posted January 01, 2016 12:53 PM            

Eckhart warned against that, didn't he? Or maybe he was talking so slowly, he made you want to accelerate the pace.

My Saturn opposing Mercury is here to lay on the brakes.

First, do you mean moon-Pluto in synastry? Or natal?

If synastry: I think you're asking if the Pluto person would be unresponsive to the moon, so the moon's affections are unrequited?

posted January 01, 2016 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Slow down, you are thinking too fast.

Eckhart warned against that, didn't he? Or maybe he was talking so slowly, he made you want to accelerate the pace.

My Saturn opposing Mercury is here to lay on the brakes.

First, do you mean moon-Pluto in synastry? Or natal?

If synastry: I think you're asking if the Pluto person would be unresponsive to the moon, so the moon's affections are unrequited?

If natal: I think you're asking if the person is self-defeating in love matters because Pluto prevents the moon from forming attachments. Am I close?

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I meant natally but I posted here because it involved relationships, perhaps it would've been better in A2.0 but anyway...

Not that the person is self-defeating, but will Pluto in the 5th house bring on just as many unrequited love situations as Saturn squares do? Can Pluto signify cold rejection the same way Saturn can?

posted January 01, 2016 10:03 PM            

"If synastry: I think you're asking if the Pluto person would be unresponsive to the moon, so the moon's affections are unrequited?"

Faith, how would a square between Pluto and Moon workout in synastry?? its a tight square to the degree. Pluto Libra and Capricorn Moon

My take on the natal interpretation would be, that the individual may have a thing to control emotions in themselves and in others - sorta like emotional manipulation but may experience intense emotions I doubt they'd be unresponsive. This is for the trine, sextile and maybe conjunct aspect.

posted January 01, 2016 11:02 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Not that the person is self-defeating, but will Pluto in the 5th house bring on just as many unrequited love situations as Saturn squares do? Can Pluto signify cold rejection the same way Saturn can?

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Saturn squares bring unrequited love situations? But not in a self-defeating way?
I'm trying to imagine how that would work. Let's say Saturn square Venus would deal with unrequited love because:

1) ...they start to get involved with a person and their affections freeze up when that person likes them. Or

2)...they start to get involved with a person and as their feelings intensify, somehow it causes the other person to back away.

Then you said, "Can Pluto signify cold rejection the same way Saturn can?"

To me, it's an even colder rejection with Pluto. It's stark. While Venus square Saturn is standoffish and reserved, but capable of a kind of detached warmth, Pluto squares would be more all-or-nothing. They could snap in a moment of fury, they are just more emotionally deep and volatile.

From what I've seen, it's like sometimes Pluto squares will erupt from the subconscious and the person doesn't even understand why they just got SO pi$$ed off at someone whom they actually love. But...when that happens....Pluto is self-defeating. There's always the responsibility to stabilize ourselves, and stable people tend to fare better in longer-term relationships...just to state the obvious.

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Now I'm off on another stream of consciousness (haha) because of how the pain may differ between Saturn and Pluto... maybe that's what I was getting at all along?

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posted January 01, 2016 11:15 PM            

Pluto is afraid that someone or something will take the love away against their will, including death of a loved one, hence Pluto rejects love prematurely in order to avoid future pain.

posted January 01, 2016 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Julz87:
Faith, how would a square between Pluto and Moon workout in synastry?? its a tight square to the degree. Pluto Libra and Capricorn Moon

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I think Libra Pluto and Cap moons can get along just fine, but Libra Pluto won't always indulge the Cap moon's need to feel they are *right.* (They put so much effort into being right, it's exasperating to get no credit for it.)

posted January 01, 2016 11:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Saturn thinks that he is unlovable and not worthy of love, hence Saturn may reject love prematurely or be difficult upon receiving it, because Saturn doesnt believe it.

Pluto is afraid that someone or something will take the love away against their will, including death of a loved one, hence Pluto rejects love prematurely in order to avoid future pain.

Same result, different reasoning.

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posted January 04, 2016 10:45 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I was listening to Eckhart Tolle tonight about one-sided love relationships, and the great pain that comes afterwards when it suddenly popped in my head that one of the effects for Moon / Pluto *in hard aspect* in houses 11/5... maybe others... is love going unreciprocated by people, instead of Venus square Saturn like we're always quick to blame. What do you think? Can Pluto be unresponsive in that regard?

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posted January 17, 2016 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Well, as a PLUTO opposite MOON in his 5H (and my 8H) I can't say we've had this problem.

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posted January 20, 2016 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Saturn thinks that he is unlovable and not worthy of love, hence Saturn may reject love prematurely or be difficult upon receiving it, because Saturn doesnt believe it.

Pluto is afraid that someone or something will take the love away against their will, including death of a loved one, hence Pluto rejects love prematurely in order to avoid future pain.

Same result, different reasoning.

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posted May 13, 2016 05:53 PM            

but the point is that moon-pluto is about penetrating into other people psyches and sensing their pain, their inhibitions, hurt feelings. this energy wave is meant to purify and release tensions, it's a healing vibe. not all people are ready to confront this.

another thing is that moon-pluto makes you go very deep, exploring space, so somehow it can be named "obsessive" attitude. also not many people can embrace such intensity.

don't worry, there is no lack of love. it's just you trying to tame and learn to manage your power.

posted May 17, 2016 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by fiola:
A friend of mine has it natally,our plutos conjunct so we have it in synastry too. would this mean that he would feel restricted emotionally with me ?

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posted May 17, 2016 10:52 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
it suddenly popped in my head that one of the effects for Moon / Pluto *in hard aspect* in houses 11/5... maybe others... is love going unreciprocated by people, instead of Venus square Saturn

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I wouldn't say it's a Moon/Pluto thing, no. I think Moon/Pluto usually senses some kind of interest in others and that's when things can go wrong, either because they become too intense too quickly or because they start to control themselves (or the other person) too much (or both).

The other thing that can happen is that they subconsciously (or not) look for "drama". Like somehow they always end up in emotionally difficult situations. It's not that the people they're into aren't into THEM, it's more like, they're very emotionally complex themselves and act weird... It's a mirroring effect or a kind of projection.

The reason is that the Moon *needs* PLUTO energy to feel familiar... because familiarity is linked to safety - even if it's not true. And if the Pluto experience was a difficult one and emotional trauma is the result, then the Moon/Pluto person will find themselves attracted to/entangled in situations where there's a lot of "emotionally messed up stuff" going on. It's what feels attractive in an almost "compulsive" way (repetition compulsion).

posted May 17, 2016 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Saturn thinks that he is unlovable and not worthy of love, hence Saturn may reject love prematurely or be difficult upon receiving it, because Saturn doesnt believe it.

Pluto is afraid that someone or something will take the love away against their will, including death of a loved one, hence Pluto rejects love prematurely in order to avoid future pain.

Same result, different reasoning.

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