posted January 21, 2016 01:03 PM            

and pVenus trine pPluto on 15th may 2001.

This coincided with a very life-determining period for me.
It started with me watching the DVD of the new "Jesus Christ Superstar" on 12th february (yes I kinda remember that date. lol). Just wanting to have a glimpse, and when I became aware of my surroundings again, the last notes sounded and it was around 3 a.m.

It also curiously enough coincided with my initial encounter with the internet and led me to a forum for the first time, marking my return not only to the musicaltheatre, but to astrology, too, as well as picking up my writing again, to the socializing on that forum, leading up to meet some girls from there the year after that, while taking my first trip alone to Paris to meet people I had never even seen before, and they were dragging me along to the performance of "Delit d`Ivresse" with Jerome Pradon, who had been playing Judas in the new film of JCS. And I remember they were all swarming around him, and I was, well feeling rather uncomfortable and keeping in the background, until he was approaching me to ask me if I was the girl from Germany (apparently some of the others had mentioned me before. lol) and how odd it seems I have that effect on performers, instead me running up to them, they tend to approach me, if I stand still long enough and can keep myself from slipping away. lol

The month after that I saw a blast from the past, musical performer, spoke to him for the first time, and in fact shook his hand, that he wouldnīt let go of again. lol It was so bizarrely surreal, but it started a great healing period in my life.

It was also in 2001, so the year before meeting Jerome Pradon and Musicman, that I was with my family in Berlin watching the "Hunchback of Notre Dame".

Mr Sag has shared a memory about that JUST yesterday, recalling how he had been there to an afternoon performance. on a saturday. in 2001.

And my family and me had been there to an afternoon perormance. on a saturday. in 2001.

Hey I wouldnīt even be surprised if we might have seen the same one!
Hey it might even have been him, the hazy memory of seeing a man there, that lingered at the edge of my memory but that I cannot get a clear picture of somehow. Just remembering I saw someone, glimpsed someone. But that would have been too much of a coincidence.

However that also happened in 2001, with my Venus-Pluto-progression.

Anyway, it just struck me how the first play I ever saw Mr Sag in was Jesus Christ Superstar (many years after that though, with Tr Pluto heading towards my Venus as I just recall. lol Though it was rather squeezed in between my Sun and Venus, on the Sun/Venus-mp exact, on the AP, where the public meets the individual. lol)

Well he played Jesus then, and interesting that this came to my mind today, as he posted pictures of the rehearsal he is doing now, again Jesus Christ Superstar (he seems to need to play every few years. lol), but this time he is going to be Judas. LOL

Too bad I cannot see him in it. But yeah probably something else was important, lie Tr Uranus conjunct my Moon.
or the progressed New Moon I had the year before (as preparation phase?) on 21°35 Capricorn, with my natal Vertex being on 21°28 Cancer and my natal Sun/Moon-mp on 21°31 Capricorn.

What can I say?

posted January 21, 2016 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I was in a last quarter phase, last year I think, now there's nothing going on between Sun and Moon.

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Phase probably is still going on. Of course the beginning would be the most obvious, but jus the initial spark. Still within that lunar phase though and now it depends what of the quicker moving transits or progressions will "hit", but probably the lunar phase is still indicating into what direction the development will move.

posted January 21, 2016 09:53 PM            

I just looked at the Converse Progressions for each of us at the onset of our relationship, and what do I see.....

my conv prog Sun at 18' Cancer
his conv prog Moon at 18' Cancer

ha!

posted January 21, 2016 10:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
@Mir
I am trying to practice non attachment lol. So if I meet him, fine. If not, also fine. I'll update if it happens. The Venus-Venus is 1 deg. The converse one is 2 deg.

