posted November 04, 2015 06:45 PM            

MOON/SATURN is a double-edged sword, of course. You may be stuck together -- but not exactly happy about it.

posted November 05, 2015 12:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
MOON conjunct SATURN is a very, very tough aspect to escape. I've also found that strong VERTEX to angles can have a 'binding' effect.

MOON/SATURN is a double-edged sword, of course. You may be stuck together -- but not exactly happy about it.

Binding doesn't always equal happiness.

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posted November 05, 2015 12:38 AM            

i guess they compliment one another and stick for different reasons.

posted November 05, 2015 01:26 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
do they both tend to want to stick at it? or is it more one-sided?

i guess they compliment one another and stick for different reasons.

Also I'd think that saturn conjunctions to the nodes are sticky.

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posted November 05, 2015 04:01 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
yep Auby. what do you think?

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As the MOON, I'd never felt so jerked around than by his SATURN. At times it felt as if I was The Woman, but then in no time flat, he was almost adamantly flipped to the other side, behaving as if I wasn't THAT important. Like it'd kill him for me to actually feel that I mattered to him. Once, early in the year actually, my husband pointed out the way he'll basically goad me into a position of vulnerability, almost so he can slice into me with his cold words and feigned detachment. He'd do it constantly, but it was the first time my husband was right there and witnessed it. He called him out on it, too. I'd finally, after years, just quit taking his calls. So when he'd said something that indicated how hurt he was by it, naturally, I responded by essentially apologising and saying I was going to try again. That I needed some time. But he basically turned to me and said that he wasn't thinking of me at all -- but we both know he was. That's when my husband pointed out how much of an emotionally sadistic bait-and-switch game he was playing.

In my opinion, SATURN is riddled with insecurities. He's either going to be strong, mature, and help the MOON to grow, feeling like a backbone and steady rock, or he's going to be testing the MOON to the point of cruel backlash, constantly 'daring' them to leave, because a person can only take so much abuse before they're wiped out and despondent.

It always hurt so deeply, too. I was reading his ACTIONS. But he was so clear with his words, and they were so diametrically opposed. It felt like a relationship demonstrated by the old 10cc song, 'I'm Not In Love'. He used to say he'd only call me in order to drain his phone battery completely so that he could charge it. That's the reason why we'd talk for 3 hours at a time, and he'd call me everyday during his commute. It was never because, y'know, he WANTED to. No, no.

Or if I was coming through town, he 'was cool with seeing me. I'm not that annoying.'

Yeah. Great memories, those.

To this day, I don't know if he was or wasn't as in love with me as it actually seemed he was. Too damned cagey. There's evidence for it, and plenty have said it -- he did too many things that would be aligned with feeling VERY deeply -- but the way he just cut me to the core like that -- and, it seemed, for loving him -- I can never really let myself ever get THAT close again.

You might say I learnt my lesson.

Altogether:

His SATURN conjunct my MOON (2°) with his SNODE (2°) and KARMA (0°). Scorpio. My 3H, his 10H, 0° his MC. It was also square his MARS. I've no idea how much that changed things, or not.

posted November 05, 2015 06:09 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Wow Auby that sounds truly horrible. So sorry you went through that. He sounds utterly ****** up! 😳 There must have been something cray going on in his natal. I don't believe I could ever be like that - and I'm Saturn in the conjunction. Maybe if it's the female Saturn, there would most probably be more maturity and growth there. I often feel like I'm his rock. I could never allow myself to become so hurtful like what you experienced.
Is he completely out of the picture now? Wondering how this binding aspect is working for you two. Are you friends?

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It's that one. So the answer to that is, 'uhhhhh, well, we're never out of each other's lives, no matter how bad our personal frenemy Cold War gets, sooooo .... ' It's more gauged by whether or not I'm answering his calls.

What's most twisted is how he'd guilt me into taking his calls after ALL that, only to immediately stop calling. And he'd've been calling EVERY DAY. And when I stopped taking his calls, letting it go to voicemail, he made my voicemail into his personal audio diary. It's as if he had a DEEP need to communicate with me, and to have me in his life, but he couldn't truly hack it. Something.

posted November 05, 2015 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Venus Saturn from my experience.
Neptune also, that delusional d-bag

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Venus-Saturn in conjunction only. Squares and oppositions are always indicators of karma that must be cleaned.

Now, there is something tricky with Saturn. Regarding karma and binds with Saturn there is no one sided effect. Its ALWAYS mutual, no matter if there is one or two aspects the same.

posted November 05, 2015 12:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Venus-Saturn in conjunction only. Squares and oppositions are always indicators of karma that must be cleaned.

Now, there is something tricky with Saturn. Regarding karma and binds with Saturn there is no one sided effect. Its ALWAYS mutual, no matter if there is one or two aspects the same.

