posted October 09, 2015 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Awww that is such a sweet picture, hypatia, you are both two beauties...although I must say, it took me some effort to actually see you two, because of the cake

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posted October 09, 2015 05:11 PM              

To me, a prominent node is someone with a prominent destiny on a global level and this goes beyond a certain aspect.

Otherwise, all of us are on our nodal path fulfilling it, so we're all equally busy with it.

It is interesting you have your Sun on your SN, it means part of your nodal path is to alchemically transgress your Sun: ego, personality, self image, the one you were born with and acquired in your family, in order to fulfill your nodal mission, which is your ASC. As a Virgo Sun, the pressure to go there and the pull of your combined axis can make you very selective, and the Virgo Sun there may be an important reason for the pickiness and selectivity you describe. Just a thought As someone with a SUN/SN/DSC opp to ASC, you probably like squares to these combined axes channeled in a very specific direction, rather than conj or other aspects. Also, as a Sun conj SN/DSC, your lesson is to learn to get rid/let go of certain people/relationships in order to become yourself, rather than the other way around.

This is a very interesting conversation, Orange.

posted October 09, 2015 05:27 PM              

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Lmao, my stomach hurt a little when you made me laugh with the cake joke. It was her bday.

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posted October 09, 2015 05:50 PM            

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by LeeLoo
As a Virgo Sun, the pressure to go there and the pull of your combined axis can make you very selective, and the Virgo Sun there may be an important reason for the pickiness and selectivity you describe. Just a thought Also, as a Sun conj SN/DSC, your lesson is to learn to get rid of certain people in order to become yourself, rather than the other way around

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Yeeeees, exactly, sis!!! You got that right now.

And this is precisely what i meant by a "busy" Node - when the nodal axis is disbalanced by planets on one end conjuncting one part of the axis, especially the South Node, the North is fighting to keep the balance. Pushing other people's planets away from the South and concentrating one's energy on the north node in order to maintain its focus on the future goals and dont get stuck in old patterns. The struggle for balance makes the native carefully vetting any potential partner's planets conjuncting the north node which may disrupt the process, being an unfamiliar territory.
It is done on a very subconscious level.

posted October 09, 2015 06:07 PM              

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Originally posted by Orange:

My South Node is overbeared by the Sun and the DSC, and BML ( always in relationships since adolescence) , so in order to maintain my identity, my North Node on the ASC acts like " butt off, enough of other people, leave me alone. This is my corner, my personal space."

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posted October 09, 2015 07:49 PM            

My NN is conj. my DC 2° in my 7th house, and trines my Moon 0°. It makes other tight aspects to other planets, but the trine to the Moon has always confused me a bit. Since my SN is in Cancer conj. my AC and they're both ruled by my Moon, how does the 'moving away from the SN' process coincide with my NN 0° trine my Moon? How do I move away from the Cancerian/lunar energy and expression of my SN AND use my Moon/lunar energy to grow toward my NN/DC?It seems contradictory, so it confuses me.

I feel a very strong pull lately to grow in the direction of my NN, and I've been trying to get a better grasp of it. It always seems hazy to me and a solid understanding of it always feels elusive. Reading what you wrote on the subject helped me a lot.

posted October 09, 2015 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
she makes you feel home, right? with that NN/IC and Mars in the 6th/ What is Eros doing?

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Yes she feels like coming home that is very true which I am sure she loves that as well specially since she is a cancer and we both value bonding at a deep level since my venus conjunct her vertex fall in the 8th house in each of our natals.

To answer your MARS in the 6th question:
We are both in the psychology field, we met at work and we got hired at the same time for the same position just her and I and started working the same day, we were both working on our master's degree then. I left the company first once I graduated and then she left it a few months later to work on her counseling practicum. We both want to leave Florida and both love psychology; we are practicing therapists under supervision working towards getting our license, our conversations always have a psychology element or undercurrent to it bc it is our passion and we find in each other someone who gets us in that level; I feel that is why we have our Mars conjuncts Eros in the 6th TRINE Psyche in the 2nd as after all that is how we earn a living. I joke that it would be funny if we end up moving to the same state; who knows maybe we will end up working together again in the mean time we keep in touch and meet up every now and then and it always feels great.

posted October 09, 2015 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:

Also wanted to add: hypatia, you have such a friendly face.

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Thanks that means a lot. In the spirit of this thread:

posted October 10, 2015 05:44 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I want to thank you for taking the time to write such an in depth analysis of both points.

Its interesting one of the reasons why I started this thread is bc my close friend whose vertex conjuncts exact my VENUS started dating a guy whose Jupiter conjuncts her vertex by 1d and she is gobsmacked by his spiritual/religious views but in a wary frightened way as he is very zealous to say the least; he has a singleton Jupiter in LEO, Jupiter is the only planet in a fire sign he has. He also has a singleton Pluto; Pluto is the only planet he has in an air sign. Further he has mars conjunct Nessus and Dejanira and Nessus-Dejanira inconjunct his Neptune; he wants to start a music band to send subliminal messages to the whole world about his spiritual views to convert people to his religious beliefs.

