posted December 31, 2015 04:36 PM            

Thanks for your additional insights. Hmm, does anything stand out for you in the progressions and draconics?

I understand you may not have time for "astrology-ing" tonight.

posted December 31, 2015 06:10 PM            

Hoping for northern lights in lieu of fireworks thanks to recent solar flares.... Will send a prayer to you

posted January 01, 2016 08:58 PM            

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My progressed Venus/Asc are conjunct at 21 Scorpio opposite his progressed Sun.

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Saw it. Looked a bit deeper so got the data from the wheels as I was genuinely curious about this case.

The reason he was/is so crazy about this girl is clearly seen in the progressions. Their exact Venus/Mars opposition in synastry enhanced by his progressed Venus trine her natal Venus and sextile his own Mars. But it's now clearly separating by a deg from her nVenus. A fading matter although our human nature ofcourse likes to hold on to the memory of 'how things once were' (for a little while only).

YOURS however

enjoy it!

posted January 02, 2016 05:23 PM            

Wondering if I may what specifically you've seen in our progressed--the Sun-Venus opposition is a little wide perhaps... I'm fond of the Venus-Moon opposition and how in a few years it will be an opposition to my natal moon.. in fact looking ahead with our progressions lots of nice things are coming to fruition; given my natal Jupiter is retrograde it's actually traveling back towards his natal Venus and heading for an eventual conjunction with his progressed Sun--that's gotta be good. The angles are doing some pretty sweet things too.

The progressed composite between those two involves a l an exact Venus Uranus square at the moment. Ours is going to have such a square happening in a few years but it's far from exact now... that will likely sort of coincide with my transiting Uranus-natal DSC conjuction. A wild ride! Anyhow...

In draconic we have a Venus-IC conjuction at 0-1 Pisces,right by his natal Amor and opposite my Juno. There is a Sun(his)-Moon(mine) conjunction in the draconic as well. I'm at a rest stop in eastern Manitoba or else I would pull up the charts... for now just taking a breath to say these things..

I'm taking noviles very seriously at this point in my career/hobby whatever. Souped up trines with an issue to their undertaking, is my feeling about them. They just seem to indicate such a specific and pronounced energetic synthesis of the astral bodies at play. The Sun-North Node novile between us is really important. Also our North Nodes are quintile one another, which I was really feeling late last night during conversation two mutable north nodes just excited about how communicating is the answer to world peace; words and not violence. That's his Gemini Asc/NN talking and my Pisces NN just loving him so, so much...

Anyway... I met his Dad and brother and nephew just now and his Dad told me stories about my Dad being such a good friend over the years (since middle school), spoke of my grandparents too... lovingly... I love his Dad and feel I've known his brother a long time too.. wondering about our DNA asteroids at this point but no time for that now... anyway I love hearing about my Dad and feeling his energy. He was (is) a special person and to speak with someone who loves him is kind of the best. It really feels like this is all very much meant to be. The progressed draconic envelope (visible in the thread I bumped about progressed draconic charts) is fairly telling I think.

posted January 04, 2016 01:41 PM            

Their progressed stuff

posted January 04, 2016 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Yung, did you notice they have BODA conjunct their SUN?

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Yes Auby... noticed a fair few things lol.

posted January 04, 2016 05:10 PM            

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Wondering if I may what specifically you've seen in our progressed--the Sun-Venus opposition is a little wide perhaps...

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It's within the reliable orb of 2 deg applying now (perhaps you're aware of Westran's research on this progressed subject and when people hook up or are coming closer during certain progressions, if not I can give you a link). There are not many things I'm pretty certain about in astrology but the progressed synastry has proven itself as an amazing tool here.

My focus only on Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars/angles in this area. With Venus as an absolute must. Westran kept his research restricted to the Sun/Venus/Mars only which on itself already might be an extensive area of focus.

posted January 04, 2016 05:15 PM            

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I am still on the road ...

