posted October 08, 2015 03:11 AM            

Yeah, since the Vertex Axis is fascinated by the planet person, they find what the planet person has to express interesting a relevant. The Vertex Axis person adores Venus person and is entertained by them in a compelling way. Meanwhile the planet person (Venus) feels appreciated by the Vertex Axis person, and understood by them, because of the way Vertex Axis person really listens, pays attention to them, and validates what they're saying. I can see how this would be great in friendship.

posted October 08, 2015 11:08 AM            

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The person with their Vertex Axis or North Node activated is transformed by the planet person. People are most often really attracted to planets on their NN or Vertex Axis. Like moths to a flame.

I wouldn't say the planet person feels absolutely nothing though. The planet person is usually able to sense a certain 'vulnerability' in the Axis person.

Touching someone's NN makes you want to help that person develop in some way. Sometimes the planet person my view the NN person as a clumsy baby who is likable but needs guidance. Just by being their natural self the planet person is able to teach the NN person new things. The NN person knows that deep down they need more of what the planet person has, and find themselves very drawn to the planet person for this reason. However, in negative relationships the NN person may resent the planet person's supposed 'superiority' in certain areas, while planet person may tend to roll their eyes at the NN person's underdeveloped tendencies in these same areas.

Touching someone's Vertex Axis allows you to tune on the other person's fated theme in life, or the energy of their path so to speak. Like the planet person can just feel what kind of topics are going to be meaningful or significant to the Vertex Axis person. It's an irrational thing like when a certain song reminds you of particular people and events in life. The planet person can feel the 'song' of the Vertex Axis person. If the Vertex Axis person's life were a song, the planet person can hear the melody, vibe, rhythm, of this song. This can entice the planet person or creep them out. In other words, just because the planet person can her the Vertex Axis person's 'song' (theme in life) doesn't mean they'll like it or hate it. Whether or not they like it depends on the rest of the synastry. If the overall synastry is bad, the planet person has an intuitive sense that the Vertex Axis person is headed down a path that planet person would not want to be a part of. This makes the planet person run so they don't inadvertently get sucked into the whirlpool of energy they sense around the Vertex Axis person. If the overall synastry is good, the planet person may be attracted to the notion of being a part of the Vertex Axis person's 'fate' somehow. In these cases the planet person is drawn to help the Vertex Axis person. Like they feel an urge to reveal things or provide information to the Vertex Axis person. Sometimes this seems to happen automatically on an unconscious level, and it's only in retrospect that it becomes clear what's happening. Basically the planet person is highly sensitive to the Vertex Axis person's vibe but weather or not they like it depends on other factors.

On the Vertex Axis person's side, they are usually fascinated by the planet person, and as a result of meeting them do find their life transformed in someway. Fascination is a funny thing though. We can be fascinated because something attracts us, or fascinated because we're frightened or wary of it. Sometimes our lives are changed for the better when people are kind and helpful to us. Sometimes our lives are turned upside down by cruel or ambivalent behavior from others. Having our Vertex Axis activated means that the planet person will feel very influential to us in a personal way. Our experience with them will feel meaningful but this can be in either a good or a bad way. I've usually found the Vertex Axis person is very attracted to the planet person and wants to be around them. With certain types of synastry though, the Vertex Axis person will instead see the planet person as a bad influence, and will see the planet person as a meaningful example of what they don't want, rather then what they do want.

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I agree with you lotiswhite 100% by the way I love your threads about it in the LL REFERENCE LIBRARY you gave the best explanation for this in my opinion.

posted October 08, 2015 11:19 AM            

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You echoed my thoughts here...and more eloquently than I could. Absolutely agree with you YG

Personally, I know that I am likely in the minority here, but I tend to be skeptical of isolating aspects and labeling them as responsible for producing a specific feeling or reaction (or even a specific "destiny"). There is a far more complicated exchange of energy occurring between two people and therefore I think these kinds of generalizations can possibly lead to misattribution in some cases - therefore I tend to not favor such a formulaic approach. Additionally, we all know that each person's experience will be different based on how (for example) the Vx and NN are aspected/activated natally as well as the general state of awareness of the individual (which is often overlooked). I think it's important to study the native's chart first - then one will be able to make an educated guess as to how a partner activating these points will affect the other's energy. Taking it one step further, it will be more apparent how these aspects might be observed in the relationship.

