHE and tAMBROSIA was exact 23 May 1967, about a month prior to his birth, in 04ºVIR'32. While not a solid hit for me, I'm charmed with 4.32, as it's my birthtime. (His is 18:32.)

So, while the conjunction is separating in his natal, it shows that 'PSYCHE drank of the AMBROSIA' prior to his birth, and two weeks following his PSE (Prenatal Solar Eclipse) as well. (Those two move VERY quickly, so they're already at 1º30 in the PSE.)

Whereas, for me, EROS possessed the AMBROSIA a mere few hours following my birth. So I was born with a very close, 0º applying conjunction.

What on earth does all of this mean?

Well, your guess is as good as mine. But as we've come to understand, PSYCHE in a woman's chart represents the soul's longing for true love and divine merging. EROS, in a man's, seeks that completion and possesses a drive to obtain it. But we don't do much research in understanding the female EROS or the male PSYCHE.

To me, it would seem that a man's PSYCHE is the representation of his desire for the divine feminine. Rather than 'the woman he prefers' (as classically indicated by VENUS), PSYCHE is a deeper longing, and a greater search for fulfillment. Indeed, we do find that men who have their PSYCHE in strong aspect to a woman's personal points are often deeply smitten and very devoted.

Women, on the other hand, aren't really allowed to express their EROS in our current cultural mores. Should she possess sexual longing, she's 'loose', or a harlot; should she develop an ability to merge her romantic nature with her sexual drive, she's a fantasy. It's an underdeveloped skill, by far, and few females are taught to do much but 'be coy and make him come to you.'.

So EROS is largely unexpressed in female charts, meaning we tend to channel those instincts and drive into the sort of man for whom we might long. It becomes a soul-oriented MARS in that case. Leaving the true operation of EROS to be entirely dependent upon a woman's own possession of her sexuality.

Curiously, both my Guardian and I are asexual, having chosen to embark upon a journey of understanding what on earth drives human beings so mad with this stuff. We've not gotten there just yet, but what we've learnt, and built, along the way has been phenomenal -- and continues to unfold.

And now, I wonder, whether my AMBROSIA conjunct EROS so soon after my birth doesn't indicate a secret longing for the man who would possess that powerful drive for true soul union -- beyond anything of which we seem capable on earth. And I wonder with equal fervour, if he did not specifically choose to incarnate into this lifeline with a feature that defines the search for a woman who has ascended her mortality and arisen to goddess status through the sheer power of love and overcoming all of its trials.

If that isn't the very essence of the Twin Flame journey, or the Soul Mate principle, or the True Love paradigm -- then tell me, what is?

Off to explore this further now. But you know what I need from you. Help me explore this! Let's delve deeply into the possibility that THIS might be a crucial feature in the astrological understanding of Twin Flames.

:: hugs @Peluches :: Honey, you're amazing. Somehow, we make a bang-up team.

posted March 11, 2015 03:56 PM            

Definitely a great team. I'll see what I can do with your charts.

posted March 11, 2015 04:31 PM              

Turns out AMBROSIA is conjunct UNION (0°04) in a loose Grand trine with ISIS (1°48) and Jupiter (1°18)

Whatever Ambrosia really means, it is apparently tied to our union.

Oh wait it gets crazier!

my own Ambrosia is on 2°36 Gemini conjunct the first meeting chart`s Sun (0°31) and opposing my Amor (0°28)

his Ambrosia is on 17°13 Libra on the missing leg for a Grand trine with my Moon on 17°06 Aquarius and my KARMA on 16°01 Gemini.

and our composite has AMBROSIA on 10 Leo in 7th house conjunct KARMA (0°15)

Sabian:
10° EARLY MORNING DEW SPARKLES AS THE SUN FLOODS THE FIELDS.

Freshness of spontaneous response to life and emotions.

Well, oh I did not realize!

But his AMBROSIA is trine my KARMA (1°12)
my AMBROSIA is trine his KARMA (0°42)

It know it is "just" a trine, but since they are in the complementary phase, they transform into a conjunction in the composite.

posted March 11, 2015 04:46 PM              

Not so in our chart, however I have some weak spot for the Draco so I checked it

my Dr AMBROSIA conjunct his Dr PSYCHE (1°24) and Dr PALLAS (0°31)

his Dr AMBROSIA almost opposes my Dr EROS, but 5 degrees are really too wide. They are widely parallel too (0°56)

however his Dr AMBROSIA conjuncts our composite EROS exact.

posted March 11, 2015 04:57 PM            

... Okay.

posted March 11, 2015 05:21 PM              

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted March 11, 2015 05:29 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That's a lovely asteroid for nirvanic states and the opening of the chakras. Ambrosia flows through you with chakra opening.

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That were my thoughts, too.

posted March 11, 2015 05:35 PM            

I'm inclined to think so, because I DID check this with my Twin in our astrology.

AMBROSIA is conjunct our ASC in the Composite, 1º (and his nDESTINN, 0º. Not to mention my Guardian's nVESTA, 2ºm which I find intriguing.)

But AMBROSIA is 0º conjunct my Twin's SNODE; the same point which is conjunct his KARMA and SATURN, and my MOON-ANGEL-URA.

However ...

He natally has AMBROSIA square PSYCHE (0º45). And conjunct his LILITH, 0º. There's a natal conflict in PSYCHE obtaining AMBROSIA, as it is already possessed by LILITH -- 'the other woman'. He would have to change his whole relationship model in order, and the reasons for this are intensely karmic (conjunct SNODE).

