posted March 18, 2016 08:25 AM            

Of course Lunar Returns are very temporary, BUT they are specific in that they relate to one particular month.

My Question is:
How did your lunar Return look like when you experienced major things with someone else? How did their chart trigger your lunar return? Does it match the experience?

My set would be:

° conjunctions, oppositions and squares within the lunar return itself within 2-3 degrees (plus major aspectconfigurations like Yod or Kite or T-square)

° special consideration of the Moon and planets on the angles or conjunct Sun, Moon, NN or Vertex

But where it becomes relationship-relevant:

° conjunctions, oppositions, squares within 2 degrees to the other person natal (or possibly progressed chart)

° midpoints (conjunction, opposition, square within 1° orb) to the triggered planets in the Lunar Return

(if you pick Ebertin wheel style, astro.com calculates the midpoints for you).

posted March 18, 2016 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Please help me satisfy my curiosity.

Of course Lunar Returns are very temporary, BUT they are specific in that they relate to one particular month.

My Question is:
How did your lunar Return look like when you experienced major things with someone else? How did their chart trigger your lunar return? Does it match the experience?

My set would be:

° conjunctions, oppositions and squares within the lunar return itself within 2-3 degrees (plus major aspectconfigurations like Yod or Kite or T-square)

° special consideration of the Moon and planets on the angles or conjunct Sun, Moon, NN or Vertex

But where it becomes relationship-relevant:

° conjunctions, oppositions, squares within 2 degrees to the other person natal (or possibly progressed chart)

° midpoints (conjunction, opposition, square within 1° orb) to the triggered planets in the Lunar Return

(if you pick Ebertin wheel style, astro.com calculates the midpoints for you).

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Hi Ceri!
I will help you satisfy your curiosity lol, but this will take some time!
I have never pulled a Lunar Return chart or know anything about them, but you might know by now my love for experiments and research!

So some first observations and I will continue completing them gradually..

My Lunar Return took place 12 days after the major event, I don't know if this is still valid. Anyway, another major event took place approximately 20 days after my lunar return. Actually, we pull a lunar return for the month of the event, isn't that it?

In that case, for event no. 1 for example and within the LRchart itself we have :

Moon 10 56 virgo on the MC 12 50 virgo

Moon opp. Neptune 8 18 Pisces

Moon square Saturn 13 43 sag

Jupiter 22 40 virgo on NN 22 32 virgo

Pluto 15 56 cap conj. Mercury 15 cap

Uranus 17 aries square Pluto and Mercury

Mars 12 28 scorpio conj. juno 11 54 (I don't know if I should include that)

Pluto and Mercury on the Anti-Vx 12 30 Cap

T-square with saturn (apex) sq. Moon and Neptune

Wedge (???? I keep forgetting the name of this configuration lol) with
Mars in Scorpio
Merc and Pluto in Cap
Moon in Virgo

posted March 18, 2016 09:06 AM            

Conjunctions

Moon of the LRchart 10 56 virgo, on his Jupiter 8 28 Virgo (and Mars 14 12 virgo, a bit above 3d)

MC 12 50 on his Mars

Sun 6 30 Aqua on his Sun 8 42 Aqua !

(it's the same event as the event chart we discussed about not so long ago lol )

Chiron 18 31 pisces on his Venus 16 11 pisces

Ceres 29 20 Aqua on his South Node 29 22 Aqua!

Jupiter and NN on his BML

And..this might sound interesting to you if I remember well...POF 24 00 Aries on his S/M midpoint 23 40 Aries

Squares

Then we have Asc 28 25 scorpio square his NN 29 22 Leo

Saturn 13 43 sag square his Mars

Sun 6 30 Aqua square his Vertex 5 05 scorpio
(does this count?)

