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ChildofVenus
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posted December 05, 2015 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lately I have been making threads about several charts and aspects I have with a guy I talk to. A lot of people have gave feedback on the charts I've posted. Now I am feeling as if maybe I should end all communication with this person. I do take synastry,composite and davison charts seriously. There are issues between us and I'm sure it's because of our charts. However does astrology really make or break a relationship between two people? For example if two people have bad charts does that mean there is no hope of there ever being a good outcome? Is it best to avoid people who you have bad charts with? I just want to know what all of these actually means.

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posted December 05, 2015 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No to all.

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posted December 05, 2015 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no way!!!

Here on LL there have been examples of charts of long term happily married couples who have not so great synastry/composite.

Anyone care to post? I think maybe Leeloo or Ceri have posted some if I'm not mistaken?!

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posted December 05, 2015 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes but one of them has to be good.
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Originally posted by EmGem:
no way!!!

Here on LL there have been examples of charts of long term happily married couples who have not so great synastry/composite.

Anyone care to post? I think maybe Leeloo or Ceri have posted some if I'm not mistaken?!


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posted December 06, 2015 02:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, charts of happy couples are always well connected. "Bad" charts are disconnected charts. But the charts don't make the relationship, they only reflect a reality, they don't create it. They are the mirror of the story between the two of you. And they are also a place of potential, not of verdicts. For example, good charts don't create relationships. Charts don't generate couples.

Personally, I couldn't read your charts because you display too many aspects.

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posted December 06, 2015 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did remove some of the aspects but I know without his birth time some things won't be known. I used 12:00pm for his birth time because I don't know the real time.

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Actually, charts of happy couples are always well connected. "Bad" charts are disconnected charts. But the charts don't make the relationship, they only reflect a reality, they don't create it. They are the mirror of the story between the two of you. And they are also a place of potential, not of verdicts. For example, good charts don't create relationships. Charts don't generate couples.

Personally, I couldn't read your charts because you display too many aspects.


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posted December 06, 2015 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thegrinning_cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How would you define "disconnected"?

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posted December 07, 2015 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No. Never. That's not being pragmatic. It's being fatalistic. Astrology should guide, not dominate.

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Originally posted by thegrinning_cat:
How would you define "disconnected"?

We all have a love profile in our chart, and special romantic/marital needs. A disconnected partner is antagonistic to this profile, or worse, they leave it inactive (unaspected charts). Keep in mind both profiles need to be covered, not just one. That's why good synastry is like a fateful act of relational magic.

Another form of disconnection is the nature of the synastry, it not being a romantic synastry, for one or both partners, but a different kind of relationship (but this is a variation of the first, if we think about it).

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Honestly, I've been watching Todd's posts for a while (yes I know that probably sounds stalkerish, but I lurked before I joined), and I actually think he's a great astrologer. Nobody is perfect and everybody is going to get SOME things wrong, but he generally gets closer to the mark than most astrologers, or astrology-enthusiasts.

To be totally blunt, I'd trust his take on something before some other astrologers, who, provided you pay them first (or they think they might be able to convince you to buy a reading), will tell you anything to want to hear, whether it's true or not.

It's true that whatever you feel should take precedence, but that doesn't mean that nothing he says, holds value, most of it does. Take what he says that is accurate, focus on that, and don't worry about the rest, I say.


Editing to Add : Damn I posted this to the wrong thread oops.

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Your charts look tense, fascinating, yet erratic, at least the synastry. The composite is more organized. What I worry about is your Moon, an unaspected Moon is very challenging and usually not long-lasting.

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quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Your charts look tense, fascinating, yet erratic, at least the synastry. The composite is more organized. What I worry about is your Moon, an unaspected Moon is very challenging and usually not long-lasting.



I could be eyeballing this wrong but I see Venus on the sun moon midpoint, conjunct IC to me that'd make up for the moon being unaspected.

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posted December 07, 2015 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The use of composite charts for a non-relationship is unwarranted, particularly when there is no birth time for him. Stick with the synastry, not necessarily to foretell the relationship, but as a study. Without the b.t. for him, you'll have to leave out his lunar position, Asc, etc. Also leave out the asteroids if you want any level of clarity at all. They just are not important enough.

