posted March 18, 2016 08:15 PM            

Lunar Return for falling in love with my husband has Uranus right on the Aqua DSC (0.38° orb.)

LR DSC 9.52 Aqua
My pr sun when I married him 9.24 Aqua

LR for when I married him...

IC 16 Pisces conjunct moon, with sun, Mercury and Jupiter in the 4H. Venus conjunct Saturn in the 5H, with 1 Taurus Saturn square my natal Saturn.

LR NN @ 21 Leo square my nodes.

posted March 18, 2016 08:26 PM            

My LR DESC: Libra 2°00
My LR Juno: Libra 2°07
My LR Venus: Virgo 28°03
My pr. Moon: Aries 2°23
My pr. Mercury: Libra 0°52
My pr. Mars: Gemini 29°01
My n. Venus: Libra 0°17
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His LR Mars: Virgo 24°22
His pr. Sun: Virgo 29°51
His pr. Jupiter: Libra 0°58
His pr. Vertex: Libra 3°03
His n. DESC: Libra 1°32
His n. Mars: Libra 4°38
His n. Mercury: Virgo 27°15
His n. Jupiter: Virgo 26°11
His Moon: Capricorn 0°51

My LR Sun: Scorpio 11°45
My LR Saturn: Scorpio 13°11
My LR Neptune: Aquarius 12°48
My n. Sun: Leo 14°29
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His LR Neptune: Aquarius 13'07
His LR Saturn: Scorpio 15°02
His n. NN: Scorpio 11°41
His n. Venus: Leo 10°04
His n. Chiron: Leo 8°57

My LR MC: Sagittarius 21°49
My LR Pluto: Sagittarius 19°53
His LR Uranus: Uranus 22°48
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His LR Pluto: Sagittarius 20°22
His LR Mars: Virgo 24°22
His LR Uranus: Pisces 22°32
His n. Uranus: Sagittarius 24°27
His n. Neptune: Sagittarius 24°36
His n. MC: Sagittarius 19°04

My LR Mars: Virgo 15°10
My LR Vertex: Virgo 17°23
My pr. Vertex: Sagittarius 17°52
My n. Mars: Gemini 15°57
My Moon: Gemini 14°15
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His n. Vertex: Virgo 16°41
His n. MC: Sag 19°04

My LR NN: Virgo 4°20
My pr. Sun: Virgo 5°13
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His LR NN: Virgo 2°34
His LR Vertex: Gemini 5°04
His pr. Venus: Virgo 7°27
His pr. Juno: Virgo 8°20
His n. Sun: Virgo 7°55

His LR ASC: Libra 23°36
His pr. Moon: Libra 21°15
His pr. Mercury: Libra 24°29
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My pr. NN: Libra 21°45
My n. NN: Libra 23°47

His LR Venus: Libra 16°32
His pr. Mars: Libra 19°50
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My pr. Venus: Libra 16°58
My pr. Jupiter: Libra 19°37
My n. Jupiter: Libra 16°00
My n. ASC/DESC: Cancer/Capricorn 16°25

My LR. Jupiter: Leo 26°38
My n. Vertex: Scorpio 28°01
My n. Mercury: Virgo 1°00
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His LR Sun: Scorpio 27°44
His LR Jupiter: Leo 28°10
His LR NN: Virgo 2°34
His n. Juno: Leo 29°36

His LR Juno: Libra 7°05
His n. Mars: Libra 4°38
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My n. IC: Libra 8°33
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Using my resident country as ref. place:

posted March 18, 2016 08:31 PM            

I used my location at the time of the Lunar Return as the reference place.

