posted April 27, 2015 04:01 AM            

So I looked at the additional tables page, and I find that I do infact have a skipped step. It's very accurately placed IMO: True Node squared Mercury(9th House).

Since Mercury rules Communication, and the 9th house rules philosophical views. The very stupidly simple analysis would be that in order to resolve my "karma", I have to be outspoken about what I believe.

But, I SUCK at conversation(which is why I believe Sidereal to be more accurate. Mercury is in Pisces in Sidereal, it's detriment AND fall).

I often think to myself: "What does the other person think?" Of certain subjects, of me, etc. Either they accept me and that's perfect, or they reject me and they're just playing me for the fool.

Not knowing what the other person's thinking, and believing that conversation can only truly begin once you know that, I often struggle to come up with something, ANYTHING.

It also doesn't help that I'm not the most socially active, or up to date person in the world. And that many topics of mine include politics, etc. I always as a kid gravitated towards adults, rather than kids my own peer.

There's of course sex(8th house Sun). But that doesn't get very far, certainly not unless you're intimate.

Ironically, Asteroid Compassion(in Scorpio) squares my Mars/Saturn in Aquarius.

(It also trines my Sun). I believe the Compassion-Sun trine(1 degree orb, I think it fits) is what propels my humanism, my kindness.(Especially as a child).

But the tight Mars/Saturn square is also what splashed cold water on it and made me heavily combative.

I find it funny that with all of the emphasis(and certainly mine) on a relationship, that the true node is in the 6th House. Work, health, etc.

I'm fairly decent health wise. Could I get better? Sure, probably. Would it feel good? Probably. I do in fact need to get employed and some kind of workable income, so that I could build towards other things.

But right now, I'm a 23 year old male whose devoid and empty inside, without that special person called your significant other. Family doesn't and can't fill the void. And I feel like if it were 'her', the love of my life would be capable of kicking my ass into high gear.

posted April 27, 2015 03:46 PM            

NN at 20° CAP 02'
SN at 20° CAN 02'

MARS at 18° LIB 05'
URANUS at 19° LIB 45'

CHIRON at 14° ARI 10'

As far as I can recall, I don't have anything on his MARS-URANUS (SUN at 24° LIBRA ?), but I do have :

duad ASC (mine) at 14° ARI 00'
vertex AMBROSIA (his) at 14° ARI 03'
natal AMBROSIA (mine) at 14° ARI 59'

And I found it interesting that our second CHIRON-AMBROSIA conjunction (0°08', partile) is square my VERTEX Axis (0°22' -- 0°30', still partile), while the first is (widely) square his NODAL Axis.

posted April 27, 2015 04:44 PM            

I had a similar case once.
natally my pluto square my nodes and his mercury square his nodes

My NN/SN 17leo/aqua
My pluto 17scorp
His venus opp moon 17 taurus/scorp
My dr jup opp uranus 18 leo/aqua
My sr vertex 17 scorp

My asc/desc 24 can/cap
His sn/nn 24 can/cap
His mercury 26 aries
My moon cjct mercury 25/26 cap
My dr vertex 24 cap
His dr venus opp moon cjc pluto 23 can/ 25 cap
His sidereal venus opp moon cjc pluto 24 aries/25 libra
My sideral SN/NN 23 can / 23 cap

My IC/MC 0 libra/ aries
His mars 29 gem
My draco pluto 0 cap
My sidereal asc/desc moon merc. 1 can/ cap
His sideral SN/NN 0 can/cap

posted April 27, 2015 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by LightandDarkWings:
But right now, I'm a 23 year old male whose devoid and empty inside, without that special person called your significant other. Family doesn't and can't fill the void. And I feel like if it were 'her', the love of my life would be capable of kicking my ass into high gear.

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Sounds like a very counterproductive approach to actualising your Aries MOON. Funny, as this is supposed to be what you already developed. Clearly, in your case, however, you haven't.

posted April 27, 2015 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Okay, now I'm really worried about Cyril.

