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Lucia23
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posted August 17, 2016 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
I agree that the Saturn/moon conjunction is very binding. Either in a composite or natal. in the natal the person will always elicit long term relationships. and in the composite devotion is always present. and I also agree that sometimes the Saturn/moon conjunction can be a problem as one will stick with bad relationship just a strongly with good relationships

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I have the Moon-Saturn conjunction natally (in my 7th house in Cancer) and this is very true of me.

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posted August 18, 2016 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
What do you folks think about Venus trine or sextile Saturn?

I think it depends so much on Saturn in the natals. Was it this thread where someone--Todd I think--was saying that people with Moon-Saturn conjunct natally attract only long-term relationships, but also will stay in bad relationships for the long haul? I have it conjunct my DC in 7h Cancer and I also have Cancer Venus--I have LOTS of (hard and soft) Saturn DWs in all my good relationships, bad relationships, in-between and mixed relationships, platonic friendships. If Saturn energy doesn't come up, I guess it doesn't feel like anything important is happening for me? It's also my chart ruler.

That said, I experience hard aspects and soft aspects really the same way--Saturn makes the relationship feel important, binding, and serious in a good way--and they also have a sapping, bummer effect on the non-Saturn planet being aspected.

@yungang specifically since you are an amazing astrologer, I should probably start a separate thread though---I have a feeling so-called MINOR aspects to Saturn might actually be underrated as special relationship-sapping bummers. Like when my Saturn is 13 Cancer and the other person's Moon is 13 Leo or 13 Sag or something. Random examples, I'd have to look, but....

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posted March 01, 2017 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about Moon conjunct Saturn in synastry? Is it also binding like with the composite?

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posted March 01, 2017 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know if it's for a lifetime (hopefully not), but I would say North Node-Vertex. I cannot get rid of this guy, he just keeps coming back LOL. Perhaps also Sun-Chiron DW conjunction. Those are 2 people that have not followed the usual whirlwind romance then complete disappearance.

Also, I don't know, maybe the Sun conjunct South Node and Vesta guy will come back too...who knows

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posted March 01, 2017 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lifetime binding is hard to come by in this age of Viagra and youth obsession.

However there are some very long-term binding aspects and they tend to involve saturn and some of them are not good at all.

Simplified: oppositions and squares to saturn are very binding, but unhappy relationships. Conjunctions to saturn are similar. Only sextiles and trines are positive.

Saturn square mars is very binding and often found in abusive relationships. Saturn wants to control mars and mars is a very independant planet which means it does not take lightly to being controlled. Almost always mars gets up and leaves saturn...or tries to. But Saturn (usually the abuser in the relationship) thinks it has a right to try to MAKE mars stay with him anyway and he can use some pretty nasty tactics to make that happen. From what I've seen mars usually gets the upper hand in the end, by leaving Saturn alone in the mud while mars finally gains their independance again. When Saturn is sextile mars, the Saturn person supports mars in their ambitions rather than trying to control them. Both are binding, but you have to ask yourself what you really want to be bound to. Not everyone's love is worth having. Especially with Saturn, that person's version of love can involve controlling behavior.

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posted March 01, 2017 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn conjunctions are always unhappy relationships? I've read about Moon conjunct Saturn in synastry and I don't think it's always bad. From what I've read with this aspect Saturn usually cares a lot about the moon person. Yes sometimes Saturn can be critical but I wouldn't say it's like the square and opposition.
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Originally posted by manderin:
Lifetime binding is hard to come by in this age of Viagra and youth obsession.

However there are some very long-term binding aspects and they tend to involve saturn and some of them are not good at all.

Simplified: oppositions and squares to saturn are very binding, but unhappy relationships. Conjunctions to saturn are similar. Only sextiles and trines are positive.

Saturn square mars is very binding and often found in abusive relationships. Saturn wants to control mars and mars is a very independant planet which means it does not take lightly to being controlled. Almost always mars gets up and leaves saturn...or tries to. But Saturn (usually the abuser in the relationship) thinks it has a right to try to MAKE mars stay with him anyway and he can use some pretty nasty tactics to make that happen. From what I've seen mars usually gets the upper hand in the end, by leaving Saturn alone in the mud while mars finally gains their independance again. When Saturn is sextile mars, the Saturn person supports mars in their ambitions rather than trying to control them. Both are binding, but you have to ask yourself what you really want to be bound to. Not everyone's love is worth having. Especially with Saturn, that person's version of love can involve controlling behavior.


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posted March 03, 2017 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:
Venus Saturn from my experience.
Neptune also, that delusional d-bag

LOL, I've had this one. Blahhhh. Seems like a smoke screen at times but I still care for him in that I want him happy in life etc. He could be elusive , make plans and then skip on them. Not too much but it would happen from time to time. I adored him though and still think he is adorable.

I watched a video on that my Saturn likes to build the stage whereas his venus would be like nope I just want to know when I need to go on stage. ( not going to be apart of building anything, just apart of the show or star of the show) My saturn would be like yes, I love building but I don't really care to be the star , just wanna do the work and build the stage because that is what I am good at and Venus would be wandering when break time was , how long they had to be there etc. I would be one to take a project and complete it no matter how long it took me without wanting to be in the limelight. Supposedly as I get older I will want to be apart of that limelight and something about advising others, which I honestly do now. I'm not always sure if it welcomed but if I can see what someone's goal is ( sigh) I will set myself aside , feelings and all to give advice on how to go about it.