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Your so right FMvenusLove, we have to look at the natal chart first and see how that is activated for them. For example my girlfriend has her Neptune conjunct my NN, generally people will say that's bad...HOWEVER, so is her AMOR AND HER IC in capricorn....not only her neptune conjunct my North node it's also squaring my vertex and my moon in the 7th house and we do have neptune square moon DW....

I see neptune conjunct her IC AND AMOR as something she went through that is part of her unconscious, habital patterns, and familial background and place that she calls "comfort" cause remember the IC is the place where we feel at comfort it represents the homeland our home with our family especially our mother etc. So.....I've been trying to figure this one out for a while but I personally don't see neptune on my NN as something negative I mean she has never deceived me at least not yet...

posted October 08, 2015 03:36 PM            

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I too am curious about Vertex conjunct North Node in synastry now that I've absorbed the respective interpretations for both. Combined would that just be an insane, black hole of energy?

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Never even thought of this, but when I noticed that it'd be a Cap rising, I had to investigate. Sure enough.

It's 2º, which is a bit wide, but, boy, did he suck me in. It was entirely fate that we met, and the telepathy was through the roof. I was so weak and vulnerable around him, and he was this strong, stable, rock of a force. I felt like a little girl in admiration of her big brother. I really needed help with healing some of that deep karma. I think he did, too.

He taught me to write for television, because that's his industry, and he's pro. Prior to that, I was grasping at straws. Our charts is pretty fascinating. Plus a 1º SUN-MOON conjunction in composite.

I'm almost certain where he fits into my 'karmic history', even though we both had spontaneous recall of the most significant lifeline, within a few hours of meeting. He'd recently become fascinated by real astrology, and so I taught him. He was amazed by the accuracy of my methods. I'm going, 'it's just the astrology, dude.' Then I later told him that he would marry his girlfriend. He didn't exactly believe me. Then, months later, with a sly grin, he tells me that he proposed over the weekend. And was it right around the time I'd mentioned he would? Why, yes. Yes, it was.

He will always be one of the several I thank, if I ever get that Emmy. After he's walked off with his, of course. Of course.

Yeah. Few have affected me like him, and continued to do so. He was looking for a mentor, but got a protege instead. Ah, well. I told him that meant he was actually ready to get back out there and kick some major ass. Lo and behold, he was.

posted October 09, 2015 12:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
The person with their Vertex Axis or North Node activated is transformed by the planet person. People are most often really attracted to planets on their NN or Vertex Axis. Like moths to a flame.

I wouldn't say the planet person feels absolutely nothing though. The planet person is usually able to sense a certain 'vulnerability' in the Axis person.

Touching someone's NN makes you want to help that person develop in some way. Sometimes the planet person my view the NN person as a clumsy baby who is likable but needs guidance. Just by being their natural self the planet person is able to teach the NN person new things. The NN person knows that deep down they need more of what the planet person has, and find themselves very drawn to the planet person for this reason. However, in negative relationships the NN person may resent the planet person's supposed 'superiority' in certain areas, while planet person may tend to roll their eyes at the NN person's underdeveloped tendencies in these same areas.