NN at 20° CAP 02'
SN at 20° CAN 02'

MARS at 18° LIB 05'
URANUS at 19° LIB 45'

CHIRON at 14° ARI 10'

As far as I can recall, I don't have anything on his MARS-URANUS (SUN at 24° LIBRA ?), but I do have :

duad ASC (mine) at 14° ARI 00'
vertex AMBROSIA (his) at 14° ARI 03'
natal AMBROSIA (mine) at 14° ARI 59'

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There's just nothing really there, Pel. I'd not consider positions from the Vertex chart, dwads, or anything else when evaluating the skipped step. Only the natal synastry once the sufficient qualification for a skipped step has been met in the initial natal.

However, if that IS your SUN you're referencing, at 24º LIBRA, then a 4º square to his NODES with a 6º conjunction from a planet to a planet is a sufficient qualification for a skipped step.

In any case, it's certainly no cause for worry, per se. Even in instances of a heavy outstanding karma, the solution is to understand its nature and how to best resolve it. That can range from acknowledgement to specific action. It depends upon the skipped step and the actual circumstances in which both are involved.

Going with your SUN at 24º LIB being a legitimate skipped step, as you're feeling so driven to 'resolve' something, perhaps a contract exists in which you're to help him actualise and individualise himself. URANUS (a bit like CHIRON, without the wounding) never broke from the herd to do its own thing; he never allowed himself to be an individual, and a pioneer, and a freethinker. MARS was also stunted in form of drive -- limited in some way. Hindered.

Perhaps a lifeline exists between you where you selfishly (SUN) refused him his independence, which, in turn, prevented him from fully accessing his drive to actualise. Or, he may have been obligated to you in some fashion (though, that tends to be SATURN) which prevented him from striking out on his own and becoming his own person.

I can see how the two of you have a skipped step between you, which mostly impacts him, if we widen the orb (which is acceptable in evolutionary astrology) to encompass your SUN at 4º square to his NODES. And, just a baseline interpretation, that's how I could envision it having played out.

Remember, how we can play out a scenario again and again in some manner, until we've finally learnt its lessons. Forgive my saying so, sweetheart, but you are very possessive of this man. And, given the circumstances, it seems not only unfounded but rather misplaced. It's as if you're operating on a level where you perceive him as your property, or beholden to you, or belonging to you.

But look at the skipped step. Look at its nature. Look what he failed to do, or did not complete. URANUS. MARS. Freedom, independence, and drive. Look at your automatic instinctive reactions to him. Possession. Control. Insecurity.

posted April 27, 2015 05:53 PM            

The placements are:
His Mercury - 12LIB33
His NN - 10CAN57

My Juno - 12LIB00R
My Mars - 12ARI42
My Venus - 14ARI01

So there is that. A Cardinal grand cross.
We have two grand crosses in synastry actually. The other one involves my Nodal axis but I don't have SSP in my natal so I won't go over it.

You know, Auby how I've been telling you that we are going no where?? This is the root of the issue. He's not good with communication or maybe very conservative. If my Aries Mars/Venus opposition is illuminating like Ceri says, it totally makes sense. My assertiveness helps and teaches him to communicate with me more. In fact, I have to always initiate conversation. I know he will respond. And it will be the key to starting a committed relationship. My Juno says it all! It's on his damn Mercury!

But I can't always initiate... I want to see more action from his side. My EGO is really stopping me from reaching out to him I think. His Chiron squares my Sun, Moon and Mercury... What can I say??

posted April 27, 2015 07:02 PM            

+ a karmic bad habit
+ a failure to actualise the point
+ a traumatic event
+ an incomplete lesson

How we approach the skipped step has as much to do with our understanding it as the nature of the point itself. We also have to remember that it's locked into a battle with the NODES, and not all points, nor axes, are created equal; nor should they be treated as such. If the point, for example, is to be solved by the NNODE, then it differs from how it might operate were it to be solved by the SNODE.

Imagine a road; our skipped step is contained in a vehicle travelling along it, leaving the SNODE behind, with its destination being the NNODE. But it runs out of fuel -- or there's something wrong with the engine. It might merely be delayed, or get totalled by another point (opposite the axis) seemingly out of nowhere, or be unable to carry it any further. Being halfway along, it's also got to make a decision: forward or back? It's equidistant, recall. So the point has to figure -- do I return to where I've been, or do I carry on, despite my being stranded or delayed or impeded? Presuming the skipped step has a perfect understanding of what's best for it (for theoretical purposes) the 'solution NODE' may be what first comes to mind. So, depending upon its orientation, that's returning to the SNODE or trudging on towards the NNODE.

