posted April 25, 2015 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by comdoc:
I have natal Moon's Nodes square Saturn (orb<1), and Scorpio S. Node was last to cross Leo Saturn. Of note is that former fiance's Leo Moon is within 2 degrees of square to my Nodes. What does it all mean?

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SATURN is your SSP, in this case, with SNODE being the solution NODE. In short, you must first properly develop the SNODE in order to access the NNODE. It provides a remedial step, in other words.

posted April 25, 2015 09:36 PM            

That's going to take quite a bit to unravel, I'm sure you know. But your major players are her VENUS-MARS conjunction over your MOON, which is the SSP.

posted April 25, 2015 10:26 PM            

My SSP is CHIRON. 17°TAU'06. it was exactly square my mean NODES ten hours following my birth, and is at 0°09 orb in my natal. Otherwise, it's 1° square my true NODES. It's not been easy to understand how CHIRON operates as a skipped step, as the interpretations range from the classic 'wounded healer' mythos to being a maverick and outcast. I couldn't say I've failed to experience ostracism, or to blaze my own trail. Though, really, I can't say it truly kicked in until I was approaching 20 years old, studying forensic psychology, and training to enter the FBI Academy. That went into overdrive when I met my costar, boyfriend, and twin flame.

Thirteen years my senior, he has an SSP of his own: JUPITER. 07°LEO'11. It's just out of range of being conjunct my NNODE, which I find curious. Most of all, however, is an even more intriguing natal conjunction: TISIPHONE-HADES, 17°TAU'48-16°TAU'39, respectively. That's 0° conjunct my CHIRON, and, depending, either 0°15 (TISIPHONE) or 1°20 (HADES) square my NODES.

Suffice it to say, his TISIPHONE-HADES is a powerful 'reminder' of my skipped step, resulting in CHIRON. I've explored all sorts of ways to understand it, when the reality is that it takes deep meditation and self study. Ultimately, CHIRON is about healing; it's a wound -- a deep one. You could argue that his TISIPHONE-HADES reopens that wound -- hopefully, to heal.

So let's reconsider the principle of the skipped step. Try a little synthesis. This is my wound; I'm the one caught between the past and the future. A bit like a ghost. Or limbo. I can't move on or forward until I've settled the 'unfinished business'.

But what is that?

Some may be becoming aware that I wrote a story around age 20, which grew to encompass the climactic moment where the protagonist -- the novice federal profiler -- implores of the contagonist -- the veteran serial killer -- to go against his absolute principles as a vigilante, and to spare her life, pleading self-defence (at best) and her own vigilante motivation (at worst). To him, however, murder cannot go unpunished. Ever.

It destroys him that he is now required to take her life in the usual act of vengeance to which he is party, and so he freezes them both within that singular moment with the hopes that they are able to avoid it in the future, playing out scenario after scenario for a very long time.

I honestly hadn't made the connexion until I was routinely doing our synastry. First, it was his SATURN in my 8H (which can indicate that SATURN could be responsible for the 8H's death), which is square my own TISIPHONE-LACHESIS conjunct his SUN. Hmmmm. Then his TISIPHONE-HADES conjunct my CHIRON -- none other than my skipped step.

Do I even need mention it's also 3° conjunct my PREY?

Funny thing is, despite the age of this project, I'd never ONCE considered that he'd actually killed her. No. Absolutely not. Ultimately, he loves her. They've been through so many life-changing and exceptional ordeals together, as best friends, mentor and protégé, partners -- even controversial lovers. When it all came down to the wire, there was no possible way. I refused to believe it. And yet, talking with my earliest cast members, who originated some of the roles, they said they ALWAYS knew he was capable. That he always could have -- simply due to his inability to go against his own code. They asked why I found it so hard to believe that he could. That, perhaps, I just didn't WANT to see it?

And I began to wonder ...

Despite their wide orb of conjunction, CHIRON square the NODES with PREY as its immediate descriptor, conjunct another's TISIPHONE-HADES ... that does sound a bit like one who hasn't accepted their own murder. Back to the spectral perspective -- one who can't come to terms with the trauma (CHIRON) that's resulted from being murdered (PREY) by a vigilante killer (TISIPHONE-HADES).