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Thanks,

posted October 10, 2015 07:41 AM              

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
LeeLoo, I just wanted to say I can't express how much I appreciate the contributions you've made to this thread. You have a gift for articulating your knowledge in a very clear and concise way.

My NN is conj. my DC 2° in my 7th house, and trines my Moon 0°. It makes other tight aspects to other planets, but the trine to the Moon has always confused me a bit. Since my SN is in Cancer conj. my AC and they're both ruled by my Moon, how does the 'moving away from the SN' process coincide with my NN 0° trine my Moon? How do I move away from the Cancerian/lunar energy and expression of my SN AND use my Moon/lunar energy to grow toward my NN/DC?It seems contradictory, so it confuses me.

I feel a very strong pull lately to grow in the direction of my NN, and I've been trying to get a better grasp of it. It always seems hazy to me and a solid understanding of it always feels elusive. Reading what you wrote on the subject helped me a lot.

Also wanted to add: hypatia, you have such a friendly face.

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Thank you, WH, it means a lot to me

This is a very significant aspect. Moon in Virgo is your chart ruler. Making it short, your current life path is part of a complex configuration meant to create a constant balance between ASC/DSC. In a way, you are moving towards NN/DSC, then back to SN/ASC, back and forth, until the mastery of your theme here, which is becoming a good partner, wife and mother. Becoming Cardinal with that, with Cancer/Cap on ASC/DSC axis linked to what happens on your cardinal MC/IC.

This theme comes from a combination of markers:

- NN/DSC in Cap ruler by Saturn linked to the Moon through rulership and NN/SN + ASC/DSC theme, a Moon/Saturn theme

- Once getting in this important partnership, your marriage probably, the partnership nodal Yod with Sun/Venus and Ceres takes you back to your ASC/Hera/Mars (MC ruler) for refurbishments of SN/ASC/Mars/Hera values and then back on DSC/NN

- Juno/Jupiter near IC

- In the meantime, Moon chart ruler is fueling this constant flow and cycles through Wedging the nodal axis, from SN to NN. All planets aspecting the nodal axis are creating a closed, triangle structure, which makes them supervise, like the rudder of a ship, the journey, from the apex. With a Wedge, there is some sort of smooth sailing, and also slow development of personal, inner gifts, while at the same time there is acceptance from the outside. Moon Pluto is a challenge for mothers/wives, and so is Uranus conj IC. Moon/Pluto in the theme here, with Ceres part of it, calls for a transformation of the lunar principle in relation to partnerships and possibly motherhood. There must have been some constant important lessons/events in your life related to Moon themes. Moon/Pluto is connected to the Yod through Sun/Venus sq too.

Your whole chart, or its main theme, your main destiny, is about Moon/Saturn, Juno/Hera/Jupiter, Sun/Venus + Mars/ASC + Moon/Pluto. Yin/Yangs. Acquiring mastery as an accomplished committed partner.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted October 10, 2015 08:34 AM              

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes she feels like coming home that is very true which I am sure she loves that as well specially since she is a cancer and we both value bonding at a deep level since my venus conjunct her vertex fall in the 8th house in each of our natals.

To answer your MARS in the 6th question:
We are both in the psychology field, we met at work and we got hired at the same time for the same position just her and I and started working the same day, we were both working on our master's degree then. I left the company first once I graduated and then she left it a few months later to work on her counseling practicum. We both want to leave Florida and both love psychology; we are practicing therapists under supervision working towards getting our license, our conversations always have a psychology element or undercurrent to it bc it is our passion and we find in each other someone who gets us in that level; I feel that is why we have our Mars conjuncts Eros in the 6th TRINE Psyche in the 2nd as after all that is how we earn a living. I joke that it would be funny if we end up moving to the same state; who knows maybe we will end up working together again in the mean time we keep in touch and meet up every now and then and it always feels great.

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posted June 29, 2017 11:00 PM            

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Vertex is a point, it does not emit energy, it only receives.
Usually, whatever planet touches the Vertex, the Vertex feels gobsmacked about it. I dont like it, one starts acting like a lunatic, and assumes stuff.
The planet person does not feel a thing.

Jupiter on Vertex would inject confidence into the Vertex person, will make them feel giddy-up. It's a great feeling. Depending on the rest of the synastry, the vertex person will be made to feel as if they can do anything. Until the Jupiter person goes away. Then Vertex is back to normal. And wonders what had hit them in the head.

The Node is a point too. It uses mercilessly the energy of the planet that lands on it, in order to advance itself forward. Once the planet is sucked dry and stops giving their energy away, the Node drops them like a hot potato and keeps on going.