My Lunar Return
Natal Uranus conjunct LR Ascendant - exact degree and minute
Natal Sun opposite LR Saturn - orb under 1 degree
A's Jupiter square LR Mercury - orb of 22 minutes
A's Nodes square LR Neptune - orb of 41 minutes

LR Midpoint Aspects involving LR Mercury
Mercury conjunct Sun/Moon MP - orb of 1 minute
Mercury conjunct Moon/Jupiter MP - orb of 18 minutes
Mercury opposite Pluto/Ascendant MP - orb of 9 minutes
Venus conjunct Moon/Mercury MP - orb of 1 minute
Uranus conjunct Mercury/Ascendant MP - orb of 11 minutes
North Node square Mercury/Jupiter MP - orb of 16 minutes

LR Midpoint Aspects involving LR Neptune
Neptune opposite Moon/Saturn MP - orb of 24 minutes
Neptune opposite Mercury/Mars MP - orb of 18 minutes
Midheaven square Neptune/Pluto MP - orb of 24 minutes

Sun/Moon MP in Cancer
Moon/Mercury MP in Cancer
Moon/Jupiter MP in Cancer
Moon/Saturn MP in Virgo
Mercury/Mars MP in Virgo
Mercury/Jupiter MP in Cancer
Mercury/Ascendant MP in Aries
Neptune/Pluto MP in Aquarius
Pluto/Ascendant MP in Capricorn

LR Midpoints with his Natal Chart
His Sun conjunct LR Mercury/North Node MP - orb of 29 minutes
His Sun conjunct LR Moon/Midheaven MP - orb of 27 minutes
His Mercury conjunct LR Saturn/Juno MP - orb of 45 minutes
His Venus conjunct LR Venus/Vertex MP - orb of 5 minutes
His Juno conjunct LR Venus/Saturn MP - orb of 23 minutes

Moon/Midheaven MP in Virgo
Mercury/North Node MP in Virgo
Venus/Saturn MP in Virgo
Venus/Vertex MP in Leo
Saturn/Juno MP in Virgo

His Sun conjuncts my Natal Jupiter - orb of 6 minutes. So my Natal Jupiter also aspects my LR Mercury/North Node and Moon/Midheaven MPs for that month.

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posted March 19, 2016 01:21 AM            

Wow it's so funny you asked me to read your lunar return chart for February because I do see something being played out here as far your emotional state in February.

The LR ascendant is in gemini at 13 degrees which overlays your natal 7th house of partnerships. This tells me that you were actively seeking communication, travel, reaching out to someone in the 7th house arena lets just say. Basically you had a similar lunar return as myself. I see your emotional focus was in the attitude of gemini but also libra because your 7th house reflects the lunar return ascendant. However I do see the Your natal DESC in the LR 12th house conjunct the ASC. Don't know what this can mean but possibly reflecting on relationships and friendships of some kind? Possibly wanting to rebuild old ones from the past?

Let me check the ruler to get more info how this possibly impacted you in February. LR Mercury in the 9th house in capricorn conjunct your natal anti Vertex in the 2nd house and also LR venus aspecting your anti vertex and saturn in the 8th. LR pluto was also making aspect to your saturn. I feel from looking at this you probably expetienced or was in need of transformation or possibly you already went through an intense emotional transformation with someone because LR pluto is aspecting your natal 8th house saturn so there maybe some barriers or walls you put up that forced you to bring those down. I Had an ex girlfriend with an 8th house saturn and it defently was not easy for her considering it was in Pisces. LR venus in the 9th house conjunct your natal anti vertex there was probably something predestined to happen in your mind was there? Already kind of saw yourself coming to you emotionally explore love anything 9th house related??

posted March 19, 2016 06:13 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

Do you have their marriage chart? I guess not but... would be interesting anyway.

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posted March 19, 2016 12:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thank you, Angel,
yes february was definitely an interesting month. Not sure about love. Well I have mentioned on here that Mr Sag was acting weirdly around me when I was on his concert, (like watching me through the windows of a cafe I was inw ith some friends, join us in the waiting line for a chat, and actually even while chatting to others being angled to just me. to just being around me during the concert-break most of the time, sometimes it feels like he is following me around, I swear, and not the other way round. But who knows why he is doing that? Probably not a reason at all. I mean he is married and expecting his second child and in love with his wife, so I just donīt know.)
But for myself well, I had changed my clothing style and hairstyle quite a bit and was probably looking quite different and also behaving a little different.