JUPITER is a popular enough skipped step, I've noticed, so let's have a look at some potential ways a skipped JUPITER might play out, with its solution being NNODE versus SNODE -- heading on, or going back. It also varies in terms of what's a bad habit versus a traumatic event or a missed opportunity. In this way, the 'skipped step' can be a misleading principle. What if it's a bad habit? Something to which we're attached and can't quite let go -- even if it's outlived its utility? In this way, nothing has been skipped -- it's acting as a crutch; something that needs to be overcome.

Here are some off-the-cuff examples of JUPITER operating in a few different capacities in this way:

BAD HABIT

Dishonesty
Fanaticism / Extremist Principles or Beliefs
Egocentrism
Exaggerations / Distortions of Personal Truth

FAILED ACTUALISATION

Honour
Ideology
Lawfulness
Expansion
Mercy
Benevolence
Justice
Judgement
Perspective
Fame
Philanthropy
Philosophy

TRAUMATIC EVENT / INCOMPLETE LESSONS

Blind Optimism
Moral Dilemma
Bad Conscience
Extremism / Fanaticism
Delusions of Grandeur
Recklessness
Conceit
Extravagance
Intellectualism / Intellectualisation

KARMIC THEMES

Law / Legality
Justice
Conscience
Morality
Truth
Faith / Belief / Philosophy
Trust
Success
Higher Education
Wisdom
Knowledge

... and the list goes on and on and on.

Overall, however, we see a tremendous difference between an improperly actualised JUPITER ('bad habit') versus a 'skipped step' JUPITER: failed opportunity, loss, or failure to completely actualise.

posted April 27, 2015 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
His Mercury - 12LIB33
His NN - 10CAN57

My Juno - 12LIB00R
My Mars - 12ARI42
My Venus - 14ARI01

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Wow! We're down to minutes here; your JUNO's smack on his MERC. When I see these very obvious cases of former involvement that's having an impact in the present, I have to ask, 'what could be perceived as remnants of the past that are operating in the present?' With an outstanding karma, it's usually an undercurrent in the current association or dynamics. MERC represents his SSP -- which may have to do with communication, siblings, or, as you identified, with it being his chartruler -- his personal outlook.

A necessary tangent, I feel, when the SSP is also the chartruler. There's a special relationship there, as it has all sorts of interesting karmic implications. Some argue it'll be out future SUN, or it's our SUN elsewhere, or tied to our evolutionary growth (like the NNODE) as 'what we're here to develop'.

So think on that for a second. Our dear SSP hasn't just become stranded -- but has also taken an arrow to the knee. In short, there's a LOT stunting personal growth here, and we're liable to find stunting in the personality -- since the ASC is involved (chartruler). Not only is the growth of the NODES inaccessible, but the skipped step is actively impacting the present personality. Wow! That's pretty rough.

Now, we can approach MERC in the same fashion we did JUPITER; is it genuinely skipped and requiring development, or was it misused needing purification and reorienting? Best to see if MERC's solution NODE is SNODE or NNODE, as we can determine if he misused his MERC or just failed to actualise it.

Next, we see your JUNO involved: which is everything from committed relationships and marriage to ensuring fairness and equality in such relationships. Maybe he was slick-talking cheater, and you were the betrayed wife. Or you were the shrew that henpecked him until he could no longer find his voice. The field is wide open until we can narrow lack of development versus abuse of the energy. And, as stated before, there are a few ways to identify that: solution NODE and aspects to the SSP -- to start.

Check PLUTO, too. Does the 'karmic bad habit' seem to resonate with the skipped step? That'll provide insight as well.

