posted August 16, 2016 05:16 AM              

The fear/ vulnerability is of course different than from a Moon-person or Chiron or so. It is more that nagging thought "am I (good) enough?"

Astrologers also tend to say that it is the planetary person that feels most bonded, but in my observation it`s the Saturn who usually sticks to the other and wants to "make it work". Well both seem to be bonded (or bound? lol), but for different reasons maybe.

And Saturn is good to pretend like he does not really care personally, but only because he wants the other to "grow up", but whenever I have been Saturn I have cared DEEPLY about the other and it scared me ******** !

posted August 16, 2016 10:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Great thoughts, however what I feel is missing - and is rarely mentioned in articles either- is that the Saturn-person is very vunlnerable/ fearful when touched in synastry (which is one of the reason they need to structure the other person, gives them a feeling of being secure and having to offer something to the other and be needed).

The fear/ vulnerability is of course different than from a Moon-person or Chiron or so. It is more that nagging thought "am I (good) enough?"

Astrologers also tend to say that it is the planetary person that feels most bonded, but in my observation it`s the Saturn who usually sticks to the other and wants to "make it work". Well both seem to be bonded (or bound? lol), but for different reasons maybe.

And Saturn is good to pretend like he does not really care personally, but only because he wants the other to "grow up", but whenever I have been Saturn I have cared DEEPLY about the other and it scared me ******** !

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posted August 16, 2016 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Great thoughts, however what I feel is missing - and is rarely mentioned in articles either- is that the Saturn-person is very vunlnerable/ fearful when touched in synastry (which is one of the reason they need to structure the other person, gives them a feeling of being secure and having to offer something to the other and be needed).

The fear/ vulnerability is of course different than from a Moon-person or Chiron or so. It is more that nagging thought "am I (good) enough?"

Astrologers also tend to say that it is the planetary person that feels most bonded, but in my observation it`s the Saturn who usually sticks to the other and wants to "make it work". Well both seem to be bonded (or bound? lol), but for different reasons maybe.

And Saturn is good to pretend like he does not really care personally, but only because he wants the other to "grow up", but whenever I have been Saturn I have cared DEEPLY about the other and it scared me ******** !

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I have a relationship that never goes away....

His Saturn trines my Saturn
His Saturn conjunct my DC
His Saturn opposed my Pluto
His Saturn opposed my Karma
His Saturn trine my Sun/Merc/Neptune stellium
Actually our Saturns are in a kite...

Grand Trine between
His Saturn aries@5(on my DC)
My Saturn leo@3
His AC/Merc saggy@5
My Sun saggy@5/Merc saggy@4

His Mars aqua@5 makes one kite
My Karma libra@5/My AC libra@7 makes another kite
His DC gemini@5 makes 3rd kite

posted August 16, 2016 02:05 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Hope it's ok I'm gabbing on, Gabby. just recent thoughts, seemed relevant

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posted August 16, 2016 02:14 PM            

My saturn conjuncts his moon
My Saturn sextiles his mercury
My Saturn squares his Venus
My Saturn squares his sun (I don't know if I should actually count this since it's 8 degrees)
My Saturn sextiles his Uranus
My Saturn trines his Chiron
His Saturn squares my Mercury
His Saturn squares my Jupiter
His Saturn is in opposition of my Neptune
His Saturn trines my Pluto and Sextiles my MC.

His Pluto does make aspects to my person planets but I know that's different from Saturn. And as you can see it's my Saturn that makes aspects to his personal planets. At first I was critical of him but not so much anymore. Maybe it's because of my Saturn return.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Great thoughts, however what I feel is missing - and is rarely mentioned in articles either- is that the Saturn-person is very vunlnerable/ fearful when touched in synastry (which is one of the reason they need to structure the other person, gives them a feeling of being secure and having to offer something to the other and be needed).

The fear/ vulnerability is of course different than from a Moon-person or Chiron or so. It is more that nagging thought "am I (good) enough?"

Astrologers also tend to say that it is the planetary person that feels most bonded, but in my observation it`s the Saturn who usually sticks to the other and wants to "make it work". Well both seem to be bonded (or bound? lol), but for different reasons maybe.

