posted December 07, 2015 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Spongebob:

The person with the aspected moon, has their sun moon midpoint right on the other persons IC

In other words their midpoint hits an angle of the other persons chart. That may be enough to trump the lack of moon aspects possibly.

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posted December 07, 2015 10:11 PM            

ChildofVenus, I've aligned your chart to the Moon position and Asc indicated in the lousy astro.com synastry chart even though I don't know your b.t. or location. Its planet positions that matter.

YOU /HIM
sun qnx sun -
sun p plu +
sun cp mer -
moo cp sat -
moo p n.node +
moo sex n.node +
mer sq sat -
ven opp sun +
ven cp ven -
ven p mar +
mar p s.node -
mar sq jup -
sat sq ven -
sat cp sat -
ura sq sun -
ura sex ura +
ura cp sat -
ura p n.node -
nep cp sat -
nep sq mar, plu -/-
nep sex jup +
plu cp mar -
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Totals:
positive: 7
negative: 16

Even though we do not have his birth time/location, Asc, Moon position, it is a very safe bet that there is little potential for a fulfilling romantic relationship here -- if that is what you are looking for.

The Mercury/Saturn aspects show challenges in communicating not conducive to an intimate relationship when added to the Moon/Saturn, Venus/Saturn, Saturn/Neptune, Mars/Pluto aspects.

I'm advising you to have perspective here. I am not advising you to cut off communication. Enjoy the relationship for what it actually is, not for what you'd prefer it to be later.

Even if best case scenario adds 8 positive aspects and 0 negative ones (very unlikely) by adding in his birth time/location, it will only bring the total count of synastry aspects to 16 positive, 16 negative. Without Sun/Asc/Moon bonds galore, an intimate partnership has no chance of being a fulfilling one.

The attraction is Sun-Pluto, Venus-Mars here. With maybe some Lunar stuff from his end added. Not enough to build expectations or hopes upon.

posted December 07, 2015 10:29 PM            

I already said I didn't want a romantic relationship with him. As I already knew based on what other people had said that it wasn't possible. I don't even think it's possible for us to actually have a friendship. At this point I'm thinking about just not talking to him anymore period. Why bother when I already know the outcome? This is why I asked if charts literally make or break a relationship. Now that I know what to expect I don't see any reason to continue on with this. I'm glad I finally know so this will save me a lot of pain and confusion. I can just not bother with him anymore. Also I shouldn't bother with the composite chart either since we aren't in a relationship?

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
OK, so I had to do the usual troublesome reverse engineering to find the birthdates for both of you.

ChildofVenus, I've aligned your chart to the Moon position and Asc indicated in the lousy astro.com synastry chart even though I don't know your b.t. or location. Its planet positions that matter.

[b]YOU /HIM
sun qnx sun -
sun p plu +
sun cp mer -
moo cp sat -
moo p n.node +
moo sex n.node +
mer sq sat -
ven opp sun +
ven cp ven -
ven p mar +
mar p s.node -
mar sq jup -
sat sq ven -
sat cp sat -
ura sq sun -
ura sex ura +
ura cp sat -
ura p n.node -
nep cp sat -
nep sq mar, plu -/-
nep sex jup +
plu cp mar -
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Totals:
positive: 7
negative: 16

Even though we do not have his birth time/location, Asc, Moon position, it is a very safe bet that there is little potential for a fulfilling romantic relationship here -- if that is what you are looking for.

The Mercury/Saturn aspects show challenges in communicating not conducive to an intimate relationship when added to the Moon/Saturn, Venus/Saturn, Saturn/Neptune, Mars/Pluto aspects.

I'm advising you to have perspective here. I am not advising you to cut off communication. Enjoy the relationship for what it actually is, not for what you'd prefer it to be later.

Even if best case scenario adds 8 positive aspects and 0 negative ones (very unlikely) by adding in his birth time/location, it will only bring the total count of synastry aspects to 16 positive, 16 negative. Without Sun/Asc/Moon bonds galore, an intimate partnership has no chance of being a fulfilling one.

The attraction is Sun-Pluto, Venus-Mars here. With maybe some Lunar stuff from his end added. Not enough to build expectations or hopes upon.

[/B]

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posted December 07, 2015 10:34 PM            

But I sense that you on some level already knew this relationship wasn't what you'd like it to be. That is why you came asking. The only reason to cut off communication is if you've decided your expectations cannot be realized. That's fine.

You're 28. You're young. You've got plenty of time to have fulfilling relationships.

posted December 07, 2015 10:34 PM              

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
But without his birth time there is no way to know if his moon is aspected or not.

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posted December 07, 2015 10:38 PM            

I was only looking for a friendship with this person. I wanted us to become close friends because I felt he was someone who could help me in certain ways. It's unfortunate but that's how life is sometimes.

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The times of birth always matter -- for the chartholder. In this case with a near 3:1 ration of negative to positive, his birth time is not needed to see it. Don't extrapolate to others' chart situations.

