posted October 07, 2015 10:28 PM            

VERTEX means turning point so if someone's vertex conjuncts another person's JUPITER then the vertex person will transform his higher mind marking a turning point for them??? Or is Jupiter blowing up the mind of Vertex with his beliefs marking a turning point for the vertex person? Can it go either way or both ways?.

posted October 07, 2015 11:09 PM            

Jupiter on Vertex would inject confidence into the Vertex person, will make them feel giddy-up. It's a great feeling. Depending on the rest of the synastry, the vertex person will be made to feel as if they can do anything. Until the Jupiter person goes away. Then Vertex is back to normal. And wonders what had hit them in the head.

The Node is a point too. It uses mercilessly the energy of the planet that lands on it, in order to advance itself forward. Once the planet is sucked dry and stops giving their energy away, the Node drops them like a hot potato and keeps on going.

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if the planet person prematurely decides to cut off the energy supply to the Node and leaves without an advance notice, then the Node goes berserk, it needs the planet badly. Eventually, it moves on, however. North Node always keeps moving forward.

Saturn sticks to the Node like a glue, It's so hard to escape once the union is formed, as neither wants to be the looser. Off and on, off and on.

Chiron brings pain to the Node. First they het hooked under the pretense of healing, but in the end, it's all about pain that Chiron unloads on the Node.

Venus brings love to the Node. If Venus has an endless supply of love for the Node, they may stick for a life time. Most likely than not, thou, Venus will demand something back in return and thats when the Node will shrug their shoulders and keep on riding without Venus.

Neptune is totally going to confuse the Node. It's like walking thru quicksand. A relationship between the two doesn't last long. Node has a mission, Neptune does not.

Mars will demand things going his way. That's not what the Node envisions. Node doesn't need to tell Mars what to do, but it also wants to be left alone to take its own decisions. Arguments begin and the Node runs away. Usually before the Mars stabs them.

Sun feels great. Sun wants the best, so does the Node. These two are best friends.

posted October 07, 2015 11:31 PM            

Personally, H, the closest aspect I have in synastry, at 0°00 on the nose, is his VERTEX square my SUN.

Oh. I felt it.

Meeting him was ... like a practical joke. I was partially convinced that a new friend who shared a niche passion of mine (fellow Dodgson scholar) had somehow set it up. Until I realised, I'd not shared any of my work with him, and he couldn't know.

And still, there he was. Like something instantly incarnated, and sprung from my most private internal experience -- my deepest imagination.

I was gobsmacked!

And he was as well. He'd never paid any heed to the notion of 'love-at-first-sight', but following our meeting, he knew nothing else that seemed an apt description. So he uses that one.

Just my personal experience. We have a weaker (1°30) conjunction of his OSIRIS and my VERTEX, too, and my SCHRODINGER is conjunct his -- also a bit far, 2°.

posted October 07, 2015 11:39 PM            

My current best friend her VERTEX conjuncts my VENUS in the 8th exact and I adore her; yes I do shower her with love when we hang out but I benefit just as much from her presence, I feel she truly listens, truly gets me, I feel accepted, and we communicate great and truly listen to each other and respect each other; its very intimate connection and natural; I know we must have known each other in previous lifes. She admits that us meeting felt fated and we had an instant connection and feelings grew quickly. We got hired for the same job and started just her and I together. I left my job and she left a few months later too. We are so similar. LOL maybe she is my real TF hahaha JK.

So I feel there is an equal give and take between our exchanges which is so refreshing..

If points only receive then what happens when vertex conjuncts Northnode?? nobody is receiving anything in this instance then and is just a point of fatedness??

posted October 07, 2015 11:45 PM            

Vertex is an axis, so is the Node. Axis crossing an axis is powerful, maybe the most powerful. Same with an axis crossing an angle , like asc/dsc with vertex. It's one of those unfathomable feelings of bonding.
There was a great article by Dawn Bodrogi that explained very eloquently how this crossed pair interacts.

posted October 07, 2015 11:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
How cool! One of my oldest best friends (and undisputed soul sisters) has her VERTEX 0° conjunct my VENUS. Which makes it 2° from my ASC.