And Saturn is good to pretend like he does not really care personally, but only because he wants the other to "grow up", but whenever I have been Saturn I have cared DEEPLY about the other and it scared me ******** !

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posted August 16, 2016 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Faith, it's interesting that you share a Saturn/Moon midpoint picture with your husband.... D and I both have Saturn/Venus = Moon... been thinking about it lately...

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Wow

I wonder how common it is for two people in a relationship to have their moons on the same midpoint.

My husband has Saturn trine Uranus and I have the square. He derives comfort from all the ways in which people have traditionally harnessed their genius. I am always uncomfortable with the fact that the world has not done enough to substantiate (Saturn) more Uranian viewpoints. For instance, the mainstream educational system's rejection of astrology as a rational science annoys me more than it should. It's almost like my moon sought out a belief system that fulfills my moon's expectation to feel uneasy.

My husband has some radical beliefs, but he is actually comfortable standing out as an oddball. I am not comfortable with it, I actually hide my interest in the occult. The fact that he also wants me to hide that interest is not as annoying as it would be if I had the Saturn/Uranus trine like him and felt comfortable openly expressing my non-conformity. But I was going to hide it anyway. So what is potentially a marriage-wrecking issue (he's telling me what to do and I hate that) has not been marriage-wrecking yet because his preferences are actually in keeping with my own (even if I resist someone telling me what to do.)

posted August 16, 2016 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What a stunning idea!
I`ve never thought about that before!

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Yeah! I was glad it occurred to me!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mercury 17,3%
Venus 15,7%
Saturn 12,0%
(Pluto 10,6%)

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You two communicate so thoroughly: psychically, astrally, through body language...way beyond mere spoken language.

But I don't know, is Mercury just supposed to be about spoken language?

I guess it depends on who you ask.

Davison with my husband:

Venus 15.4%
Moon 11.7%
Mercury 11.4%

So much for my wild guess that Saturn would place first.

Our Davison is water dominant, too.

Ruled by Venus and water, affection and emotion, no wonder we are carrying on like this for years. Emotions can be so irrational. LOL

posted August 16, 2016 06:54 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Wow

I wonder how common it is for two people in a relationship to have their moons on the same midpoint.

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That is interesting. P and me share a Saturn-midpoint natally as well. Not with something as emotional and romantic as Moon or Venus though.

We both have

Sun= Saturn/ASC
(or in fact it is rather Sun = Saturn/DESC)

posted August 16, 2016 07:01 PM              

I love your dominant planets! So emotional!

Our Davison is actually a bit weird, having 3 planets in domicile.

Moon in Cancer
Mercury in Gemini
Venus in Taurus

Looks a bit odd.

Our Mercury, no matter if in composite or Davison, is quite the oddball.

in Davison it is in Gemini in 5th house conjunct Jupiter and opposing Neptune (I think Priapus-Lilith are also sort of connected to that opposition).

Naturally that might make any realist look up and furrow their brows. lol
In our case interestingly that opposition is sort of connected to Saturn (sextile and trine) and Pluto (trine and sextile), too.

Anyway I just realized that weirdly our first meeting chart has quite some personal planets either in the same or opposing sign as our Davison chart!

Sun: Gemini - Gemini
Moon: Capricorn - Cancer
Mercury: Gemini - Gemini
Venus: Taurus - Taurus

How odd!

posted August 17, 2016 06:25 AM            

I feel you. (But why does he want you to hide the interest? He must be more Saturn dominant...?)

The Saturn/Venus = Moon thing, on our part, is so similar... he has Saturn quincunx Venus (wide). My Vemus is quintile Saturn.

Basically, very similar story, with different symbolism and issues, obviously... But thank you for sharing I really resonated with that... the shared midpoint picture on the natal Moon is likely to be found fairly regularly, yeah... it would give a very particular resonance, for sure, a basic understanding and similar emotional needs bind people more surely than almost anything else...