NN/SN square his Neptune 21 51 Sag

Mars square his Mercury 14 aqua

Saturn square his Venus 16 11 pisces

Oppositions

Neptune 8 18 opp. his Jupiter 8 28 virgo

I think so far the triggers are indeed very very telling lol..it's as if its literal, I mean alone
his Sun on the LRchart Sun
his Mars on the LR MC
his jupiter and mars on the LR Moon
and his NN sq. the LR Asc
tell the whole story

ETA : Actually things might get even more interesting if we look into HIS LRchart for the event I am talking about! In fact that event took place only two hours after the time of his lunar return itself
This is really impressive. I will come back later with more data, it might even take 2-3 days lol (my mom is visiting )

posted March 18, 2016 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

I mean I keep checking for the lunar returns of major events and the connections are unbeliavable! Thank you one more time, you opened my eyes or...even my jaw like this

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posted March 18, 2016 10:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think that is quite important when an event happens exact on the lunar return.

well it means that on that day Tr Moon was conjunct natal Moon for once

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Actually yeah..you know

Plus it's the event chart that had a striking resemblance to his natal chart

posted March 18, 2016 12:31 PM            

In a month that was well let`s call it a little frustrating/ depressing/ sobering up to me, there was this coming up:

in my Lunar Return:
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his n Chiron conjunct my LR DESC (2)
his n Nodes square my LR Saturn (2)
his n Juno(Venus) square my LR Sun (0 and 3)
his n Mars-Jupiter conjunct my LR Venus (1 and 2)

in his Lunar Return
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my n Chiron conjunct his LR ASC (1)
(my n Vertex square his LR ASC-DESC exact)
my n MC_Pluto conjunct his LR Mercury-Vertex (2)
my n Pluto square his LR MC exact
my n Pluto opposite his LR East Point exact
my n Mars conjunct his LR Saturn (3) (my n Amor conjuncted it exact)
my n ASC square his LR Venus (1)
my n ASC square his LR Neptune exact
(figures, he had a Venus-Neptune-opposition and I was riiiight in the middle of it )
my n Saturn square his LR Uranus (2)
my n Sun conjunct his LR Moon (2)
- though that is ALWAYS the case
my n Venus conjunct his LR MC (2)
my n Jupiter and Juno opposite his LR Mars-Jupiter (3 and 2)
my n Juno conjunct his LR Chiron (1)

so midpoints:

my Lunar Return:

1)
his n Chiron conjunct:
my LR DESC
square Saturn/Uranus
square Neptune/Pluto

SA/UR=AS Grave misunderstandings with others. Sudden separation from other people. Being placed in difficult circumstances, the fate of standing alone in the world. The suffering of difficulties caused by others,
experiencing emotional suffering together with others.

NE/PL=AS To quit a matter.

2) his Nodes square
my LR Saturn
conjunct Moon/Mars
square Venus/MC wide 1.13
conjunct MC/Neptune 1.16

MO/MA=SA The interrupted, disturbed working time which causes anger and disgust. The sick wife. The separated home. The separated wife.
(I think we can substitute wife with woman here)

MC/VE=SA Sorrow resulting from separation in love. Hindrances and sorrow in love.
controlling the love urge; loss of
relationship;

MC/NE=SA To cause losses or weakness or neglect. To suffer or separate through having a wrong concept (notion) of the situation.
lack of clarity, insecurity, uncertainty, tendency to (unneccessary) worry. Suffering from the consequences of wrong actions, inability to get over a loss.

3) his n Mars-Jupiter conjunct my LR Venus looks nice, right?

my LR Venus
square Pluto/ASC 0°00
square Mars/Neptune 0°08

AS/PL=VE wielding a strong influence of others through extremely attractive personality (passionate love union).

MA/NE=VE Denial of love. misdirected passion (well Ebertin writes about perversion and everytime he does that he usually means the inclination for illegitimate affairs and cheating).

posted March 18, 2016 12:52 PM            

1)my n Chiron conjunct
his LR ASC (1)
conjunct his Venus/Saturn
square Sun/Uranus
square Saturn/Neptune

VE/SA=AS To hinder the inclinations of others. To quit others. To be forsaken.

SO/UR=AS People who arouse strong feeling, stir up activity or stimulate the environment.

SA/NE=AS Infection of other people. To be infected. Being a loner; feeling confined; sense of being out of group .
Oppressive environmental and/or family circumstances.

(he was actually having a very low period of several months being plagued by colds, and THIS was the lowest point)

2)my n Mars conjunct his LR Saturn (3) (my n Amor conjuncted it exact)

his LR Saturn
square Pluto/ASC
conjunct Sun/MC
conjunct Sun/Pluto very wide 1.22

AS/PL=SA Separation from the environment. Isolation.