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posted March 03, 2017 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably why my ceres is in Aries, I don't mind taking action to make things happen and don't mind teaching someone how to fish. Would be nice to just go fishing sometimes and enjoy the trip but I guess it is not in my nature to be that way because I want to see others happy in life, to suceed even if it doesn't get me anywhere. I already feel blessed so in someways feels good in that sense.

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posted March 03, 2017 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does Moon conjunct Saturn in synastry have the same effect as in the composite chart?

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posted March 07, 2018 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 8ofHearts     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My next door neighbor where I moved nearly a year ago has his Saturn conj my Moon (and opposite my Mars.) We clicked right away and have a combination of both hard Uranus and Saturn aspects. His Sun is also conj my Merc/Uranus conjunction and Sun/Moon MP. He's 18+ years older and I found out later that his wife passed away 3 years ago. His house and garden lanai are magical and filled with art from his travels and things his artist wife made. I have a sculpture of a mermaid and when I entered his house, he had a Merman in the front and I chuckled! He adores me and does little things like brings me succulents from his garden (takes my trash in & out if I forget/or oversleep.) The whole neighborhood is very curious & bemused by our friendship b/c he has lived there 30+ years and I am the stranger that no one really knows. Recently I was sick with that horrible flu and didn't come out for almost a week. I knew he was there watching out for me - I could feel it & figured he would come find me when I finally emerged. When I did - he kept saying - "oh man, you sounded awful, I was getting worried. I was about to offer to take you to the hospital!!" Awww...
He talks to me through the fence to check on me & always tells me to let him know if I need anything. (I've had a lot of rough things happen to me ever since I moved in.) One time I kidnapped him & we rode around town for the day. We had a blast! At one point I stopped to get gas, he put some air in my tires, noticed my shoe was untied and leaned down to tie it for me. It was literally the cutest thing anyone has done for me in ages! Maybe b/c there is an age difference already, the Saturn doesn't seem too heavy or to bother me. I feel there is good intuitive understanding. Our North Nodes are conjunct(4' orb) in Capricorn with my Saturn conj his South node. His Vesta is conj my South node.
Weirdly, the guy I actually WAS seeing on & off up to that point had the exact opposite configuration. His Saturn conj My Mars and OPPOSITE my Moon and HIS Uranus was conj MY Sun with my Sun on HIS Sun/Moon midpoint. They are both male Libra Suns!! Seems to be a theme?? Even though my guy is a commitmentphobe & our relationship didn't work out how I had hoped, he still calls & texts to check on me over the last 2 years and I think he does care/feel responsible but for whatever reason we can't be in a relationship. I'm finally moving on but I still love that weirdo and probably always will! LOL. ;}
Another guy who came into my life over the past year is...my dogwalker. He appeared through a fluke after I had a neck injury and really needed help with my 2 big beasts. He's been a lifesaver! Carrying on with the theme, his Uranus/Saturn conjunction in Capricorn is RIGHT on my North NODE! He is always super diligent re: helping me - his Pluto is conj my Moon & opp my Mars. His Sun is Aries exactly opposite mine close to my DESC. He is 15 years younger than me. And though, he works for me, I think we both have come to like the routine. His Moon and Mars are identical to my neighbor's placements and his North Node is almost exact as my ex in Pisces (close to my Vertex & DESC. Spooky how that math just keeps showing up in different configuations!

My first best friend from childhood (I was 2, she was 4, we lived across the street) had her Sun exactly conj my South node/Saturn. We're no longer in touch as much but it was a long friendship and we'll always be tied/remember each other & we traded Christmas cards every year.
My longest childhood friend has her Moon conj my MC/South Node/Saturn. Her Sun is also conj my ASC & opp my Vertex, our nodes are conjunct, Mars conjunct, my moon conj her Venus. (same as her husband.) We were born 10 days apart - so our charts are very similar. We've known each other since age 5, her family is like family to me, we've traveled all around the world together & I was in her wedding. We'll definitely be friends for the rest of our lives. ;}

So yes, I do think if the rest of the chart supports it, Moon conj Saturn = devotion

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posted March 08, 2018 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From personal experience I agree with Moon-Saturn in composite. I had this in a former relationship and while I wouldn't necessarily say I'm still "devoted" to him there's a small part of me that will never forget him or our time together. I'm sure there are other things that made this relationship "unforgettable" but I'm sure this aspects helps.

Another one I've seen moreso in synastry (but composite too sometimes) is Venus-Pluto conjunction. A LOT of long-term couples I know who have this aspect either got together very young (in high school) or had some story where they felt they were "soulmates" and life brought them together either by accident or after a period of separation. I see it as binding because of the intensity of the feeling it brings. Not necessarily in the same way as Saturn which is more of the "duty, responsibility, etc." side of things but in the raw emotion it stirs in people. Of course it can also go the opposite way and drive people apart but when other supportive aspects are present I think it adds a deep bond.

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posted March 08, 2018 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about Moon and Saturn in synastry?

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posted March 08, 2018 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 08, 2018 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kirki     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if someones saturn squares the other s moon but second one has ruler of 5th in capricorn?shouldnt we take that under consideration?

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posted March 15, 2018 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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