Perhaps I am completely off-base, but that's how it began to come together for me. Now, whether I WANTED it to? That's a VERY different thing. It's taken YEARS for me to come THIS far with it.

Nonetheless, that could be one interpretation.

posted April 25, 2015 10:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Then there are those of us with a natal grand cross...

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You've got CHIRON square your NODES, too, don't you? And your VENUS is within orb.

... conjunct RILEYCENNIS (1°).
... with PENDERECKI conjunct PLUTO (2°) (and my JABBERWOCK)
... and ... ALICE 5° from your SNODE, rising, from the 12H ...
... and MADHATTER conjunct SATURN (0°)
... and, of course, his SUN also on your TISIPHONE (and LACHESIS?)

I've never run the Carrollian asteroids in your chart before, BW. Because, why would I?

... Or ... should I say ...

... Dee ...?

posted April 25, 2015 10:33 PM            

OH. RIGHT.

:: covering face ::

No. Friggin'. Way, K. No. Way.

Right? I mean ... NO. WAY.

posted April 25, 2015 10:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
You've got CHIRON square your NODES, too, don't you? And your VENUS is within orb.

... conjunct RILEYCENNIS (1°).
... with PENDERECKI conjunct PLUTO (2°) (and my JABBERWOCK)
... and ... ALICE 5° from your SNODE, rising, from the 12H ...
... and MADHATTER conjunct SATURN (0°)
... and, of course, his SUN also on your TISIPHONE (and LACHESIS?)

I've never run the Carrollian asteroids in your chart before, BW. Because, why would I?

... Or ... should I say ...

... Dee ...?

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posted April 25, 2015 10:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Aside from TWEEDLEDEE-MOON, that's right. My story's different from yours, though. My cross is a nagging presence in my life that I just can't get rid of.

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Oh, totally. It's all at 13°, which is, frankly, a relief. I can't help but wonder, given the rarity of your coming into town when you had and meeting him. About as bizarre as he and Fate meeting. It does seem like subtle nods. Acknowledgements of a kind, I suppose.

Wow. I never noticed you have RILEY / PENDER aspects. Crazy. We've been in each other's hair in so many capacities and lifelines, it's ... really something. I guess we're consolidating here.

I disagree that you can't clear the Cross. You can. My MERC is there (along with my LEWISCARROLL-DESTINN ... I'm just saying) atop your VENUS by 3°, but tightly square your NODES, 1°.

Huh. What was the whole point of Dee and Riley's 'story' anyway? I have to admit, I don't really know. Bits and pieces. Here and there. But that's it. Her big presence in one line, but the rest is ... vague.

posted April 25, 2015 11:18 PM            

I'm assisting with ADR today for a friend's feature, and it's got some similar themes to the Jabberwocky line. His protag is also trying to reclaim the other subjects' identities. I just stumbled into it, and now I'm thinking, that can't really be coincidence -- can it?

I had just been thinking, looking at the VENUS/MERC square your NODES, and thinking of YOUR CHIRON conjunct MY CHIRON skipped step, and I thought 'we're both wounded.' Note, also, that your MERC is square my NODES as well, on both of our URA.

Individuality. Freedom.

Going out on a limb here, but, perhaps, if you were Dee, then ... I failed you. If I ran, I failed you. If I stayed, then we likely all died -- especially him.

VENUS conjunct RILEY. RILEY is square your NODES, by 2°, and conjunct my LEWISCARROLL-DESTINN, 0°.

I won't fail you anymore, K. I know I haven't been around much these past two years. We're both struggling to get a foothold -- somehow, some way -- and we came in with a crop of souls ready to clear out the dross and do big things.

I'll always be here to help you do your big things; regardless of what was, it wasn't, or even is now. That's a promise, though. It is.

I never thought about it in terms of failing you before somewhere. Of the consequences of 'following my heart' even though his lesson was to do just that. But mine? Was it to adhere to a cause and follow it through without question?

