posted January 17, 2005 09:28 AM            

And I checked our charts today and.... BINGO!!!

My Venus is square his Mars... (Linda analyses square and opposition the same way...).

The sexual electricity was always in the air, the atmosphere was always highly charged... Very exciting... Especially because we worked together and we had to hide it during office hours... I often thought sexual chemistry was one of the (or the one) thing that kept us together...

We were clashing all the time... We had different priorities in life and clearly I wasn´t one of his... I was constantly overreacting, always making scenes in public places, pouring sour tears... He was so unconsiderate in my eyes... And yes, there was jealousy involved... I trusted him with my life, I knew he wouldn´t be unfaithful... But I couldn´t stand the way he flirted with any pretty girl around... It was utter and complete disregard for my feelings... And then his ex interfering all the time...

Hurtful words? Loads... If he wasn´t considerate with my feelings, he´ll get something back... Sometimes I just tried to make him understand my point but I only ended up hurting him...

He would say I was possessive and trying to control him all the time, but he didn´t understand my scenes were due to my hurt pride and feelings, because he made me feel insignificant and small, not because of distrust... He was also annoyed because he would say I was taking things out of context or taking unintentional hurt so seriously...

I didn´t recognise myself... I´ve never overreacted (My Venus) in such a way, never made scenes before... Nobody hurt me in such a way, with that utter disrespect and inconsideration (His Mars)...

He gave up and so I did after months of trying against his will. It was definitely a soul test, I always considered that way... I never felt he was someone from the past, he was a new experience... I didn´t feel I knew him... Curiously Pluto and Venus were not aspecting each other... But I do believe he showed me another side of relationships, I learnt a valuable lesson that I believe it will be of good use when I meet my Twin...

I do believe it was a Soul Test... Before reading that passage from Relationship Signs I did consider our encounter as something fated...

posted January 17, 2005 06:35 PM              

The main reason my mother entered this relationship was due to the excitement and as you say, the highly charged atmosphere.

Your situation is very similar...

...and your welcome...glad you have came to such a significant realisation...

posted October 01, 2005 12:39 PM            

I read that With venus conj pluto in synastry it is the venus person who is most enthralled and even obsessed with pluto. Venus is consumed with the attraction. Ultimately, it is the pluto person who has the upper hand in terms of whether the relationship is to endure. Do you agree? does any one else have a comment?

posted October 02, 2005 09:15 AM            

A Venus-Pluto connection is not the only aspect that can identify Twin Souls… There are many… Yes, connections to Saturn are also indicators… And the nodes…It’s the whole picture what matters…

I’d say a close conjunction between Suns is not necessarily a sign for it… That would indicate a common basic personality… Connections Sun-Moon are more significant. Specially when aspects seem to be intertwined e.g. One person’s Sun trines the other’s Moon and viceversa…

Sometimes the connection with someone is powerful but not easy… It could be a soul test. Those people could be soul mates but have something to overcome or a big karmic debt. Sometimes Twins are nor meant to be reunited yet… Sometimes there are karmic bonds but they are not Twin Selfs but Soul Mates… Do you know the differences between those two terms, Skystar? You can also use Magi Astrology to see how two people will evolve as a couple…

The Moon gives a lot of clues about past lives and emotions. Saturn about karma. Pluto about death and rebirth i.e. reincarnation. The Nodes about the life path. Venus about love. Put them all together and you’ll get the basic atmosphere of the past-present-future of a relationship…

Good luck!

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Stargazer!

Did you get to read my last posts about “Virgo discontent”?

Regarding the Venus-Pluto connection, I don’t know what to say… In this thread I talked about a guy I have a Venus-Pluto conjunction with… It’s 4º apart but it’s still close enough to be powerful… There was a karmic bond, yes. And we were enthralled, yes.

He was the Venus person. I was the Pluto one. He actually was obsessed with me for years, completelly knocked down. I appeared to have more power, to control the situation and even make it change… But then one day he decided to break the tie. He ran as fast as he could and there were nothing I could do. It has been years I haven’t known anything from him or seen him. It could be over for the rest of our lives and nothing actually happened… He decided and I was left to accept it. I think he was sacred to death of the influence I had over him, of the power I had over his heart.

I was love sick for years but I’m fine now. He is superseded. However, I don’t know what to think of that theory… Maybe it’s true after all because it’s over for me while he may still be enthralled in the distance…

Just guessing… The Sun-Venus conjunction reinforces it. You tend to share naturally and have common goals.

posted October 02, 2005 11:54 AM            

Hi! I will go over to Virgo discontent and reply over there too. I know when i sometimes can't be online for awhile, a thread goes to page 2... Well you know. Sorry!

