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hypatia238
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posted October 04, 2015 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So the composite is very interesting, it has EROS conjunct PSYCHE and it has ISIS sextile OSIRIS inconjuncting Interkosmos making it the apex of the YOD and Saturn its release point. It also has a JUPITER-MOON-PLUTO tight stellium and VENUS conjunct SUN.

I think is a very interesting chart and my favorite thing about it its the Pluto-Jupiter-Moon stellium and that YOD.

I found that I have the two aspecting in either synastry or composite with my 3 soulmate relationships that involve VERY strong feelings and I did not think it was a coincidence; I am confirming that now by looking at their composite.

Auby has the conjunction with her boyfriend, Ceri reported the square with someone and another person reported the opposition with one of her soulmates. My parents have the conjunction as well.

Stephen Amell and Cassandra Jean have an almost exact opposition in Composite.

My Sis and her Husband have the semi sextile in davison and a wide conjunction of close to 5d in composite but in progress composite the orb is getting smaller.

JP and Ashley Hebert one of the few couples from bachelorette that have lasted many years and are still going, I loooved their chemistry, have a very tight opposition between 111111 and Valentine almost exact.

So those are 10 examples I am giving from limited data. I am wondering if there are more of you that can participate.

I would love to hear Leeloo's input and anybody who wants as well on the number of astrological patterns the composite shows. Here is the composite chart:

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posted October 04, 2015 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what a beautiful coherent interconnected image!

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posted October 04, 2015 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was checking the charts, including Davison, of my parents - but they don´t have that aspect. Instead I realized for the first time (I check the Davison only rarely) that they have 210216 EXACT on their ASC.


Oh and then I noticed that Mr Sag and me have VALENTINE conjunct 210216 in the Davison.

(I also noticed that our Davison looks weirdly interconnected, almost like the composite you posted of Val and 111111).

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posted October 04, 2015 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look at Juno on Spica!!
DC and Valentine on Fomalhaut....

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posted October 04, 2015 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edgar Cayce and his wife
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no aspect

BUT

his Valentine square her 210216

and

his Amor opposite her 210216 exact


and

Davison Amor square 131313

Robert Browning - Elisabeth Barrett-Browning
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his Valentine is - almost- conjunct her 111111: 4°17

while I would usually not count it at all, in this case I think we need to consider that


his Valentine conjunct her Amor 2°31
her Amor conjunct her 111111 1°46


AND


his Valentine square her 131313
his Amor sextile her 210216 exact

and

composite Amor quinkunx 210216-Uranus
(DAmor trine 210216 widely 2°26)

Humphrey Bogart - Lauren Bacall
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her Valentine trine his 111111 2°04

and

his Amor quinkunx her 111111 exact

and

composite Valentine opp. 210216 exact
composite Amor opp. 111111 - wow!


Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward
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none


but
her Valentine square his 210216 exact
her Amor sextile his 131313

composite Valentine sextile 131313
composite Amor conjunct 210216 exact
Davison Valentine sextile 131313
Davison Amor trine 131313 exact


Johnny Cash - June Carter
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her Valentine semisextile his 111111 exact
(I usually would not mentiont he semisextile, but it is exact here)


and

his Amor quinkunx her 210216 exact


and

composite Valentine sextile 210216 exact
composite Amor opposite 210216


my brother and his girlfriend
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none


but

her Valentine trine his 131313
her Amor square his 210216 exact


my best friend and her husband
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none at all

Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Eastman
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none


but

composite Amor trine 131313


my parents
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none


but

c-Valentine square 210216 wide (2!°38)
c-Amor sextile 111111 exact


D-Amor opposite 111111


William Randolph Hearst- Marion Davies
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but

his Valentine conjunct her 131313 exact


and

c-Valentine trine 210216

d-Amor opposite 111111
d-Amor trine 131313

Tom Hanks - Rita Wilson
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but

his Valentine sextile her 210216
her Valentine sextile his 210216
his Amor square her 131313
her Anor sextile his 210216


and

c-Valentine sextile 210216
D-Valentine sextile 210216
D-Amor square 131313

my grandparents
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c-Valentine trine 111111

but

his Valentine square her 131313
her Amor sextile his 111111

and

c-Valentine quinkunx 210216 exact
c-Amor conjunct 111111
c-Amor conjunct 131313


d-Valentine sextile 131313

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posted October 04, 2015 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SUN/VENUS/MERC-ISIS-INTERKOSMOS is an interesting yod, too. It's the much spoken-of 'love stellium', adjacent to an EROS-PSYCHE conjunction, forming that yod with ISIS and INTERKOSMOS, too.

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posted October 04, 2015 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ceri!! so you found like 2-3 couples that have it; your grandparents in composite the trine, another couple in synastry the trine and another couple has the semisextile, I won't count the wide conjunction but appreciate you included it.

I don't expect all couples to have it but I am noticing a significant minority do. Not all couples have moon conjunct Pluto or sun conjunct moon but they feel nice.

I need to expand my data, I only included two celebrity couples I like, I need like a 100 couples I like.

