posted July 25, 2015 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I'm thinking soul families are really important right now for manifesting the reality of the consciousness of true love, and our physical lovers are just one facet of this ...

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posted July 25, 2015 03:22 PM            

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[bold] Ceridwen (!♡Jupiter/Ceres Goddess!!!) said:

The opposition to me seems to be a horizontal connection, a straight line, a magnetism, horizontal.
The antiscion / contrascion is a connection from surface to underneath, it`s kinda vertical.

Am I still making sense to you?

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Definitely!!!

But I need to figure out how to calculate them a little better.

posted July 25, 2015 03:26 PM            

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Aubyanne:

I know! I remember seeing that in the beginning. I think it's in part what's caused both the intense immediate reactions and responses, but also the genuine willingness to associate. We love to think that conjunctions -- the fusion -- is always going to be 'the best'. Ultimately, it will be the most rewarding, if we sort through the karma represented. It certainly gets our attention, thoug

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Haha, yeah, you got me! I have at times focused exclusively on conjunctions. It's very fruitful and has given me much insight.

The antiscia and contrascion ! (Did I get that right?)

is bllooowwwing my mind right now..

posted July 25, 2015 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
did you notice that thing about antiscia/ contrasica btw?

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I couldn't not!

My immediate thought was, 'we need to pay closer attention to out-of-sign oppositions, quincunxes, and quindeciles'. But that quickly gave way to the terribly obvious: solstice degrees -- as well as the 'mirrordegrees'. What a perfect marriage of yin and yang! What a reflection of two energies which share a unique vibrational harmony underneath!

posted July 25, 2015 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
^Yes, indeed. All mass is essentially energy that only appears solid for a time. This would also explain why visions of, well, other people in their astral form, or visions of one's own karmic predecessors, can look like glowing holograms (at least they do to me and I've read such descriptions also in other people's accounts a few times.)

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Yes! Exactly! That's very much my understanding of it, too!

posted July 25, 2015 03:34 PM            

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Aubyanne wrote:

Is it not through Cancerian empathy, psychic understanding, love of home and family, loyalty and kinship that we can truly unite the opposing principle of Self versus Other? Conversely, through the marriage of objective structure and the subjectivity of free-flowing dream (Capricorn) can we not only better understand Cancerian needs, but bring together Aries leadership with Libran diplomacy.

This is just one example, of course. The modalities work together in a kind of beautiful harmony when 'attuned' to their highest vibrations, and seeking that harmony.

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Oh my g♡d!!! Yes! lol Yeeesss!!! mighty good example. so beautifully put. I'm humbled and grateful; so glad to be processing all of this here with you.

posted July 25, 2015 03:59 PM            

Take a look at your chart and find the dispositor for each planet (or point). You'll quickly notice a pattern; once it 'loops', that's the planet's final dispositor.

I'll demonstrate using my tropical natal:

SUN in LIBRA
VENUS in VIRGO
MERCURY in SCORPIO
PLUTO in LIBRA
VENUS in VIRGO

See the loop? Once it goes to VENUS in VIRGO, it flips back to MERC in SCO, which, again, returns to PLUTO in LIBRA -- which is my SUN's final dispositor.

Doing the same with my MOON, we get:

MOON in SCORPIO
PLUTO in LIBRA
(VENUS in VIRGO
MERC in SCO
PLUTO in LIBRA)

(We find ourselves arriving very quickly to the FD via my MOON, given its natural proximity to it.

While I obviously can't say so yet, my theory is that there is a definite connexion between final dispositors in the case of twin flames / twin rays / 'entangled soulmates' (for lack of better).

Always consider the planets, but feel free to continue with EROS, PSYCHE, VALENTINE, AMOR, JUNO, ALMA, KARMA, and so on.

You'll also quickly notice if any planet is in dignity, it's an immediate locked loop. SUN in LEO can't go beyond itself, nor VENUS in LIBRA, for example. Once you hit those, you're done; it won't travel any further. The energy is 'looped' and very potent.

posted July 25, 2015 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
The antiscia and contrascion ! (Did I get that right?)

is bllooowwwing my mind right now..

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Yes! If you haven't explored them yet, your mind WILL be blown in most cases of legitimate soul connexions.

Some very simple guides:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/solstice_points_antiscia.html

posted July 25, 2015 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

But I need to figure out how to calculate them a little better.