Anywho- Okay, I've had this venus/pluto thing with 4 different people. This includes my current relationship... the one before him though was different. My venus conj his pluto '1.- my sun conj his venus '1. My mars conj, his sun '1. My sun and my venus are in his 1st house.

So i guess with me being the venus person- i think i was more outwardly enthralled. He most definately wielded all the power...

****"It could be over for the rest of our lives and nothing actually happened."****

posted October 02, 2005 12:17 PM            

I was the Pluto person AND I have a Saggie Moon… I wonder how he feels about me…

Well, yes, if you are the Venus person, as Pluto moves so slowly, you are likely to have that connection with many people of his generation… I suppose it’s all the other connections what actually make a difference. With this guy I had tons of trines and sextiles… virtually no hard aspects.

posted October 02, 2005 12:24 PM              

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

posted October 02, 2005 01:23 PM            

I guess i am just trying to embrace it... I feel that man is a soul mate.....We have crossed paths a couple of times... I feel entangled in a web mostly. the more i fight it.. the more entangled i become...
I too have never felt for anyone as i do him... Being a virgo, it takes quite a while for me to fall in love... not him though, hook, line and sinker right from the start..... There is something special... and it is mostly unspoken... we just know... Timing is always bad...Dang Karma!!!! We will complete each other one day ... i know it... This type of certainty comes but once in a lifetime....

posted October 02, 2005 07:41 PM              

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

posted October 13, 2005 11:58 PM              

ooh ahhh oooh
it was in the way u grabbed my waste
looked into my face and told me i was only yours

already knew that i had fell for you

givin myself to u

i kinda want a little more

see i dont what u did

but i like it

and how it is

i dont know if its right
i dont care if its wrong
i dont know if its love
but i cant get enough

oooh ahhh oooh(ur just what i need tonite)
oooh ahhh oooh(ur just what i need tonite)

i always want to be alone with u
no matter what we do
its sumthin that im gonna love
even when i am on the phone with you i pretend im holdin you
im feenin for you more and more
see now i know what you did
gentle kiss with your lips
now i know how i feel
what im feelin is real
i just need you to know that you makin me go

oooh ahhh ooh(ur just what i need tonite)
oooh ahhh ooh(ur just what i need tonite)

boy u got me just where i been dreamin feenin for ur lovin
i have never met no one to take me and make me feel like u do

oooh ahhh ooh(ur just what i need tonite)
oooh ahhh ooh(ur just what i need tonite
oooh ahh ohh(ur just what i need tonite)
oooh ahhh ooh(ur just what i need tonite)
boy u got me just where i been dreamin feenin for ur lovin
i have never met no one to take me and make me feel like u do

oooh ahhh ooh(ur just what i need tonite)
oooh ahhh ooh(ur just what i need tonite)
oooh ahhh ooh(ur just what i need tonite)
oooh ahhh ooh(ur just what i need tonite

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Gemini sun, Cancer rising, mercury in Gemini, moon in Taurus *29, venus in Taurus, mars in Libra

posted October 14, 2005 09:11 AM              

Oh My GOD!!! That's me and my Aqua to a tee! My Venus squares his Mars and vice versa - a double whammy!! However my Pluto trines his Venus and his Pluto sextiles my Venus so I think that takes the edge of things slightly.

I've worried periodically that his ex will win him back as she was always contacting him when we got together and they seemed to have such an intense relationship. But they had a Venus trine Pluto one way and a square the other so I don't know what this means to the situation??

I'll post our charts and would be so grateful for any thoughts

Him

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Aquarius 01°57'30 11 direct
Moon Aquarius 10°28'16 11 direct
Mercury Capricorn 22°21'16 10 direct
Venus Aquarius 08°19'47 11 retrograde
Mars Aquarius 23°47'38 12 direct
Jupiter Gemini 22°11'34 03 retrograde
Saturn Pisces 14°21'44 12 direct
Uranus Virgo 19°16'22 06 retrograde
Neptune Scorpio 21°54'30 07 direct
Pluto Virgo 18°11'49 06 retrograde
True Node Gemini 02°55'05 02 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Aries 20°58'35
2nd House Gemini 00°05'25
3rd House Gemini 20°42'37
Imum Coeli Cancer 07°36'01
5th House Cancer 26°00'10
6th House Leo 23°07'53
Descendant Libra 20°58'35
8th House Sagittarius 00°05'25
9th House Sagittarius 20°42'37
Medium Coeli Capricorn 07°36'01
11th House Capricorn 26°00'10
12th House Aquarius 23°07'53

