posted June 28, 2015 09:04 PM            

It's literally a matter of degrees. But first, a little science lesson.

A GENERAL INTRODUCTION TO MULTIDIMENSIONAL THEORY

As a quantum theorist, I've studied the nature of reality from the hyperdimensional perspective for over a decade; I came to understand the nonlinear nature of time at some point later, though its contemplation was hardly novel. As an astrologer, I began to comprehend the chart as a multidimensional snapshot of our soul's existence as viewed from the present timeline (or, to get fancy, eigenstate) in which we're living (or, again, observing).

Here's where it gets confusing, so do bear with me.

Though time is a nonlinear, multidimensional construct, we are only able to observe it in a linear capacity; thus, our existence appears linear, when, in truth, it occurs across several -- if not infinite -- dimensions. As of yet, science has not provided us the means to observe uncollapsed wavefunctions -- fancy jargon for unobserved eigenstates, and, in lay terms, timelines we're said to be living elsewhere, but can't experience here.

You might ask, what's the point of knowing that which bears no direct effect upon us? Doesn't the old adage come into play -- what we don't know can't harm us? Granted, but nor could it help us; we're learning that it's these things which might actually provide great benefit.

But the idea isn't anywhere near new. Rather, it's as old as karmic theory, which tries to encapsulate multidimensionality via a linear framework. Trouble is, when viewing anything along a line, it adopts its shape: in our case, following the arrow of time -- running from the past, through the present, and on towards the future. However, the other two -- past and future -- don't technically exist; not in physical terms. They're mere extrapolations upon all that is known, or observable: the present. And any neuropsychologist worth their salt can tell you research shows the -- let's just say -- 'impersistence' of memory -- to borrow from Dali and sensory perception in one fell swoop. In fact, a memory's integrity is inversely proportionate to the number of times it's recalled. It's the initial recollection which remains the most accurate, and yet is also most subject to extrapolation.

Why? The brain's sole role in sensation and perception is to decode and make sense of nonsense: rogue stimuli, strange features, irrational and illogical input. Our brilliant grey matter is our very own version of Occam's Razor, ever separating the wheat from the chaff, filing, categorising, and ordering.

It also lies.

There's some truth to the notion that we create our own reality, that goes beyond metaphysical theory. At the neurological level, even our perception is highly individualised: we perceive colour differently, our olfactory nerves vary, and some of us have a greater or fewer number of mirror neurons, intensifying or lessening our ability to be empathetic and emotionally perceptive.

With perceptual reality itself being so malleable and mysterious, I turned to the study of its outlying secrets: quantum science and its potential impact upon multidimensionality. On a steady diet of Pribram, Bohm, Schrodinger, Einstein, Everett, and Feynman (in no particular order) I came to a few basic 'truths' which I adopted as personal law, over time:

All possibilities exist simultaneously across infinite dimensions, according to Schrodinger. We can't know what's happening within them, because only when a wavefunction collapses, are we able to observe it. That becomes what we know as existence, or in technical terms, 'an eigenstate' (which comes from mathematics). Einstein posited that time is nonlinear and relative, depending upon our perception of it and present location. Everett claimed that, for each decision or experience had in our observed eigenstate, the opposite event has occurred elsewhere, in one of the many dimensions hypothesised by Schrodinger. Pribram and Bohm suggested that our brains are capable of hyperdimensional perception, but we are too entrenched in personal dogma to 'disconnect' that which must logically order and rationally categorise all events perceived. Thus, those which 'don't fit' are disregarded (forgotten) and simply never encoded in our memory -- working or long-term. Feynman stated that the presence of quantum fields exist all around us, shaping the universe as we know it, but the work remains in its infancy. He also expressed there's a greater likelihood that we exist in a multiverse rather than a universe -- comprised of infinite, and often parallel, dimensions.

... THEN IT BECAME PERSONAL

Knowing the aforementioned, I've been on something of a personal mission to achieve the impossible: observe the unobserved. To know what is transpiring in alternate eigenstates -- those parallel dimensions. I know that, in one such, I never came to Los Angeles; I continued on to Virginia and began working with the FBI. Perhaps, it's in that one, too, that my boyfriend never left the Army, and carried on as a psychological operations officer, also never switching careers and coming to Hollywood.