MC/SO=SA The body and soul are inhibited. Pessimist, Separation. To give up a particular objective. Sadness and grief.
Maturation through sobering experiences. A negative outlook on life, reserve,
inhibitions. The tendency to retire or withdraw, the mood of sadness. The necessity to make grave or difficult decisions.

3) my n Sun conjunct his LR Moon (2)
conjunct Venus/Uranus 0°09
square Neptune/ASC
square Uranus/Neptune
conjunct Venus/ASC 1.14

VE/UR=MO A woman fastidious in love. Labor-pains. Sudden surprising harmony with the public or female persons. Social dances.

AS/VE=MO Nice female acquaintances. A woman's love for the native.

UR/NE=MO Women as mediums. Persons who do not exactly know what they are doing. Bewildered or mislead people.

AS/NE=MO To be influenced by others. Evil female influence. Doubtful female acquaintances, or classes of people in general. Fraudulent matters in the public.

4) my n Jupiter and Juno opposite his LR Mars-Jupiter (3 and 2)
square Moon/Saturn

MO/SA=MA The sickly woman. A woman separated from man. Disharmony. sadness.
The sense of law and order prevails; the sense of duty and responsibility;The sense of real problems, inhibitions or feelings of inferiority,self-control to the point of torment, inner conflicts. Illness or separation of women.

posted March 18, 2016 01:00 PM            

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posted March 18, 2016 01:01 PM            

This is a wonderful topic that you bring up I have personally found lunar returns significant. I have been personally paying attention to personal name asteroids in the lunar returns also to the ascendant.

The ascendant obviously is a focus or a major role that will mainly take place for you in your own emotional state. I also like to use overlays to those close to us emotionally and also with the natal chart. For instance February lunar return....the ascendant was in libra which overlayed my 1st house in libra that month I focused a lot on partnership forming friendships and romance defently was a big thought on my mind. My partner played a big role to me emotionally....editing...

posted March 18, 2016 01:15 PM            

"^^very interesting midpoint pictures there. It's so cool how they describe such a nuanced and detailed painting of the event/person/time/experience, when synthesized."
Yes.

BTW from HIS midpoints, what would you guess was the event in his life?

"What do you think the significance is, Ceridwen, of the progressed lunar return? "
Not a clue yet. Let me first grasp the normal lunar return.

"ope this isn't too far out of the realm of relevance to inquire here. I have just experienced my progressed Moon conjunct my natal Moon."
Ahh this you mean. I think VERY important, and not as temporary as it is the beginning of a long timespan.

I was aware it was going on and looked through some books but haven't got a really good handle on it. I'm thinking it must be operating like a huge grand lunar I had mine in april 2002.
my fullmoon was last year.

posted March 18, 2016 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well my list of midpoints was expectd, his surprised me.

1)my n Chiron conjunct
his LR ASC (1)
conjunct his Venus/Saturn
square Sun/Uranus
square Saturn/Neptune

VE/SA=AS To hinder the inclinations of others. To quit others. To be forsaken.

SO/UR=AS People who arouse strong feeling, stir up activity or stimulate the environment.

SA/NE=AS Infection of other people. To be infected. Being a loner; feeling confined; sense of being out of group .
Oppressive environmental and/or family circumstances.

(he was actually having a very low period of several months being plagued by colds, and THIS was the lowest point)

2)my n Mars conjunct his LR Saturn (3) (my n Amor conjuncted it exact)

his LR Saturn
square Pluto/ASC
conjunct Sun/MC
conjunct Sun/Pluto very wide 1.22

AS/PL=SA Separation from the environment. Isolation.

MC/SO=SA The body and soul are inhibited. Pessimist, Separation. To give up a particular objective. Sadness and grief.
Maturation through sobering experiences. A negative outlook on life, reserve,
inhibitions. The tendency to retire or withdraw, the mood of sadness. The necessity to make grave or difficult decisions.

3) my n Sun conjunct his LR Moon (2)
conjunct Venus/Uranus 0°09
square Neptune/ASC
square Uranus/Neptune
conjunct Venus/ASC 1.14

VE/UR=MO A woman fastidious in love. Labor-pains. Sudden surprising harmony with the public or female persons. Social dances.