Me

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Libra 11°33'36 04 direct
Moon Capricorn 17°04'28 06 direct
Mercury Scorpio 02°56'06 04/5 direct
Mercury is technically near the end of house 4 and is interpreted in house 5.
Venus Scorpio 24°59'57 05 direct
Mars Taurus 07°37'09 11 retrograde
Jupiter Aquarius 02°21'25 07 direct
Saturn Cancer 04°36'51 12 direct
Uranus Libra 22°40'51 04 direct
Neptune Sagittarius 05°18'32 05 direct
Pluto Libra 04°34'06 04 direct
True Node Capricorn 02°19'47 06 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Cancer 23°00'30
2nd House Leo 09°01'44
3rd House Leo 28°32'46
Imum Coeli Virgo 25°12'59
5th House Scorpio 03°11'15
6th House Sagittarius 17°43'19
Descendant Capricorn 23°00'30
8th House Aquarius 09°01'44
9th House Aquarius 28°32'46
Medium Coeli Pisces 25°12'59
11th House Taurus 03°11'15
12th House Gemini 17°43'19

posted August 11, 2006 09:33 PM              

The 'friend' with whom I'm in love and I have so many cross connects in our charts its unbelievable. Now would it be fair for me to assume that with several 'double mutualities' we've got something majorly karmic going on, even if not all of the aspects fall within 1-2 degrees? For example (and these are just a few of the connections):

Sun conj Ascendant
Moon opp Moon
Moon trine Venus
Moon trine Mercury
Mercury sextile Saturn
Mercury opp Mars
Mercury trine Venus
Venus conj Mars (his venus my mars)
Venus trine Mars (my venus his mars)
Venus sextile Neptune
Venus conj Chiron
Venus conj Saturn
Venus conj Pluto & Pluto opp Venus
Mars opp Mercury
Mars conj Venus
Mars trine Venus
Chiron conj Neptune
Chiron square Mercury
Chiron conj Saturn

Believe it or not, there are actually several others--many of them double mutualities. At any rate...even if not all of those connects are technically aspects (that is, not all of them are within 1-2 degrees) is it just me, or isn't that still a whole boat load of cosmic/karmic connection there??

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We have more possibilities available in each moment than we realize.

posted December 18, 2008 07:43 PM              

I was in a relationship where their Venus was at 23Vi21.

At first it was a really good and intense relationship. Wasn't too long before she opened the relationship and eventually seemed like there was no passion in her for me. It ended in a pretty extreme hateful situation. Is this characteristic of the above?

posted December 19, 2009 02:34 AM            

I have read that there are a few indicators of Twin Souls.

1. Of course, is this one (Venus / Pluto) I have this with a woman, although it is with a 14.44 degree orb. I know, I know, everyone says that it doesn't count unless it is below 10 degrees. I have a theory about that based on experience. I think that the greater the degree is, the more subtle the affect is, but the greater a person's awareness is, the faster they will recognize it. I can tell you that the effects of this contact are felt with certainty.

We also have Venus square Pluto at 12.88 degrees. It's true, there is some friction, but each time we work through it we become even closer, which illuminates the karmic and spiritual ties between us. I think it is fascinating.

2. Another indicator of Twin Flames or Soul Mates I have read is a Saturn / Neptune opposition. We have this at a 14.17 degree orb. Again, I realize the the orb is wide, but I can confirm, through experience, that the contact is felt. I will also add that I knew this woman for two years before I realized any of this intensity. I believe another factor in the energetic recognition of the synastry is sincerity. One needs to be true to themselves and others for these contacts to be readily noticed and understood. The more sincere and honest two people become, the easier it is to notice the more subtle wider orbs.

3. The third indicator of true Twin Flames is said to be the Eros / Psyche conjunction. We also have this at 4.95 degree orb. Obviously, this is the tightest orb, but I believe that the all illuminate the reality of our essential divine oneness. We also have a double whammy with an Eros / psyche trine at 5.02 degrees. I believe it was the Eros / Psyche contacts that initially got my attention and caused the synchronicity and telepathy that has blown my mind. I honestly can never view reality or the scheme of thing in the same way ever again. One cannot experience this and not consider a higher power or deeper, more profound levels of nature. There is definitely more to life than one can see with two eyes. Spiritual awareness is needed in order to really understand the underlying meaning of it all.