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Ok, great. In fact I'm trying to sort of practise this now too with the guy I have the exact same aspect as yours, even by 2 applying. cpMoon (mine) conjunct cpSun (his). Funny coincidence. When I very deeply miss him I won't call him anymore. And the next day I'm glad I didn't lol, seeing the impossibility of us being together then cleary before me. And with that 'being too close together' has Always proven to be ***** * in my life. Although ofcourse there were great moments when I survived a week together with him at his house (but aaaghhh, I wanted to go home!! and then he kept me from going @#%&.. I soooo wished he lived next door). Living-together, no NOT Me. We would kill each other. In fact I prefer to sort of 'dream on' which the breathing-down-my-neck reality doesn't allow anyway. Sending him snowsteps and getting such a sweet reply like 'thank you .. darling / you're so sweet to me' is enough. Really. He has (yet) too many dreams which I simply can't meet. Maybe later, maybe not.

posted January 21, 2016 10:35 PM            

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Hey Mir,
I just looked at the Converse Progressions for each of us at the onset of our relationship, and what do I see.....

my conv prog Sun at 18' Cancer
his conv prog Moon at 18' Cancer

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Orange WOW!!!!!

I just now see your reply... ;D

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It wasn't that easy to pinpoint the exact date lol.. but I got it!'

19 March 2016 it will be exact;

- His conv prog Sun 2'33 Aries
- My conv progr Moon 2'33 Aries

The only connection I can think of ..

is a SOLSTICE conjunction with our 27-28 Virgo/Pisces bunch in synastry; my Sun/Moon midpoint 27 Virgo, his Asc 26'47 Virgo, my Pluto 27'43 Virgo and his Venus 28'45 Pisces.

Ow well and the transiting Sun will be at 29 pisces then

edit@ My gosh his QUOTIDIAN CP-Asc will be back at its place that day! 27'53 Virgo!!

posted January 22, 2016 01:36 AM            

We had some when i sort of "resurfaced" 2 years after we first met.

Since we have a Sun-Sun-conjunction, this coincided with us both having a converse New Moon individually prior to that (the preceding year I think) and of course it means that the converse Sun-Moon-conjunction was a Doublewhammy, a little stretched out in time (few months I think - both happened at the end of Scorpio, I think on 26 and 20 degrees).

Now I find it interesting that his converse Moon will meet up with my forward progressed Moon. on 29°46 Leo, close to his NN on 1°22 Virgo. His converse Moon passing over from Virgo to Leo, my forward Moon heading from Leo to Virgo (we meet on the last degree of Leo, on his true Lilith. lol)

this will be on 29th october 2016. A bit before (also in october) his forward progressed Moon will be exactly opposite my converse Sun-Venus-conjunction,w hich will be separating by one minute by then I think.

coinciding with his converse Venus EXACT on my natal NN, the same minute. lol 10°09 Sagittarius.

posted January 22, 2016 04:45 AM            

[make a composite of A's natal and B's progressed chart]

Now, I did that for the 19-march date but this time in the conversed realm LOol. And ten I notice this..

The Composite of his CP-chart with my natal;
- Sun 4'59 Gem
while..
- My CP Venus 5'17 Gem

( ^ what a nicely applying beautyyyyyyyy~!)

You might think now.. well WTF is that "making a composite of ones CP-chart and anothers natal and then comparing it to each CP-chart????"

^ yes guys and to underline the beauty here;
My CP Venus makes the same angle to my NATAL Sun as wel as to his CP-Sun. Wonderful geometry!

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And if that wasn't enough when I turned the charts and looked at the Composite of my CP-chart and his natal;
- Venus: 2'01 Taurus
while..
- his natal Sun: 1'00 Taurus

(^ again such a nicely applying beautyyyyyyy~!)

Meaning: his natal Sun is making the same angle to his natal Venus as well as my CP-Venus.

I suspect those 2 ^ Sun/Venus conjunctions become exact around the same time.

Really interesting that it involves;

My CP Venus *
My natal Sun
His CP Sun

His natal Venus
His natal Sun *
My CP Venus

^ I have to process this all.

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In secondary progressed;

His pSun *
My nVenus
His nVenus

(^ also harmonic config.; nV/nV trine to which pSun sextile / almost exact conj compo Venus now)

posted January 22, 2016 12:50 PM            

And I actually love the techique of making a composite of ones progressed with the other`s natal chart.

