posted March 23, 2015 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Aquacheeka, ( I hope I spelled it right cause editing on my phone is a ...) who gets abused? Mars or Saturn? I'm Saturn and I'm just too mature to abuse people. If they rub me wrong I'll let em go.

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This is a pretty apt description of what happens with this synastry aspect, imo:

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This is a very negative aspect to share with someone in synastry.
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With this aspect, it seems that no matter what the Mars person does, the Saturn person is bothered. Nothing is ever “good enough” for Saturn. The Saturn person usually sees the Mars person as childish and irresponsible. The Mars person’s energy is the sort that makes the Saturn person very uncomfortable. More specifically, the Mars person’s self-confidence and assertiveness brings out Saturn’s insecurities, and in response, the Saturn person attempts to restrict and limit the Mars person’s actions by telling Mars what to do. Saturn may resort to constantly tearing the Mars person down through criticism and psychological abuse.
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It is common for Mars to feel Saturn is condescending and treats Mars like a child. Mars may become angry with this and lash out at the Saturn person. The cycle of criticism and conflict can soon become a vicious cycle. This aspect lends itself to verbally abusive relationships, and can even escalate into physical aggression.
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Since Mars is the planet of sex and physical energy, this aspect can also manifest into sexual problems for the couple. Saturn may find the sex disappointing, and Mars may sense this, and lose their sexual confidence. This is an aspect often found in the synastry charts of sexless marriages.

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Source: http://astrolady.wix.com/astrolady#!saturn-in-synastry-relationship-hell/cv4v

posted March 23, 2015 11:18 AM            

Mars Uranus
Mars Pluto
Mars Neptune
Mars Jupiter

This is because outer planets have immense, condensed energy and Mars is an inflammable planet.

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posted March 23, 2015 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hard aspects between Mars and Saturn are very common in long-term romantic, crazy in love couples, as stated in this thread so no, that description is not correct. But physical violence is a possible scenario with it, but this is because all hard aspects between Mars and an outer planet have physical violence as a possible effect:

Mars Uranus
Mars Pluto
Mars Neptune
Mars Jupiter

This is because outer planets have immense, condensed energy and Mars is an inflammable planet.

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It's actually very correct. Lots of long-term couples are in unhappy, unhealthy marriages. Lots of marriages involve domestic violence, as the many shelters for women will attest. Lots of men complain their wives emasculate them. And 1 in ten marriages are sexless.

posted March 23, 2015 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Primarose220:
Would this strong connection be if the person had their Saturn in a Fire sign and the other persons Mars was in another Fire sign like?

What is your mars to that persons Saturn?

Is your mars or their mars in Scorpio because , scorpio is the second sign to rule mars, but Saturn is in Sco/Sag

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If I am understanding you Primarose, do you mean that this interaction between Mars and Saturn can be quite intense for good or bad, but what makes the difference is how Mars and Saturn behave in the natal chart?

So his Virgo Mars and Venus are conjunct my Saturn

My Saturn receives a square from nMars in Gem (which means my Mars also squares his Mars and Venus)

My Saturn gets a sextile from my nVenus in Cancer (meaning my Venus also sextiles his Mars and Venus)

Saturn is also square Neptune...(Is that a grand trine since mars and neptune are opposing)?

His Mars is conjunct Venus (obviously), and squares Uranus and Jupiter. His Mars is also sextile nSaturn in Scorpio. (there's an aspect line in the chart, but astro doesn't list it on the chart)