Meanwhile, my AMBROSIA is also square his EROS, and makes no aspect to his PSYCHE. However, my JUPITER s sextile his AMBROSIA, (1º) indicating the opportunity is there ... but EROS has to seek it -- rather than PSYCHE.

And his EROS makes no aspect to his AMBROSIA.

It seems that our AMBROSIA in the c12H conjunct the ASC (1º) is speaking volumes here. Nothing is even within orb of aspecting it, besides VESTA (1º) and BML (3º).

From this, it doesn't look as if we REALLY ever had a chance.

What's fascinating is that my husband's nPSYCHE is 09ºSCO'52, which means it's always been 2º conjunct my nEROS. Now that I see my EROS and AMBROSIA are conjunct? Through our marriage, 'PSYCHE drinks of the AMBROSIA'. Indeed, had I never come to Los Angeles, I'd have never met my Guardian. He'd have remained a strange phantom of my imagination, haunting, inspiring, and perplexing me in equal portions.

But does it matter if it's my PSYCHE or is it merely the illustration of the principle?

So I find it even more intriguing that my husband's AMBROSIA is conjunct my AMOR-ALICE, (1º) but quincunx my nPSYCHE. Synastrically speaking, it would take some serious adjustments for my PSYCHE to obtain the 'AMBROSIA' in our marriage.

But isn't it curious, that I represent EROS with the AMBROSIA, able to present it to his PSYCHE? Something I always knew, I think. I could have had a perfectly blissful marriage, if I were the man. Damned complicated, as I'm just not. My Guardian made that more obvious and clear than ANYONE had EVER done before, and my priorities changed almost overnight.

And yet, I'm also chuckling at my EROS/AMBROSIA and his PSYCHE/AMBROSIA. In theory, he represents the principle of immortal Psyche, who has undergone the trials of love, and earnt her place in the Greek pantheon, welcomed into Olympus by none other than the king of the gods, to marry her destined beloved.

Wow!

And yet ... Eros only first possessed the ambrosia soon after my birth. So, inherent in my natal is the energy of Eros having acquired the ambrosia, whereas his encompasses an immortal Psyche.

Either way, we both possess energies present at the story's end, specifically, either just prior to, or just following, their reunion and subsequent marriage.

In short, his chart contains the newly married Psyche, and mine, Eros at the time of the wedding ceremony.

posted March 11, 2015 05:39 PM            

12º VIRGO is the 'bride' sabian!

'A BRIDE WITH HER VEIL SNATCHED AWAY'.

I forgot that!

So, okay, WTF is up with my MADHATTER at this degree?

SCORPIO 11º, by the way ...

'A DROWNING PERSON IS BEING RESCUED'

'Salvation'. 'Last minute reprieve'. 'Rescue'.

posted March 11, 2015 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
I wonder if ZEUS (5731) plays a part here too, as the Greek equivalent of Jupiter ?

Oh, and definitely check for Ambrosia in the FMC with your Twin and Guardian. That could be meaningful.

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posted March 11, 2015 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
But his AMBROSIA is trine my KARMA (1°12)
my AMBROSIA is trine his KARMA (0°42)

It know it is "just" a trine, but since they are in the complementary phase, they transform into a conjunction in the composite.

Now, maybe I should read what you wrote about it.

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Aha!

posted March 11, 2015 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Ambrosia elevates Psyche in making her immortal.

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Exactly. It's the only way she's able to enter into wedded union with Eros with Aphrodite's blessing.

posted March 11, 2015 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Astral:
My Ambrosia is also conjunct my Psyche.

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I think you're halfway there, Astral. Having PSYCHE conjunct AMBROSIA in the natal could indicate 'immortal Psyche', which means she's ready for reunion with Eros.

posted March 11, 2015 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I suggest to look into Ambrosia personas.

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posted March 11, 2015 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Good idea!

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posted March 11, 2015 05:55 PM            

Btw, there's an asteroid Olympia 582. Not exactly Olympus but I think it wouldn't hurt to play with it.

posted March 11, 2015 06:01 PM            

His pAMBROSIA was conjunct my pJUPITER at the time of our meeting! Meanwhile, my pAMBROSIA was quincunx my pPSYCHE, (1º) showing the need for compromise and adjustment.

His pSUN was also conjunct my nNNODE (1º), with my pSUN square my nNNODES, 0º. And, since his pMOON was conjunct my pSUN (conjunct pKARMA, 1º), that means his pMOON was conjunct my pSUN-pKARMA square my nNNODES.

Well, that's a biggie.

But his pJUPITER is also conjunct my nNNODE (2º) and pNNODE (1º).

His pNODES were also overlaying his ndASC/DSC axis. (nd = Natal Draconic). That's a big one, too.

His pEROS was trine his pPSYCHE (1º)
My pEROS was quindecile my pPSYCHE (2º)

However, there's this:

His pVENUS=nPSYCHE/AMBROSIA (his) (0º) conjunct his pASC-pJUNO
His pMARS=nEROS/AMBROSIA (mine) (0º30) conjunct his pMOON and my pKARMA (2º) -- and 2º out of orb of my pSUN.)

posted March 11, 2015 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Checking personas is never a bad idea I have a tight ASC-DSC conjunction in my Ambrosia synastry, why am I not surprised?

Btw, there's an asteroid Olympia 582. Not exactly Olympus but I think it wouldn't hurt to play with it.

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