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Faith
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posted June 27, 2015 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone ever had a confirmed experience of sharing a dream with someone? Where you talked about it afterwards and realized you both dreamed the same thing on the same night? And/or interacted with each other in this dream landscape?

If so, what is the relevant astrology (synastry, transits, etc) with that person and the dream incident?

Thanks for whatever you can tell me.

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Faith
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posted June 27, 2015 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I'm asking for too much.

Let me broaden the scope and invite stories of peculiar or intense dream interactions that either came true later or seemed to affect the relationship dynamics.

I have one story, I'll tell it later.

*suspense*

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GemBird82
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posted June 27, 2015 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Used to happen with my dad, 2-3 times (that I remember) we had the same dream. When I was around 15 years old... and after my 21 years it never happened again.

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posted June 27, 2015 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh great!

Anything special about your synastry with your dad, and transits?

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GemBird82
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posted June 27, 2015 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ Oh ! I never thought about a synastry chart being connected with such experience. Neither the transits.
But perhaps I should have done so?

Anyway, here's His chart.

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posted June 27, 2015 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ And mine

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posted June 27, 2015 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ Synastry

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posted June 27, 2015 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ Bye lol

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Faith
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posted June 27, 2015 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^

Wow, thank you for the charts! I feel spoiled now.

But it does make sense considering ~

-His moon-Mars on your Mars-Pallas
-He's a Scorpio with Pluto in the 8H
-His Neptune-MC conjunct your Pluto
-His Mercury on your IC-Uranus
-Your moon falls in his 12H. I wonder if his progressed sun was conjunct your moon when this happened...
-Your Neptune in his 1H. Your Neptune trine his Pluto-Pallas which falls in your 12H.

And probably stuff I'm missing!

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posted June 27, 2015 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^

- cPALLAS in his 8H and her 1H
- his NEPTUNE opening her 3H and cNEPTUNE in her 3H
- c8H cusp at 1° GEM, on her MC and opposite MERCURY-URANUS

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posted June 27, 2015 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Has anyone ever had a confirmed experience of sharing a dream with someone? Where you talked about it afterwards and realized you both dreamed the same thing on the same night? And/or interacted with each other in this dream landscape?

If so, what is the relevant astrology (synastry, transits, etc) with that person and the dream incident?

Thanks for whatever you can tell me.


Many times. I've not actually compared all of the charts yet, but I did cast them.

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posted June 27, 2015 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluejay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sister has been pregnant 3 times, and every time my mom and I dreamt that she was either pregnant or had a baby before we knew. On the same nights too, although the dream content was not identical. Sadly, she miscarried the first baby, which was due on my birthday. I knew as soon as she told me she was pregnant with that baby, that she would not have it, but I couldn't bring myself to tell her that. When I told my ex that she was pregnant, his first words were "She's going to miscarry". He has intuitive abilities also, but he's not really in touch with them, and usually ignores his intuition. I chastised him for saying that, since I would never have said that out loud, but I told him that I knew he was right. She miscarried in her second trimester .

I also had a dream weeks before my niece was born that she would be born early, and there would be complications with the delivery, but everything would be okay. I kept seeing the number 13, and she was due on the 16th. I told my sister she would give birth on the 13th, but it turns out she had her on the 3rd, 13 days early. There were complications, and she had to have an emergency C-section, but everything was fine.

Oddly enough, when I had the dream about her second pregnancy, her best friend was in my dream too. Her best friend had a baby 3 weeks after my niece was born. Usually my prophetic dreams are more symbolic than literal, but that one was a near exact glimpse of the future. When it actually played out, it was like deja vu, down to the smallest detail.

My mom, my sister, and I are all very intuitive. It runs in my family. We've had a lot of the same dreams, but they're usually about mundane, everyday events.

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posted June 28, 2015 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@bluejay:

Interesting! Is there anything that you, your sister, and mother have in common, astrologically?

@Aubyanne:

Same question ~ can you tell me what astrological factors might contribute to this phenomenon? I'm trying to get a more concrete sense of it. If I know of many cases of confirmed shared dreaming where one person's moon falls in another's 12H, for example, I might take it more seriously if my moon falls in another person's 12H and they give me indications that they've tapped into my dreams.

I'm trying to get a sense of probability for the dreams actually being shared.

@Peluches:

Good finds ~ thanks!

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posted June 28, 2015 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edited story

(Sorry if anyone missed it!)

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posted June 28, 2015 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is interesting.

I had that happening with a friend of mine once.
I was dreaming of a past life experience in Druidan times, participating in a ritual.
And she the next morning was telling me she was having had a vision about me, and telling me the same dream/ vision just from an outsider`s perspective, and while my dream more focused on a later part of the ritual, she saw the first part (though the middle was the same).