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posted January 04, 2016 06:22 PM            

And ahh I see, 10 years of becoming tighter and stronger DOES sound good!

I actually have Westran's book can't help but wonder about planets other than those he studied sometimes, you know? But given the reliability of the Venus connections I guess we don't need to know too much else... lunar phases do seem hugely important. And i guess you also look at aspects to moon and angles in progressions... so fascinated, wanting to pick your brain and not knowing where to start

Very very grateful for your input here.

posted January 04, 2016 09:14 PM            

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Do you figure it's most potent while applying? They met two years ago and became close over that time. Likely during that Venus-Venus trine eh?

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For sure and Exactly!

Going through something similar myself funnily enough. That's why your story at first got me (not knowing about the progressions yet). In the sense of; how can she handle this?! (him thinking about another girl etc.). But the bloody fact is that I broke up with mine because him THINKING (dream/dream/dream) about this girl he was crazy about in january/feb (all before he met me / they worked together at-that-time) last year (important fact: I have a Scorp-moon for who the thinking-part alone already is a knife in the back). But it's still thinking (dream / they never had something and she sort of rejected him back then) .... not saying that he's not thinking about me, ow yeaa he does, even more now since my back off. He had to know what he had lost (with me) u know.
When she heard about him having a g-f (me) she made her "jealousy" clear to one of his friends. When he got that his reaction was 'she's crying over spilt milk'. BUT.. the thinking-part started again, or well, as a typical scorp-moon I sort of "forced a confession out of him -> and the genuine emo-world of an Aqua-Moon came to light" and that's when he couldn't deny it. So: DONE! (me).. but I missed him and he missed me etc.

posted January 05, 2016 12:04 AM            

I'm curious now about his natal chart; that whole draw towards the unavailable powerful dream must be in there. When I'm with someone it's whole hog... i mean i might try to dream about someone else but I really can't. I'm curious about all the charts in this situation actually... wonder why we generate this curiosity in one another! There must be something to learn..

Well... i don't know how i can handle it except to say that my jealousy destroyed our connection years ago and I am not going to repeat the mistake. I love and like him too much. I care about him and really truly want him to be happy. And my Capricorn moon apparently is able to be stoic like this. I can imagine if my Moon were in Scorp i wouldn't be able to grin and bear it.. the rest of my Scorp is experiencing the significant challenge of lovibg and letting go. Of being the eagle. And my Pisces north node is kind of reveling in the opportunity for selflessness and sacrifice in a way. Sounds twisted lol.... but his Juno there makes perfect sense. It's what he's looking for. Maybe I am it. Who knows?

I've had practise being second fiddle in other situations and this is bringing up that pain. But he insists i shouldn't compare myself and i don't really... not much. Mostly because i genuinely love her also! . Still it does bring up pain. I am in a very vulnerable state. I have truly never felt like this about anybody before. i am doing things i never knew i would do.

Their connection is profound and possibly will endure but it likely would have come to fruition by now...

who knows?

Honestly if he weren't so open and honest and truthful about all of it it would be MUCH harder... maybe impossible. Thing is he is truly doing his best and just being himself. Being honest. And i really love him.

I can be patient with this if it means having him in my life. It's scary to think of losing him but I need to remember nothing is permanent and just enjoy while i can. As with anything.

posted January 05, 2016 08:57 AM            

I'm feeling really challenged. Don't get me wrong. During their visit yesterday apparently they spoke about the time they could have gotten together and tried to make ago. I do think my presence in his life is making him more desirable for her a bit perhaps... which is hard..

posted January 05, 2016 06:44 PM            

They btw also have a DW Sun/Venus opposition in synastry. They even are going through the same progressed LQ (last quarter) Sun/Moon phase (her TOB = unknown but it might even be exact). They got a new home at the exact-same-time recently. Their parents both divorced. They live a mile from each other (us 126 miles).

