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thingsgoneby
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posted August 06, 2016 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi!

This is my first post on Lindaland. I posted this at Astrology Weekly too but didn't get any responses. So, I'll try my luck here as well.

I've been looking at a couple of progressed composite charts between me and acquaintances of mine, and I've noticed this pattern. If I have IRL contact with the person in question we almost always have Sun Conjunct Mercury in our progressed composite.

I've also looked at previous connections of mine who I no longer have contact with and during the time we interacted we indeed have Sun Conjunct Mercury, but now, when we have no contact whatsoever no Sun Conjunct Mercury is in sight.

Did anyone else notice this pattern? Am I completely off? It's kind of discouraging though, since I have this one particular person who I would love to have contact with again in the future and we apparently won't have Sun Conjunct Mercury ever again, but during the time we communicated we had this conjunction.

Why is this? Am I wrong? What do you think about the Sun Conjunct Mercury theory in progressed composite charts? I'd love to hear your opinions.

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posted August 06, 2016 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First off, Welcome to Lindaland!

As for the topic, this is not necessarily true in my case. A good friend of mine that I have online has Sun Conjunct Mercury in our progressed composite; we've never had any real life contact except through Skype (hence, we've never met in person). I also have a friend that I've not talked to in a while and we also have Sun-Mercury conjunct in our progressed composite.

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posted August 06, 2016 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome! Composites/Synastries go in Interpersonal Astrology, so I'm moving this over there.

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mir
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posted August 06, 2016 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Orange had a theory about this recently.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/005648.html

It's not specifically about Sun/Mercury but all progressed compo conjunctions.

So the question would be, is the Sun or/and Mercury in those cases coincidentally ruler of your composite OR progressed-composite 1st or 7th house?

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posted August 07, 2016 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Electro DGX:
First off, Welcome to Lindaland!

As for the topic, this is not necessarily true in my case. A good friend of mine that I have online has Sun Conjunct Mercury in our progressed composite; we've never had any real life contact except through Skype (hence, we've never met in person). I also have a friend that I've not talked to in a while and we also have Sun-Mercury conjunct in our progressed composite.


Thank you so much! It feels good to be here, amongst so many knowledgeable people! I've been lurking on Lindaland for ages before signing up. I adore this place. You guys always give such great answers. Though, I'm a newbie, so I don't know what it all means yet.

I'm actually relieved that you find it not to be necessarily true. I was getting bummed out by this new discovery of mine. Even though in my case it seems I can find this weird correlation most of the time, not always by any means, but often. I will look further into it, but I'm really hoping I'm mistaken. Thanks for checking!

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posted August 07, 2016 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
Welcome! Composites/Synastries go in Interpersonal Astrology, so I'm moving this over there.

Thank you! Sorry about that, I'm still getting accustomed!

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posted August 07, 2016 05:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mir:
Orange had a theory about this recently.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/005648.html

It's not specifically about Sun/Mercury but all progressed compo conjunctions.

So the question would be, is the Sun or/and Mercury in those cases coincidentally ruler of your composite OR progressed-composite 1st or 7th house?


Interesting! Though, I'm not sure how to find out what planets are the rulers of our composite 1st or 7th house. I looked at astrotheme.com. Is the ruler the same as Planets in Houses? With the person I have in mind specifically we have Sun in 10th house and Mercury in 9th in our composite chart. Is that the same as rulers? Sorry, I'm fairly new to astrology. So, the more advanced stuff is a bit confusing to me.

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posted August 07, 2016 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooooow wait a second..

Did you know that Mercury never moves away more from the Sun than 28 degrees? So it's not uncommon for those to be pretty close in the (progressed) Compo. You were probably talking about loose conjunctions?

If the Ascendant or Descendant in the Composite OR progressed Composite falls in Leo, Gem or Virgo then the Sun or Merc would be a ruler. This because Sun is the ruler of Leo and Merc the ruler of Gem and Virgo.
Knowing the exact time of birth for both is then required.

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posted August 07, 2016 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mir,
I was just thinking of asking you this - I just looked at my forthcoming solar return and found that my Sun is closely conjunct Mercury (in 8th). Wondered if you'd written about that anywhere or know of a relevant thread. Thanks.

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posted December 09, 2016 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been thinking about this theory again, because I see it again and again.

Sometimes people who don't have any contact happen to have this conjunction - I've seen that.

But I've yet failed to see two people who meet on a regular basis who do not have Sun conjunct Mercury in the progressed composite.

I'm just looking for confirmation I guess, so if you have a couple of people you interact with in your astro.com Data I would love it if you checked and reported back!

and FYI I really WANT to be wrong on this one. Because it makes me terribly sad to think that I will not have contact with a couple of people who I don't have this conjunction with in the future.

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posted December 09, 2016 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no the theory doesn`t hold true for me.

I do think however IF Sun and Mercury are conjunct within one degree in the pr. composite it is an important occurrence, but it is individual; not a generic marker of communication or not.

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a friend of mine and me who exchange at least 2 emails per week, we do not have the conj. in pr composite.


my best friend and me, though, who have been very communicative esp. in recent months do have the conjunction at 2 degrees

another friend of mine and me do not have this, but we have Mercury conjunct Venus in the pr composite.


I do think that the condition of progressed Mercury will be indicative of how you are communicating, but it doesn`t have to be a conjunction to Sun.


For encounters and initiating contacts I noticed the conjunctions to the angles being paramount (not only by Mercury).