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my Moon is in Aquarius, too.

For the calculation, you need to substract the degree of your planet from 30° and place it in the antiscion- contrascion sign

For example:

the antiscia are:

Gemini - Cancer
Leo - Taurus
virgo - Aries
Libra - Pisces
Scorpio - Aquarius
Sagittarius - Capricorn

the contrasica would be in the opposing sign (Gemini - Capricorn for example)

now letīs say your Moon is on 17 Aquarius (well my Moon is); we know its antiscion sign is Scorpio.
To find the exact degree we have to calculate

30°-17°= 13 degrees

So the antiscion position of a 17 degree Aqua Moon is 13 degrees Scorpio.

Et voila!

And Auby,

posted July 25, 2015 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Petronilla:
Obviously I have nothing to contribute here, but I just wanted to thank you, Aubyanne - this is terribly fascinating I've had a life-long fascination with the idea of approaching the idea of a soul via quantum physics, so this thread of yours gave me quite a jolt.

P.S. My Ascendant is pretty close to yours in 7°53' Virgo

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I'm so glad! And that doesn't shock me in the least; my VENUS is at 08šVIR36, and I felt an immediate 'vibe' with you, too.

posted July 25, 2015 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Et voila!

And Auby,

surprised? No.
Happy? Yes.

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posted July 25, 2015 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I couldn't not!

My immediate thought was, 'we need to pay closer attention to out-of-sign oppositions, quincunxes, and quindeciles'. But that quickly gave way to the terribly obvious: solstice degrees -- as well as the 'mirrordegrees'. What a perfect marriage of yin and yang! What a reflection of two energies which share a unique vibrational harmony underneath!

I love the antiscia / contrascia. I'm still relatively new in my exploration of them, but I'm quite the 'believer' in their potency.

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I couldn`t agree more!

BTW you can look up antiscia in astro.com.
Just pick MUNICH SCHOOL as chart drawing style and in the additional data pages scroll down, then you will see two columns; the first actually gives the contrascia of your planets (mirrored over the Aries-Libra-axis), the second the antiscia (mirrored over Cancer-Capricorn).

my antiscia table

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posted July 25, 2015 04:36 PM            

yes, dispositors.
It never cease to blow my mind to see this:

his (Sun and) Moon conjunct my Sun (26-28 Sagittarius)

so for both of us dispositor is Jupiter, right?

his Jupiter 10 Virgo
my Jupiter 11 Pisces

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or this

his Mercury on 9 Sag
my Neptune on 9 Sag

his dispositor in Virgo, a Mercurial sign
my dispoitor in Pisces, a Neptunian sign

instead of Venus and Mars, I suppose he is from Mercury and I am from Neptune. lol

(interestingly enough Mercury rules both our DESCs and his NN and my SN).

oh maybe you find this interesting?

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204587.html

(it is probably not that easy, but a good start for the dispositoring)

posted July 25, 2015 04:46 PM            

I find it very fitting in my case, I have two dispositor trees

One is supervised by Jupiter in Pisces:
- Sun, Mercury, Mars, Neptune in Sagittarius
- Uranus in Scorpio (resp. to Mars)

the other is supervised by the traditional mutual reception of Moon in Aquarius and Saturn in Cancer (trad. rulerhsips)

- Venus in Capricorn (responding to Saturn)
- Pluto in Libra (resp. to Venus)

See what happens in my chart

Jupiter - Sun- Mercury-Mars- Uranus- Neptune
Moon - Saturn - Venus - Pluto???

Luckily my Jupiter in Pisces and Saturn in Cancer are trine each other and hence in comunication. my Jupiter might win out though, as it is in Pisces at home, but also Saturn is in the exaltation of Jupiter, and hence tends to hold Jupiter in high regard (though feeling himself quite undervaluable, Saturn in Cancer you know)

that is for traditional rulership

For modern one we have

mutual reception of Jupiter-Neptune

1) Jupiter in Pisces - Neptune in SAgittarius
Sun, Mercury, Mars (resp. to Jupiter)

2) Moon in Aquarius
Uranus in Scorpio
Pluto in Libra
Venus in Capricorn
Saturn in Cancer
Moon in Aquarius

Still makes sense, doesn`t it?