And their progressed charts are dancing with a geometric beauty next to each other. I haven't seen this ever before.
pSun/pSun quincunx
pVenus/pVenus quincunx
both pVenuses quincunx to the other's natal Sun.
both pSuns quincunx to the other's natal Venus.

Both pSun/pVenus oppositions are separating btw.

Well, if we keep it with the other progressed biggies, those we would expect to find according to Westran's research, it might be his pMars trine her nVenus within 2 applying now.

I'm fighting a losing battle here, I very much suspect.

If you still want to see his or their charts, let me know..

posted January 05, 2016 10:50 PM            

You say she is monogamist by nature. Knowing how he is and has been, would she tolerate his actions were they exclusive? That may be his fascination with her...that she would be loyal to only him. I am not sure. Or that she wants only him, but knows of his tendencies...and keeps herself at arms length knowing she has some influence.

posted January 07, 2016 08:27 PM            

Noticed my Jupiter is conjunct composite Juno and composite Jupiter is widely conjunct his Juno. His Jupiter opposes composite Juno but his Jupiter is conjunct his Uranus and that opposition is tightest. How do we deal with these Uranus hybrids! Every aspect my Saturn makes, my Uranus also makes. Wtf?! You know!?

I feel we are leveling out... reaching an understanding. If he doesn't come tonight that will be 3 nights he hasn't slept here... yet we attended a ceremony together and kissed... so that's alright. With all the Pluto squares in the composite it's great if we can get at least a little space and perspective. I must let him be and let him come to me when he's ready.

Been reflecting on the Leo Venus in comp... just how SkyMates2 has it. .. the need for this grandiose love... it's there it's a nice position for Venus opposite Sun, she just loves to be shone upon...

it's all good... whatever happens i love everything and everyone and the pain of the whole world can come to rest in my bosom

posted January 07, 2016 11:47 PM            

I can say that I admire his honesty in the situation, and I know he's not intentionally stringing you along. But the bottom line is that he would run away with her in a heartbeat if she committed to him heart and soul. As you said, you don't play second fiddle. If I were you I would value him as a close friend, but not expect a commitment from him. I don't think he's capable of that at this time.

posted January 08, 2016 10:51 AM            

I'm not going to end the connection in favour of having somebody's whole heart. I don't honestly believe it's natural or the best way to go about a loving healthy connection... Despite you saying that because I'm a Scorpio it is. That's like saying because I'm a Virgo/Libra I have a basic need to rip into people. The shadow side of the signs is not always the predominant mechanism at play.. and i understand you're probably not meaning it in a negative way, just saying that my desire for to be most special is valid kind of deal. And that Scorpio loves intensely and needs the same in return. That's all true.

And i guess he's struggling because he also doesn't like to be in a union if he can't give his whole heart to it. He says until it's resolved with her he can't commit to me. He regretted it though maybe and is back pedaling because he realizes that the foundation of our healthy connection this time around has been my acceptance of his heart exactly as it is...

posted January 08, 2016 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
[B]Yungang, I'm sorry that you're having to go through this. My personal opinion(for what it's worth) is that you can't continue to share him for much longer. Even if he commits to you over time you will grow to resent the fact that his heart desires to be with her. I think you are his security blanket. I think you fear letting your jealous nature show, because you're worried it will scare him off(again). As a fellow Scorpio, I don't think that you can fight your instincts forever. It's in our nature to want to possess our beloved. Your Moon might alter things a bit, but you have obsessive and idealistic tendencies when it comes to love. It takes one to know one. I think maybe you are being too available and accommodating to his needs, and over time you will hate him for it.

I can say that I admire his honesty in the situation, and I know he's not intentionally stringing you along. But the bottom line is that he would run away with her in a heartbeat if she committed to him heart and soul. As you said, you don't play second fiddle. If I were you I would value him as a close friend, but not expect a commitment from him. I don't think he's capable of that at this time.
B]

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My thoughts exactly. Well said.