But I sense that you on some level already knew this relationship wasn't what you'd like it to be. That is why you came asking. The only reason to cut off communication is if you've decided your expectations cannot be realized. That's fine.

You're 28. You're young. You've got plenty of time to have fulfilling relationships.

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posted December 07, 2015 10:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Spongebob:
Then its all a moot point LOL

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posted December 07, 2015 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I'm sure you read where the other person stated that having the birth time won't matter.

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posted December 07, 2015 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
He literally never once said that.

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posted December 07, 2015 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
The thought of losing him is scary--this is clear to me from the composite.. And from what you're saying here. I know the feeling, trust me. It's a great lesson in life, to learn how to navigate Plutonian stuff... feeling like it's a matter of life and death.. feeling therefore the enormous need for control, for mastery of the situation, for utter possession of the person... to go to the utter depths of our beings to ascertain what it is we can hold onto; what we can salvage, what there is to be got from the encounter..... It's the desire for **something** to last forever.. Pluto promises this you see, but not without the release of control, which leads to the rebirth and the new beginning... it is kind of a catch 22, the whole fear of loss thing. Once you're fearing loss you are already about as far from Source as you can be. And once you let go it all comes rushing back. But we can be forgiven for desiring control when it feels so earth-shakingly important--a matter of life and death. Believe me, I understand. There are no easy answers and I can not offer a lot of comfort except to say that in this world, in this time, in this breath, in this body, we are all connected, every moment, every day. And there are entities with whom we are meant to be; at least for a time, there are people who can put us in touch with eternity and ephemerality in such bitter sweet ways. Each encounter helps us increase in compassion and understanding so that we can see more and more clearly that we ARE love... that there is nothing to cling to or strive for, once you're in heaven; to trust. .. but we need first to learn how to care for others, loving kindness and compassion are so key... we are all learning.. . Your present incarnation and his specific being may not be the most comforting but there are very poignant lessons there... in this time and place there may not be space for the sense of eternal positive love to be embraced and to flourish, but if you can accept everything exactly as it is and simply follow your feelings... it's a real tall order... but if you can just accept and release to the universe with the intention of letting in love, then you're doing good, kinda thing, you know?

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posted December 07, 2015 11:07 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ok cool. We all got kinda concerned because you started several threads about it. Just trying to help. That gratitude thing again. I believe you. I wrote that before reading your other thing. Have a good night there ChildofVenus.

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posted December 07, 2015 11:11 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
There's no 'should' or 'shouldn't' in terms of feelings. They are what they are. You can listen to their deeper meaning or you can steamroll them. My two cents. Blessings moving on from this particular person. Glad the astrology could help you clarify that it's not a good match for you or whatever you wanted to know.

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posted December 08, 2015 12:38 AM              

The Sun isn't aspecting any outer planets besides a wide square to Pluto. It means the Man isn't invested in this connection. The Moon is also square Pluto (possibly) which can represent obsession from the woman's end.

Another thing is Amor is square Saturn. True love isn't possible in this connection it will end badly. This is reinforced with Valentine conjunct Moon square Pluto. The woman loves the man but it isn't requited.

posted December 08, 2015 01:17 AM            

But there is also moon/saturn conjunction and mars/saturn sextile in the composite too. I'm not sure if that means anything.

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I use composites more than synastry. The composite is very telling of the overall connection and its potential even without birth time a lot can be seen.The first thing is Venus trine Pluto which means there is a strong attraction going on which may seem like a fairy tale at times. Yet there is a T Square with Neptune/Venus/Jupiter which means someone isn't being completely honest in this association and all the truth isn't being revealed. Someone is being lead on.

The Sun isn't aspecting any outer planets besides a wide square to Pluto. It means the Man isn't invested in this connection. The Moon is also square Pluto (possibly) which can represent obsession from the woman's end.

Another thing is Amor is square Saturn. True love isn't possible in this connection it will end badly. This is reinforced with Valentine conjunct Moon square Pluto. The woman loves the man but it isn't requited.

So I'm afraid the only glue here is the Venus trine Pluto which is making you feel intense love but this aspect isn't supported by anything else.

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posted December 08, 2015 07:22 AM              

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I don't get why he would waste his time doing all this if he doesn't like me. Or if there is no connection I don't know.

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posted December 08, 2015 07:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Ask him.

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Yes.
Rather than asking a forum for all of these answers you could just ask the source.
You may fear getting answers that you don't want but they'd be answers and you could work on moving on to other things.
Best case, you find out it's exactly what you want from him.
But sitting here drilling us for days, denying what many of us tell you is just spinning your wheels while you sit idle.

posted December 08, 2015 08:40 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Yes.
Rather than asking a forum for all of these answers you could just ask the source.
You may fear getting answers that you don't want but they'd be answers and you could work on moving on to other things.
Best case, you find out it's exactly what you want from him.
But sitting here drilling us for days, denying what many of us tell you is just spinning your wheels while you sit idle.

Ask him.

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posted December 08, 2015 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Word > charts

So look in the chart for something that supports his words.
Maybe the charts give every indication that he likes you BUT refuses to have anything long distance. For example.

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