Something interesting I noticed, in both cases his pr/my natal - composite

On the meeting last august
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LILITH 8°14 Sagittarius
ASC 7°46 Sagittarius

(on my n ASC on 7°09 Sagittarius)

the last time I saw him on stage in december, and he wsa giving me these weird looks/ stares
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LILITH 8°15 Sagittarius
IC 7°52 Sagittarius

Yeah talk about a LIlith-factor.
BTW our first meeting chart has (mean) Lilith (as pd uses it) on 4°46 Sagittarius and ASC on 9°01 Sag. lol

Anyway for that december performance in the composite of his pr and my n, there was quotidian ASC on 11°25 Virgo, exact conjunct his natal Mars-Jupiter-conjunction on 11 and 10 Virgo, and putting my Jupiter on 11 Pisces on the quotidian DESC.

THIS I found especially remarkable considering that

MY composite of my progressed and his natal last month had:

Jupiter 14°21 Gemini
IC 13°03 Gemini

So he was having Lilith on the IC, I was having Jupiter there, I guess we sort of experienced that show differently.

Interestingly Lilith and Neptune are equidistant from the MC, so while I wouldn`t consider them conjunct it (4-5 degrees), the Lilith/Neptune-midpoing of course falls onto the MC.

Also found it intriguing that my pr-composite has Jupiter on the IC, and HIS quotidian composite DESC falls onto my natal Jupiter.

It`s not quite as remarkable. but he has Liith on the IC, and MY quotidian DESC is on 25 Aquarius, not only on both our Psyches, but conjunct my mean (1) natural (2) and true (3) Lilith, with his natal true Lilith falling onto MY quotidian composite DESC. Of course this is a bit of mxiing up mean and true Lilith here, so it is a little lopsided I suppose.

BTW when doing the progressed composite for certain events, have you checked the midpoints? (I only use midpoints that include ASC and MC. If ASC o MC is part of the midpoint itself the orb seems to be 0°30, if ASC or MC are triggering midpoints the rob seems to be about 1°00 - for daily activation.
I also consider midpoints involving MOon, Sun, Mercury, Venus (without an angle), if the orb does not exceed 0°01, for finetuning the moment in time).

If you have done it what have you found?

posted January 22, 2016 09:08 PM            

We really have found an amazing new technique here.

I never look at midpoints but I just see that's easily done on PD with options enough.

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What a really beautiful Sun-Venus-theme!

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posted January 23, 2016 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Yes, but I first have to check whether those 2 conversed configurations are not just somehow a logical result of what's going on in the secondary progressed realm with his pSun sextile our nVenus/nVenus trine. It all breathes too much synchronicity in peak arrival. Don't want to fob myself off u know ;D

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Haha, I swear.. it must be the result (let's see)

I looked at Serge Gainsbourg and Jane Birkin, as I knew they had a syna Venus/Venus trine. Coincidentally they met when her pSun was by 4 deg applying sextile to her own natal Venus as wel as his'.

So ofcourse I took 4 years later when it was about exact (as ours now).

Look at this!;

Composite of his CP-chart with her Natal,
- Venus: 21'02 Sag
while..
- HER natal Sun: 21'52 Sag

(^ what a beautyyyyyyy / although not applying anymore here / they met ofcourse 4 years earlier)

BUT.. huh??

I don't even have to turn the charts to find a connection to HIS'..

Well okay, something different now as we simply stay with the same Composite as above (still his cp to her n);
- Sun: 24'58 Cap
while...
- his CP Venus: 24'14 Cap

(^ already separating also, like the one above)

Now I'm very curious... what to find if we turn charts now to Composite of HER cp and HIS n ;
- Venus: 21'19 Cap.
while..
well yea his CP Venus again here at 24'14 cap ofcourse, but not so aligned with the rest above.

Hm.. we still might wonder, really the result of the secondary realm?