This is a very negative aspect to share with someone in synastry.
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With this aspect, it seems that no matter what the Mars person does, the Saturn person is bothered. Nothing is ever “good enough” for Saturn. The Saturn person usually sees the Mars person as childish and irresponsible. The Mars person’s energy is the sort that makes the Saturn person very uncomfortable. More specifically, the Mars person’s self-confidence and assertiveness brings out Saturn’s insecurities, and in response, the Saturn person attempts to restrict and limit the Mars person’s actions by telling Mars what to do. Saturn may resort to constantly tearing the Mars person down through criticism and psychological abuse.
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It is common for Mars to feel Saturn is condescending and treats Mars like a child. Mars may become angry with this and lash out at the Saturn person. The cycle of criticism and conflict can soon become a vicious cycle. This aspect lends itself to verbally abusive relationships, and can even escalate into physical aggression.
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Since Mars is the planet of sex and physical energy, this aspect can also manifest into sexual problems for the couple. Saturn may find the sex disappointing, and Mars may sense this, and lose their sexual confidence. This is an aspect often found in the synastry charts of sexless marriages.

This description could actually be quite true. I can relate to it, but my reaction to him is different. He is very confident, assertive, and his style is alarming to me. Because of the feelings he arouses in me I can see how someone might want to get some control for the sake of their own sanity, but letting go is a discipline I have been assigned to master. He actually challenges me to be my greater self, to let go of my needs and fears. When I have, I have felt an amazing sense of accomplishment, and inspired to do more. And this is all taking place in the non-material realm.

So I think it's all right and true. Dynamite!

Oh and the sex being disappointing?

No.

That's all Saturn's got to say about that

posted March 23, 2015 02:19 PM            

Think about it this way: Mars is someone's sexual "appeal" and sexual drive. When connected to someone's Saturn (the positive side of someone's Saturn), it means this appeal triggers a long-term, stable, growing with time side in another person. Saturn is a planet getting better with time, one of its core meanings.

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posted March 23, 2015 02:26 PM            

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posted March 23, 2015 02:37 PM            

from Orange's thread:

"Famous long-term couples/great loves and hard Mars/Saturn aspects
Couples with obvious or well-known long-term physical chemistry

Wallis Simpson/Edward Windsor

her Mars opp his Saturn

Camilla/Charles
her Mars square his Saturn

Melanie Griffith/Antonio Banderas
her Saturn opp his Mars

Catherine Zeta/Michael Douglas
her Mars opp his Saturn

Iman/David Bowie
Mars/Saturn DW: conjunction and sextile

Jennifer Garner/Ben Affleck

Mars/Saturn DW: square and conjunction

Annette Bening/Warren Beatty

her Mars conjunct his Saturn

Brangelina
his Mars opp her Saturn

Liz Taylor/Richard Burton

his Mars square her Saturn
Mars conjunct Saturn in Composite

a famous oversexed couple - someone said bad sex with Mars/Saturn??

even the emblematic couple is on the list:

Joanne Woodward/Paul Newman

her Mars/Mercury square his Saturn (2)

plus a wide Mars square Saturn in the comp (8)

my parents, over 40 years of marriage, chemistry to cut with a knife;

Mars square Saturn DW (0) and (2)
composite Mars opp Saturn (2)

EDIT: Danny de Vito/Rhea Perlman
her Mars/Saturn square his Mars/Sun

Faith Hill/Tim McGraw
Mars opp Saturn

SJP/Matthew Broderick
Mars conjunct Saturn

Tracy Pollan/Michael J. Fox
Mars square Saturn
Mars quincunx Saturn"
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000807-3.html

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posted March 23, 2015 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I was saying: healthy, successful long-term marriages, great couples, with good long-term sex. Not dysfunctional, frustrating relationships. Actually, hard Mars/Saturn is an aspect for "sexual and attraction longevity"

Think about it this way: Mars is someone's sexual "appeal" and sexual drive. When connected to someone's Saturn (the positive side of someone's Saturn), it means this appeal triggers a long-term, stable, growing with time side in another person. Saturn is a planet getting better with time, one of its core meanings.

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Yeah. This is what I'm seeing. And when I express the positive sides of Saturn I also experience the positive side of Saturn as if it's positive expression from within myself, then acts upon me from with out like a calming or soothing...lol.