Touching someone's Vertex Axis allows you to tune on the other person's fated theme in life, or the energy of their path so to speak. Like the planet person can just feel what kind of topics are going to be meaningful or significant to the Vertex Axis person. It's an irrational thing like when a certain song reminds you of particular people and events in life. The planet person can feel the 'song' of the Vertex Axis person. If the Vertex Axis person's life were a song, the planet person can hear the melody, vibe, rhythm, of this song. This can entice the planet person or creep them out. In other words, just because the planet person can her the Vertex Axis person's 'song' (theme in life) doesn't mean they'll like it or hate it. Whether or not they like it depends on the rest of the synastry. If the overall synastry is bad, the planet person has an intuitive sense that the Vertex Axis person is headed down a path that planet person would not want to be a part of. This makes the planet person run so they don't inadvertently get sucked into the whirlpool of energy they sense around the Vertex Axis person. If the overall synastry is good, the planet person may be attracted to the notion of being a part of the Vertex Axis person's 'fate' somehow. In these cases the planet person is drawn to help the Vertex Axis person. Like they feel an urge to reveal things or provide information to the Vertex Axis person. Sometimes this seems to happen automatically on an unconscious level, and it's only in retrospect that it becomes clear what's happening. Basically the planet person is highly sensitive to the Vertex Axis person's vibe but weather or not they like it depends on other factors.

On the Vertex Axis person's side, they are usually fascinated by the planet person, and as a result of meeting them do find their life transformed in someway. Fascination is a funny thing though. We can be fascinated because something attracts us, or fascinated because we're frightened or wary of it. Sometimes our lives are changed for the better when people are kind and helpful to us. Sometimes our lives are turned upside down by cruel or ambivalent behavior from others. Having our Vertex Axis activated means that the planet person will feel very influential to us in a personal way. Our experience with them will feel meaningful but this can be in either a good or a bad way. I've usually found the Vertex Axis person is very attracted to the planet person and wants to be around them. With certain types of synastry though, the Vertex Axis person will instead see the planet person as a bad influence, and will see the planet person as a meaningful example of what they don't want, rather then what they do want.

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I want to thank you for taking the time to write such an in depth analysis of both points.

posted October 09, 2015 01:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
You and your ex have all three axises in conjunction! The Nodal, the angle and the Vertex axis. It's so powerful, that one. And rare.

I bet none of you can't ever shake off the memories even after years.

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Exactly! its been over 10 years now...

Further this involves his IC and My AC which is at the GC and my own vertex conjuncts valentine and true priapus and all this trines his Vertex.

Further my true priapus opposite true lilith square his true lilith so yeah every time I see him I feel like his a giant magnet and we can't ever not touch each other or not be intimate no matter how much time passes is always the same. He is tattooed to my soul yes, that is how it feels.

So yeah all the points are clustered together and connected:

His IC-Neptune conjuncts My AC at the GC conjunct his vertex and my southnode which trines my vertex-valentine-true priapus which squares his true lilith becoming the apex of tsquare involving my true lilith opposite true priapus-valentine-vertex.

posted October 09, 2015 08:56 AM              

Couples also have composite Vertex conj DSC very often, or Vertex in the 7th house. If not, they will have some important vertex configuration or aspects from planets. But the nodal contact, apparently, is a must.

I enjoyed Orange's emphasis on luminaries as being an IT factor (although kinda gloomy description for the rest ) for both synastric and composite nodal contacts. Saturn seems to be common too, in the composite.
The composite planet connected to the nodes will show us the energy the couple conjures or needs to move forward, a flavor of the relationship. They all have huge potential for connective value, all planets. The more planets connected to the nodes in the composite, the more significant the relationship.

About synastric contacts, they are all a potential plus, in my view, It all depends if we have a "relationship" synastry in the first place; or a focal, "lesson" synastry. (transitory relationship whose purpose is a lesson, a stepstone). Very often, stepstone synastries have an important nodal contact; most often, a planet/NN conjunction. But the rest of the synastry is scattered or poorly activated. The node person is generally the one receiving the lesson full front, although the planet may learn something important too. Or the planet simply guides, facilitates a transition for the node, for a while. The reason for these synastries dissolving is not the nodal contact and the planet there, but the rest of it not being connective. The nodal contact shows us the nature of the lesson and it is a marker for a focal synastry (it says the meeting is about NN integrating this lesson into their life path, for future reference, as part of their evolution)I think the same happens to vertex contacts too, if they are just focal.