AS/VE=MO Nice female acquaintances. A woman's love for the native.

UR/NE=MO Women as mediums. Persons who do not exactly know what they are doing. Bewildered or mislead people.

AS/NE=MO To be influenced by others. Evil female influence. Doubtful female acquaintances, or classes of people in general. Fraudulent matters in the public.

4) my n Jupiter and Juno opposite his LR Mars-Jupiter (3 and 2)
square Moon/Saturn

MO/SA=MA The sickly woman. A woman separated from man. Disharmony. sadness.
The sense of law and order prevails; the sense of duty and responsibility;The sense of real problems, inhibitions or feelings of inferiority,self-control to the point of torment, inner conflicts. Illness or separation of women.

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Well.. i think in his return, the crux of it, given the importance of the moon itself in such a chart, is the Asc/Venus, Venus/Uranus, Uranus/Neptune and Uranus/Asc midpoints there and all the factors surrounding the moon itself. The issues swirling around it seem to indicate a really difficult period, similar somehow energetically to what you were going through, but markedly low energy and isolated. Seems to indicate ample confusion and distress from his side with the realization of the imperative and deeply affecting nature of the influence of this exciting/alarming/new-age/technologically savvy female--or series of females--in his life.. an understanding that there are deeper forces at play and a getting in touch with unconscious realms and energetic realities which are at odds with his daily life and tend to make him want to isolate himself more than usual--also his powerlessness to effect change in his personal sphere is apparent; the need for retreat, and yet still we have his looking outward (asc/ura, asc/venus) for magical effects to rescue him from the heavy intensity and perhaps monotony of his days...

posted March 18, 2016 02:57 PM            

wanna see my february lunar return?

posted March 18, 2016 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

So you've just experienced a progressed full moon... did it feel pretty epic?

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Hmm, yes I guess. But quite frankly there was SOOO much going on all at once, I didn`t know where to turn my head.

It happened on 4th may 2015.

in march the picture of sa Venus conjunct nMoon had been exact (I mention it cause of course my n Moon was having the opposition to pMoon later then, so I guess it was connected)

3 weeks before the fullmoon was exact my first time of Tr Uranus square nSaturn hit exact.

2 weeks after: Tr Node conjunct n Pluto (I only mention the exact hits)

3 weeks after: Tr Jupiter opposite n Moon

in july:
Tr NN conjunct nMC (and square nVenus just before that)

sa NN conjunct nAntiverex and Sun/Moon-mp

on 22nd august pMC square nMoon exact
(interestingly it was on THAT very day the gathering/ fanmeeting of Mr Sag took place).

So it just occurred to me that there was quite a bit moony-aspects

pMoon opposite nMoon
sa Venus conjunct n Moon
sa Node conjunct n Sun/Moon-mp
Tr Jupiter opposite nMoon

and well, Tr Uranus square nSaturn also means that Tr Uranus was sextile nMoon (and trine pMoon) exact

There had been a lot going on, I just had come home from the trip with my family to Cornwall (also visited Oxford and Glastonbury) in april. On 5th may there was the theatre play of a theatregroup at our school, which I had to coordinate and organize for about 150 pupils, and it was an organisational nightmare, and I have been pretty much left on my own with almost no support from my colleagues. On the other hand it turned out that I did pretty okay nevertheless. lol
Was visiting the theatre-workshop at school, too (somehow this has become a yearly habit by now. lol in fact the last one was in the week following the last concert of Mr Sag). So it was probably nothing too special or spectacular.

Then in june I left for a classtrip to the Bretagne. Bretagne was amazing, the trip itself a nightmare. The organization beforehand coming with so much quarrells, difficulties, arguments with colleagues and pupils and parents, well nightmare.
Anyway the day after we came back from that trip I went to an open air where Mr Sag was, too, and I blame it on my sleepdeprivation, but at one point he was reading something that really made me enthusiastic (had some relation to Latin, and I am a Latinteacher, and had not known that, and I thought it was awesome information. funny really. lol) so I was applauding. Problem being I was the only one of about 2000 people. lol
I think that progressed fullmoon made it difficult to stay in the background. Not with a moon that is called "Queen`s Moon". (fullmoon from Leo to Aquarius).

posted March 18, 2016 03:59 PM            

BTW even though I talked here about him mostly, I think the fullmoon had to do with more than him, just covering so many layers, there was him obviously, but there also was my job and me applying for a life time civil servant job which actually meant a promotion and statuschange (slightly at least) and I had to do some more exams with that, which I did, and got a pretty good report from my boss on my work-ethics and the work I did. (not the best mark there is, but almost).