What you want in synastry for a good relationship is a majority of positive, helpful aspects. That does not mean just sextiles, trines, some conjunctions are good, but squares/oppositions are only bad. Person A's Venus opposite Person B's Jupiter/Moon/Sun is good, an activation of affection. Don't count it as negative.

Use about 5° and count up the positive vs negative aspects. What do you get?

Include declinations. Always.

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posted December 07, 2015 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought a friendship was considered a relationship? I don't know what declinations are.

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The use of composite charts for a non-relationship is unwarranted, particularly when there is no birth time for him. Stick with the synastry, not necessarily to foretell the relationship, but as a study. Without the b.t. for him, you'll have to leave out his lunar position, Asc, etc. Also leave out the asteroids if you want any level of clarity at all. They just are not important enough.

What you want in synastry for a good relationship is a majority of positive, helpful aspects. That does not mean just sextiles, trines, some conjunctions are good, but squares/oppositions are only bad. Person A's Venus opposite Person B's Jupiter/Moon/Sun is good, an activation of affection. Don't count it as negative.

Use about 5° and count up the positive vs negative aspects. What do you get?

Include declinations. Always.


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posted December 07, 2015 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does Venus on the sun moon midpoint conjunct IC mean? Are you talking about in the composite or synastry chart?

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Originally posted by Spongebob:

I could be eyeballing this wrong but I see Venus on the sun moon midpoint, conjunct IC to me that'd make up for the moon being unaspected.

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posted December 07, 2015 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you talking about my moon or his? Without his birth time any aspects to his moon wouldn't be accurate.

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Your charts look tense, fascinating, yet erratic, at least the synastry. The composite is more organized. What I worry about is your Moon, an unaspected Moon is very challenging and usually not long-lasting.


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quote:
Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Are you talking about my moon or his? Without his birth time any aspects to his moon wouldn't be accurate.


Your Moon is unaspected. And you posted your charts for me to look at them because you thought I know at least basic astrology rules, so don't tell me what's accurate or not. Learn to say thank you and to be respectful and grateful for the help and info you get here.

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posted December 07, 2015 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wasn't saying that you didn't know what you were talking about. I was just asking a question that's all I'm here to learn. Of course I appreciate the help I get from people here.

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Your Moon is unaspected. And you posted your charts for me to look at them because you thought I know at least basic astrology rules, so don't tell me what's accurate or not. Learn to say thank you and to be respectful and grateful for the help and info you get here.

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posted December 07, 2015 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I thought a friendship was considered a relationship? I don't know what declinations are.

A composite chart is one in which both person's own birth chart positions, by use of mid-points, are merged into one, symbolizing the merging of lives. It is a chart to be used for two people whose lived are merged, i.e., married or at least committed partners living together.

Declinations are the north/south positions of the planets and are essential to obtaining the complete synastry picture. If you get a reading from anyone who does not use them, you will almost certainly have a reading that at the least is incomplete, and at most is just off.

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posted December 07, 2015 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing about an unaspected moon in synastry is that you may feel desperate and unreasonably emotional about the relationship, and there is no specific outlet within the relationship for that emotionalism so it just floods everything out. It's also spilled onto the boards here. He can't see or accept an integral part of your being, you're unlikely to feel at peace, yet as long as you continue to interact with him you will be striving ceaselessly for it. An unaspected planet in synastry acts like a natal peregrine planet. It just takes over, but the other person needs to be SO THERE FOR YOU in order for it to be an effective presence as a peregrine planet can be. This isn't really reflected in these charts.

I think you saw me mention (and quickly edit and retract) my statement that I would tell you you could be friends with this person and I would give you ten reasons but that wasn't the right thing for me to say...

The thing is that you need to have some clarity about why you feel as strongly as you do, and Lee has touched on one of the primary factors.

There is somebody in my community here in my town with whom I have a very tumultuous relationship. Both of our moons are unaspected. The synastry is actually beautiful and flawless in some respects otherwise. The composite has a very tight Moon Uranus square... We got into a pretty volatile fight a while back... in since ways i feel compelled to interact but anyway.. anyway I'm telling you this because honestly an unaspected moon is really tough... even if other aspects are really supportive..

