posted January 08, 2016 02:35 PM            

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I haven't given up in TEN YEARS of zero communication.

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posted January 08, 2016 05:41 PM            

We were able to share openly about basically everything, it was really wonderful. This person is truly amazing, and the mutual feelings of love and support and honesty and presence are tangible and real. It's a really inspiring situation. I basically told her I love their love and want him to be happy, and her also... and told her about their Moons being conjunct and we discussed that feeling of closeness. I noted her Juno being under-activated and her Saturn, and she confirmed she doesn't see it as turning into that particular kind of partnership, but is admantly unwilling to give up the friendship/connection which inherently involves romance (and I wouldn't want her to! Unfortuantely her partner does sort of want her to but I've offered to talk to him lol... I think he'll come around to seeing it's really good for everyone).

I'm inspired right now by everybody's maturity and honesty and the power of true love... which is circling in abundance here.

It's ok if he can't commit to me, but I think he might just possibly come around to the notion that it's ok to do so, especially as she is very committed elsewhere, and it would be... like a balance kinda... and he would get to have someone by his side rather than be lonesome, could be with me sometimes. I just want to maintain our friendship. And cuddle... and create a beautiful paradise in the forest lol that's all.

posted January 08, 2016 07:44 PM            

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The Scorpio waits patiently and is willing to ride the current situation out until I'm over the Aries and back to him, but the moment I float towards him and away from the Aries, he lashes out at me for causing him pain and a heartache.

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That's ^ me. Knowing myself pretty well by now hehe (scorp moon ey)

There are more coincidences in this thread, about the DW S/V opposition, not? ;D (I know Orange also has)

I/we made a stop for (at least) now btw. We just called and I said I'm losing my spontaneous Self because of this all. Being totally true to myself. He had the impression that I'm filling in too much myself / making it my own story ('bout him & her) .. but well, other circumstances (financially / distance) also are playing a role now. And.. we have an upcoming pVenus/nSun square! It all falls at its place progressed wise.

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and she confirmed she doesn't see it as turning into that particular kind of partnership, but is admantly unwilling to give up the friendship/connection which inherently involves romance

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That's ^ the feeling I got all along. More of a friendship with a bit of a romantic undertone. Ok, him making it a big fairytale is another thing ofcouse, but that more points to a lack of experience also. After all, when reality kicks in and a settlement is made we often see the true implications of our dreamy journey and let's be honest, what do we all truly want in our deepest? Ofcourse, someone truly loving us as only on love we can build a long life together.

And the progressed fact is, that their outstanding syna Venus/Mars opposition (of this girl & him) was considerably enhanced by his pVenus. They indeed have an exceptionally strong Venus/Mars connection (DW trine & opp. EXACT both) in their synastry so there will Always be 'something' but his 'obsession' for this girl started under the above mentioned pV progression which .. well, falls at its place! And another outstanding fact of their 'pleasant combined energies' is that they have an opposing Sun/Moon phase in their synastry. That simply 'fits'.

Their 'progressed future' doesn't predict more than they already have now, it will rather be a fading matter because of the more and more separating pVenus trine.

posted January 09, 2016 04:48 PM            

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted January 09, 2016 04:52 PM            

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If only, if only, I could just get them to agree to tolerate each other, I'd so live with 2 husbands under the same roof.

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That would even be my ultimate dream

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Also my progressed Venus at 22' Scorpio is currently in applying opposition to Aries's progressed Sun at 20' Taurus.

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Is that ^ a retro Venus?

EDIT@ indeed, I looked at it; exact early 2021. Verrry slow pVenus. At your pAsc/Desc axis then. So, that is also a long one for Scorpio then!

posted January 09, 2016 07:19 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
@ indeed, I looked at it; exact early 2021. Verrry slow pVenus. At your pAsc/Desc axis then.

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posted January 10, 2016 09:56 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ahh Yun that Yod Wedge in your synastry, pretty hard to escape. Lots of similiarities between your charts too. But I don't see true happiness coming from this for you, more like a Scorpio "on the edge" temptation of mystique, fascination, dangerous liaisons and delightful despair, I had to say it.