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posted November 05, 2015 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
So you are saying that Venus square Saturn wouldn't be considered lifetime binding?

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IT depends on the rest of the SYNASTRY childofvenus. One aspect of saturn square venus and if you guys got GREAT SYNASTRY but the only bad aspext YOUVE got is venus square saturn then it it should be lifetime binding.

Saturn or venus in relationship houses or rulerships governed by relationship houses will make it very challenging to have a venus square saturn in synastry UNLESS the rest of the synastry is promising and sweet and full of deep love and it also depends on the MATURITY AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE COUPLE.

That is just my opinion and I know you didn't ask me but I just want to give you input because im goi g through saturn square venus placement in synastry myself and it sucks but THAS because the rest of our synastry sucks.

posted November 05, 2015 01:34 PM            

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originally posted by Aubyanne:

His SATURN conjunct my MOON (2°) with his SNODE (2°) and KARMA (0°). Scorpio. My 3H, his 10H, 0° his MC. It was also square his MARS. I've no idea how much that changed things, or not.

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Probably a good deal! Saturn conjunct Moon can take on sooo many sub-tones; with the South Node there also and a Mars square it sounds like one of the more nightmare-ish versions...

posted November 05, 2015 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
IT depends on the rest of the SYNASTRY childofvenus. One aspect of saturn square venus and if you guys got GREAT SYNASTRY but the only bad aspext YOUVE got is venus square saturn then it it should be lifetime binding.

Saturn or venus in relationship houses or rulerships governed by relationship houses will make it very challenging to have a venus square saturn in synastry UNLESS the rest of the synastry is promising and sweet and full of deep love and it also depends on the MATURITY AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE COUPLE.

That is just my opinion and I know you didn't ask me but I just want to give you input because im goi g through saturn square venus placement in synastry myself and it sucks but THAS because the rest of our synastry sucks.

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posted November 05, 2015 02:26 PM            

These are other aspects we have in synastry.

His Mercury sextile my Saturn orb 2° 51'
His Mercury sextile my Uranus orb 2° 54'
His Venus square my Saturn orb 3° 9'
His Mars trine my Mars orb 4° 19'
His Jupiter sextile my Neptune orb 2° 45'
His Uranus opposition my Sun orb 4° 46'
His Neptune opposition my Mars orb 3° 33'
His Neptune trine my Jupiter orb 4° 49'
His Pluto trine my Mars orb 4° 19'
His Mercury sextile my Ascendant orb 3° 19'
His Ascendant square my Venus orb 3° 28'
His Ascendant conjunct my Saturn orb 4° 39'
His Saturn square my Mercury orb 2° 33
His pluto opposite my Venus

We have Venus trine Neptune double whammy and Venus opposition Sun in synastry. In composite we have have Mars sextile Saturn. Venus trine Pluto, Venus opposition Neptune. Venus quintile Saturn, Venus quintile Neptune in our Davison. We have a Moon Saturn conjunction because both are in the same sign.

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Originally posted by angel4845:
IT depends on the rest of the SYNASTRY childofvenus. One aspect of saturn square venus and if you guys got GREAT SYNASTRY but the only bad aspext YOUVE got is venus square saturn then it it should be lifetime binding.

Saturn or venus in relationship houses or rulerships governed by relationship houses will make it very challenging to have a venus square saturn in synastry UNLESS the rest of the synastry is promising and sweet and full of deep love and it also depends on the MATURITY AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE COUPLE.

That is just my opinion and I know you didn't ask me but I just want to give you input because im goi g through saturn square venus placement in synastry myself and it sucks but THAS because the rest of our synastry sucks.

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posted November 05, 2015 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
... in conjunction only. Squares and oppositions are always indicators of karma that must be cleaned.

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posted November 05, 2015 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Venus-Saturn in conjunction only. Squares and oppositions are always indicators of karma that must be cleaned.

Now, there is something tricky with Saturn. Regarding karma and binds with Saturn there is no one sided effect. Its ALWAYS mutual, no matter if there is one or two aspects the same.

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posted November 05, 2015 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

It's that one. So the answer to that is, 'uhhhhh, well, we're never out of each other's lives, no matter how bad our personal frenemy Cold War gets, sooooo .... ' It's more gauged by whether or not I'm answering his calls.

What's most twisted is how he'd guilt me into taking his calls after ALL that, only to immediately stop calling. And he'd've been calling EVERY DAY. And when I stopped taking his calls, letting it go to voicemail, he made my voicemail into his personal audio diary. It's as if he had a DEEP need to communicate with me, and to have me in his life, but he couldn't truly hack it. Something.

I swear, I just couldn't win. No matter how I tried.

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Was this always platonic?
Why is he still in your life if he's so manipulative? 😧
Mars sq Mars yikes...not a fan of that one.

It's funny because with us we have the south node, other moon, Mars and Saturn interplay too! Only its in his 4th.