You can imagine then, I've always wanted to know -- what's going on there? What's my life like? Is it how I thought it would be -- or very different? Furthermore, I began having powerful dreams and 'past life' recalls in my late adolescence which denoted that I had been a federal agent -- and died in the line of duty; betrayed, specifically. It spawned the creation of a transmedia project which continues today, 15 years later, finally to be produced in the best medium for its nature: television drama -- as it's an ongoing saga, indeed.

My boyfriend (and costar) had said a strange thing, when recounting his reasons for leaving his military career; a rather routine aspect of military programming (be it officer or enlisted) is the desensitisation to committing acts of violence -- most crucially, homicide. A soldier (like a federal agent) must be willing and able to kill an enemy combatant when the situation demands it -- or a superior orders it.

As a young adolescent, he had the inexplicable terror that, if he didn't instill within himself a set of unfailing, indispensable principles and guidelines, adhering to a moral code of impeccable quality, he would, well, 'become evil'. Thus, in his latter twenties, he quickly realised that the mere desensitisation, and willingness to engage in homicide, was a slippery slope. He 'left before they could convince him it was acceptable'. Curious, considering the character he plays, (which, yes, stemmed from those same visions or dreams in my late adolescence) makes the opposite decision -- and becomes a highly successful government assassin.

Well -- in one of the timelines. He also becomes a vigilante killer operating on the principle of lex talionis, a modern day fury, demanding that a life be given for a life taken. He's quite fond of his character, to be honest. Upon doing research (and academic reading to which only criminologists are privy) he had a sudden moment of revelation; setting down the book, he was taken aback to realise, 'how easily he could have taken that route.' Here, we're costars and Hollywood professionals who love each other deeply. But elsewhere, it would seem we're locked in some sort of transdimensional cycle of violence. While that's clearly a bold statement to make, the past 5 years have provided mounting evidence I can no longer ignore.

CREATING A CORRESPONDING ASTROLOGICAL METHOD

As an astrologer with a passion for synthesis, I began to wonder ... was it possible? Could I really understand -- and even see -- these 'other lives' in the charts? What would I need? To start, we have to make temporal attributions to each prevailing system of astrology available to us. Despite these being mostly 'illusive', it's helpful to impose a sort of linearity upon them, and I've found serves as an adequate methodology for interpretation.

| TROPICAL | Here we can easily witness our present, observed eigenstate. These are the potential influences around us that we know and readily understand.

| SIDEREAL | In this system, there is a definite sense of 'the past' however we imagine it to be. These are influences which 'came before' in relative terms to where we are now (via the tropical).

| DRACONIC | We're perceiving future influences, and the direction in which our soul seeks to be travelling. In terms of the tropical, it's where we're ultimately going, or would like to.

WHY DEGREES?

Now, what's all of this about degrees?

Those with the deepest soul connexions, who have multidimensional relationships across 'time', through multiple eigenstates and experiences of existence -- they will have one identifying feature above all:

Repetitive degrees -- and which degrees repeat will be of profound significance, so get those Sabians ready.

We will go into greater depth as to WHY these repeating degrees denote multidimensionality. For now, however, simply know that it's the most reliable feature I've found -- regardless of the quality or nature of the connexion -- when seeking for evidence of multidimensionality in astrology.

Anyone suspecting a twin flame relationship should especially begin here. I will admit to genuine surprise if you aren't flabbergasted by what you find across these three systems alone.

Orb suggestion: as usual, keep it as tight as possible. I prefer exact degrees; in the case of stellia, variance of 2º to 3º at most is allowable. Otherwise, keep it within 1º00.

As to what it all means? We'll begin to unravel that great mystery next. It'll be a bit arduous, but enlightening and paradigm-shifting. I promise you.

THE METHOD

1 | Begin with the tropical; it's our observed eigenstate, for lack of better, and our perceived 'base camp' relative to time. As you become familiar with the practise, you may want to change your perspective (literally), working from the sidereal to the tropical, or the draconic to the sidereal, et cetera -- but for now, it's best to keep it simple.

2 | Note all degrees of conjunction within 3°. Jot them down. These will (hopefully) build the trail you'll follow across the systems used.