Her natal Sun *
Her natal Venus
His CP Venus

His CP Venus *
Her natal Sun
His CP Sun

Ours;

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My CP Venus *
My natal Sun
His CP Sun

His natal Venus
His natal Sun *
My CP Venus

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So ^ It must be yes!!

Btw, this is an interesting case of Jane & Serge as they're one of the exceptions to the secondary progressed rule, you won't find the expected progressed aspects with them.

posted January 23, 2016 04:27 AM            

I noticed that his and my comp Suns are gathered around our composite Venus, one applying one separating. Just taking random note of this.

For today

composite Venus 16°01 Cap

his composite Sun 14°50 Cap
my composite Sun 17°22 Cap

(both aligned with composite Mercury as well: 15°28 and 17°12 Cap)

It is not a result of the pr composite to natal composite itself.
So I was checking for a composite or our own progressed charts with the natal chart, comparing it to the composite, and that seems to be the reason for our gathering of the synastric progressed composite Sun gathering around Venus.

his own comp with himself:
Sun 15°20 Cap

my own comp with mnyself:
Sun 16°41 Cap

posted January 23, 2016 06:16 AM            

That might be the higher purpose, however the way to there often leads through acknowledging and processing something that left/ leaves you so defenceless as if you had no skin, and often it feels painful (as we humans are not really equipped to that "soul nakedness" - but it is through that pain and experiencing of utmost vulnerability and an acknowledgement that some things just really hurt, for what reason ever, that a healing can begin.

Which is my experience with Chiron. He is - to me at least- paradox in that by acknowledging that that woundedness/ rawness is uncurable and cannot be undone, that actually THAT realization leads to the healing of it.-

But the quotidian angles are very quick. So the quotidian ASC is just in play for a day, it might be enough to lead your attention to that Chiron, but it is not part of a lengthy process (for that the secondary ASC is more equipped).
However IF you have a major progression involving Chiron, and your quotidian angle is touching it, that might be the day (or the 3 days - I like the 3 day frame) that it comes through to the surface of your awareness and then you can start dealing with whatever it is you have to deal.

Mercury-Uranus sounds positively crazy to me. Mental overstimulation maybe, unpredictability and alot leaping around in your mind, but also zany, original ideas, sometimes bizarre, insights, flashes, brilliance, but coming with a lot of stubbornness and "doing things your way or no way at all", and often people around will not even grasp or get what you are talking about, as you are operating on a very own mental wavelength.

Having it with another person, you might drive each other totally crazy. But I like the aspect, Mercury-and Uranus can work with each other. The electrical jolts might be a bit much, but there can be a lot of creativity with that one, and pushing each other to go new paths in terms of your thinking.

Interestingly when I started that post I did not realized, but then it flashed through me, that Mr Sag and me sort of have that, too. lol

his pUranus 24°59 Scorpio
my pMercury 25°02 Aquarius

This is a very long lasting progression for us, as my pMercury is SOOOOO slow, that is because he is preparing for its stationary period and turning retrograde, which of course also means, that if it does, it oONCE AGAIN will revisit all the squares to Mr SAg`s p and nUranus.

Let me see when it came into play (1° orb)

Okay, pMercury applying to square to his nUranus started in 2012.
Curiously it started with me having decided firmly to never see his face again.
A decision I stuck to for pretty much exactly 9 months, and when I DID see him again (of course did NOT expect him to make a double turn on stage and stare at me and certainly recognize me. lol)

anyway that afternoon/evening/Night not only my pMercury was squaring his nUranus (0°35 a), but my pVenus squared his nUranus as well (0°05 a).

When we first met his pVenus had been trine my pUranus exact, so the Uranus-progression had been built in from the start (also probably evident in the fact that I was having a First quarter Moon when we met, which was opposed/square my own Uranus - it seems to have been part of my lifescript in relation to him, that Uranus would play a role).