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Ahhhhh that makes sense to me!! Was there direct commincation between the two of you? Sounds very hidden the way you teo communicated
That could explain your natal descendent falling into your LR 12th house. also the fact you were at his concert really speaks to more to me now. since your gemini rising is bubbly and popular with the crowd I can see it. Did you feel more relaxed though? I ask because LR Pluto was aspecting your natal saturn in the 8th.

How old are you by the way? Are you a 90s child?

posted March 19, 2016 01:47 PM            

"Ahhhhh that makes sense to me!! Was there direct commincation between the two of you?"
Nah not really. So some of our indirect communication starts feeling very direct.

Well, when he was appearing on the top of the stairs, he was of course informing all of the people waiting there that he actually considered cancelling the concert but had reconsidered just now (joking I hope) because he had such a bad cold (he had) and also had strained his wrist while playing Judas. And I guess he had hoped for more pity than he really received. lol
Well as I said he informed all of the ones waiting there but somehow managed to only look at me, which for some reason reminded me of that short incident on his facebook concerning his Judas-performance. lol Coincidence I guess.
He also was pretty determined to keep standing just the step above me and directly before me (and others had to get out of the way for him being able to do that), and while we did not directly talk with each other, we talked to a third person, it was really a little weird. I mean how can you be able to NOT communicate directly with someone who is standing so close they are almost touching you?
He also apparently likes to sing to me when on stage, and in this club stage means just about 3 metres away or so. lol and very low. In this instance one of these moments was during his performance of "VAlerie", the bit about the ginger hair (funny coincidence I had just dyed my hair ginger, and he probably noticed that, too. He was staring at it long enough at least) directly followed by the bit about coming over to him and stop making a fool out of him, accompanied with a pretty order-like gesture of his hand. Of course this was not direct communication. But it was so indirectly direct that I really lost it and couldn`t help the laughing fit, just like he couldn`t help grinning about that. Not a direct communication, no. But no way to misread that. lol
It`s just joking around though, and we have a bit of a similiar way of thinking and humour I guess.

"since your gemini rising is bubbly and popular with the crowd I can see it."
Yes, I was with a crowd there.
Which was a new thing too. Actually I went there with two women I met on HIS gathering in august, and we met two others there and got into vivid chat with some more there, and while until then I always maanged to somehow keep in the background or at the sideline, I was once again sort of ending up in the centre of attention. This happened on his gathering, too.
Which is definitely a change in my attitude or apeparance or however you want to call it.
In fact it was almost hilarious, but when he was standing that step above me, people were forming a semicircle around us, not just him, but him and me. Well I would have taken a step back, but there were people so I couldnīt. Just lately I seem to coincidentally end up in the centre all the time. Not just on that occasion though.

" Did you feel more relaxed though? I ask because LR Pluto was aspecting your natal saturn in the 8th."
Surprisingly, yes. I did feel, well relaxed in a way, but also... composed, strong, balanced and powerful. Not sure this is the right word though. maybe empowerd?
Which is weird considering the Tr Pluto was just having its first exact hit of my n Saturn, and my n Saturn is an overly anxious defensive and fearful one.
I didnīt feel bubbly too much, but quite aware of myself and confident. So yeah, relaxed. I guess.

"How old are you by the way? Are you a 90s child?"
Aww that is sweet. No I am an old hag, born 1974.

BTW nt sure you are interested but I post his lunar return and his natal here, too, for the concert (Uranus on the DESC is probably me, cause Uranus is ALWAYS me, if it is not Lilith. )

(funny enough my DNA is on 20 Libra, and my Draco Sun on 16 Aries)

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posted March 19, 2016 04:12 PM            

LOL!!! Omg he sounds like such a rock star HAHAHAH!! Lol....!!!

"Ahhhhh that makes sense to me!! Was there direct commincation between the two of you?"
Nah not really. So some of our indirect communication starts feeling very direct." Yessssss makes sense for your natal descendent falling into your LR 12th house conjunct the ascendant in gemini ha ha ha.

" third person, it was really a little weird. I mean how can you be able to NOT communicate directly with someone who is standing so close they are almost touching you?" Well his natal 3rd house of commincations is activating your LR ASCENDANT/12th house in gemini and we mustn't forget your natal descendent/6th house. So he is contributing his own way of communicating to you through your emotional state from the 12th house view.