Men are from heaven, women from hell. LOL

Just look at that dark image when it comes o the feminine, Saturn, Pluto, with a dash Uranus.

posted July 25, 2015 04:55 PM            

1) mutual reception of Mercury in Sagittarius - Jupiter in Virgo

- Mars, Jupiter, Saturn in Virgo (resp. to Mercury)
- Sun, Moon, Mercury, Neptune in SAg (resp. to Jupiter)
- Venus in Capricorn (resp. to Saturn)
- Pluto in Libra (resp. to Venus)
- Uranus in Scorpio (resp. to Pluto)

so for him it is all under the roof of Mercury-Jupiter

posted July 25, 2015 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW you can look up antiscia in astro.com.
Just pick MUNICH SCHOOL as chart drawing style and in the additional data pages scroll down, then you will see two columns; the first actually gives the contrascia of your planets (mirrored over the Aries-Libra-axis), the second the antiscia (mirrored over Cancer-Capricorn).

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posted July 25, 2015 07:21 PM            

I remember when I first looked into it with R, noting how our final dispositors are both PLUTO. At the time, it seemed twin flame-y, so I took it in stride. But while my KARMA is 0° conjunct his PLUTO (4° Scorpio) he has nothing of such note at 22° Libra. Instead, we're both simply Plutonians, cut from the 'same Plutonian cloth'.

So, naturally, I returned to my research upon discovering a similar pattern popping up with J.

His final dispositor is none other than MARS ... at 22° Libra.

And I thought this immediately curious; while they aren't the same planet, they are forming a 0° conjunction, and there's an ancient vibrational relationship between MARS and PLUTO -- the latter being the higher octave of the former. And, of course, MARS co-ruling Scorpio, even today.

However, I do feel the modern ridership fits best. I'm not that 0° Sagittarian. I am quite the embodiment of my Libran PLUTO, though -- even more so as my pVENUS shifts into 0° conjunction with pPLUTO. Whew!

I feel there's a definite deep relationship here among the dispositors. I'd expect R and I to be Plutonians ultimately, with J carrying that same Libran energy I do -- merely expressed differently.

Not to mention there's another hidden correspondence here -- one between VENUS (Libra) and MARS, given the placement. His MARS is, after all, in the sign representing the higher and more cerebral expression of VENUS. And it's this which is in exact conjunction to my final dispositor, which happens to be its higher octave? It may be MARS, but it's a rather refined one.

I'm reminded of the travel I had months back in which I was somewhere which feels like an amalgam of Atlantis and the world in which we live. (I've been there many times.) As Maureen McGovern's voice came onto the radio singing 'Can You Read My Mind?' I sang along with it, unable to do much but fondly reflect upon him. (It was then that I realised how many 'other places' we're acquainted -- even in committed relationship.) I snickered at some of the unbelievable bits, knowing he can't fly, and yet, telepathy was a completely acknowledged form of communication for us. And I couldn't help but take the moment to smile on what a magnificent, elevated being he truly is.

It was a strange and powerful little dream. Waking from it, I can't say I felt that differently about him.

At any rate, I love the correspondence on that level. Not only that his tropical MOON automatically disposits to being 2° conjunct my tropical SUN, but is exactly conjunct the dispositor of my tropical MOON. In one fell swoop, his MOON is linked, in very deep relationship, to my SUN and MOON. Then his SUN is, of course, 8H, carrying Plutonian energy all on its own without any help from aspects or dispositors. Heh.

posted July 26, 2015 06:26 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ceri, your Jupiter Ceres on my NN *swoon*...

Edit: me falling for the simple story conjunction trap... Still, I feel it. soft spot for the 11 pisces over here big time.

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I am a conjunction woman myself. Definitely gets my attention. But I do not view them so much as aspects as as "convergences", melting-pots.

posted July 28, 2015 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I couldn`t agree more!

BTW you can look up antiscia in astro.com.

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posted July 28, 2015 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, munich Rhythme, the go to the additonal tables and scroll down, there right at the end is the table (or should be at least)

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Aha! Got it.

posted July 28, 2015 02:36 PM            

... And my PLUTO.

posted July 29, 2015 07:15 PM            

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Oh, and how! Plus, it's so refreshing to see Plutonian energy operating as the enlightened eagle, as opposed to the scorpion which is still prone to use its stinger in the name of self-preservation. It's just beautiful when a Plutonian soars.

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The Eagle is Love