3 | Contemplate and meditate upon the degrees you've found. This is the most subjective, but also among the more crucial steps.

+ in what signs are they placed?
+ in which system -- sidereal? Tropical? Draco?
+ what are the points and planets in those degrees?
+ what are the aspects being made?

All of the above will synthesise to form a more complete, 'multidimensional history' over time.

posted June 28, 2015 09:52 PM            

Angelica

posted June 28, 2015 10:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Why on earth would the Sidereal system be related to the past?
After all it's the only system to show the corrected astronomical degree and the true positions of the planets as they move across the Zodiac. It's the tropical astrology that is looking at a view of the cosmos that isn't there anymore. Sidereal is the most current.
I dont see the correlation to the past....puhleaz?

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All of the 'pet' astrological systems or zodiacs are constructed via geocentricism, which is hardly legitimate. Thus if astronomical accuracy is our measure, we're going to be barking up the wrong tree.

The sidereal tends to represent our most 'raw' nature -- arguably that which is 'uninfluenced' by our present environment; the closest we may come to perceiving our basic soul composition.

However, given its calculation, the tropical 12C tends to be transposed as the sidereal ASC, within 5°-7°. Not bad! An intriguing feature of it, which I've always found almost too coincidental, throughout my study and practise of karmic astrology.

And so we're able to easily overlay the sidereal chart upon the tropical, as house positions don't vary, but signs do, gleaning an idea of what things might be, were we to take the 12H for the ASC.

While we can do this by merely shifting all houses back one, the positions 'shift' with them. Using the sidereal, we have a cursory view of how our actual tropical might be, were we to transpose the sign upon the 12C to the ASC, shifting the entire chart backwards.

posted June 28, 2015 10:14 PM            

I've found the Natals + Composite format might be the best quick n' dirty means to show comparison. I'll go ahead and post the tropical, sidereal, and Draco in that order. Mind they're a bit small, but decent for immediate representation.

posted June 28, 2015 10:18 PM            

SIDEREAL:

DRACONIC:

As is customary with this format, the composite lies within the middle of the two natals, whose degrees are immediately rounded to the nearest full degree.

For example: 24° SCO 57 = 25° SCO; 06° CAN 53 = 07 CAN; 10° VIR 43 = 11° VIR -- and so on.

posted June 28, 2015 10:40 PM            

In the second tropical natal, we have SATURN at 12° ARIES. In the corresponding sidereal, NNODE is at 11° ARIES, with HADES/TISIPHONE at 12° and 13° ARIES respectively.

This is significant. SATURN is giving us a sort of dimensional paper trail, if you will. By tracking the mid ARIES degrees through the corresponding sidereal and Draconic, we're able to infer a history (sidereal) as well as predict a potential future (Draco).

Taking these all into consideration, being just a small but crucial piece of the puzzle, we can understand the possible purpose for these transpositions, and come to understand what they truly are: superpositions.

This is a fine example given the already imbued karmic significance of SATURN.

But this is a place to study synastry, and interpersonal relationships. That's just what we're going to do.

Note the placement of tropical SATURN in the 8H of the first chart. This has been seen as an indication that SATURN may, in extreme cases, be responsible for the death of the 8H individual.

Immediately, we'd like to scoff; oh, certainly, examples can tend to the extreme, but that's hardly the usual situation in which we find ourselves -- and it's a good thing, too! Instead, let's try and understand, by following SATURN's trail, what could be the 'cause' of this unfortunate placement.

We are now at a crossroads, with past and future at equal distance. We could look behind us, to see the conjunction to the NNODE, describing previous influences -- curiously, future direction. Or we could peer ahead at the natal conjunction of TISIPHONE and HADES.

Where do we go? How do we know?

This is where the astrology act as a direction and supplement to dream work, meditation, and spiritual guidance. By now we should have found signposts and features that resonate very sharply with us, for which our mind, heart, and soul know to lead us forward -- or tracking back.

Every case is different, and there are plenty of other methodologies to help clear the way when we find ourselves 'looped' -- as in the above example. Bear in mind, too, that the presence of a cycle or loop is a special indication in and of itself, requiring its own careful handling. But that goes beyond the present scope of this investigative tutorial.