Oh and there was the instance when I was informed just after the summer break I had to switch teams at school, and my colleague whose team I had to leave was really annoyed and ****** about this, I did not quite undrstand it as we were still at the same school, just working in different teams, but he seemed really upset about it and was actually fighting against our boss for keeping me in his team, though had to succumb to the necessities of school-organisation, and then he actually complained that he couldnīt give me a ride back home from school anymore because of our conflicting schedules.
It was kinda cute, but also pretty bewildering. I didn`t really think it was a reason to get so worked up about. And he is an Aquarius! Have you ever seen an Aquarius getting upset because someone leaves a work-team? They are usually so calm and easy-going about most things, but in a way it was flattering, cause I guess it just showed he liked me (just innocently again, cause he is married, too. )

posted March 18, 2016 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I wonder what was going on for you that month?

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posted March 18, 2016 04:21 PM            

I think that was an amazing interpretation of the midpoint pictures (nevertheless what was going on), and i agree with you the Moon pictures are ALWAYS important.

It just surprised me to see these pictures for him seeing that he was getting married that month and well, just seemed a little weird. Well he was really sick that time, too.

For my part, of course I knew about his wife and the kid(s), and well acceptance is my middle name, but it surprisingly stung quite much nevertheless. Which was weird, I did not think it would.
But I HAD to isolate myself, detach from even thinking of him too much for a while. I - well sounds strange- but usually I can sort of feel him or sense him like a constant stream of consciousness in the back of my mind. But at that point I cut that/ him off. Completely. Not because of any bad feelings towards him, but I just had to withdraw into myself and well, mend myself, I guess. Re-balance.

At the same time he withdrew, too, from his facebook mostly. Well he still was there, but not like his former Self. He had always been spontaneously engaging with his fans. Not so anymore. Very professional, very cool, very un-spontaneous, and looking just very tired and sick and not happy on the pictures he posted.
But then again, what`st hat to do with me, right? Nothing.
I just would have expected a newly wed man to look a little happier (and not put his new motto on his twitter that reads: "livin' on the road, sing that same old song, do what you've been told, know where you belong!"

Made me shudder to be honest.
But anyway, that is what it was like.

I did eventually resurface on his facebook, not that it would have meant anything to him or so I thought, but at the end of my birthday I couldn`t help but realize that while mine ended his began and so I wrote a short birthday message to him (as many others did so, too). And well he did respond to that and some other post I made instantly.
It feels better like this, this "cutting-off" even if just internally, somehow seems to work against me rather than for me. Not sure why. It just feels like cutting off from myself.

Whatever that connection between us is or is supposed to be, it does not like to be manipulated in any way, just have to let it flow. But anyway, honestly, november and most of december felt pretty crappy. lol

posted March 18, 2016 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Angel,

wanna see my february lunar return?

hmm photobucket is down

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Yes! Send it to me I wanna see! And can you also post your natal chart?

posted March 18, 2016 05:14 PM            

my lunar return for february.

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my natal

posted March 18, 2016 06:27 PM            

Whatever that connection between us is or is supposed to be, it does not like to be manipulated in any way, just have to let it flow. But anyway, honestly, november and most of december felt pretty crappy. lol"

Read all of what you wrote there and am running alongside cheering you on.

Am kind of on the same page with my current relationship re: "cutting-off" ; shutting down on him is no good for me, even if it seems like it might be. It's not the right thing to do. It's exactly as you say, like shutting my own self down. Making plans to be assertive and independent and do my own life feels good though. It's hard to get even a tiny bit of perspective and chutspah to continue sometimes... anyway...

Do you have their marriage chart? I guess not but... would be interesting anyway.

posted March 18, 2016 06:29 PM            

I guess he has a responsible streak.