What is conjunct the angles (and Sun usually, and to a lesser degree, moon), will manifest quite clearly.


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posted December 10, 2016 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for checking, Ceridwen!

I've seen that it does not hold true for online interactions, but it just amazes me how accurate this particular progressed composite conjunction is to determine who I have regular IRL contact with. All my family members have this one with each other in a tight orb for example.

I hope you are right, though! and I agree that the angles would be important, yet, it's often difficult for me to evaluate because I rarely know people's TOB.

May I ask about the friend of yours who you have a Mercury conjunct Venus with, do you interact often? How often do you see each other approximately?

(Oh, and I've also noticed that people who do have this conjunction without any IRL contact, often have Sun and/or Mercury opposite/square Saturn, which I interpret as restriction to communication, but, I may be simplifying it.)

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posted December 10, 2016 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it`s actually a mail-friendship, so we don`t see each other in real life, but exchanging long mails often several times a week.


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posted December 10, 2016 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It ain't looking bright then, haha

That's the thing. I haven't once encountered a prg. composite between two people who interact regularly in real person without a Sun/Mercury conjunction.

There must be some examples of that, I'm certain. But hitherto, no.

If someone else want to check I'd highly appreciate it. Hopefully this theory is absolute rubbish.

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posted December 10, 2016 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I gave you some!


And doesn`t come up regularly for my family either.


brother and gf: no (though Merc conj. Venus)

me and brother: no

my parents: no

me and my mom: yes, soon (3 degrees applying)

me and my dad: no


my bf and her hubby: no


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posted December 10, 2016 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, to be fair your first examples without Sun/Mercury conjunctions were for online interactions.

But these with your brother/gf and parents are obviously of IRL interactions and I just want to say phew and thank you so much for checking a few more!

I'm happy the theory does not exclusively hold true! It would have been discouraging to be able to determine who one would not interact with again, judging from this conjunction. So, it's obviously pretty much rubbish Thank you!

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posted December 10, 2016 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not trying to disprove anything here, but for fun I further wanted to explore and find people who have regular IRL contact that this does not hold true for. No luck with the first three long term celebrity couples, though.

Mercury conjunct Sun in the progressed composite
Victoria & David Beckham: Yes
Ellen DeGeneres & Portia de Rossi: Yes
Catherine Zeta-Jones & Michael Douglas: Yes

I will look at a few more when I have time.

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posted December 10, 2016 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beyonce & Jay-Z: Yes
Kardashian & Kanye: Yes

(and I do not skip anyone, these were the first five I looked up)

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posted December 10, 2016 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, Thingsgoneby, it's nice to see you here

The reason you find so many Sun conj Mercury in composites is astronomical, since Mercury and Venus never travel too far away from the Sun. You will find this occurrence in regular composites as well, it's not a progression characteristic, but a characteristic of midpoint charts. And this is because the geometrical midpoint of two astrobodies which already travel close to each other will only bring them closer (Sun and Mercury are already close in natal charts, a midpoint chart between two Suns and two Mercuries will give a high rate of cSun/Mercury conjunction).

We discussed the issue before when addressing the "love stellium" concept, showing that astronomically, for Sun Mercury Venus to be very close to each other in composites is a high frequency mathematical occurrence, hence not that relevant as astrological relational marker.

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posted December 10, 2016 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neil Patrick Harris & David Burtka: No (Moon conjunct Sun & Mercury conjunct Saturn in Cancer)

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posted December 10, 2016 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for responding, LeeLoo2014!

I've heard that they never travel too far away from each other, but funny thing is in my own life there seem to be an eerie coincidence where I do have this conjunction with people I interact with, and for old acquaintances Mercury and Sun may be close together, but not close enough to apply in a conjunction. That's why I keep doing some investigation work But as you can see by Cerdiwen's reply it isn't so clear-cut as I first wanted to believe.

However, what especially made me wonder was when I started looking up people I've been close to in the past and when we interacted on a regular basis we had the conjunction and now when we don't - poof gone.

I definitely see where you are coming from, though, and it's good to keep in mind so I don't get too carried away believing this specific conjunction hold such value when Mercury, as you say, never travel too far away from the Sun.

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posted December 10, 2016 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In this case, one explanation would be that Mercury is a relational planet for you What is your Mercury profile?

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posted December 10, 2016 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Michelle Williams & Heath Ledger: No (obviously, since Heath tragically passed away) - but they don’t seem to have had it around 2007 when he was still alive either. Though, Sun/Mercury did apply in an 0 orb opposition. Today it still applies in an -3 separating opposition.

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posted December 10, 2016 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thingsgoneby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
In this case, one explanation would be that Mercury is a relational planet for you What is your Mercury profile?


Oh, that may be it! Let me check, I posted that last thing before I saw your reply. Thank you!

Mercury in Taurus (in 10th or 9th house)
sextile Jupiter
opposite Pluto
trine Uranus
trine Neptune
trine Saturn
trine Moon [Edit]

Gemini Sun/Virgo Moon (so I am "ruled" by Mercury in a sense). My ascendant is in Virgo or Leo. (If my ascendant is in Leo, Mercury is also tightly conjunct MC - most probably). Yet, I'm not sure how to determine whether or not it is a relational planet, would it be if it was in the 5th or 7th?

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posted December 10, 2016 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by thingsgoneby:
Well, to be fair your first examples without Sun/Mercury conjunctions were for online interactions.


Only in the case of the Mercury-Venus-one. The others ones were IRL connections, too, even though one friend and me additionally exchange quite a few emails.

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