Now, going forward -- it's tough to say. You're experiencing delays because he won't commit to one course of action or the other, and his reticence seems to blame. Of course, the Libran MERC is already oriented towards harmony -- and JUNO in LIBRA is a naturally gifted interpersonal diplomat, able to see injustices and imbalances and strive to correct them.

posted April 28, 2015 02:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Sounds like a very counterproductive approach to actualising your Aries MOON. Funny, as this is supposed to be what you already developed. Clearly, in your case, however, you haven't.

Truthfully, the MOON is also your skipped step. We should examine that. I've yet to meet a lunar Aries that isn't fiercely independent; traits they've developed, no doubt.

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posted April 28, 2015 03:51 AM            

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Originally posted by LightandDarkWings:
How is my Moon a skipped step if I may ask? It's not squaring my node natally.

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Actually, it is.

This branch of astrology, along with the karmic specialty, uses much wider orbs as a rule (strangely). 10°, in fact, which is acceptable, as they are planets. I keep it to 5° for my own edification, since we don't want to expand asteroids beyond 3°30, in most general cases.

posted April 28, 2015 06:40 AM              

thank you for this very interesting post.

In my case Jupiter IS my skipped step, and judging by the orb, it is a pressing matter (1°03).

I am not exactly sure what the skipped step really was, the overindulgence or the opposite, the failed actualization.

I do find it HIGHLY interesting though that my Jupiter is in Pisces.
The Resolution-Node, is the NORTH node, which is disposited by that Jupiter, it squares.
To make the matter even more interesting to me, Neptune is conjunct my North Node (0°13), and naturally Jupiter and Neptune are in mutual reception and square each other (1°16)

Of course Jupiter disposits also most of my personal planets (except the female archetypes incidentally!) and ASC - so Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC - all disposited by Jupiter.

Another thing I notice and start thinking more and more it might be important and this skipped step might not be just a Jupiter-Neptune-thing, but should be seen in relation to that conjunction of Jupiter and CERES (1°35)

CERES herself squares the nodal axis by 0°32, and Neptune by 0°19

So Jupiter-Ceres it is, hmm?

Sort of brings to mind how I have no children of my own, right?

having a glimpse at the Draco chart (favorising the usual Draco chart here, as my resolution NOde is the NORTH Node, had it been the South node, I would have taken the opposing degree into account), I checked what my skipped step planets are doing there, cause this is the nodal chart, it probbly has some suggestions as to how or what to develop some more (maybe showing a way HOW to resolve it?)

Draco Jupiter 1°03 Cancer
which is so unbelievably fitting for the Jupiter-Ceres-symbolism.

But

Draco CERES 29°28 Gemini

And well Draco Neptune is on 29°47 Pisces, on the finishing-up side of the Aries point (any planet conjunct NN has to be around 00 Aries, but maybe it makes a subtle difference if the planet is on the Pisces side or the new cycle Aries side).

Tracing this back to my natal once again, I try to ignore the conjunction to my tropical NESSUS on 28°13 Gemini, but I do notice that this opposes my tropical VESTA on 1°22 Capricorn (well Draco Jupiter does at least)

posted April 28, 2015 07:02 AM            

Your threads are always fascinating, and eye-opening! I've been researching my Skipped steps, but the information you've provided here is much deeper than anything I've read so far.

I have a Saturn-Uranus conjunction square my Nodes, with Chiron sitting opposite them (and squaring the Nodes too). My Saturn-Uranus conjunction is part of a big 11H Stellium (with Capricorn Sun, Neptune and Mercury), and rules my chart (Aquarius AC), so it's pretty significant on its own and the fact that it's a skipped step which is dominating my chart makes it something I've been a little obsessed in trying to figure it out. The exact degrees:

NN: Pisces 26°56' 1st House
SN: Virgo 26°56' 7th House
Saturn: Sagittarius 25°16' 11th House
Uranus: Sagittarius 27°33' 11th House
Chiron: Gemini 25°15' 5th House

By using the anti-clockwise method, I should be resolving my Saturn-Uranus skipped step through my SN, and my Chiron skipped step through my NN. Since my SN is in the 7H, then it must be very important in terms of synastry. I'll check for correlations in past relationships.

Overall, this seems to be showing heavy karma, don't you think?

posted April 28, 2015 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Actually, it is.