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posted December 07, 2015 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The best way to get a serious synastry analysis is to post the birth charts of both people which contain the exact planet positions of each. I detest astro.com synastry charts as seen above and never use them precisely because they do not show the list of exact planet positions so that precise orbs can be used.

With full data or complete charts I could jump in here with something substantial using exactly the approach I described above.

But to actually answer your question, I doubt that those charts literally make or break a relationship. And keep communication going if you want it and he is not disrespectful, deceptive, etc. You won't know about honesty until you have a basis for meeting in person, but it could simply be a friendship that has its benefits without moving further.

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posted December 07, 2015 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This friendship could still be a useful catalyst. The Pluto squares in the composite indicate that deep transformative work can happen between you. The effect of all the tension in the relationship could be that you end up looking at some long buried wounds and bring them to the surface for renewal. He could be a powerful catalyst for very important personal work, examining your own emotions. .

my friend with whom I have the unaspected moon double whammy thing, she did that for me in a way but it was unreasonable. What she helped me see was how I am right to feel the way I feel. There is nothing wrong with saying i need time to heal (she yelled at me saying i wasn't saving the world fast enough after i had just had a 3 week kidney infection folllowing a horrible break up... so my lesson there was actually yeah I am doing fine and i can say please don't come around me anymore. For you with this person the lesson will likely be different, but this is a guideline idea. It's an opportunity to assert your self worth and self understanding.

With his Saturn square your Mercury self esteem issues around your intellect might possibly surface. Stand your ground but take what there may be to learn; however, remember that his perspective and judgment are simply different than yours and nothing he says or does can invalidate your being.

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posted December 07, 2015 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you mean a friendship that has it's benefits without moving forward?
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The best way to get a serious synastry analysis is to post the birth charts of both people which contain the exact planet positions of each. I detest astro.com synastry charts as seen above and never use them precisely because they do not show the list of exact planet positions so that precise orbs can be used.

With full data or complete charts I could jump in here with something substantial using exactly the approach I described above.

But to actually answer your question, I doubt that those charts literally make or break a relationship. And keep communication going if you want it and he is not disrespectful, deceptive, etc. You won't know about honesty until you have a basis for meeting in person, but it could simply be a friendship that has its benefits without moving further.


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posted December 07, 2015 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is why I need to have his birth time because it could be different for his moon. Even if mines is unaspected but I don't understand why I feel so strongly about him if this is the case. Maybe I should just forget about being friends with him altogether or at least try to forget. In certain ways I feel that he does help me I told him that the thought of losing him scares me.
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
One thing about an unaspected moon in synastry is that you may feel desperate and unreasonably emotional about the relationship, and there is no specific outlet within the relationship for that emotionalism so it just floods everything out. It's also spilled onto the boards here. He can't see or accept an integral part of your being, you're unlikely to feel at peace, yet as long as you continue to interact with him you will be striving ceaselessly for it. An unaspected planet in synastry acts like a natal peregrine planet. It just takes over, but the other person needs to be SO THERE FOR YOU in order for it to be an effective presence as a peregrine planet can be. This isn't really reflected in these charts.

I think you saw me mention (and quickly edit and retract) my statement that I would tell you you could be friends with this person and I would give you ten reasons but that wasn't the right thing for me to say...

The thing is that you need to have some clarity about why you feel as strongly as you do, and Lee has touched on one of the primary factors.

There is somebody in my community here in my town with whom I have a very tumultuous relationship. Both of our moons are unaspected. The synastry is actually beautiful and flawless in some respects otherwise. The composite has a very tight Moon Uranus square... We got into a pretty volatile fight a while back... in since ways i feel compelled to interact but anyway.. anyway I'm telling you this because honestly an unaspected moon is really tough... even if other aspects are really supportive..


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quote:
Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
What does Venus on the sun moon midpoint conjunct IC mean? Are you talking about in the composite or synastry chart?



The person with the aspected moon, has their sun moon midpoint right on the other persons IC

In other words their midpoint hits an angle of the other persons chart. That may be enough to trump the lack of moon aspects possibly.

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