Her Sun-Saturn-MC is conjunct my Moon.
I think our composite has a Pisces-ASC.
Yes right Pisces ASC (exact on my Draco ASC) with Pluto on the DESC.

A Yod of

Pluto-DESC 25 Virgo in 7th
Neptune 27 Scorpio in 9th
to
Moon 27 Aries in 2nd

Moon on the Pluto/Neptune-mp
NOel Tyl calls the Pluto/Neptune-mp the supernatural midpoint I think. and yes of cours eit should be Neptune/Pluto-mp.

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Faith
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posted June 28, 2015 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool story Ceri and thanks for the astro-details.

I guess it's usually a moon thing, then. Moon conjunct sun, moon conjunct an angle...maybe the moon person is subconsciously attuned to the other person's psychic undercurrent, and that's how they dream alike. Or the same transits hit all luminaries and angles in a similar way.

Theories, theories

Anyway, that's really interesting about the Pluto-Neptune-moon yod.

I need to keep that in mind about Pluto-Neptune and check what it's doing in some charts...might be back later with findings

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GemBird82
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posted June 28, 2015 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Wow, thank you for the charts! I feel spoiled now.

~ Oh, no need to thank me, on the contrary, I should Thank You and Peluches for the clues given.

Yes, I think they might be working on a not-very common form of communication.

Here are my thoughts about this:
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Yesterday, I was thinking about this, and it seems like I found more coincidences about the same. You may be wondering what is it all about... well, to be honest, it wouldn't make so much sense for you, unleast you are familiar with the OverSoul / Higher-Self concept (which I'm not sure if it belongs to the Theosophical field, Philosophy or neither of them) In simple words, this concept postulates that our physical incarnation (geo-tropical) is a small fragment of our real-self, our True-self. Lots of hermetic text as the Kybalion, actually support this concept.
In any case, the closest 'physical map' that may prove the existence of the Higher-Self would be the Heliocentric chart. Since it doesn't have angles, nodes and no retrograde objects. Then it means it doesn't have a physical body, it's already free of any karmic bound and the density of the 3rd or lower planes. Of course, this is part of a pure deductive process.

So, let's see some more clues
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Okay, As shown, my dad and me share the same (3811)Karma placement, they are not conjunct, but even so, this is telling us that we both have to solve some issues related to Aries, specially me, because the 13th degree of the sign Aries is connected to a very ancient event, ( probably prior to the 'payback' that occassioned a flood )

The key to solve that pending Karma in this physical world would be, logically, in the ruler of Aries. Pluto, higher octave of the Martian energy. Transmutation/Rebirth and/or activation of DNA is needed, so, whenever Karma is not being solved due the mundane influence of the physical context, Seems like Pallas, Moon and Neptune act from what they are best for, L'inconscient (I can't remember which is the exact word - Edit - Unconscious activity of the mind? ) This is not clear for me, because at a certain point the OverSoul does not interfere in Human's will.

So, why am I mentioning with such emphasis the Higher-Self concept?
Because it seems the Souls (fragments of a whole) do only inherit certain capabillities of the Higher-Self, that would be the reason why do we need to interact so much with others in this life, to complete the task/experience our Higher-Self wants to do/live.
What one soul lacks, the other(Soul, twin, vast number of possibilities,etc ) seems to complement the lacking factor.

- I have this picture so far. A fragment of my Higher-Self is in my father, this clue has been inherited in this aspect:

~ Here's my Heliocentric, as you can see what has been inherited in me is the Neptune, Moon, Pallas influence.

So,
- I have the Mars/Pallas activity.
- My father has the Pluto/Pallas.
Both are key to solve the pending (3811) Karma in Aries, seems like the puzzle is starting to be solved !

~ Why sharing peculiar 'messages' with my Father and not with anyone else?. 1st - because mom wasn't there and 2nd - because the karma seems to be highly related to genetic factors as I implicitly said it before lol... ( I have some troubles with my Mercury, that's another reason why it seems I unconsciously use my Pallas or ask for help trough it.
What I'm not really sure, is that how often do different OverSouls interact, and if there's a difference (complexity) between a Higher-Self and another, perhaps iQ would know something about this. It's a very interest topic, indeed.

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posted June 28, 2015 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry if I sound a bit confusing, somehow I'm starting to think that the reason I speak in such different and even contradictory ways (sometimes) it's because I'm being helped by the other twin of the Sign Gemini. But that my friends, woud be in fact, kind of off-topic.
Oh, and I don't mind if someone thinks I'm just a crazy gal or that I have some "psychological definition"

If someone tells you, this is because I'm Bi-polar...