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would love to hear more of your reasoning here LeeLoo. I feel like he is part of my destiny; to propel me into the right path and teach me about the best way to be in the world. He forces this unrelenting self reflection which at its core involves total self love and respect. But he does indeed bring out in me self doubt and difficult emotions as well as a sense of rightness. It's like I'm being pushed forward to learn and grow in a lot of intense ways. So yes it's not an easy, "happy" thing necessarily but nor do i see it as simply an intrigue or drama. It feels important... and i do feel happy with him though not necessarily totally secure perhaps, it's true. We're sort of in a re-building trust stage at the moment. Sometimes I'm almost tempted to just call it off but I can't.. there's just no way I can do that to him or myself. It's not the right thing to do.

I'm really curious why you're saying that though. I respect you as an astrologer and want your help as a friend. I need to understand what's going on here as in depth as possible.

we do have a lot of similarities...

I'm working on not delighting in despair but there is indeed a mystique and fascination which might equate to that. The real experiences of joy and communion and deep understanding are real though.

And indeed I'm calling it all in. The t Uranus-Venus opposition right now combined with my progressed Venus situation is making me ripe for an "on the edge" experience. Honestly i wouldn't have it any other way. I'm not looking for someone to settle into a routine with. I want to stay on my toes and live like a warrior... each moment full to the brim with possibility.

That's how he is and it is good for someone to kick my lazy butt into gear just joking -sort of.

posted January 10, 2016 11:13 PM            

But yeah... I'm going back and forth a lot. I know I'm like... saying I'll never give up on this thing... but honestly it's hard, it's really very hard. Right now the dynamic is that he'd obviously prefer to be with her which is just so hard. Before it really felt like i was definitely the Centre of his attention... and you guys are right.. i really do like that.. but really since she saw us together she's been drawing him closer and he can't resist. It's rough. Pat Geisler writes in her book that a third party trying to make a go with a person in a relationship with a Moon-Moon conjunction will find their connection as ephemeral as smoke on a windy day if the other Moon person makes amends/apologizes. It is so strange that of all the things she could have written that is what she wrote.

Sometimes i think maybe if he and i can build something over time it will be solid and he will feel as much of a connection or devotion to me but... yeah it's hard at the moment. I don't want to be on the back burner and i really am willing to give it my all which winds up embarrassing.

posted January 12, 2016 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
would love to hear more of your reasoning here LeeLoo. I feel like he is part of my destiny; to propel me into the right path and teach me about the best way to be in the world. He forces this unrelenting self reflection which at its core involves total self love and respect. But he does indeed bring out in me self doubt and difficult emotions as well as a sense of rightness. It's like I'm being pushed forward to learn and grow in a lot of intense ways. So yes it's not an easy, "happy" thing necessarily but nor do i see it as simply an intrigue or drama. It feels important... and i do feel happy with him though not necessarily totally secure perhaps, it's true. We're sort of in a re-building trust stage at the moment. Sometimes I'm almost tempted to just call it off but I can't.. there's just no way I can do that to him or myself. It's not the right thing to do.

I'm really curious why you're saying that though. I respect you as an astrologer and want your help as a friend. I need to understand what's going on here as in depth as possible.

we do have a lot of similarities...

I'm working on not delighting in despair but there is indeed a mystique and fascination which might equate to that. The real experiences of joy and communion and deep understanding are real though.

And indeed I'm calling it all in. The t Uranus-Venus opposition right now combined with my progressed Venus situation is making me ripe for an "on the edge" experience. Honestly i wouldn't have it any other way. I'm not looking for someone to settle into a routine with. I want to stay on my toes and live like a warrior... each moment full to the brim with possibility.

That's how he is and it is good for someone to kick my lazy butt into gear just joking -sort of.

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There's a very strong attraction/fascination in the synastry, and the Yod Wedge (the trapezoid, the interconnected Yods) keeps you in there at least until a certain time/sequence occurs. I am sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like I am minimizing your experience; it's just that I've reached very simple "laws of love" for myself, and also trying to look for them when doing astrology, and to mention them. I think the simplest rule now is that being loved and falling in love makes you feel unique, the one who is in love with you and is able to love, will have eyes only for you; it's a primordial part of experiencing being loved, having someone in love with you, this exclusiveness, it's part of the definition. I see this as reality and reflecting the true beatitude and torment of love, not as a model from fairy tales. This is what happens when it is happening and everything else is below. And life is too short for love surrogates. If your lover can't make you feel the unique, amazing person that you are, if you don't see it in his eyes, then there's nothing he can do for you. Love is a vehicle for us to feel our irreplicable uniqueness, the wonders that we are.