He struggles because he doesn't realize that he actually wants and craves and needs a certain kind of restriction in relationship,.a heaviness and a slow growth, etc. He knows about the slow growth thing, he's a Taurus dominant person.. but cherishes the idea that love should be fun and easy, I think he actually suffers because of thinking it should be lighter than it is, because repeatedly he is involved in heavy things... but I am more comfortable with it... more creative with it... with the quintile between Saturn and Venus natally.

Our relationship is currently in dire straits, and again and again we come to this impasse, he saying "why is this so haaard" and me kinda like "isn't this great? You don't know you want this but you clearly do!"... because he clearly does...

Arghhh... I have been trying to decide to just let his pessimism run us off a cliff, because why should I try to convince anybody of the merits of a thing? Well... because that's part of what loving and looking out for someone is I guess...filling in the blanks where they can't see straight...

posted August 17, 2016 06:34 AM            

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BTW Saturn-squares are not a death sentence, in fact they come up frequently in lasting relationships, but if they do, there needs to be something VERY strong describing the enjoyment and compatibility and affection and love for each other through other aspects.

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posted August 17, 2016 08:45 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Yes and we need to cultivate that. Yes...

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posted August 17, 2016 09:39 AM              

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Emotional compatibility is critical.

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Yes, and some really nice Jupiter-aspects in particular (to personal planets) can introduce a true enjoyment of each other. And well I count the square and opposition among nice Jupiter-aspects as well, especially if part of a T-square and resulting in a midpoint pattern.

I am not so sure about isolated Jupiter-squares and oppositions, but these might be fun, too.

Apart from Jupiter nice aspects between Sun, Moon, Venus are also quite up on the list, especially if also conjunct an angle, the East Point or Vertex (which brings them to the foreground).

Mercury to Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter is nice, too, for enhancing interest in each other, understanding and communication.

posted August 17, 2016 09:49 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Faaaaaith... ahhh oh boy.

I feel you. (But why does he want you to hide the interest? He must be more Saturn dominant...?)

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Yes, sun trine Saturn with only 0.02° orb. Well I was a Christian when we got married and he wanted me to continue on that path, but I stopped. He hates New Age stuff same as he ever did, and doesn't want our kids learning it.

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
The Saturn/Venus = Moon thing, on our part, is so similar... he has Saturn quincunx Venus (wide). My Vemus is quintile Saturn.

He struggles because he doesn't realize that he actually wants and craves and needs a certain kind of restriction in relationship,.a heaviness and a slow growth, etc. He knows about the slow growth thing, he's a Taurus dominant person.. but cherishes the idea that love should be fun and easy, I think he actually suffers because of thinking it should be lighter than it is, because repeatedly he is involved in heavy things... but I am more comfortable with it... more creative with it... with the quintile between Saturn and Venus natally.

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That all makes so much sense!

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Our relationship is currently in dire straits,

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Good luck...

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
....and again and again we come to this impasse, he saying "why is this so haaard" and me kinda like "isn't this great? You don't know you want this but you clearly do!"... because he clearly does...

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And this all makes so much sense, too!

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Arghhh... I have been trying to decide to just let his pessimism run us off a cliff, because why should I try to convince anybody of the merits of a thing? Well... because that's part of what loving and looking out for someone is I guess...filling in the blanks where they can't see straight...

He is just so full of yods, it's crazy...

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That's how I felt about my ex that I mention a lot here. He seemed to get all confused and not know what he wanted. I genuinely felt like he needed me for grounding and focusing purposes, but he had other things in mind. Ultimately, just had to let him go live out all his crazy whims. Then as a bystander I regarded him as kinda fake and lost. But that's how he wanted to be, so...

If lust and pain is the candy...give em what they want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZkaVu7xrF4

^^ In my case, that applied. Not saying it's the same for you.

posted August 17, 2016 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

in Davison it is in Gemini in 5th house conjunct Jupiter and opposing Neptune (I think Priapus-Lilith are also sort of connected to that opposition).

Naturally that might make any realist look up and furrow their brows. lol

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Helps explain the telepathy though

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
In our case interestingly that opposition is sort of connected to Saturn (sextile and trine) and Pluto (trine and sextile), too.

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What a nice configuration!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Anyway I just realized that weirdly our first meeting chart has quite some personal planets either in the same or opposing sign as our Davison chart!

