posted April 10, 2016 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sorry to hear about the breakup, Champ. But it sounds like it is almost a relief, at least in the long run.

And I agree with Orange`s asessment of the transit.

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posted April 10, 2016 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
It is a saturn test for your love. If it is a strong one, it will keep on living. Break up, make up.
If it doesn't serve you any more purpose, Saturn will wipe it out without your consent. Whatever happens, its for the best.

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I meant THIS.

Personally I went through it just once, one hit of Tr Saturn square my Venus, and it was not desolate at all (Tr Saturn square my Sun was a bummer though)

BTW do you have Libra or Taurus at the cusp of the DESC, 5th or 8th house? Or Venus in one of these houses?

posted April 10, 2016 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I meant THIS.

Personally I went through it just once, one hit of Tr Saturn square my Venus, and it was not desolate at all (Tr Saturn square my Sun was a bummer though)

BTW do you have Libra or Taurus at the cusp of the DESC, 5th or 8th house? Or Venus in one of these houses?

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Yes I do. Libra desc. Their venus and ascendent conjunct that point. I should add that my asc conjuncts their point as well by less than 1 deg

posted April 11, 2016 12:14 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
I can't believe I forgot to mention that her Saturn squares my venus. So we've got a double whammy.

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How wide are the orbs for both aspects?

To be honest, what you described seems more like SATURN (hers) reacting to VENUS (you) via a challenging connection (square).

Saturn tends to be the more insecure one, in this pair.

And uh, yes... It sucks. It's an aspect I'd gladly never ever have again in synastry. Or the opposition. Or the quincunx. Just no. Lol.

I think the conjunction is less difficult but definitely not what I'd imagine as an "easy-flowing" connection...

Anyway, it's good that you're okay with the break-up.

posted April 11, 2016 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
Yes I do. Libra desc. Their venus and ascendent conjunct that point. I should add that my asc conjuncts their point as well by less than 1 deg

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Because that is like a double hit in terms of relationship. Not only is Venus involved as relationshp-planet all itself, but it also rules THE relationship-house. I`ve also come across the reference in a book that events concerning relationships might happen more frequently and dramatically when an outer planet aspects the DESC, ruler of DESC or planets in 7th house than Venus in general (unless Venus is one of those planets), so I was curious to see if your Venus was indeed part of this "relationship-profile" and it was. So sort of a confirmation.

If you have Libra DESC and their Venus and ASC are in Libra (first of speaking of a potential strong romantic attraction and possibility of forming a partnership in the first place), then chances are that they were having somewhen or are still going to have Tr Uranus opposite, Tr Neptune quinkunx and Tr Pluto square these points.

Did any of this happen simultaneously to your Tr Saturn-Venus transit?

So question would be, is their ASC and/ or Venus near
10 Libra
16 Libra
21 Libra?

posted April 11, 2016 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

I think the conjunction is less difficult but definitely not what I'd imagine as an "easy-flowing" connection...

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As I mentioned my parents have this, but I think there are some modifying factors as work here:

1. it`s a conjunction (not a square, opposition or even quinkunx)

2. Dad`s Saturn rules his 5th house, Mum`s Venus rules her 5th house.
My mom has Capricorn on the cusp of her 7th and 8th house, so Saturn is part of what she is looking for and here, my Dad`s Saturn-ASC-conjunction falls onto her Venus, ruler of her 5th house, beside being Venus-Saturn, it is for both of them part of their relationship-profile/partnership-pattern.

3. the conjunction is also exactly trine my Dad`s Mercury in Capricorn, which is his chartruler

(it is also exactly square his Chiron in his 3rd house, and that is the one time it sometimes is showing it`s unpleasant side. If he feels criticized by my Mom or cannot match his own standards in what he likes to do for her or the family and feels "unworthy of appreciation", he can be very hurt and withdrawing, which in turn hurts my mom. But the good thing about is, they talk it out pretty much instantly, or within an hour, and I think the trine to Mercury helps, the lines of communication are always open).

But so I think their Saturn-Venus-conjunction might not be comparable to some other Saturn-Venus-disasters (especailly the square or opposition when not being supported or backed up by harmonious aspects as outlet)

posted April 11, 2016 12:53 PM            

It actually sounds like a lovely conjunction, in their case, haha.

posted April 11, 2016 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
How wide are the orbs for both aspects?

To be honest, what you described seems more like SATURN (hers) reacting to VENUS (you) via a challenging connection (square).

Saturn tends to be the more insecure one, in this pair.

And uh, yes... It sucks. It's an aspect I'd gladly never ever have again in synastry. Or the opposition. Or the quincunx. Just no. Lol.