Editing. Im going to add more.

posted March 20, 2016 07:39 AM            

that is very interesting. I can`t wait to read more. Though already very fitting.
Well, I also noticed that HIS Lunar Return falls into his natal intercepted 7th house.

Anyway can you walk me through your analysis process?
So you check predominantly the LR ASC and its ruler?

Also weirdly I just noticed when posting his Lunar Return how his LR Sun is conjunct my n Moon. Interesting. And of course this was on the Saturn/Uranus-mp as Saturn was trine Uranus and both sextile Sun. Sort of makes sense, I mean of course that brings in some tension between old and new, but it just makes sense I guess.
Interestingly Saturn also was conjunct our composite Mercury-Neptune-Sappho-conjunction (15-17 sag) while Uranus opposing c-Pluto on 15 LIbra and square c-Venus on 16 Cap.

posted March 20, 2016 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,

yes I am. But to be honest I can`t do anything with very long list at the moment. Can you prioritize?

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posted March 20, 2016 07:56 AM            

and if you list aspects, conjunctions/oppositions and those that make a symmetrical picture, resulting in midpoint-pictures.
Also interested in ASC, ruler of ASC, DESC, ruler of DESC mostly, conjunctions to the vertex-axis, Sun and Moon, and focal planets (for example at the apex of a Yod).

I think Angel did a superb job with just the most crucial information. Even if we just take the ASC into account, we already have so much information it seems. Definitely LR ASC as it relates to the natal, which houses it overlays, what it conjuncts/opposes at tight orb.
The tightest conjunctions, oppositions, squares to the other person planets.

posted March 20, 2016 08:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes most important events - turning points is good.

and if you list aspects, conjunctions/oppositions and those that make a symmetrical picture, resulting in midpoint-pictures.
Also interested in ASC, ruler of ASC, DESC, ruler of DESC mostly, conjunctions to the vertex-axis, Sun and Moon, and focal planets (for example at the apex of a Yod).

I think Angel did a superb job with just the most crucial information. Even if we just take the ASC into account, we already have so much information it seems. Definitely LR ASC as it relates to the natal, which houses it overlays, what it conjuncts/opposes at tight orb.
The tightest conjunctions, oppositions, squares to the other person planets.

Damn it, I guess it is already too much

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Ceri, I don't mean to be a pain in the @@@, but I tend to ask for clarifications because my English is not so perfect, plus I am still learning astrology. :/
So, firstly
midpoint pictures : How we find LR's midpoints? I mean in astro.com there is no such option I think. I also think that we could find midpoints, if we cast the date and time of the LR as an event chart and then find the midpoints from pullen/astrolog option grid?
If there is an easier way that I don't know, please tell me, otherwise I'll try the above.

Secondly, "Definitely LR ASC as it relates to the natal, which houses it overlays, what it conjuncts/opposes at tight orb. "

So, we actually make a comparison to our own natal, not only to the "partner's" natal! I was going to ask you that, too, because I found that in important LR's there were connections to both natals!

Thanks again very much, I'm actually trying to find the "turning point"'s LR now!

ETA : "Damn it, I guess it is already too much "

posted March 20, 2016 08:06 AM            

my natal chart is in the outer circle.

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So you can see

his lr DESC conjunct my nMars-ASC
(his pASC is on 4 Gemini, too)

his lr Mercury-DESC square my nUranus
(and conj. c-ASC)

his lr Sun-Pluto opposite my nSaturn
(and conjunct c-Venus)

his lr Venus-Saturn conjunct my nNN-Neptune and square chartruler Jupiter

posted March 20, 2016 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I just noticed yesterday, that his Lunar Return for january was sort of quite strongly interconnected with my natal chart.

my natal chart is in the outer circle.