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I love it! Well the time was just right to meet then.

Interestingly, my Davison with my husband is set at October 19th, and we have a son with that birthday.

Davison sun 26.18 Libra
Son's sun 26.36 Libra

Davison moon @ 13 Cap, son's moon @ 10 Cap. Davison Mercury in Scorpio, son's Mercury in Scorpio. Davison NN in Taurus, son's NN in Taurus.

posted August 17, 2016 10:51 AM              

and yes, we could not have met at any other time I guess. lol

Actually I just noticed that last friday there was a transiting Siva-Parvati-conjunction, and when we first met transiting Siva was ALSO conjunct Parvati. lol

(BTW his Draco Siva conjuncts my tropical Parvati, they are quinkunx tropically).

posted August 17, 2016 02:08 PM              

My second longest relationship (1 year and 4 months) had Sun-Saturn, Mercury-Saturn, and Mars-Saturn both ways as well as Sun opposite Saturn in Composite. Were there difficulties? Absolutely. We never even actually made our connection into an official relationship. I spent our entire time together chasing after him in one way or another. His Saturn was tightly square my Venus in synastry too so he was very cold and unforgiving towards my Venus and Venus is my Chart ruler so you can imagine how that affect me. It was horrible.

posted August 17, 2016 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
My longest relationship (7 years) had Saturn square our Scorpio stellium in Composite (Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus). Were there difficulties? Absolutely. Our entire relationship was difficult from me not being able to date in the beginning because we were so young so we had to keep our love and relationship hidden for the first 3 years all the way down to his inability to commit to me and me pushing so hard for it. It just wasn't a healthy relationship but we did have Pluto conjunct our Scorpio stellium in Composite also so who knows.

My second longest relationship (1 year and 4 months) had Sun-Saturn, Mercury-Saturn, and Mars-Saturn both ways as well as Sun opposite Saturn in Composite. Were there difficulties? Absolutely. We never even actually made our connection into an official relationship. I spent our entire time together chasing after him in one way or another. His Saturn was tightly square my Venus in synastry too so he was very cold and unforgiving towards my Venus and Venus is my Chart ruler so you can imagine how that affect me. It was horrible.

Both relationships were very deep, intense, but very hard. I enjoy the Saturn because of the "false" security it provided, but I'd rather have hard Saturn aspects with someone I'm actually compatible with or I'll just take the easy aspects if they don't allow me to avoid staying longer than expected.

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Thank you Yanmorg!

posted August 17, 2016 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Im just interested in seeing these aspects...seeing which aspects potentially repeat in different long term relationships.

Please list how long you've known each other.
known - 36 years

How long did it take to solidify the relationship?

1 year

How long to move in together or marry?

4 years

Where there obstacles?

Yes

What were they?

I did not want to date him exclusively during first year even though he was my primary interest; he did not appreciate this! We broke up because of it for 6 months.

List all the significant saturn aspects including Juno and Vertex in synastry and composite.

Synastry

My Saturn conjunct his South Node (1)
My Saturn sextile his Moon (2)
My Saturn square his Asc (0)
My Saturn square his Ceres (1)
My SAturn opposite his BML (0)
My Saturn opposite his Uranus (3)
My Saturn sextile his Vertex (1)

His Saturn conjunct my South Node (1)
His Saturn sextile my Moon (4)
His Saturn trine my Mercury (1)
His SAturn trine my Venus (3)
His Saturn trine my Vesta (2)

Composite
Saturn conjunct South Node (1)
Saturn conjunct Moon (3)
SAturn conjunct Descendant (4)
Saturn square Neptune (2)
SAturn inc Pluto (0)

Also list how your composite saturn touches each of your natal charts.

Composite / Natal

C.Saturn sextile my Jupiter (5)
C.Saturn square my Asc (2)
C. Saturn trine my Sun (5)
C. Saturn inc my Pluto/Ceres (1/3)
C. Saturn square my Neptune (5)
C. Saturn inc his Sun/Pluto (3)
C. Saturn trine his Mars (1)
C Saturn square his Neptune (1)

***List degrees for all***

Please feel free to tell your story about how your relationship evolved and how its going today...

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