We've always been deeply bonded.

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posted October 08, 2015 12:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Wow. The above sounds so ... bitter. My apologies, and it may just be me, but it seems to radiate a subtle anger. As if the writer was wronged. I don't get the sense that's yours, Orange. Feels off. Are you quoting from a website?

Personally, H, the closest aspect I have in synastry, at 0°00 on the nose, is his VERTEX square my SUN.

Oh. I felt it.

Meeting him was ... like a practical joke. I was partially convinced that a new friend who shared a niche passion of mine (fellow Dodgson scholar) had somehow set it up. Until I realised, I'd not shared any of my work with him, and he couldn't know.

And still, there he was. Like something instantly incarnated, and sprung from my most private internal experience -- my deepest imagination.

I was gobsmacked!

And he was as well. He'd never paid any heed to the notion of 'love-at-first-sight', but following our meeting, he knew nothing else that seemed an apt description. So he uses that one.

Just my personal experience. We have a weaker (1°30) conjunction of his OSIRIS and my VERTEX, too, and my SCHRODINGER is conjunct his -- also a bit far, 2°.

It's technically my SCHRODINGER/MENTOR. I certainly did transform his understanding of reality. But since his tightest natal conjunction is NNODE/SCHRODINGER (0°0"), I'm gonna say 'huzzah!' for that.

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So at least for the vertex your experience is that both people feel it, its that powerful that its undeniable to both.

posted October 08, 2015 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Hypatia,

Vertex is an axis, so is the Node. Axis crossing an axis is powerful, maybe the most powerful. Same with an axis crossing an angle , like asc/dsc with vertex. It's one of those unfathomable feelings of bonding.
There was a great article by Dawn Bodrogi that explained very eloquently how this crossed pair interacts.

You adore your friend for probably other reasons, or could be that you adore the love that you inspire in her. Venus on Vertex brings such sudden rush of love - platonic or romantic - to the Vertex person, that I assume the Venus person feels flattered about it. So in a way, yes, that's how they affect each other, indirectly thou.

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posted October 08, 2015 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Its so beautiful isn't it!?
Its like finding the sister you always wanted or best friend you always wanted finally; someone you feel deeply understands on a deep level.

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Exactly! We were just talking about it yesterday; she was remarking on how we have such a telepathic bond that completely removes the need for words. She loves how she doesn't have to explain her thoughts to me; I just grok them.

posted October 08, 2015 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
WOW a vertex-Venus double whammy conjunction must be out of this world; a mutual love and admiration that never dies.

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I suppose it would be tremendous to have it DW.

The thing with Vertex is that it starts suddenly, but the effect ceases just as suddenly. If the rest of the synastry is strong, the Vertex aspect will serve its role as a hook up, to draw two people together, and when the effect ceases, then the rest of the synastry takes over.

If, however, the synastry is weak, then when the Vertex- planet magnetic effect is over, the Vertex person feels like hit in the head with a brick - as if - what exactly had happened and how on earth did i ever fall in love with this person?

posted October 08, 2015 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I suppose it would be tremendous to have it DW.

The thing with Vertex is that it starts suddenly, but the effect ceases just as suddenly. If the rest of the synastry is strong, the Vertex aspect will serve its role as a hook up, to draw two people together, and when the effect ceases, then the rest of the synastry takes over.

If, however, the synastry is weak, then when the Vertex- planet magnetic effect is over, the Vertex person feels like hit in the head with a brick - as if - what exactly had happened and how on earth did i ever fall in love with this person?

True story! I lived thru it back in time. ugh. still feel the bad taste in my mouth when the vertex effect was suddenly over. We had poor synastry but his Venus-Mars landed right on my Vertex.

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That is good to know, thanks, I could see what you mean totally..also your northnode descriptions were great and very helpful.