I have Neptune 7 deg from my NN, a wide conjunction. However, this configuration is part of the Neptune Jupiter mutual reception I was born with and my NN is in Sag, so ruled by this mutual reception. Neptune is definitely my nodal planet, although the actual conjunction is wide. Neptune is guiding me on my path and it is also a purpose. Almost everyone I have and connect with romantically, and friends, my generations, will have Neptune there. If they don't, they almost 100% always have something in Sag (Sun, Mercury, Moon etc.) on my NN Neptune, if I look at all my relationships. These people, the Neptunes and everyone else being there, actually support me on my path and there is shared energy, and usually a strong spiritual, soul connection, even psychic, and everything Neptune brings (such as shared spiritual goals with a collective, kinship, shared love for the arts, esoterics, astrology and the otherworldly, compassion and humanitarian values and goals, and so much more). They are my soul group. So I don't think we can judge the effects of a planet on the nodes outside the natal chart, and of course, I think we should remember not to demonize Neptune.

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posted October 09, 2015 10:59 AM            

My North Node conjuncts my ASC exactly, and my South Node conjuncts my Sun tightly by 1'.
I suppose only people who have a Node prominent in their natal chart know how the Node actually operates. I think Ceridwen has the same conjunction like mine.

The Nodes are very very capricious and selective. Very demanding! We are very careful which planet from another person comes to touch us, extremely selective in that regard. I personally won't allow anyone to put a planet on my South Node, it feels very yucky to me. it feels as "old story" who does not need to be repeated. There were different people in my past with Sun and/or Venus or Mars being very attracted to my South Node, and I ran away almost immediately. It felt like gagging. The only planet I don't mind there is Jupiter.

My North Node is very special to me as it guides me moving ahead and fuels my path with wonderful energy. I am very grateful to my North Node on my ASC for pulling me ahead, continuously so.
Because the North Node is so important to me, it is very very rarely that I meet/get attracted to or attract someone who puts directly a planet on my North Node, it feels to me as if they distract me from my goals.

My recent love, he has Venus and DSC on my North Node, which never happened before, and he does bring love in my life, but I acknowledge that he kinda messed up my life and was brought to me because at this point in my life, this is what I needed, my North Node needs that energy as a stepping stone in order to move forward. At one point , before I met him, I felt like my life was stalling and it needed extra energy. And I got it.

posted October 09, 2015 11:28 AM              

People say that about node/planet dynamics because the nodal axis is your life path. It's a road, a journey; you start on the SN and then while carrying the south node with you, you walk on this path and meet all kinds of challenges, lessons, rewards; these are the planets you meet on the nodal axis. You don't get to choose what you meet on the way. But sometimes you meet a "no, I don't need this in my future"; this is a lesson too, for it helps you realize what you DON'T want, which is equally important.
There is a little flaw with Aries/ASC placements: the feeling of control and total independence and self-made. While these placements do bring this power, more than others, there is also a little delusion here, just like when child Aries starts the zodiac and thinks everything is or will be about him, the number 1 feeling, which leads to Aries getting some headbutts on the way. ASC placements make us all feel number 1, they are one source in the chart for that.
But the reality I think is our destinies are part of a large network of souls evolving together and neither is more important than the others, so basically no one is served, we are all servants and kings equally.

So yes, I think the planet is this guide or companion on the way, for a short time or for life (even if they teach you what to discard) and then the planet learns a lot about what it means to be a guide, companion, inspiration on someone's life path. They are not your trail of fans although it may seem so to you, as a NN/ASC. A NN/ASC of course has as life path finding and expressing oneself, and all your nodal guides will help you do that.