The aspects (which we'll discuss with each specific case) then help to delineate certain influences, as well as events, their nature, and the impact upon the relationship in those eigenstates or lifelines.

posted June 28, 2015 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
in the tropical did you mean that person's B saturn at 11 degrees aries is conjunct the 8th house CUSP of person A? cause i think that's what you meant, correct me if I'm wrong. but anyways this makes soon much sense aubyanne thank you for breaking this down. also when you mention sidereal, which sidereal in astro.com do you recommend using?

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Actually, B's tropical (or 'natal') SATURN is in A's 8H, by several degrees; not aspecting the cusp.

posted June 29, 2015 05:20 AM            

Very good! That's a big one, actually, and you're correct in identifying it's largely tropical to sidereal-oriented, making the energy locked between and described by past / present influences -- but not future.

The 21°-24° ARIES degrees are very important to this 'karmic' pattern, in fact. I'll explain why tomorrow.

posted June 29, 2015 05:49 AM            

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posted June 29, 2015 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
This format rounds up the degrees to the next higher degree if the actual degree is very close to the next one like in my case Sun is on 25°56 Sagittarius, but appears as 26 Sagittarius in this format.
Do you think that matters?

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I noticed that myself, and did include it at the very base of mine. I may need to make that more prominent. Hmm.

However, I've come to find it's actually useful; it helps us get very quickly to the heart of the matter. For example, my eyes almost want to gloss over his HADES at late 16º TAURUS, and go to his TISIPHONE at 17º TAU 48 -- even though, HADES is actually slightly closer to my 17º TAU 05 CHIRON. So, here they both appear 17º TAU.

posted June 29, 2015 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
sorry I can`t access the song due to copyright reasons here.

my name asteroid is on 16°57 Taurus btw. lol

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Hah! Not a bit surprised; you've not helped me confront anything at all, nooooo, no, siree!

Well then, clearly it's this one I'm supposed to share with you today. (Another one which used to be playing when I opened my eyes several mornings.)

posted June 29, 2015 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Angelica,

Very good! That's a big one, actually, and you're correct in identifying it's largely tropical to sidereal-oriented, making the energy locked between and described by past / present influences -- but not future.

The 21°-24° ARIES degrees are very important to this 'karmic' pattern, in fact. I'll explain why tomorrow.

You're doing well.

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yay!! cant wait to hear the explanation today or whenever you can! im so eager to know why we dont see this pattern repeat itself in draco?? and why 21 - 24 degrees aries? also could you explain the role behind the north and south node in sidereal?

posted June 30, 2015 06:27 AM            

Let's start by more closely examining a few of the points which correspond at these degrees:

20° ARIES | A PRIAPUS
21° ARIES | B BML
21° ARIES | A dVENUS
22° ARIES | B sHADES
23° ARIES | B MOON
23° ARIES | A dASC
23° ARIES | A sCHIRON
24° ARIES | B sTISIPHONE

Now, what's funny is that we both forgot that there are Draco correspondences -- and rather major, too. My tropical VENUS and ASC transpose to 21°-23° ARIES respectively. These are 0°-1° conjunct B's tropical MOON-BML (as you noted) along with my PRIAPUS. (I'm actually studying the karmic relationship of BML and PRIAPUS now. Stay tuned for more on that.)

But we see the real links formed when the CHIRON conjunct HADES-TISIPHONE repeats, now in the sidereal, across the degrees of B's MOON and A's dASC-dVENUS most critically. This is a crucial relationship as it binds the synastric conjunction from the past (sidereal) to correspond directly with his present (tropical MOON) and my future (Draco VENUS-ASC).

What on earth could that mean? The principles of HADES/TISIPHONE=CHIRON echo beneath the surface of his emotional profile, and all which informs his concept of 'the past' and the lunar nature. Specifically, his HADES/TISIPHONE is directly operating 'in the same space' as his MOON. This is the astrological representation of quantum superpositioning: two objects or ideas occupying the same segment of spacetime -- one is an echo or remnant of the past which possesses a hidden channel via another point in the present.

Let's reflect upon that for a moment.

