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teasel
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posted February 10, 2017 02:29 AM
  
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Nobody should feel they have to choose between sides and anybody who is making you feel that by staying you are choosing a side is toxic. You shouldn't have to choose or feel you have to, that is just self serving and manipulative if someone made you feel that way and you are letting them manipulate you if you left bc you felt you had to choose.
I don't remember anyone being told to take sides. I only recall objections to people saying that death threats were fine. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted February 10, 2017 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
On the other hand anyone who make you suggest that others are making you choose might just try to put words in those "others"' mouths. It's insulting that someone thinks you have no agency to react to someone else's command 
I did not assume that, I assumed that everyone who left did it bc they wanted to but a few people here mentioned they felt pressured to have to choose and leave and I was responding to that without making the assumptions you assumed I was making, the irony. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted February 10, 2017 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't remember anyone being told to take sides. I only recall objections to people saying that death threats were fine.
Nobody said death threats were fine and people have explained this repeatedly but people will spin communication to suit the narrative they want to see it seems. Nobody said they had to take sides but by two people leaving based on the comments some people have said here on this thread it appears they felt a pressure to take sides. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted February 10, 2017 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I did not assume that, I assumed that everyone who left did it bc they wanted to but a few people here mentioned they felt pressured to have to choose and leave and I was responding to that without making the assumptions you assumed I was making but I was not, the irony.
I wasn't talking to you
And it was obvious Yun doesn't feel pressured. She made a thread about missing some ppl, and went to great length to explain her stand Oh the irony of commenting like a good illiterate angel IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted February 10, 2017 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
I wasn't talking to you
And it was obvious Yun doesn't feel pressured. She made a thread about missing some ppl, and went to great length to explain her standOh the irony of commenting like a good illiterate angel
OK I am a good illiterate angel, label me however makes you feel good. I think Yung's thread is awesome actually and her intentions are good and my comment was merely to point out that people should not feel they have to choose and if you were not talking to me don't respond right after what I said without quoting or pointing out who you are talking to. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted February 10, 2017 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
OK I am a good illiterate angel, label me however makes you feel good. I think Yung's thread is awesome actually and her intentions are good and my comment was merely to point out that people should not feel they have to choose and if you were not talking to me don't respond right after what I said without quoting or pointing out who you are talking to.
So Yun made the entire thread explaining how she's approaching things differently ... where's the pressure? She clearly explained that her decision might be viewed as half baked but that's her choice. So somehow You decided to give an unsolicited advice to this dubious population so I thought I offer another view to those out there seeking for advice. This is me responding to you. I'm quoting you. Before that my audience was not you. I can respond to the thread whenever I want to and if it happens right after you, oops was there a rule I miss? If you're so much about inclusivity then accept that others offer competitive world views and ideas
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hypatia238
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posted February 10, 2017 03:18 AM
I dont know what is going on with us two. I think you should express your world views ofcourse even if different from mine. I guess I thought you were talking to me bc it really seemed that way and suggested you quoted who you were talking to in order to avoid misunderstandings but it's not a rule. I feel my intentions are been misunderstood, I find it empowering to realize you don't have to choose and my comment about not having to choose was in general and not addressed to anyone specifically but yes inspired by some comments I read on this thread. Yes you can disagree. Goodnight. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 10, 2017 07:11 AM
I don't remember anyone being told to take sides. I only recall objections to people saying that death threats were fine.
You were SHOWN no one "encouraged" death threats, so to keep saying it makes me wonder what is your agenda.
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Lucia23
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posted February 10, 2017 09:25 AM
I mentioned earlier in the thread that I was concerned that by staying here, I was sending the wrong message. I never felt pressured to take sides.@Randall, I'm upset that valued members were encouraged to leave with a fare-thee-well---however we interpret any of the particular content of that thread, there's been a consistent problem with inappropriate moderation, on other threads also. Some of the members who left are major contributors to the site who do a lot of community-building (happy bday threads, frequent posting, generous time and energy spent interpreting others' charts, etc). Instead of being sent on their way, the moderation problem should be cleaned up and they should be encouraged to return. I did see your comment to Ami on one thread that you felt she should have made different choices as mod (banned the disturbed member sooner), but it's a systematic problem. When one member criticizes another, a moderator should not respond with a thumbs up or "it had to be said!" She should gently redirect all participants in the thread to the topic. By staying here, I don't want to send the message that I think this is okay. IP: Logged |
athenaia
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posted February 10, 2017 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You were SHOWN no one "encouraged" death threats, so to keep saying it makes me wonder what is your agenda.
Actually you encouraged death threats. Every time the lunatic said he wished Faith and Leeloo would get hit by a car, you literally said that Faith will get whatevers coming to her, karma is real, and something bad happened to a girl that was mean to you because of karma. You also quoted some of his death threats with a thumbs up and did not stop him once. You only said he should delete the stuff because you didn't want to see him banned, not because it was distressing everyone out on the board. I know this because I was in that thread literally as it happened  IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 10, 2017 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]I don't remember anyone being told to take sides. I only recall objections to people saying that death threats were fine.
You were SHOWN no one "encouraged" death threats, so to keep saying it makes me wonder what is your agenda.