On the other hand, it is possible for a planet to be inspired by someone's life path, to make a model out of it. The same happens with the MC; planets conj MC behave both ways, so it seems. Both MC and the planet can be the model, alternatively. It's not cut in stone. Sometimes the planet energizes the MC and makes it move forward; or sometimes the planet is a fan or the supporter of the MC (it may depend on the planet and how it manifests: for example Venus can be a model of beauty, grace or refinement for the node or the MC, or Venus loves the MC and the node - age may play a role too, for both MC and NN may become more pregnant and visible as we advance in age).

We also meet our rewards on the nodal axis, not just lessons. A planet on the nodal axis will be a constant source of rewards, if you practice and respect its energy. In fact, we fulfill your destiny when you do, and in the natal, it shows how someone can fulfill theirs, the manner in which their highest potential will be reached.
A fanclub or a trail of followers is basically a reward, although it always brings additional responsibility too. Think of all the fan letters you need to answer to

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posted October 09, 2015 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
My North Node conjuncts my ASC exactly, and my South Node conjuncts my Sun tightly by 1'.
I suppose only people who have a Node prominent in their natal chart know how the Node actually operates. I think Ceridwen has the same conjunction like mine.

The Nodes are very very capricious and selective. Very demanding! We are very careful which planet from another person comes to touch us, extremely selective in that regard. I personally won't allow anyone to put a planet on my South Node, it feels very yucky to me. it feels as "old story" who does not need to be repeated. There were different people in my past with Sun and/or Venus or Mars being very attracted to my South Node, and I ran away almost immediately. It felt like gagging. The only planet I don't mind there is Jupiter.

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Wow, yes! I completely understand what you mean. My NN is conjunct my Moon which makes my Moon an even more hypersensitive space in my chart than it would be by itself. Any energy that sits there.. well, I'm extremely picky about it, which is why I usually have good "intuition" when it comes to letting in certain people in my life. It's also probably why I hate Moon conjunct Moon in romantic synastry - an unevolved moon there is not dreamy and comforting, it's something I feel like I need to disinfect myself from. I rarely have ever humored toxic energy vampires once I became an adult and could differentiate from good energy and bad energy. I know it's because my Moon in North Node-flavored.

Like you, I feel revolted whenever a planet is near my south node. Yet, my boyfriend's Jupiter is there and I don't mind it at all! If you believe in past life astrology, apparently the Jupiter person was a great mentor/teacher to you in a past life, and they're appearing in this current incarnation to continue the "guardian" themes in the current interpersonal dynamic.

Whenever my Venus has fallen on an individual's south node, and their north node was featured prominently in their chart, while there was an otherworldly attraction, they had to take several steps backwards from me. I completely understand that. It's always how I feel about anyone that has planets in the sign of my SN (again exempting Jupiter here).

posted October 09, 2015 12:01 PM            

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by Athenaia
and implements forward moving momentum from that future-inclined energy
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Athena,

I love how you put it. Simple, yet straight to the point.
You know how it feels!

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LeeLoo,

I think , and i now realize it after reading your eloquent response, that there is a huge difference in Node operation depending if it is connected to a planet or an angle in the natal chart, or of it is free floating.

I cannot speak for the people whose Nodes are free floating and unengaged with other planets/ angles in their own chart , but what you speak about in your post most likely applies to unengaged node in the natal.

I already expressed how a busy natal Node operates.

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Aunt Anomalia knows the feel, too.

posted October 09, 2015 01:13 PM              

What I am trying to say is that meeting planets contacting your nodes IS a lesson about yourself. It cannot happen unless you meet them. This is how their "guide" mission is fulfilled. Guide doesn't mean someone you follow, in my view. It means someone paying their contribution to your life path. You can't realize how picky and demanding, selective, independent you are, how much you want to go further on your path without such an energy, without them with you, unless they cross your path and "guide" you this way. Things we reject are as important as things we embrace.