This branch of astrology, along with the karmic specialty, uses much wider orbs as a rule (strangely). 10°, in fact, which is acceptable, as they are planets. I keep it to 5° for my own edification, since we don't want to expand asteroids beyond 3°30, in most general cases.

So your 12° ARI MOON certainly is square your 07° CAP/CAN NODES, and thus a skipped step.

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Which also means my Mercury also squares my South Node as well. So Moon(Feelings) and Mercury(Communication) are skipped steps.

I have to, in this lifetime express my feelings in order to move ahead in the social/soul ladder. It's time to stop hiding(Cancer) and start doing(Capricorn)

Inside Sidereal, it would be to stop talking about it(Gemini South Node) and start exploring(Saggitarius North Node)

posted April 28, 2015 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
SATURN is your SSP, in this case, with SNODE being the solution NODE. In short, you must first properly develop the SNODE in order to access the NNODE. It provides a remedial step, in other words.

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posted April 28, 2015 05:35 PM            

I can't let go. At least not right now. Yes, I was possessive, the first two years or so. He was mine, I thought. Nobody was allowed to touch him. He belonged to me, and the reason was so simple -- I loved him so much. As you'd imagine, I was crushed when other women got too close to him, or when he got too close to other men. But now... it's not the same. I obviously can't stay motionless when such things happen, but I love him in a different way. Heck, this will sound cliché, it already sounds cliché, but all that matters to me is his safety. His happiness. I don't even care anymore if he'll love me or not -- all I want is to protect him, to stay beside him whenever he needs me. He can have as many partners as he wants, right in front of my nose, it won't matter. I'd sacrifice anything for him, because ... I don't see the point in life anymore.

I mean, really ? What is there to live for ? Hmm, say ... something ambitious, like ... a scientific discovery ? Oh, okay, fine. And ... what's the use ? What's pushing you to do it, unconsciously ? I don't know, public recognition ? Or maybe, a higher self-esteem ? No offence, but ... how ... incredibly ... small ... that is. Hell, it's just a lifetime on Earth ... What's the big deal ?

I know, I'm messed up. I'm so messed up, according to social norms. It's pathetic. Hell, dump me in a lunatic asylum, I'll be happier there. You know how I'm gonna end up, Auby ? I'm not gonna commit suicide as a teenager, oh no ! That'd be too sad. « Oh, another sick depressive teenage lolita who commited suicide for her first puppy love. » or « Oh, the poor girl was abused and bullied ... She couldn't live with it ! » Oh, no. No, no, no. I'm gonna grow up, and keep hoping, I don't know for what, but I'll keep hoping. Listening to people like you, Auby, who are truly an inspiration for me. And then, in my forties, as a full grown woman, once I would have played all my cards, I'll go. Because leaving at that age means that we suffered and fought against it, but we were still too weak.

Pathetic, right ? Oh, that's how depressive INFJs end up. Did you see Adrien Brody ? I knew from the beginning he was an INFJ. We share the same degree for the ASC, IC, VERTEX, ALMA, PRIAPUS, BML. Did you see him with his girlfriend ? Lara Lieto. Just look at them. Look at how much he loves her. He could give his life for her, I know it. If ever he doesn't have her anymore, I can almost guarantee he'll end up like Kurt Cobain. Oh, btw, Cobain's got the same angles, too, to the degree. If you get a chance, listen to Stromae's music (Alors on danse and Formidable). He's a Belgian artist, famous in many European countries for his harsh lyrics. I don't know about his other songs, but Formidable is subbed in English. It's a bit depressive, but yeah, close to how I feel.

Also ... I get that people have different views on life. Cyril obviously has different ones, and that's why I want to help him. I'm honestly ready to give my life for his sake -- what do I have to lose ?

But ... this is how I feel now -- hence the 'at least not right now' at the beginning of my messed up post. I might change my opinion. I'm in constant metamorphosis, just like everyone else. Oh, don't worry, Auby. I'll let go, in time. I trust my North Node enough for that.

posted April 28, 2015 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by LightandDarkWings:
Which also means my Mercury also squares my South Node as well. So Moon(Feelings) and Mercury(Communication) are skipped steps.