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Originally posted by Orange:
Hypatia,

Vertex is an axis, so is the Node. Axis crossing an axis is powerful, maybe the most powerful. Same with an axis crossing an angle , like asc/dsc with vertex. It's one of those unfathomable feelings of bonding.
There was a great article by Dawn Bodrogi that explained very eloquently how this crossed pair interacts.

You adore your friend for probably other reasons, or could be that you adore the love that you inspire in her. Venus on Vertex brings such sudden rush of love - platonic or romantic - to the Vertex person, that I assume the Venus person feels flattered about it. So in a way, yes, that's how they affect each other, indirectly thou.

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We do have vertex conjunct vertex but more widely by a little under 3d.

posted October 08, 2015 01:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I suppose it would be tremendous to have it DW.

The thing with Vertex is that it starts suddenly, but the effect ceases just as suddenly. If the rest of the synastry is strong, the Vertex aspect will serve its role as a hook up, to draw two people together, and when the effect ceases, then the rest of the synastry takes over.

If, however, the synastry is weak, then when the Vertex- planet magnetic effect is over, the Vertex person feels like hit in the head with a brick - as if - what exactly had happened and how on earth did i ever fall in love with this person?

True story! I lived thru it back in time. ugh. still feel the bad taste in my mouth when the vertex effect was suddenly over. We had poor synastry but his Venus-Mars landed right on my Vertex.

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I really hear you on this one. It can seem cruel and confusing but it was likely somehow a necessary step on your path.. if you're into that kinda thing. In my recently totally over and annoying/confusing/financially devastating (but ultimately plunking me on the right path, fingers crossed!) relationship, it was progressed composite Juno/Vertex which kicked it into gear. We also have composite Mars-Vertex conjunct, and Mars is 0°00 trine the comp moon. Anyway...

posted October 08, 2015 01:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I remember when I saw my ex partner / 'false twin' / karmic soulmate -- whatever your flavour -- has his ASC 0º conjunct my VERTEX.

I'm pretty sure I cried.

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posted October 08, 2015 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

I really hear you on this one. It can seem cruel and confusing but it was likely somehow a necessary step on your path.. if you're into that kinda thing. In my recently totally over and annoying/confusing/financially devastating relationship, it was progressed composite Juno/Vertex which kicked it into gear. We also have composite Mars-Vertex conjunct

I had a reading with the Dawn you mention, at the beginning of the relationship, and she seemed vehemently against it until near the end of the reading she noticed the p.comp.Juno-Vertex conjunction and kinda said "oh well, I guess you have to do this!"

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I see..
Is the relationship over by now? Why?

posted October 08, 2015 01:23 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
We do have vertex conjunct vertex but more widely by a little under 3d.

Uhh, My ex has his vertex on his IC which trines my Vertex both at 20d and conjuncts by 1 degree my Southnode so we have vertex meets nodes and the angles.

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You and your ex have all three axises in conjunction! The Nodal, the angle and the Vertex axis. It's so powerful, that one. And rare.

I bet none of you can't ever shake off the memories even after years.

posted October 08, 2015 01:31 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Is there not the line of thought which says the vertex is partly about how we are perceived by the world? The fated events we attract to us by virtue of calling for them, energetically, from the vertex point, perhaps? Or it may be more mysterious--a point which ensures that soul contracts are fulfilled by arranging for needed events to transpire no matter surrounding circumstances or ideas of the native... I think the vertex is a point which is very much felt by others, very much seen, as transits to it mark unmistakable turning points, and this is perceived by others and thus affects them..