What are we all here for? The disenfranchised souls of this and that? Or is that just ... life? Is that just status quo? Is there nothing so remarkable about the fact that my life is a less graphic form of Higurashi? At least here, that is. And thank God for that.

posted April 25, 2015 11:32 PM            

She DID fail them!

Each timeline is connected to the one which immediately precedes it -- regardless of their number. So, she failed them; either by fleeing (in a moment of weakness, or impulse?) or fighting for their lives, and dying a valiant death. But who's to say which it is? All I know is 'she failed'.

Well, I suppose time will fill in the further details. It always does. It's been 15 years, though, nearly. I'm ready to complete and produce it. Ah, but so much can be seen in so little. How remarkable is this cosmic science of ours? I'm always a bit in awe.

Do you have more pressing Atlantean karma? I feel I resolved the bulk of mine from 2010-2013.

In any case, your JABBERWOCK is 1° square my NODES, and conjunct my opposite skipped step (polarity point) -- my LILITH (2°). It's also conjunct his VESTA, at 1°30.

posted April 25, 2015 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne

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I know you're talking to BW, but the "K" thing is confusing. We're going to have to start calling her K1 and me K2.

posted April 26, 2015 12:00 AM            

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Originally posted by loffra180:
I know you're talking to BW, but the "K" thing is confusing. We're going to have to start calling her K1 and me K2.

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posted April 26, 2015 05:22 AM              

do we move the nodes forward, despite them being retrograde most of the time?

BTW are you using mean or true Node?

Interestingly using mean Nodes Mr Sag has ALMOST a skipped step.
His MErcury is square his nodal axis by 6°49

And also using mean nodes it puts his Mercury on the same degree as my mean North Node (0°04) and Neptune (0°34)

Which is also the degree our first meeting chart`s ASC falls on (in fact fmc ASC is conjunct my mean North Node by 0°07)

Sabian:
A Theatrical Representation Of A Golden-Haired Goddess Of Opportunity

And FMC`s Saturn is on the same degree as his mean North Node (0°32)

Sabian:
Two Guardian Angels

posted April 26, 2015 07:19 AM              

The exact conjunction before my birth took place on 27th december 1972, You KNOW whose birthday was just 2 days after that date, right?

Oh and the resolving Node is the North Node.
The conjunction taking place on 16°52 Capricorn
(opposing my natal Saturn, and being on its polarity point).

Interesting. Of course that means that the chart that accompanies the "resolving nodal conjunction" is pretty much the same as the birth chart of Dr Faustus

What has HIS birth chart to do with MY resolving Node?

Maybe I was looking up the wrong synastry for that skipped step phenomenon?

As for him here, he might have a wide skipped step in the form of Chiron (3°59) and Uranus (5°49)

for him, if we consider these wide aspects, the resolving conjunctions would have been

posted April 26, 2015 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
SATURN is your SSP, in this case, with SNODE being the solution NODE. In short, you must first properly develop the SNODE in order to access the NNODE. It provides a remedial step, in other words.

Was your former fiancée's MOON conjunct your SATURN?

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Does proper development of Scorpio SN near IC imply creating a home and family life? If so, I see a Catch-22: that's my goal, but how can that happen without a life partner?

Yes, her Moon 17Leo32 between my Saturn 15Leo46 and my Mars 19Leo37. My Pluto 12Leo34 completes my Leo stellium above the eastern horizon. (Asc 23Leo20) Pluto (and Mars) are rulers of Scorpio IC.

Her Moon on my Saturn/Mars midpoint; Ebertin's interp sounds AWFUL. But our romantic relationship was heavenly. Her Leo Moon was in my relocated 5H, trine my relo Aries Sun (ruler of relo 5H).

Thanks, Auby.

posted April 26, 2015 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
House cusps? No. Larger asteroids, such as CERES, VESTA, JUNO, and PALLAS -- possibly.

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Actually, I don't have anything square my NODES. I mean nothing. At all.

My NN falls at 9° LEO 49', so I should be looking for something, anything from 4°49' to 14°49' SCO/TAU. But, seriously, I have nothing there, natally. Not even a stellium of asteroids I had kept in mind, or just a single asteroid I'd already looked up. Just my H3 Cusp at 12° SCO 12.