Anyway and since then the square between my pMercury and his n/p Uranus never left us. lol

Well last december the square became completely exact between my pMercury on 24°59 Aquarius and his pUranus on 24°59 Scorpio, and naturally we are in the aftermath of it now, and my pMercury, as slow as it is, will separate from his pUranus.

But it will not make it very far, it will station on 25°26 Aquarius and turn retrograde on 26th february 2018 at 10:05 p.m. (yes I traced it to the minute. lol)

At that time his pUranus will be on 25°03 scorpio, so as you can see, the square will never separate for even half a degree.

Interestingly enough on the moment my Mercury turns retrograde my Quotidian ASC is 25°16 Taurus, which of course puts HIS pUranus on my quotidian DESC with an orb of only 13 minutes.

Additionally my quotidian MC will be on 25°25 Cap, applying conjunct his natal Venus on 25°55 Cap.
(Venus, either his or mine, seems to be highlighted quite a lot in the quotidian "events")

Anyway and from that moment my pMercury will make the journey back again (of course it also means it will be sextile my nMercury on 25°03 Sagittarius for many years as well).

Until it will go out of orb (1 degree) to his n Uranus somewhen in 2024. lol

posted January 23, 2016 06:30 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Well Ceri, that screams amazingness again! And look at Lilith...

We really have found an amazing new technique here.

I never look at midpoints but I just see that's easily done on PD with options enough.

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Yes, and I love midpoints. Really make me laugh sometimes, when I read up interpretations (well some are a bit too gloomy for my taste, but some are so randomly fitting. lol)

Also makes sense to work with midpoints, cause that is what we are dealing with anyway when we use composites and composites with natals.

Actually a technique I`ve loved for many years, doing a composite of a natal and an event, which I considered as "my experience with the moment, or of the moment", but more in an event-oriented way probably, not simply how the moment effects me (that would be transits anyway), but how I am "situated" within that moment, possibly more telling about how I deal with it, what I do?
Not exactly sure on this, except that the results have always been outstanding.

Tje beauty of checking the composite of one`s progressed chart and the other natals chart for me is also that it represents the "experience with or due to the other person", it is closely related to the other person.
If we only check the quotidian for any given moment in time, it could be related to the person we have in mind, but could of course also be due to other things. I find both important, but the composite involving both personīs charts (either progressed or natal) is just more of a POINTER at the experience with that other person.

And for the quotidian (composite/ or just the individual charts), I do primarily check for:

1. planets situated on the angles (1-1,5 degree orb)
2. planets situated on the intermediate cusps (1 degree orb)
3. aspects applying within 1 degree within the chart (highlighting a development coming into play), especially if one of those planets is on an angle or housecusp.
4. quotidian angles overlaying natal planets (1 degree orb)
5. quotidian planets overlaying natal angles (not sure why but I noticed those, too).

And for the very specific experience I also include the midpoints including ASC or MC (only in the quotidian chart, I do not mix natal and quotidian, it would get all too muddled up), though I do think that most probably very exact overlays of quotidian angles to natal midpoints might indicate what becomes "forefront" for us.

EDIT
of course any planet or angle overlaying a natal planet or angle within only a couple of minutes will be important. Especially though if Sun, Moon or Venus are part of it.

posted January 23, 2016 07:03 AM            

When we first met
(naturally my quotidian converse DESC being conjunct his n Venus within one degree. lol)

my cp (comp) Venus 25°01 Sag
my n Mercury 25°03 Sag
my nSun 25°56 Sag
(so already separating).

for him

his cp(comp) Venus 28°22 Sag
his nMoon 28°37 Sag

(he was having a precise Sun-Venus-conjunction in the forward progressions of his pSun to his nVenus, though)

There was however an occasion 2 years before we first met, when I first saw him on an open air concert, and in fact he must have seen me, too, because he was running up the stairs right up to where I stood, looking at me and pointing a microphone at me (when I deceided to take a hectic step backwards and hide behind my friends. lol) - I even remember the song he was singing: "Feel" by Robbie Williams. lol

Anyway that day

my cp comp with him:
cp Venus 26°15 Sag
cp Moon 27°51 Sag

his nSun 26°57 Sag
his nMoon 28°37 Sag
my nSun 25°56 Sag

(I guess it must have started long before even I knew. lol)

his cp comp Venus at that time was 29°35 Sag, so applying to his n Moon (which it would come into orb at actual first meeting).