I think the sign (+ house) of the node matters too. If your NN is in Aries, since Aries teaches us about "me" time, being a little selfish, an energy which is very important like any other, and an Aries NN needs to become independent and take care or put themselves first for a change, stand out, manifest self-actualization and affirmation, the meetings will, either positive or apparently negative, help with that. You are more tempted to see how much you move forward by being by yourself, stepping forward independently, striking out on your own, putting yourself first. NN/ASC is similar energy.

If the NN is in a relational sign, you tend to see how much the others helped you on the way, for part of the lesson is to realize that, to be part of a couple or a group, to understand how interconnected we are as opposed to Aries energy, when your mission is to understand how strong you are on your own.

EDIT: BTW my NN is connected to everything in my chart

conj Neptune
conj POF almost exact
opp Karma
sq Sun ( and Venus wider) on one side and Jupiter Juno stellium on the other
trine Moon exact
trine Chiron

it is the mdp of my ASC and MC and semisextiles both

it is also the mdp of my 8th house stellium and Lilith trine. it sextiles Mercury, which is the stellium mdp on one side, and Lilith on the other.

it makes a Yod with DSC/Saturn and my IC

it's actually one of the legs of my 12th star in my chart

my NN is in Sag 11th

There is nothing in my chart not connected to my NN

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posted October 09, 2015 03:17 PM            

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I wanted to add to this beautiful thread that in this case, to understand how connective the nodal and vertices contacts are in the synastry, one must look at the composite. Couples have planets connected to nodes in the composite; I suspect always. A hard aspect seems to weigh more, conj to either ends or the square. But soft aspects are good too, if they are the right aspect in the economy of the composite.

Couples also have composite Vertex conj DSC very often, or Vertex in the 7th house. If not, they will have some important vertex configuration or aspects from planets. But the nodal contact, apparently, is a must.

I enjoyed Orange's emphasis on luminaries as being an IT factor (although kinda gloomy description for the rest ) for both synastric and composite nodal contacts. Saturn seems to be common too, in the composite.
The composite planet connected to the nodes will show us the energy the couple conjures or needs to move forward, a flavor of the relationship. They all have huge potential for connective value, all planets. The more planets connected to the nodes in the composite, the more significant the relationship.

About synastric contacts, they are all a potential plus, in my view, It all depends if we have a "relationship" synastry in the first place; or a focal, "lesson" synastry. (transitory relationship whose purpose is a lesson, a stepstone). Very often, stepstone synastries have an important nodal contact; most often, a planet/NN conjunction. But the rest of the synastry is scattered or poorly activated. The node person is generally the one receiving the lesson full front, although the planet may learn something important too. Or the planet simply guides, facilitates a transition for the node, for a while. The reason for these synastries dissolving is not the nodal contact and the planet there, but the rest of it not being connective. The nodal contact shows us the nature of the lesson and it is a marker for a focal synastry (it says the meeting is about NN integrating this lesson into their life path, for [b]future reference, as part of their evolution)I think the same happens to vertex contacts too, if they are just focal.

I have Neptune 7 deg from my NN, a wide conjunction. However, this configuration is part of the Neptune Jupiter mutual reception I was born with and my NN is in Sag, so ruled by this mutual reception. Neptune is definitely my nodal planet, although the actual conjunction is wide. Neptune is guiding me on my path and it is also a purpose. Almost everyone I have and connect with romantically, and friends, my generations, will have Neptune there. If they don't, they almost 100% always have something in Sag (Sun, Mercury, Moon etc.) on my NN Neptune, if I look at all my relationships. These people, the Neptunes and everyone else being there, actually support me on my path and there is shared energy, and usually a strong spiritual, soul connection, even psychic, and everything Neptune brings (such as shared spiritual goals with a collective, kinship, shared love for the arts, esoterics, astrology and the otherworldly, compassion and humanitarian values and goals, and so much more). They are my soul group. So I don't think we can judge the effects of a planet on the nodes outside the natal chart, and of course, I think we should remember not to demonize Neptune.