So I went to that wonderful website, serennu.com, that had helped with the discovery of AMBROSIA, as it had a 'default' list of the few dozens of largest and most influential asteroids, and I was curious to see what I had as a skipped step.

Well, heck. What do you know -- it has changed. We now have to subscribe via Paypal to access the 'Astrology Chart with minor planets' option.

... So, after a few minutes of entering random asteroid numbers on astro.com, I found I had ELATUS (31824) at 6° TAU 08', NIOBE (71) at 7° TAU 24', and KLOTHO (97) at 8° SCO 17'.

ELATUS, according to Phil Sedgwick :
« Expression of self and ego through word and writing. Positive : excellent communication, articulate, precise. Negative : verbose, boastful, shallow in conversation. »

Surprisingly accurate, and emphasized by CHIRON in my H3 (and Scorpio Mercury ? Introverted ?).
You know I really admire your H3 MOON, Auby.

NIOBE, according to Martha Lang-Wescott :
« The asteroid,Niobe, then stands for an inordinate "pride in fertility and in children". It shows the perils that attend such an investment in one's children or procreative ability and indicates hard lessons in learning humility and detachment. It can show loss of children, separation from children, and long term grief.

Where retrograde, the individual often is the instrument of his parents' learning regarding pride and ego-investment in children (them !) as delineated by the remainder of the aspect pattern. There is often inner fear of fertility and parenthood or some sorrow in connection with birth, virility, creativity, or children. »

... Guess what motion mine's in.

posted April 26, 2015 12:59 PM            

I have a stellium sq. NN, and my partner's Uranus conj. stellium.

posted April 26, 2015 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Actually, I don't have anything square my NODES. I mean nothing. At all.

... So, after a few minutes of entering random asteroid numbers on astro.com, I found ...

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Oh, Pel. Sometimes I really feel as if I'm an agent of Promethean fire. Heh. It's a lovely thing to NOT have outstanding, truly difficult karma, and simply be free to develop the NNODE without too much fuss. You're clearly ahead of your time, and likely here to present beautiful music to the world, and demonstrate your talents in a number of ways.

One thing it seems you're not here to worry over, or have to sort out, is a heavy interpersonal karma.

The lovely thing about not having a skipped step is that no one's going to come along and activate, aggravate, or illuminate it.

Clearly, you want knowledge; you're seeking enlightenment. Consider delving more deeply into your PLUTO as a way to understand 'fallback behaviours' and karmic habits. The 'desires which drove us' in the past -- upon which we rely now, as an automatic default -- because of the situations, scenarios, and issues presented by or inherent within the SNODE. And MARS shows us how these will be consciously expressed.

Once you've got the gist of your PLUTO (which may take awhile) you can focus upon its Polarity Point, which directly opposes it, and anything which may fall there.

That was a remarkable insight for me, as I'd been rather flummoxed about my JABBERWOCK being 0º conjunct my PLUTO -- even though SIVA conjunct his, and trine TISIPHONE-HADES made sense. But taking PLUTO into account as a 'karmic fallback' or a 'default' behaviour or set of habits suddenly made that click for me -- deeply.

posted April 26, 2015 10:25 PM            

NN in 2nd house cancer
Moon in cap conjunct my SN (4)

Saturn exalted in libra square my nodes (2)
Karma opposite Saturn and square my nodes (1,0)

What gives?!

Edit:

I should add, in the past, I was directed to this article about Saturn square the nodes: http://astrodynamics.net/psychological-inheritance-and-the-lunar-nodes/

I can relate to what is said about a psychological inheritance 100%. It's crazy how true it is. I was in awe when I read it. Hence the name, "ReachingForTheStars!" It would be interesting to know how this relates to synastry. My chart is all about relationships. I've never really felt worthy of anyone I was attracted to... Sighs! Feels as if this reach for the stars begins from the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

My husbands moon/MC opposite Jupiter/IC conjuncts my karma opposite Saturn.