I think the whole question of who feels what, in synastry aspect work, is a valid one in terms of who is activating the energy and what they are bringing to the table in an interaction, but in some ways too simplistic and fragmented, forgetting that there's a dynamic, alchemical blending of energies when any planet, point, axis, angle or asteroid makes contact (or fails to do so!) with any other... the aspects don't occur in a vacuum. If my moon is conjunct your Pluto, my mercury can make a judgment about that and observe how my moon is acting on your Pluto and being acted upon (for instance). There's great complexity in our interactions and to presume that the planet person doesn't notice or 'feel' the way they are activating the other person in such a strong fated way seems to discredit their powers of observation to a great extent... also if the vertex is a point which speaks of fatedness in the sense that we've arranged for a certain thing to happen before incarnating (an idea I can get down with), I think it's possible to jump to the next lily pad and say that on some level the planet person feels irresistibly compelled to relate, possibly for their own learning as well as to contribute along the journey of the Vertex soul...

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You echoed my thoughts here...and more eloquently than I could. Absolutely agree with you YG

posted October 08, 2015 01:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I see..
Is the relationship over by now? Why?

What did Dawn see in the beginning in your charts that made her advice you against the relationship?

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Yknow, some of it was inaccurate, she was questioning his character and saying he may be a 'runner' based on his Sag south node I think, and his Jupiter/Uranus conjunction. Not sure. He is not a runner... but we aren't compatible, certainly... I wish it had worked for me to receive the recording because I'm very curious to listen now. Honestly my memory for details eludes me...

posted October 08, 2015 02:17 AM            

I wouldn't say the planet person feels absolutely nothing though. The planet person is usually able to sense a certain 'vulnerability' in the Axis person.

Touching someone's NN makes you want to help that person develop in some way. Sometimes the planet person my view the NN person as a clumsy baby who is likable but needs guidance. Just by being their natural self the planet person is able to teach the NN person new things. The NN person knows that deep down they need more of what the planet person has, and find themselves very drawn to the planet person for this reason. However, in negative relationships the NN person may resent the planet person's supposed 'superiority' in certain areas, while planet person may tend to roll their eyes at the NN person's underdeveloped tendencies in these same areas.

Touching someone's Vertex Axis allows you to tune on the other person's fated theme in life, or the energy of their path so to speak. Like the planet person can just feel what kind of topics are going to be meaningful or significant to the Vertex Axis person. It's an irrational thing like when a certain song reminds you of particular people and events in life. The planet person can feel the 'song' of the Vertex Axis person. If the Vertex Axis person's life were a song, the planet person can hear the melody, vibe, rhythm, of this song. This can entice the planet person or creep them out. In other words, just because the planet person can her the Vertex Axis person's 'song' (theme in life) doesn't mean they'll like it or hate it. Whether or not they like it depends on the rest of the synastry. If the overall synastry is bad, the planet person has an intuitive sense that the Vertex Axis person is headed down a path that planet person would not want to be a part of. This makes the planet person run so they don't inadvertently get sucked into the whirlpool of energy they sense around the Vertex Axis person. If the overall synastry is good, the planet person may be attracted to the notion of being a part of the Vertex Axis person's 'fate' somehow. In these cases the planet person is drawn to help the Vertex Axis person. Like they feel an urge to reveal things or provide information to the Vertex Axis person. Sometimes this seems to happen automatically on an unconscious level, and it's only in retrospect that it becomes clear what's happening. Basically the planet person is highly sensitive to the Vertex Axis person's vibe but weather or not they like it depends on other factors.

posted October 08, 2015 02:36 AM            

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Originally posted by FmVenusWLove:
You echoed my thoughts here...and more eloquently than I could. Absolutely agree with you YG

Personally, I know that I am likely in the minority here, but I tend to be skeptical of isolating aspects and labeling them as responsible for producing a specific feeling or reaction (or even a specific "destiny"). There is a far more complicated exchange of energy occurring between two people and therefore I think these kinds of generalizations can possibly lead to misattribution in some cases - therefore I tend to not favor such a formulaic approach. Additionally, we all know that each person's experience will be different based on how (for example) the Vx and NN are aspected/activated natally as well as the general state of awareness of the individual (which is often overlooked). I think it's important to study the native's chart first - then one will be able to make an educated guess as to how a partner activating these points will affect the other's energy. Taking it one step further, it will be more apparent how these aspects might be observed in the relationship.

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