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posted October 04, 2015 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
SUN/VENUS/MERC-ISIS-INTERKOSMOS is an interesting yod, too. It's the much spoken-of 'love stellium', adjacent to an EROS-PSYCHE conjunction, forming that yod with ISIS and INTERKOSMOS, too.

Yes and the Neptune Yod too..so 3 Yods then. Isn't there a butterfly and angel wings in there, I don't know if to call that other pattern angel wings? Or what?

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posted October 04, 2015 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@CERI: I took the liberty to check out the AMOR conjunct 111111 composite bc it seems to be active in your data! and thanks for bringing it to my attention actually

The composite has a Mystic Rectangle and is quite lovely actually between JUPITER-MOON-JUNO sextile PLUTO Trine VENUS and Sextile SATURN and Saturn trines JUNO. It also has an exact Isis conjunct Osiris pretty much.

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posted October 04, 2015 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awwww, the Isis-OSiris falls onto my NN on 10°09 Sagittarius!


I also found the aspects to 210216 rather astonishing to be honest. not always a conjunction, but it intrigued me.

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posted October 04, 2015 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So 111111 composites seem to be generating a lot of astrological patterns, in her own chart there is a kite but combine it...

with 210216 we have a Kite, and possibly a Mystic Rectangle, butterfly and a Grand Cross.
with VALENTINE we have angel wings and a butterfly plus a few Yods.
AMOR we get a mystic rectangle.

I wonder if there something we can combine it with and get a star.

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posted October 04, 2015 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Awwww, the Isis-OSiris falls onto my NN on 10°09 Sagittarius!


I also found the aspects to 210216 rather astonishing to be honest. not always a conjunction, but it intrigued me.


Yeah I just don't feel that quantity equals quality that is why I want to look at the composite and synastry of two objects to determine the value of aspecting them together. Too often people favor security over super strong deep feelings so it not popping up like crazy to me does not take the value of 111111 aspect Valentine.

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posted October 04, 2015 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
210216-111111 composite has venus-juno-jupiter stellium with psyche nearby too conjuncting venus a little over 3d so the theme is about marriage/commitment and if we account for schrodinger-pluto trine moon which is part of composite Kite is also about multidimensionality..
I do like a lot the composite between the two and see value in using them to aspect each other and have showed my support in her thread about it.

Interestingly I dont like the discovery chart for Valentine all that much bc it lacks astrological patterns so its not very pretty visually . It has Jupiter conjunct Venus, Saturn conjunct Northnode and Atropos conjunct Sun; I guess that Venus conjunct Jupiter is why is called valentine in combination with the inevitability, fatedness and fatal attraction generated from Sun conjunct Atropos but the goal is to get rid of karma (northnode conjunct saturn). However, I DO love the composite of valentine with 111111, its quite lovely, I also like the composite of valentine with psyche but I am not that into the composite of Eros and Psyche strangely LOL...

I am starting to feel that some asteroids their power truly kicks in when coupled with the right asteroid/planet/object some are amazing standing on their own like Psyche; I love her discovery chart and she is in the top 10 most massive minor planets.

I wonder how the composite of nessus and dejanira look like and their discovery charts separately??

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posted October 04, 2015 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is 210216?

His Psyche gemini@18
My Psyche gemini@16
His 210216 gemini@17
His 111111 saggy@13

Comp-NN cap@11,Eros cap @10,Valentine cap@7

My Eros cap@10
His Eros cap@10
My Valentine cap@10
His Valentine cap@3

My 210216 scorp@12
His Isis scorp@12
My Osiris pisces@11
My 111111 pisces@15
My Isis taurus@15
His Osiris scorp@21
My NN scorp@21

Comp Osiris cap@16

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posted October 04, 2015 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^the composite of 210216 with Psyche is not impressive. Aspects between 210216 and 111111 are promising.

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posted October 04, 2015 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
^the composite of 210216 with Psyche is not impressive. Aspects between 210216 and 111111 are promising.

I can't believe what I found with these asteroids Hyp!! They are all connected to our Eros/Psyche and Osiris/Isis....

Where did this 210216 come from? Why did you decide to look at it?

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posted October 04, 2015 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Draco Vertex leo@29.39
His Trop NN pisces@2.02
In comp our-
210216 leo@29.51
111111 cap@28.57
Jupiter cap@27.00
My Draco Moon cap@27
Comp Draco Sun cap@26

210216 leo@29.51
111111 cap@28.58
Aries@29 is their midpoint...
My 11th harmonic Venus and NN aries@29
His 9th harmonic AC/131313 aries@29

Both of our Trop Eros/Psyche's midpoint is pisces@25-28, because our Eros/Eros are conjunct and Psyche/Psyche are conjunct...

Our Draco Valentine pisces@25
Our Draco Eros pisces@28

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posted October 04, 2015 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I can't believe what I found with these asteroids Hyp!! They are all connected to our Eros/Psyche and Osiris/Isis....

Where did this 210216 come from? Why did you decide to look at it?