I think the conjunction is less difficult but definitely not what I'd imagine as an "easy-flowing" connection...

Anyway, it's good that you're okay with the break-up.

As a Sag Venus especially, I feel like Saturn may be too restrictive for you.

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Hey Doux, her Saturn squares my Venus @ 2 exact. My Saturn conjuncts her Venus 1°58.

I keep hearing about the Venus Saturn squares being hard but how come all these long lasting relationships have this?

For me, I do feel restricted. But I just assumed it was my unintended "flirting" with "everyone" that needed to be yanked in because she "couldn't believe I did it right in front of her".

posted April 11, 2016 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Because that is like a double hit in terms of relationship. Not only is Venus involved as relationshp-planet all itself, but it also rules THE relationship-house. I`ve also come across the reference in a book that events concerning relationships might happen more frequently and dramatically when an outer planet aspects the DESC, ruler of DESC or planets in 7th house than Venus in general (unless Venus is one of those planets), so I was curious to see if your Venus was indeed part of this "relationship-profile" and it was. So sort of a confirmation.

If you have Libra DESC and their Venus and ASC are in Libra (first of speaking of a potential strong romantic attraction and possibility of forming a partnership in the first place), then chances are that they were having somewhen or are still going to have Tr Uranus opposite, Tr Neptune quinkunx and Tr Pluto square these points.

Did any of this happen simultaneously to your Tr Saturn-Venus transit?

So question would be, is their ASC and/ or Venus near
10 Libra
16 Libra
21 Libra?

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Ceriwen this is exactly true. There was something that I was aware of from the beginning but it took us awhile to get to the dating stage. But last summer when jupiter was conjunct Venus, things changed between us. Then when Venus went retrograde it sort of fell a part. And we have been off and on since then. She has undergone huge changes, uranus changes to Pluto changes. I've always tried to be supportive. I've went through some too. Although we have tried to keep this going it does feel life there's this invisible wall between us and we can't connect in anyway anymore.

posted April 11, 2016 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
if we fight against what is best for us in the long run, we forget our own decency and goodness too.

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This is gold. Made me stop and think for a bit. I'm gonna save this quote, hope you don't mind, lol.

I experienced the "wall", too. And we tried to make it work, ohhh yes. But alas, the wall won. It just wouldn't come down.

I do wonder about the deeper meaning of such encounters. Now I think they're different for everyone but usually with Saturn/Venus it's about what we value, and what the other person values. Somehow those two tend to be at odds.

That remark about your flirting ways, makes sense. That's similar to Orange's case, too. There's that "your way of showing affection bothers me" vibe, whether in the relationship or outside of it.

Oh and, I haven't noticed it to be popular among couples, actually. If anything I always read about how it fails or never gets off the ground...

Saturn can be tough.

posted April 11, 2016 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Because that is like a double hit in terms of relationship. Not only is Venus involved as relationshp-planet all itself, but it also rules THE relationship-house. I`ve also come across the reference in a book that events concerning relationships might happen more frequently and dramatically when an outer planet aspects the DESC, ruler of DESC or planets in 7th house than Venus in general (unless Venus is one of those planets), so I was curious to see if your Venus was indeed part of this "relationship-profile" and it was. So sort of a confirmation.

If you have Libra DESC and their Venus and ASC are in Libra (first of speaking of a potential strong romantic attraction and possibility of forming a partnership in the first place), then chances are that they were having somewhen or are still going to have Tr Uranus opposite, Tr Neptune quinkunx and Tr Pluto square these points.

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So interesting Ceridwen. I wonder if we could open a thread about what you've just mentioned... I have some ideas and queries about it. (D.'s 7th ruler Jupiter presently squared by Neptune being the main one!)

posted April 11, 2016 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

If you have Libra DESC and their Venus and ASC are in Libra (first of speaking of a potential strong romantic attraction and possibility of forming a partnership in the first place), then chances are that they were having somewhen or are still going to have Tr Uranus opposite, Tr Neptune quinkunx and Tr Pluto square these points.

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So what does this mean for me as far as what to take from this transit and hits and the relationship itself? Just go with the flow?

posted April 11, 2016 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
This is gold. Made me stop and think for a bit. I'm gonna save this quote, hope you don't mind, lol.

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Anyway, good luck with whatever comes next for you, cchamp!

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I missed this earlier. Thank you Doux, I appreciate it always!

posted April 19, 2016 10:52 AM            

Transiting Mars is hitting it now, yay.

I dunno, I've always tried to remain on good terms with the men that I dated, when it was over.

I find that this is impossible with Venus-Saturn.

posted April 19, 2016 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sorry to hear about the breakup, Champ. But it sounds like it is almost a relief, at least in the long run.

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