But for him this pointed to another timeframe.

Remember when Im entioned one of my "resurfaces" in his view in summer 2012, when he made that double turn on stage upon seeing me?

his comp conv Venus 25°44 Sagittarius
my n Sun 25°56 Sag

It must have been exact exactly between that look we exchanged on New Years eve before, my decision to never appear again and his writing that "song". lol

In fact at the first time I decided to "resurface" his comp cp Moon was applying to conjunct my n Sun.
And then when I again after a time fo disappearance survade. his comp cp Venus had picked up and conjunct my nSun.

posted January 23, 2016 07:32 AM            

Saturn owns my chart so this "working-field" would be probably big. CP Chiron doesn't make any notable aspects within the p chart but I've noticed it's 3 minutes away from my nSaturn in an opposition (I have a wider one in the natal). Should I be scared? Praying to the exact Moon-PoF conjunction to protect me lol.

posted January 23, 2016 07:50 AM            

yes, the Saturn will re-shape or finetune your whole personality then.

And the fact that n Saturn opposes cp Chiron, and so those two aspects merge somehow points to me to the fact that you will have to address the Chiron-theme, too. But of course as slow Chiron is even THAT progression will end evenutally. Or at least get out of the "hot zone" (which according to Bernadette Brady is 12 minutes applying and 12 minutes separating, though we can of course feel the effects before and after, too, just not at that "peak phase", probably it is after the peak phase that we actually start integrating the "new". You know like the baby is being born at around 12 minutes applying-separating, and after that you bring him/ her own and have to integrate him/ her into your life and live with what`s being born. )

The moment of insight and awareness being followed (afte rmaybe a shock-second) by dealing with it, the subsequent actions and so on.

Just musing here of course.

But I noticed that the actual exact peak phase of an aspect (esp. a challenging one or dynamic) coincides with a feeling of "standstill", like drawing in one`s breath, the world standing still for a moment as the lightening hits, and then after a while the breathing starts again, the world starts turning again and that is the time that I usually process, incorporate the experiences and make something of them.

Anyway no, Chiron-Saturn, does not sound too joyful,b ut you can learn a lot I guess. might feel a little exhausting at times, at Chiron might (gently - he is a gentle one after all) crack open the Saturnian shell, and Saturn might be shocked and defensive at first, having to acknowledge what he fears most - being vulnerable- but there is really no way around it, and afterwards you probably will realized that it is not even that awful or horrible.

It`s the moment before the dive into the water that is the scariest.

Also let`s not forget that Chiron is a teacher, so there might be some sort of teaching happening in your life, or guidance; It will not be purely intellectual though, Chiron is very concerned with the body and how we feel as physical beings, so I guess some aspect will cover that as well. All in all it sounds very earthy and attached to the senses.

posted January 23, 2016 08:14 AM            

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PHASE 136 (LEO 16°): THE STORM ENDED, ALL NATURE REJOICES IN BRILLIANT SUNSHINE.

KEYNOTE: The surge of life and love after a major crisis.

The symbol speaks clearly for itself. How brilliant the light after the long "night of the soul"! The battered but unconquered consciousness finds itself exalted in the marriage of sunbeams and rising sap. This indeed is "Release" — light and life singing in the cleansed and refreshed mind, flooded for a while by the waters of feeling.

This is the first stage in the twenty-eighth five-fold sequence. It is a sequence that reveals consciousness at its most inspiring moments of enjoyment. But these "peak experiences" can operate at several levels. The first and most basic level is that of life itself, and of the overcoming of its many crises — THE JOY AND POWER OF NEW BEGINNINGS.

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Speaking of love, it will happen on Valentine's Day