That is Auby's baby, she had a hunch about combining it with 111111, here is the thread for it: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/003642.html

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posted October 04, 2015 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
In comp, our-
210216 leo@29.51
111111 cap@28.57
Jupiter cap@27.00

Aries@29 is there midpoint...


That is nice! I do feel 111111 and 210216 blend well together and have a marriage/commitment theme.

Valentine 111111 is more I feel about falling very deeply in love with jupiter-moon-pluto conjunction in the composite, eros-psyche, love stellium and isis-osiris; but is not necessarily about commitment or marriage.

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posted October 04, 2015 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
That is nice! I do feel 111111 and 210216 blend well together and have a marriage/commitment theme.

Valentine 111111 is more I feel about falling very deeply in love with jupiter-moon-pluto conjunction in the composite, eros-psyche, love stellium and isis-osiris; but is not necessarily about commitment or marriage.


Amazing!! Wow!

His Draco 111111 is cap@10, exact on my Valentine/Eros and his Eros.

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posted October 04, 2015 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
That is Auby's baby, she had a hunch about combining it with 111111, here is the thread for it: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/003642.html

Great work Aubyanne!

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posted October 04, 2015 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am looking at it again and that Jupiter-Moon-Pluto is opposing Saturn and squaring CHIRON so maybe 111111-Valentine is about falling deeply in love followed by heartbreak or about falling deeeply in love but circumstances getting in the way of being together leading to pain.

I dont like seeing saturn and chiron together is suppose to be the heart break clash but Chiron-moon and chiron-pluto is the cinderalla aspect so I guess it could go either way, perhaps both ways giving a heaven and hell theme.

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posted October 04, 2015 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am looking at it again and that Jupiter-Moon-Pluto is opposing Saturn and squaring CHIRON so maybe 111111-Valentine is about falling deeply in love followed by heartbreak or about falling deeeply in love but circumstances getting in the way of being together leading to pain.

I dont like seeing saturn and chiron together is suppose to be the heart break clash but Chiron-moon and chiron-pluto is the cinderalla aspect so I guess it could go either way, perhaps both ways giving a heaven and hell theme.


Well...that's no good!!
At the higher octave wouldn't that be about taking responsibility for pain, working through the Chiron issues in order to balance the Saturn opposed Jupiter-Pluto-Moon...

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posted October 04, 2015 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^Perhaps but actually there are no cinderalla aspects bc chiron is SQUARING moon and pluto:

"Cinderella linkages are enhancement angles (conjunction, trine, quincunx, parallel, contra-parallel) within Magi orbs of the following: Venus/Chiron, Jupiter/Chiron, Neptune/Chiron, Pluto/Chiron. Cinderella transits include the preceding, as well as transiting Chiron in enhancement aspects to natal Sun or Moon, or the brief transits of Sun or Moon to natal Chiron."

IDK its a beautiful chart but with a warning sign of Saturn squaring Chiron is how I see it.

"Two persons form a Heartbreak Clash when one person’s natal Saturn makes a square, quincunx, opposition or contra-parallel to the other person’s natal Chiron. Heartbreak Clashes can be formed in either the geocentric or Heliocentric charts.

When two persons form the Heartbreak Clash in their charts, and also have Romantic Linkages, they could think they are in love, but the most common outcome is heartbreak for one or both.

There are two distinct stages of a Heartbreak Clash.

The first stage is the Illusion Stage during which time the Heartbreak Clash will push the two persons close together and deceive both of them into thinking they are in love based on illusions about each other.

The second stage is the Heartbreak Stage, during which time the Heartbreak Clash dissolves the illusions, pushes the couple out of love, and prevents each person from giving the other the benefit of the doubt."

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posted October 04, 2015 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never agreed much with magi astrology...I see Chiron as pain, pain that needs to be worked through.

I do think TF's will touch this pain and quite likely are the only relationship strong enough to actually, fully heal that wound through love. Maybe that's the TF relationships deepest purpose...once we are freed of this wound that won't heal, we are freed of the pain of not knowing our highest self.
I think that wound is actually nothing more than the process of moving from our higher self and becoming human! I think it's losing perfection and losing our ability to be higher beings of light we truly are, and forgetting who we are. The pain is the separation and feeling of being abandoned by our family and our father, being thrown the earth to be in physical pain we have never experienced before. We forget where we came from and why we came here the longer we are separated. Healing that wound would mean coming full circle and remember who we are, why we came here and that we were not abondoned or cast out we chose this in order to learn a deeper love, how to love unconditionally. To learn how to put ourselves aside even as we are hurting and choose to love others even if they are part of why we are hurting.
So that T-Square doesn't seem out of place to me..it fits perfectly!
TF's are the ones who open us back up to who we are beyond humanity, our higher being.
Look at the TF relationships they are destructive and painful...but I'm sure there is a higher purpose maybe eventually we will see...right now all I see is the pain being forced to the surface of everyone involved in the TF relationship.
I've seen so many aspects to Chiron but rarely seen any that didn't hurt, actually I've never seen ANY that didn't hurt.
So their Cinderella link, I think is wrong.
Plus I've had this link a few times, hooked up to Moon, Jupiter, Venus and Juno....never felt anything extra special from it.

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