Yeah...and I think he likes it too. I can tell he knows I'm safe. Lovely feeling for me.

posted March 23, 2015 03:04 PM            

However, I do think this Mars-Saturn in synastry needs a balance in softer energies as well.
There is a difference if you combine Mars-Saturn with let`s say Pluto or Uranus on top of it, or if you have a relatively unafflicted Mars-Saturn combined with Sun-Jupiter and Moon-Venus aspectrs for example.

It`s possible easier though if both people are attuned to Venus/Saturn or Mars/Saturn.

However, while there are very supportive sides about that aspect, the shadow of it can be really dark and gloomy, and yes, it could be a sign of destructive energies, getting at each other`s throat, not understanding, even physical violence in some instances.

But ALL depends on the individuals involved and how the aspect itself is part of the overall synastry.

Just like a Sun-Venus-conjunction does not necssarily lead to love, a Mars-Saturn-square doe snot necessarily lead to destruction. It does not necessarily lead to longterm sex appeal either. It depends on the texture of the whole synastry and natal charts.

posted March 23, 2015 03:10 PM            

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posted March 23, 2015 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:

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haha which one to answer?

posted March 23, 2015 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
haha which one to answer?

Usually the 1st top3 are "Scorpio has dissapeared again...HEEELP"

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posted March 23, 2015 03:31 PM            

We have a DW soft aspect - sextile and quintile. Both of us have a Leo Mars, not conjunct. We are very affectionate and passionate together, and never miss an opportunity to get down and dirty.

posted March 23, 2015 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

or "how to catch this Pisces"

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posted March 23, 2015 05:19 PM            

Ex. My Mars Leo, trine Sun Aries and Jupiter Sag. A very independent Mars that requires no help. I don't *need* a hard saturn aspect.

Ex2. A mars in lets say Pisces, square Neptune and sextile Sun. This person could benefit from a saturn-mars conjunction to bring forth the independence given from Sun-Mars and to "drift back to earth", as they say. Helpful aspects to both planets in synastry would make it less of a choir.

I would never recommend a square or opposition if the person has a strong mars. I would laugh very hard if some guy tried to tell me how to "assert" myself, and then dump him fast.

posted March 23, 2015 06:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Lee, Liliya "Why does he stare at me ???"

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That's another good one

posted March 24, 2015 03:35 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
A veery short list with this aspect, and only with famous couples (I can't share my database where this aspect is almost ALWAYS present). There is a general misconception about this aspect, contradicted by reality (it wouldn't be the first time)

from Orange's thread:

"Famous long-term couples/great loves and hard Mars/Saturn aspects
Couples with obvious or well-known long-term physical chemistry

Wallis Simpson/Edward Windsor

her Mars opp his Saturn

Camilla/Charles
her Mars square his Saturn

Melanie Griffith/Antonio Banderas
her Saturn opp his Mars

Catherine Zeta/Michael Douglas
her Mars opp his Saturn

Iman/David Bowie
Mars/Saturn DW: conjunction and sextile

Jennifer Garner/Ben Affleck

Mars/Saturn DW: square and conjunction

Annette Bening/Warren Beatty

her Mars conjunct his Saturn

Brangelina
his Mars opp her Saturn

Liz Taylor/Richard Burton

his Mars square her Saturn
Mars conjunct Saturn in Composite

a famous oversexed couple - someone said bad sex with Mars/Saturn??

even the emblematic couple is on the list:

Joanne Woodward/Paul Newman

her Mars/Mercury square his Saturn (2)

plus a wide Mars square Saturn in the comp (8)

my parents, over 40 years of marriage, chemistry to cut with a knife;

Mars square Saturn DW (0) and (2)
composite Mars opp Saturn (2)

EDIT: Danny de Vito/Rhea Perlman
her Mars/Saturn square his Mars/Sun

Faith Hill/Tim McGraw
Mars opp Saturn

SJP/Matthew Broderick
Mars conjunct Saturn

Tracy Pollan/Michael J. Fox
Mars square Saturn
Mars quincunx Saturn"
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000807-3.html

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