posted September 23, 2015 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I wouldn´t accept such a wide orb either. After all we are dealing with midpoints. My preferred orb is 3 degrees at max, for clear impact.

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Interestingly c-Sun is conjunct Mr sag`s MC (but from his natal 9th house).

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Can you list your n to c conjunctions? Yours and his. I'm curious if there are more similarities.

posted September 23, 2015 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
I love looking at composite synastry with the natal charts. It's very illuminating.

I've even noticed it's possible to be attracted to a relationship in a similar way that we're attracted to a person. Like you'll notice you think a particular couple is cute together, and you then look and their composite Sun is conjunct your Vertex, and some other planet is trine you 7th house ruler from your 5th house.

Synastry aspects to the composite can show how we feel about a relationship. If composite impacts our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, or the Vertex Axis. That sort of thing... Something about the style of relationship itself will press our excitement buttons. Like we kind of fall in love with the connection itself rather then the other person specifically. Just something I've noticed.

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posted September 23, 2015 03:09 PM            

Believe it or not, I only meant planets and axes but you're right, it would be scandalous to skip our little rocks h22, h21, Psyche, Amor, Eros, Cupido, Anteros, Penelope, Odysseus, Pygmalion, Galatea, Alma, Spirit, Actor, Estrella, Atropos, Pandora, Apollo, Anubis, Hekate, Eureka, Link, Madhatter, Alice, your name asteroids. You can handle it

Besides: Juno, Ceres, Pholus, Vesta.

posted September 23, 2015 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I wouldn´t accept such a wide orb either. After all we are dealing with midpoints. My preferred orb is 3 degrees at max, for clear impact.

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You know, that's a good point. I'm used to orbs used for karmic astrology -- which expand conjunction orb to 10º. Nonetheless, I don't know why I'd widen orbs here, if I won't do so using my multidimensional method, when determining aspects between tropical, Draco, and sidereal.

Perhaps, karmic astrology needs to make a compromise of sorts; considering a decrease to, say, 6º, when dealing with composites or other midpoint-derived charts.

posted September 23, 2015 03:20 PM            

BTW I noticed that our composite has quite some interesting muse aspects, esp. in terms of our natals.
like an exact composite conjunctio of ERATO and URANIA, exact on my n Mars. lol

ohr my natal THALIA exact on the composite ASC-TERPSICHORE-conjunction

or my natal ERATO on composite MErcury-Neptune-Sappho. lol

and his natal POLYHYMNIA on my natal ERATO on composite Mercury-Neptune-Sappho.
opposing my natal Karma.

composite POLYHYMNIA conjunct my Neptune-NN and same degree as my natal GROOM. ROFL
also conjuncts his Mercury-MUSA.

posted September 23, 2015 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
You know, that's a good point. I'm used to orbs used for karmic astrology -- which expand conjunction orb to 10º. Nonetheless, I don't know why I'd widen orbs here, if I won't do so using my multidimensional method, when determining aspects between tropical, Draco, and sidereal.

Perhaps, karmic astrology needs to make a compromise of sorts; considering a decrease to, say, 6º, when dealing with composites or other midpoint-derived charts.

Even if VENUS is technically within orb, using that methodology, I still consider the JUNO/MEGAIRA to be the active influence, with VENUS more ambient.

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PM's Moon/my MC are 5 degrees from composite Venus/ASC...I don't think I can disregard it.

posted September 23, 2015 03:28 PM            

From a certain degree on we might start reaching and focusing on what we want to see, instead of what is right under our nose.

However, maybe sometimes wider orbs are justified when there are midpoint patterns attached, or paralllels/contraparallels.

Other than that, well, to each their own, but it just wouldn`t sit right with me using orbs larger than 3 or max. 4 degrees (actually i do not even feel really satisfied with anything over 3 degrees, so while keeping an eye on the ambient ones, I certainly cannot disregard those that might be closer, even though they might not be what I WANT to see. On the other hand I DO keep an eye on the ambient ones, because they probably have their merit, and maybe they are ambient for a reason. ).

posted September 23, 2015 03:43 PM            

For example, in my composite I have the following superpositions:

MC/IC axis/conj composite Jupiter exactly conjunct our mutable square with Venus and Mars (plus Neptune Eros Jupiter Ceres etc.) - the point is, it's a very active position activating half of both charts

NN/Sun/Mercury exactly conj our Sun/Sun opp, with composite Mercury being MC ruler and 8th ruler.

composite Juno exactly conj his Mercury, his chart ruler.

c Mars opp his Venus by 3 degrees.
c Moon exactly conj my Mars, and his ASC (1)

etc.