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if the planet person prematurely decides to cut off the energy supply to the Node and leaves without an advance notice, then the Node goes berserk, it needs the planet badly. Eventually, it moves on, however. North Node always keeps moving forward.

Saturn sticks to the Node like a glue, It's so hard to escape once the union is formed, as neither wants to be the looser. Off and on, off and on.

Chiron brings pain to the Node. First they het hooked under the pretense of healing, but in the end, it's all about pain that Chiron unloads on the Node.

Venus brings love to the Node. If Venus has an endless supply of love for the Node, they may stick for a life time. Most likely than not, thou, Venus will demand something back in return and thats when the Node will shrug their shoulders and keep on riding without Venus.

Neptune is totally going to confuse the Node. It's like walking thru quicksand. A relationship between the two doesn't last long. Node has a mission, Neptune does not.

Mars will demand things going his way. That's not what the Node envisions. Node doesn't need to tell Mars what to do, but it also wants to be left alone to take its own decisions. Arguments begin and the Node runs away. Usually before the Mars stabs them.

Sun feels great. Sun wants the best, so does the Node. These two are best friends.

The Moon feels great riding on the Nodes back. The rides are long, nice, feel like home, it could be a lifetime ride, if the Moon doesnt create problems for the Node ( afflicted Moon).

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posted June 30, 2017 05:58 PM            

in the 1980's nasa launched a series of satellites stationed around the sun to observe the sun close up. at one point nasa turned all the satellites outward and they discovered that a plane of golden irradiation light emanated from the equator/vertex of the sun. this plane of energy extended as far as the satellites could see.
so the vertex has a tangible energy and for that matter is stronger than any planetary energy because it remained coherent throughout and beyond the solar system.

my experience with composite is that any time the vertex is conjunct the composite ascendant both people involved have shared similar otherworldly/other dimensional coincides or synchronistic experiences that they never thought another person could understand . very often this gives a sense of fate or destiny to the relationship, though most often these experience do not help the relationship become stable or committed.

likewise the node is not a point. it is the endpoints of an axis . the nodal axis is the foundation of the oscillating field described by the moon movement.

so again the node is a energy field , not a nothing.

the vertex and the nodes are in fact superior to any planet ,in that these symbols will energize the archetype symbolized by the planet.

and even if they were just points, what are the MC,IC, ascendant descendant ,Arabic part , midpoints? do these not have aspects ?

humanist astrology of the last 4-5decades has become a discourse in astro babble just as humanistic psychology has
degenerated into psycho babble that conceals the true dynamics of experience.

posted June 30, 2017 06:52 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
first off I'd like to correct the obvious mistakes on this thread. the vertex is not a point ,it is a end point,one of two defined in a natal chart.the vertex and east point or the antivertex describe the axis.
more importantly the vertex is not a enery less "point.

in the 1980's nasa launched a series of satellites stationed around the sun to observe the sun close up. at one point nasa turned all the satellites outward and they discovered that a plane of golden irradiation light emanated from the equator/vertex of the sun. this plane of energy extended as far as the satellites could see.
so the vertex has a tangible energy and for that matter is stronger than any planetary energy because it remained coherent throughout and beyond the solar system.

my experience with composite is that any time the vertex is conjunct the composite ascendant both people involved have shared similar otherworldly/other dimensional coincides or synchronistic experiences that they never thought another person could understand . very often this gives a sense of fate or destiny to the relationship, though most often these experience do not help the relationship become stable or committed.

likewise the node is not a point. it is the endpoints of an axis . the nodal axis is the foundation of the oscillating field described by the moon movement.

so again the node is a energy field , not a nothing.

the vertex and the nodes are in fact superior to any planet ,in that these symbols will energize the archetype symbolized by the planet.

and even if they were just points, what are the MC,IC, ascendant descendant ,Arabic part , midpoints? do these not have aspects ?

humanist astrology of the last 4-5decades has become a discourse in astro babble just as humanistic psychology has
degenerated into psycho babble that conceals the true dynamics of experience.

reading through the other feedback, it is clear that the vertex is an active force experience by many astrolgers here.
todd

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posted July 25, 2017 03:20 AM            

I recently started a relationship that I feel is going to be significant. I don't know yet about long-lasting, though it has come up and we both seem to think it's possible.

His Sun is opposite my NN-Moon conjunction, and my Sun is square his NN. He gave me his number at my job. The way he was looking at me, I thought corporate had sent him in to observe me, LOL. So attraction was the furthest thing from my mind, but he was hooked as soon as he saw me. I was hooked as soon as we started actually talking.

The one line about Sun-NN contacts being best friends describes us well, I think. Our lives right now are not exactly conducive to the relationship we want, but we both care about each other deeply, and are trying to ride it out. We've had some small disagreements already, but we listen to each other and respect how the other feels. He's said as much already in more words, and I feel the same for him, that he really just wants the best for me, and for me to do what will make me happy.