I have to, in this lifetime express my feelings in order to move ahead in the social/soul ladder. It's time to stop hiding(Cancer) and start doing(Capricorn)

Inside Sidereal, it would be to stop talking about it(Gemini South Node) and start exploring(Saggitarius North Node)

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Not ... necessarily. And, skipped steps don't apply to sidereal in the traditional sense. But we can clarify that later.

Reread my post about how the skipped step is analogous to travelling along a road; it's stuck between both points. It hasn't enough to go forward, nor is it convenient to track back. Ultimately, the NNODE is our path of evolution. Skipped steps provide added insight in regards to whether it should be developed consistently, as some skipped-steppers must ALSO retrieve the incomplete lessons or traumas wrought via the SNODE experiences in order TO move towards the NNODE.

posted April 28, 2015 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
[B] Wow! We're down to minutes here; your JUNO's smack on his MERC. When I see these very obvious cases of former involvement that's having an impact in the present, I have to ask, 'what could be perceived as remnants of the past that are operating in the present?' With an outstanding karma, it's usually an undercurrent in the current association or dynamics. MERC represents his SSP -- which may have to do with communication, siblings, or, as you identified, with it being his chartruler -- his personal outlook.

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It's his Sun ruler.. hehe.. but his SSP sure affects "him". If not his personal outlook then it's his Ego.. identity.

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A necessary tangent, I feel, when the SSP is also the chartruler. There's a special relationship there, as it has all sorts of interesting karmic implications. Some argue it'll be out future SUN, or it's our SUN elsewhere, or tied to our evolutionary growth (like the NNODE) as 'what we're here to develop'.

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So he really has to find out his purpose in this life time.. "What we're here to develop" is still very appropriate for him because it's his Sun we are dealing with. His being!

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In short, there's a LOT stunting personal growth here, and we're liable to find stunting in the personality -- since the ASC is involved (chartruler). Not only is the growth of the NODES inaccessible, but the skipped step is actively impacting the present personality. Wow! That's pretty rough.

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Yeah no kiddin'... I think this is pretty heavy. Does he even have a sense of direction.. I wonder... How does he see himself 5, 10, 15 years down the road. What does he want to achive in his life. What kind of person does he want to become. I feel like he's not really sure. Actually.. I wonder if he doesn't have much of ego to really figure it out even. What do you think? I know your interpretation was based on his Asc but when it's his Sun ruler it becomes a lot heavier in this theme.. Would you say?

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Now, we can approach MERC in the same fashion we did JUPITER; is it genuinely skipped and requiring development, or was it misused needing purification and reorienting? Best to see if MERC's solution NODE is SNODE or NNODE, as we can determine if he misused his MERC or just failed to actualise it.

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How do I find which node is the solution node? His SN is in CAP, 2H and NN is in CAN, 8H. I honestly don't know what he has to work on. Misuse vs. Abuse. Argh this one is hard to tell. There is definitely lack of communication but there must be underlying issue WHY he is not able to communicate well. Could it be his past abused caused him to misuse his Mercury energy? Ahhh.. so much to research on.

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Check PLUTO, too. Does the 'karmic bad habit' seem to resonate with the skipped step? That'll provide insight as well.

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Funny you mentioned Pluto... He is Scorpio Asc so Pluto is his chartruler. He has it in... dun dun dun... LIBRA! along with his Mercury and Saturn (which loosely conjunct Pluto)! Pluto is in his 12H... Karmic!! AND it's quincunx Chiron in Taurus, 7H, and Chiron is part of a t-square. Man he's got a lot going on... One more thing, he also has Mars in Scorpio, in 1H, adding more Scorpio energy.

Argh.. I don't like looking at his natals. I don't know why I feel repulsed to look at it. It's so messy!!

posted April 29, 2015 03:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Not ... necessarily. And, skipped steps don't apply to sidereal in the traditional sense. But we can clarify that later.

Reread my post about how the skipped step is analogous to travelling along a road; it's stuck between both points. It hasn't enough to go forward, nor is it convenient to track back. Ultimately, the NNODE is our path of evolution. Skipped steps provide added insight in regards to whether it should be developed consistently, as some skipped-steppers must ALSO retrieve the incomplete lessons or traumas wrought via the SNODE experiences in order TO move towards the NNODE.