- Tell them that I'm Multipolar

~ Bye

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~ Il n'est rien de réel que le rêve et l'amour ~

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posted June 28, 2015 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith, @GemBird

Anytime.

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posted June 28, 2015 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gem, I believe the word is subconscious. Anyway, I got you. That was a very interesting and logical reasoning.

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Faith
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posted June 30, 2015 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely fascinating, GemBird.

I need to think about this more, run some charts from my own life and its people, to compare...be back later.

Thanks

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posted July 01, 2015 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again, that was a great read.

Following your line of reasoning (I think!)

1) Look at Karma links with parents
2) See how the rulers of Karma are aspected in respective charts
3) Check heliocentric for repeating themes.

Now, I get this:
Seems like Pallas, Moon and Neptune act from what they are best for, L'inconscient (I can't remember which is the exact word - Edit - Unconscious activity of the mind? ) This is not clear for me, because at a certain point the OverSoul does not interfere in Human's will.

But why this ~ why is it an inheritance?
Here's my Heliocentric, as you can see what has been inherited in me is the Neptune, Moon, Pallas influence.

I see that in the helio chart, you have Pallas conjunct Pluto, just like your father has Pallas-Pluto in his tropical chart. And these sets are sextile.

Plus, your Helio Pallas is tightly sextile helio Neptune, mirroring the sextile that your father has in his tropical chart.

AND in tropical: your Pluto conjunct his Neptune, your Pallas conjunct his moon. So the Pluto-Pallas theme is highlighted once again.

I just don't see how your moon fits in there? Unless you are counting that as a 10 degree moon-Neptune conjunction? Or the fact that your moon's ruler, Jupiter, is tightly conjunct your father's Saturn.

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posted July 01, 2015 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to hear that your mom wasn't there. I have a similar situation as my mother died when I was 14, so my father played a mothering role, and that is evident in our charts, I think.

So, trying to follow your example, just for fun and exploration, since I have no idea if my father dreamed the same dreams as me or not.

1) My Karma 17 Libra
My father's Karma 17 Sag

2) Respective rulers are Venus and Jupiter:

* My Karma ruler, Venus, is conjunct my father's Saturn-Pallas.
* My father's Karma ruler, Jupiter, is conjunct my Pallas.

OK I've already gotten my money's worth here!

Chart to illustrate:

And the composite:

Strange stuff about the composite:

* Composite sun conjunct my Venus-Neptune and my Dad's Pallas
* Composite Venus-Neptune conjunct my Dad's sun
* composite Pallas trine moon and Saturn, quincunx Pluto
* My father has a sun-Lilith conjunction; composite Lilith is conjunct my sun, while composite Jupiter is conjunct my Lilith.

3) Let's check the helio charts and see what that's about...

I'll put that in the next post...

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posted July 01, 2015 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Squares...more squares....it's the story of my life:

I have that wide Pluto-Karma conjunction in Libra, if you count 6 degrees orb.

* Helio Libra Pluto conjunct its dispositor, Venus
* Helio Pallas is conjunct my natal Jupiter and draconic Venus
* Helio Jupiter-Chiron quincunx Karma
* Helio Mars square Venus-Pluto Who knew? (I've never paid attention to this chart before.)
* Helio moon-earth conjunct my father's tropical Pluto

Now, this is crazy:

* My father's helio moon-Earth conjunct my helio Aries stellium.
* Aries' dispositor Mars is at 26 Libra, conjunct his tropical sun-Mars and my draconic Mars
* His helio Mercury is very tightly and possibly exactly to the minute conjunct my Mercury
* His helio Karma-Vesta in Capricorn; my tropical Vesta at 0 Aries conjunct his helio Jupiter-Uranus

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My Karma's dispositor, Venus, is afflicted in the helio chart ~ and that makes sense.

But my father's Karma dispositor, Jupiter, is not afflicted. Maybe he just earned better karma.

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posted July 01, 2015 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ Hmmm... theoretically speaking I don't think Squares matter that Much in the Heliocentric method. Negative Karmas can't be in such plane (which is another kick to fundamentalists). Hmm... perhaps that's why Babylonian Astrologers were so hated by Abrahamic faiths in that time (putting aside things as if They were "good" or "bad")
Oh, and I think I'm going to incarnate over 9000 times more (just saying in case someone gets a wrong picture about me)

~ I have to work now, it's around 9:00 am here, will be back here later.

P.S. Awesome Job Faith

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