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So you can see

his lr DESC conjunct my nMars-ASC
(his pASC is on 4 Gemini, too)

his lr Mercury-DESC square my nUranus
(and conj. c-ASC)

his lr Sun-Pluto opposite my nSaturn
(and conjunct c-Venus)

his lr Venus-Saturn conjunct my nNN-Neptune and square chartruler Jupiter

his lr Mars conjunct my nUranus

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posted March 20, 2016 08:13 AM            

"midpoint pictures : "
Go to astro.com. Make a lunar return chart but choose EBERTIN as wheel style, then click on additional tables, if you scroll down, you see a list of aspects to the midpoints.

Focus on those that are conjunct, or opposite within about 1°, and maybe even those where the planets are in aspect anyway.

For example in a Yod of

Uranus 18 Aries
Venus 18 Aquarius
Jupiter 18 Virgo
(yes it happened, i think his current lunar return has this. lol)

the direct midpoint-axis of Venus/Uranus is 18 Pisces-Virgo, hence Jupiter is opposite Venus/Uranus - this might be more important than just any midpoint that does not coincide with an aspect figure (though they are not invalid or unimportant either, just not THAT much in the spotlight maybe)

"So, we actually make a comparison to our own natal, not only to the person's involved natal! I was going to ask you that, too, because I found that in important LR's there were connections to both natals!"
Yes I conveniently omitted to mention this, because it is already so much. lol
But probably this would be the second step after taking in the lunar return gestalt, to see how it overlays our natal, what it affects in there, like Angel did with my lunar Return.

posted March 20, 2016 08:16 AM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

Yes, these were major connections!!!
Was it in January that it was the first concert meeting or I remember it wrong?

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No our first meeting is years ago.

Not much happened, just he surprised me that month (his Lr Mars on my nUranus? Or did I surprise him?)

Well I had left a comment on some pictures he posted of himself in a new performance. A comment I thought was completely innocent and harmless and normal, but he responded by posting some virtual kisses at me. Well it is really nothing big, but it was an unexpected thing and it was kinda cute.

posted March 20, 2016 08:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,

"midpoint pictures : "
Go to astro.com. Make a lunar return chart but choose EBERTIN as wheel style, then click on additional tables, if you scroll down, you see a list of aspects to the midpoints.

Focus on those that are conjunct, or opposite within about 1°, and maybe even those where the planets are in aspect anyway.

For example in a Yod of

Uranus 18 Aries
Venus 18 Aquarius
Jupiter 18 Virgo
(yes it happened, i think his current lunar return has this. lol)

the direct midpoint-axis of Venus/Uranus is 18 Pisces-Virgo, hence Jupiter is opposite Venus/Uranus - this might be more important than just any midpoint that does not coincide with an aspect figure (though they are not invalid or unimportant either, just not THAT much in the spotlight maybe)

"So, we actually make a comparison to our own natal, not only to the person's involved natal! I was going to ask you that, too, because I found that in important LR's there were connections to both natals!"
Yes I conveniently omitted to mention this, because it is already so much. lol
But probably this would be the second step after taking in the lunar return gestalt, to see how it overlays our natal, what it affects in there, like Angel did with my lunar Return.

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So, just for summarizing and personal reference lol, we post the LR :
1) We look into the LR itself, major aspects involving sun, moon, nodes, venus, vertex plus patterns/configurations, grand trines, yods, etc.
2) Comparison between partner's natal to LR, which planets of his natal triggers what in the LR
3) Midpoint picture of the LR : which midpoints in the LR are triggered by any of the above connections
4) After that, we look for connections to our natals

Ok, that's a lot of work, so I'd better start now lol

posted March 20, 2016 08:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No our first meeting is years ago.

Not much happened, just he surprised me that month (his Lr Mars on my nUranus? Or did I surprise him?)

Well I had left a comment on some pictures he posted of himself in a new performance. A comment I thought was completely innocent and harmless and normal, but he responded by posting some virtual kisses at me. Well it is really nothing big, but it was an unexpected thing and it was kinda cute.

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No, I didn't mean first first meeting lol!
I meant first concert meeting for 2016 or for some months now? That's how I remembered it lol, perhaps it was on February..
So, it was not the concert, but the online communication...then I think Uranus perfectly describes that, don't you think? lol