So having MOON and MERC as skipped steps implies at first brush sibling karma. There's a likelihood that trauma through -- or a failed relationship with -- a sibling could be preventing full actualisation of the CAP NNODE. Whether you need to consistently (as that's the key) develop the NNODE or double back to the SNODE depends upon which is the solution NODE.

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Ah, Sibling Karma. A rather minor point in my life as opposed to my School life, but a karmic point nevertheless. I don't know why I never did explore upon it. Maybe because I didn't care, or because I wanted to separate myself from the family in the end.

It was like a hidden character in a story that I didn't care about(see: 7th House cluster. 6th House Uranus-Neptune and even Vertex is in the 5th)

But nevertheless, there is indeed significant family karma in my story. And so since you revealed it, I want to do you the honor of telling you.

-My grandmother aborted almost all of her kids, but one my mother. And it was long her wish that she would have a male child. Which brings us to...

-My mother was a bit heavily sexual(and I'd say her two sons, me and my brother inherited the trait. Though you already know about my sexual inversion in spite of that). So she ended up having three kids.
Me, being the first I got on my mom's nerves due to all of the treatments and stuff.

And me? She scared the heck out of me with her aggressiveness at that age. I remember unconsciously feeling like "WTF, stay away."

So my grandmother, who never had a male finally found her male in me, and she obtained legal custody. So the two of us would live happily together.

-From time to time, my brother would come over and visit. And the stark and contrast couldn't be more different(at the time). Simply put, he kicked my ass whenever he saw me.

-Those visits would soon stop(I have a sister too, and luckily our family relationship was a nice one.) but after living in a sanctuary for more than my teenage years, my grandmother decided to get married to a man, who I absolutely loathed at the time.

-Being "fair" to him, he had an outgoing heart who always tried to do the right thing. But he was heavily combative at the same time. As egotistic as I was, the dude brought people in and out of his own home. And did various other things that I would classify as either illegal or just plain stupid.

-It wasn't enough that he ruined the financial stability of our household, and kicking me down to second stature in the household. I had his dumb, ignorant kids to deal with. And he actually attacked ME over those damn brats. And I mean kicking me in the damn gut.

-As you can tell, I hated him dearly. I hated his children as well. They interfered with my closed domain(Cancer South Node). And the ONLY reason I add things like "He had a nice heart" is A: to try to remove resentment for the dead(he died of Cancer) and B: My grandmother loved the ******* even if I did not.

-Bringing us to the present day, my mother is suffering from a long-term terminal illness, and the range is anywhere from 2-5 years. Because of this, we decided to move the entire household together to this beautiful city in Levittown, PA.

So, remember that brother who kicked my ass like nothing? Totally different dude at 19(I'm 23). It's like we both understand that we're similar, but in different worlds. For him, his physique is everything and his world is that freestyle world. And I respect it(even if I didn't, I wouldn't have any say in the matter).

And he understood I'd never be macho, but he respects the fact that I'm an intellectual and now we often hang around(we even had a walk just yesterday.) We play ball together. It's a nice, settled ending to that domestic rivalry.

NOW it's my grandmother(the one who took care of me all these years) that I have domestic issues with. I feel as though she doesn't respect me at 23 years old, doesn't see me as an adult. And you know what? That's perfectly natural. Adults can never see their kids as adults, especially not if they're in the same household.

So I feel as though the antagonism between me and my grandmother, is a push towards the North Node. 23 year olds shouldn't be living with their family. I'm trying to build a career and a life, but it'll be a one day at a time thing.

And the mother I was scared of because of her assertiveness? She's still as assertive and as frank as ever, but now that assertiveness and that frankness comes off as a reality check for me, and a friend who understands the same struggles I have, growing up in the world without the kind of financial standing I'd like.

Like mom said herself, we have more of a friendship(or a brother) bond than a mother-son one, though in a sense its developing into one. I love her dearly and hope all the best in her recovery.