According to Martha Lang-Wescott, the following energy imbues his present lunar profile:

'Violation of close bonds includes criminal acts, or where, in the name of justice, there is abject humiliation. The punishment of criminals part of this learning and reeducation. Attention should be paid to what is done to those who made a mistake. People can so be punished for things done in the past, which might be ascribed to karma. Note that in order to justify such punishment, the object of that harsh treatment may be dehumanised, ridiculed, made to seem 'truly evil' and characterised as subhuman. Also expect circumstances in which justice ISN'T done; times of mistaken justice, or where it's 'the bad guy' who is seeking or getting revenge. These themes are objectified by thinking of historical periods where justice was meted out and included punishment, deserved or not.'

... Well, that's kind of a helluva thing to have relating to one's MOON, and thus their personality and emotional nature, isn't it? But these are the sorts of insights we're able to gain, to get a better perspective and more complete dimensional understanding of the many parts to our most personal points.

As it affects me directly by being my CHIRON which is involved, let's have a closer view as to why that might be, using the method.

My sidereal CHIRON adopts the degree, widely conjunct my tropical PRIAPUS (indicating an extreme sensitivity, and hitting my most vulnerable point, even inciting a 'need to merge deeply' in this area, to enact healing) as well as Draco VENUS-ASC. Best to note how my VENUS is 12H natally, and already relating to karma, transcendence and going beyond the concretely visible. These are Draconic points as well, showing his essential the healing of my CHIRON truly is for my soul's growth -- even more so than the average bear. This links to my tropical PRIAPUS -- again, widely, but the only present 'window' I have into the energy.

Putting it together, my present most vulnerable spot -- especially in the arena of sexuality and intimacy (8H) is haunted by my deepest wound (CHIRON) from either my distant, or more recent past (sidereal). Clues as to why might be found in the tight conjunction to his HADES/TISIPHONE also from his past (sidereal) from my past CHIRON. This is just beneath the surface of his emotions in the present (tropical MOON) and a crucial element to my soul's greatest evolution -- specifically regarding my ability to love and appreciate beauty (Draco VENUS) as well as my worldview and life approach -- my self concept (Draco ASC). A possible area in which this could be explored or surface is sexual intimacy, in which distance and fears would be a likely issue in the present (his tropical BML conjunct my tropical PRIAPUS).

I'll tackle the sidereal NODES tomorrow. It's an interesting layer to the means of interpreting the past / future via or through the lens of the past itself.

Now, knowing the above, an interesting thing happened when we get to the Draco:

23° AQUARIUS | TISIPHONE
25° AQUARIUS | CHIRON

(It's actually closer to 1°30 than 2°00, with minutes.)

This has always intrigued me, as it's his CHIRON here that becomes conjunct my TISIPHONE. The tropical and sidereal pattern of HADES/TISIPHONE=CHIRON switches to become his CHIRON that's affected.

So there's something about a future-oriented pattern which denotes that the point of pain of suffering reversed.

posted June 30, 2015 06:37 AM            

At this point, however, I see sidereal charts as the future, our stellar self, trying to reach its potential. In the future, we will populate other planets/solar systems and the sidereal will probably become the standard system. In the era of space travel, choosing only our Sun as reference point seems limited.

I think close conjunctions tropical/sidereal show traveling into the future together, a common future soul path. It's mostly likely an indication of Twinflames.

Ceri's explanation of the "parting ways" theory here: (to which I don't subscribe at this point)
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000500.html

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AstroMandala

posted June 30, 2015 01:52 PM            

I'll have to find why it is that iQ relates it to the past / soul. My reasons are different, but similar. His explanation is that it's what is 'static' within us -- that comes in with us -- inborn, in a sense. That the sidereal will give way to the tropical over time -- rather than the opposite.

posted June 30, 2015 02:27 PM            

Great thread !

I'm not sure whether I'm doing this correctly ; would this be enough to be considered a pattern ?

07° SAG 28' : his dVENUS
08° SAG 42' : my nPLUTO

08° VIR 28' : my nVENUS
08° VIR 47' : his sPLUTO

07° SAG 33' : our vVENUS ?

His dASC is also involved, as well as other asteroids, but I've not yet checked whether they repeat themselves.