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posted January 13, 2016 03:59 PM            

he is struggling a great deal right now because he sees as his patterns, his mistakes. His Jupiter/Uranus on his descendant makes it very difficult for him..
Among other things

It is becoming clear that i am real and here and preparedto give it my all. We're planning on having another chat about commitment i think soon..

The thing with the other girl must be concluded if we are to commit, which he said to me and i angrily responded it never would be... wrong answer. We're going back over that one now because i should have listened closer.

Cause it sounds like he will commit to me if he can resolve this with her. He feels responsible for her emotionally as well he should; having romanced her these two years (he is fairly irresistible). Now she is suffering because she can see he's really in love and I'm her words "what's he is like when he can actually BE with someone" (me; very very sweet).

So anyway. Evolving understanding. I think it was maybe immature of me to say it doesn't need to be one or the other of us because obviously it is straight up a choice between us

So the choice is; the unavailable person who gives most of her time to this other guy--or me? I AM awesome and i will keep being awesome. If we aren't right for each other--so be it. But i have a hunch that we are.

I'm reaching a true state of equilibrium right now.

Had a consultation with Dawn at the inner wheel and she thought we have a very solid/growth oriented draconic synastry situation as well as an extremely promising Davison chart, with which I agree.

thanks for your input Lee <3 it's wise and i get where you're coming from.

posted February 27, 2016 09:02 PM            

A forum like this is so good for gaining perspective on my own shortcomings and blind spots..

I'm just dredging this thread up to provide a bit of an update and to say:

their respective nodal axises are on the composite asc/desc and mc/ic!! Did you ever!??

posted February 27, 2016 09:12 PM            

Buuut I've told him he needs to call before coming over now, as i need to take back some of my power in the relationship (somebody had the great idea around Christmas of giving him a key..).

I tend to make myself too available in relationships in various ways and it does nobody a lick of good. Working on that.

Tonight he's playing a show and she is going to be there. I can't go because my daughter is sick and my mom won't watch her anymore. So that's alright.

Point is we have reached the predicted impasse. He is terrified of losing us both. He's an extremely emotional creature and this is very affecting for him.. me too of course... there is a lot of love here. I've assured him he's not going to lose me; I simply can't shut down on him except insofar as it makes sense for my own well being (i guess that could end up looking like losing me but the real love and care he has for me is just so apparent that I don't think it'll ever come to that; we'll remain friends no matter what)..

I'm almost excited to see them get together honestly, because it will at least be an answer, but I fear that things aren't going to ever look that simple. And of course I kinda hope he'll "choose me" whatever choice means in this crazy universe. I'm glad at any rate that it has come to this, and her boyfriend has made this ultimatum because it's been unconfortable waiting for the bottom to fall out of their relationship.

it is natural that my relationship with D would make him more desirable to her. I think that's a big part of this.

Faith's reflections seem to be holding true though; pur relationship is real world, theirs is always struggling and yearning... but oh isn't it delightful. Auby made a really good point too about the invisible person holding so much sway.

posted February 27, 2016 10:10 PM            

His Nodal axis is exactly opposite my daughters and identical to my mom's. Sometimes I stress over my lack of activation of his nodes but this fact has sort of quieted my doubts.

They have double whammy Sun/Moon midpoint = Nodes (in his case it is a semi-or sesqui-square of his Sun/Moon mp to her nodal axis)

posted March 30, 2016 01:24 PM            

She decided to go back to her guy. They're presently traveling together in South America and D. (the Aries in question) was really heart broken that she didn't text or call to say goodbye even though they saw each other a few days previous. I think this is exemplified by his Saturn being much more heavily aspected in the synastry than hers. He feels compelled to relate, she doesn't feel the same compunction as he does about moving on...

Here is her synastry with her boyfriend of two years. I wonder if you can see why she prefers this connection. Saturn as ruler of her descendant is an all important factor i suspect. Obviously double whanmy Sun-Nodes is powerful.

His birth time is unknown.