That's the story of my family's antagonism. Though the story would be a lot shorter(on my end anyway) if she didn't marry that man. My mom(biological) took my side on that and often said so.

It's the reason why I want to wait until I have the right partner. Something I forgot when I took that experiment I told you of, in order to release pent up sexual lust and frustration.

posted May 02, 2015 04:31 AM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:
Alright. I've read this is rare, but I have it: Karma as a skipped step. Dejanira and Nemesis are conjunct and square the axis as well.

Nodes: 25.49 Aquarius (NN) & Leo (SN)
Karma: 28 Scorpio
Dejanira: 23.59 Scorpio
Nemesis: 25 Scorpio
and Sun: 21.33 Leo

Probably explains why I'm so drawn to people with planets in late Taurus, the other side (aside from being my 8th house, trine Venus and Juno). My dad's Sun does, for instance.

How did you find whether you have to use your NN or SN to solve the skipped steps again? I think I got it explained once and got to the Scorpio end.

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Um.

Sorry but I noticed that your Nodes is EXACTLY the same as my twin's lol, right down to the degree.
He also has NN in Aqua 25°49.

posted May 02, 2015 04:48 AM            

NN/SN: Scorpio/Taurus 17°34
ASC/DESC: Leo/Aqua 14°20
Somnium: Leo 17°17
DNA: Leo 13°08
Hera: Leo 13°43
Frigga: Leo 14°01 (it's my karma to get married?)
Kama: Leo 16°32

(Virgo guy's Vertex: Aquarius 13°42)

(Virgo guy's Liebe: Aquarius 15°41)
(Virgo guy's Moira: Aquarius 12°44)
(Virgo guy's Atropos: Aquarius 18°41)
(Virgo guy's Lovejoy: Aquarius 12°59)
(Virgo guy's Urda: Leo 14°29)
(Virgo guy's Aeternitas: Leo 14°52)
(Virgo guy's Eureka: Leo 16°13)
(Virgo guy's Hypnos: Leo 17°37)
(Virgo guy's Medea: Leo 18°15)

(Cancer guy's Penelope: Leo 12°07)
(Cancer guy's Boda: Leo 12°32)
(Cancer guy's Vesta: Leo 14°03)
(Cancer guy's Parvati: Aquarius 15°34)
(Cancer guy's Nerthus: Aquarius 18°23)
(Cancer guy's Sweet: Aquarius 18°24)

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Virgo guy (aka TF)'s skipped steps:

NN/SN: Aqua/Leo 25°49
Somnium: Scorpio 25°46
Selene: Scorpio 24°50
Ixion: Scorpio 21°44
Spirit: Scorpio 22°26
Utopia: Taurus 21°06
Compassion: Taurus 22°5
Horus: Taurus 28°12

(Interesting that me and him both have Somnium as a skipped step and exact at that!)

(my Pluto: Scorpio 25°28)
(my SN: Taurus 17°34)

(my Persephone: Taurus 19°31)
(my Pallas: Taurus 22°19)
(my Rudra: Taurus 22°28)
(my Hestia: Taurus 22°49)
(my Devine: Taurus 24°33)
(my Freia: Taurus 27°17)
(my Memoria: Gemini 0°01)
(my Ixion: Scorpio 26'54)
(my Alma: Scorpio 28°35)
(my Serendip: Sagittarius 0°49)
(my Dulcinea: Sagittarius 0°56)

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Cancer boy (aka Moonboy, aka heartless douchebag)'s skipped steps:

NN/SN: Scorpio/Taurus 1°37
Rudra: Cancer 28°07
Don Quixote: Cancer 29°36
Paradise: Leo 0°49
Tara: Leo 2°02
Angel: Leo 4°05
Nymphe: Capricorn 29°06 (LOLOLOL this explains a lot)
Hygeia: Aquarius 2°22

posted May 03, 2015 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Neptunian Venus:
Um.

Sorry but I noticed that your Nodes is EXACTLY the same as my twin's lol, right down to the degree.
He also has NN in Aqua 25°49.

This is too bizarre lol.

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posted May 03, 2015 09:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Neptunian Venus:
Nymphe: Capricorn 29°06 (LOLOLOL this explains a lot)

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