Because there seems to be important superpositions and affecting both people equally, I may go further and take a look at the fact that his Mars in Gemini 7 deg. resonates with the Composite Sun at 21 Gem, despite the distance. cVenus/ASC with his Moon ( I do consider an aspect here though); cDSC in Taurus with my IC (and my own DSC is in Cancer), despite the 5 deg. But even if it wasn't in orb, I think sign resonance is added energy when aspectary synastry/composite works.

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posted September 23, 2015 04:08 PM            

But even wider orbs touching angles, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, rulers or a special configuration in the natal chart, I'll be inclined to see them as more important.

posted September 23, 2015 04:10 PM            

in his case it looks like this:

c-Sun 26 Sag
his Sun 26 Sag
his Moon 28 Sag
his MC 28 Sag
his Saturn 26 Virgo
his DESC 25 Virgo
his Vertex 28 Virgo

However I wouldn`t consider his Neptune at 20 Sag as a too major part of this, it might be still there, but it is clearly... ambient, as Auby would say.

As for your last post, I would say, Yes and No.

Of course the importance of the planets have to be considered, but the orb does make a difference, too. BOTH is important.

posted September 23, 2015 04:16 PM            

he is born on 12th March

his mom is born on 12th September
his sister is born on 12th September

I am born on 13th September

The composite Sun with them is 20 Gem
With me, 21 Gem, the degree of his Sun, in fact, 21.44 Pisces...and I'm a bit closer to his mutable structure

posted September 23, 2015 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
There's another interesting thing with PM I haven't mentioned before.

he is born on 12th March

his mom is born on 12th September
his sister is born on 12th September

I am born on 13th September

The composite Sun with them is 20 Gem
With me, 21 Gem, the degree of his Sun, in fact, 21.44 Pisces...and I'm a bit closer to his mutable structure

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Aww ! Reminds me of my family, too

My sister is born on 1st May
My mom is born on 1st June
My dad is born on 1st July

posted September 23, 2015 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

But I guess that is the one area (I have found so far) we will never really agree on.

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yes, so it seems we must keep it spicy

serious questions now, although they may seem dumb

BTW, of course both matter, I agree

so the questions (we discussed it before, but let's remind ourselves, or me :

1. what is the difference the orb brings between let's say a 5 drg, to 3 deg? by this question, I mean: if that thing is there, such as a luminary, Venus, Mars conj composite ASC or Sun, let's say, why would it make such a big difference if it's 3 or 5? *when an important aspect

2. is the astrobody important too, or all of them have equal impact when it comes to orbs? (in other words, is a 3 deg orb with the Sun always weaker as influence than a 1 deg orb with Juno, for example?)

posted September 23, 2015 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Aww ! Reminds me of my family, too

My sister is born on 1st May
My mom is born on 1st June
My dad is born on 1st July

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oh wow so interesting, Peluches I actually wanted to discuss this, in a thread, the similarities between partners and family and within our families; these interesting repetitive numbers and charts.

PM, as you can see, is imprisoned by virgin vestals...and I am breaking the 12th pattern hahahaha

posted September 23, 2015 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Very interesting idea, Lotis

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posted September 23, 2015 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
PM's Moon/my MC are 5 degrees from composite Venus/ASC...I don't think I can disregard it.

more like 4 from Venus, though.

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Yeah, it really does require on the astrologer's own discretion; almost how we know our own charts. We know when a certain pattern is being activated in some way. It's our own discernment that's going to make the final call.

In your case, I agree. Certain patterns may have parts which are otherwise further than we'd like, but we've yet to find the reason for it. Usually, something else -- like a midpoint -- is dead-on; or it'll align with another pattern very tightly.

In this way, I see why JUNO is the stronger influence than VENUS -- and yet, while, yes, it's ambient. So much of the 9H energy is both being generated into JUNO-related things, as well as a Venusian direction: art. There's probably something else around there that's bang-on which I've yet to even find.