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This is the composite with what feels my closest friend in my life right now. I feel this girl gets me in so many levels and I feel we want the same things and are going in the same direction. Her Venus conjuncts exact my VERTEX.

posted October 09, 2015 04:03 PM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
LL,

busy Node = tight conjunction to a planet/s or an angle (natal).

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I honestly don't get what a busy node is, for if someone has a planet conjunct or opposed or square or trine or a complex configuration, it doesn't mean NN conj something is busier than others? Why would it be?

Someone with a nodal sq is as busy as someone with a conj.

It's just a different symbolism.
For example the sq as energy is a very dynamic structure constantly uniting past and future, that person's destiny is very energetic, like any sq which is in fact a tense bow; this is the most active geometric structure, the most actional. In this case, the big impact happens because the sq planet is actually on the SN/NN mdp, and this is huge. They can actively and periodically refurbish and use all experiences in their life, recycle them, and maybe some from previous lives too. People with nodal squares sometimes have more than one life in their life.

NN conj an angle: a more narrow, focused path on that specific angle. Because of the focus, it's harder, or not necessary to look back, since the path is narrow and specific, you have no place to turn and look back The main purpose in that life is that specific angle. It's like a shooting arrow for that angle in particular. The whole axis counts, but the direction will be the angle. NN conj ASC: the purpose of everything is the ASC, acquiring and expressing the self; NN conj DSC: the purpose is becoming the partner described by the DSC and their life path is focused on a particular relationship or relationships. All life experience is channeled into that angle.

NN conj ASC is a more focused, precise, impactful form of NN in the 1st house.

Everything conj the SN is something we are born with, a familiar energy we need to perpetuate, partially or sometimes totally discard, but generally transform and use to move towards NN.

Everything conj the NN is unfamiliar energy to us, it's something we strive for, aim at, learn to acquire. Therefore, every person touching your nodal axis is showing you the future, either by negation or affirmation of their energy. We can agree to disagree, but I think the main difference in our views is because you think someone can use and suck out the life of someone else, while I believe there is no such thing. Everything we take, we give back some place else. Everyone popping up on our life path, liked or disliked by us, are not randomly there. Both the one giving and the one receiving learn a valuable lesson. Also, making a step forward in life does not always mean having a pleasant experience or having the upper hand in a situation. You can move forward by experiencing a harsh lesson through the planet person, while they have the upper hand all the time.

There's no looser and winner, as you depicted the nodal exchanges with planets. There's always an exchange: even if one of them suffers, that is a life lesson too. Pain is equally valid as lesson. We are angels and guides for others, while others are the same for us. No one is spared from this exchange.

Stepping stone does not necessarily mean taking someone's scalp or stepping on their head to move forward. It can mean helping someone at a very precise moment, the right someone, the right moment. Or it can mean the right sacrifice coming from the nodal axis person.

Since the NN is your life path, everything touching your nodal axis in natal and synastry is about YOUR life path, not theirs. About your lessons, your challenges, your rewards, your accomplishments. But going forward in life is not necessarily going towards a better life, you know, in mortal terms. One can go forward to meet an incurable disease they need to face. Or some crushing failures and tragedies. And people and things on the way are helping you get there. That's why NN is not exclusively positive as human experience, as some astrologers tend to depict it. It's our destiny in this incarnation, no matter what it is. Of course, this ultimate purpose is positive, for you have chosen that path because you need those specific lessons.

In the end, the NN is also the point where we die; that's why people have things on their NN when this happens, especially a nodal return by transits. A new cycle begins.

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posted October 09, 2015 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I honestly don't get what..

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Like I said, only someone who has a prominent Node, like the Nodal axis tightly conjuncting another planet/ angle in their natal would understand what I am talking about. I'll add a tight square to the Nodes too, as part of the skipped step phenomena. And I'd leave it at that.