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Oh, bloody hell. There is no agenda, but thanks, Ami! As usual. Loyal to the end, right? Your obvious agenda was to have a few people chased off, but they left of their own accord. I said, that was the reason some people gave. They felt like people were agreeing with that person, and supporting the words and wishes, if the person defended them. "I wish you'd get hit by a car" isn't something I'd appreciate anyone saying to me. I deliberately stayed away from that thread, when I saw it only had a few posts, because I knew it was going to blow up, and I wanted no part in it. I left the house, and wasn't back here until it had been locked. As a moderator, you should have calmed the waters, told both sides to stop responding to the other, and called to Randall to lock the thread, if that didn't happen. That didn't happen, he kept it up, and was banned. Then you started in on people in another thread. I told you I don't hate you, but this is where you need to own your part, just as others do. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 10, 2017 12:49 PM
that was the reason some people gave.I misunderstood, teasel. I am sorry. ------------------
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MsLeora
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posted February 10, 2017 03:44 PM
Thank you for your thread. At least there's some decency shown around here for people who have left. Even if one doesn't agree with their view and practice but a wish you well on your next journey should have been said instead of mockery. Thank you. To you moderators: as a moderator you are passive with your role but aggressive with your comeback. I suggest all you moderators and the administrator should have a private subforum, if you don't have one yet, to discuss your role of how to keep the peace of this site while appropriately encouraging members to make their contribution. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 10, 2017 05:15 PM
I'm missing everyone, too. Elysia was banned, and I don't know why, since she didn't ask to be. I feel sick over it all. I don't want to be here right now, so if I disappear for a while, that's why. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 10, 2017 06:27 PM
Take care, teasel. I know you have been through many, many hard challenges in these past few months.------------------
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fireopal09
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posted February 10, 2017 10:13 PM
@V2T, Your beautiful, heartbreaking post moved me to tears. I'm doing what I can to be on the right side of history. I joined LL in 09 while going through a painful divorce and raising a small child. I needed to know what went wrong and to recalibrate my thinking. I was a lurker, but these gifted, seasoned astrologers, who recently left us, gave me insight with their posts. Twas Kismet. Now they have been run off. I'm stuck with cookie cutter supermarket tabloid tidbits.
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venus2tinkerbell
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posted February 11, 2017 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by fireopal09:
@V2T, Your beautiful, heartbreaking post moved me to tears. I'm doing what I can to be on the right side of history.
It's heart breaking, but I don't want to break your heart. I just want to help. I feel like I've already been down the road Americans are facing. I've felt these losses and fears. Authentic Islamic teachings tell Muslims to be still during these times..and there are interpretations of text that this is the last generation, or my grandchildren are the last generation of "Muslims". So, lay down and die? Yes. But UNTIL THEN LIVE YOUR LIFE. Find it's purpose and make your impression, stamp, statement in the world. Grow love in a child and your neighbor. All of it. The fight is to be a human being and not get lost in structures; religion, nationality, loyalty that does not serve us or our community. I know I'm not ever saying all of what it is I mean or want to say, but the fight is not against "the system" when we fight the system, it has a way to fight us back, but when we take it beyond soul-less things and make the fight a fight to be human, the only way to squash that is take the human life...but the point of really being yourself and being human is that being human is a spiritual practice, and I believe in the fairness and balance of the spiritual realm. Just be yourself fireopal. We have all these rules in Islam, and some of them are funny and you really have to check the authenticity of its source, but one authentic Sunnah (advice from Muhammad s.a.w) is Smile. Many of the people who left defended me and Muslims against Really hurtful and ignorant statements. I could have left a long time ago as time and time again revered moderators pushed their bigoted agendas using astrology, but my decision about this place is the same as my decision about Americans, and all people worldwide including Muslims. My life is a gift. I'm going to use it to touch whomever I can with love whenever I feel inspired. I am not contained by anything. I'll do what I want where I want, and I can say that because I trust myself..or I intend to lol. Even if I get thrown out of a place or banned from a place or locked up away in a place as long as I used my spirit while I was free I am satisfied. Because what really happened is I freed myself eternally.
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I joined LL in 09 while going through a painful divorce and raising a small child. I needed to know what went wrong and to recalibrate my thinking.
Same with me. Not the exact same circumstances, but Pluto opposite My Pluto "afflicted" Venus...the people here in their wisdom and joking have been my therapists. If you pull one of my threads from two years ago..lol. quote:
I was a lurker, but these gifted, seasoned astrologers, who recently left us, gave me insight with their posts. Twas Kismet.Now they have been run off. I'm stuck with cookie cutter supermarket tabloid tidbits.
I know what you mean. The truth is I haven't come to any great insights about what has happened. I guess I'm just hoping right now. For what I'm not sure...maybe that I stop feeling sick about this place? I'm still focused on being human..you're here. Yun is here. Lucia is here. Mirage is here. Many lovely people. There's just something...not my broken heart. Like I said I could have left a long time ago over that... Maybe it's Randall, because I see him as more than a business man and I want to understand before I make decisions.IP: Logged |
fireopal09
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posted February 11, 2017 01:55 AM
VT2Thank you so much for replying to me. I have friends who are Muslim. I'm an atheist, but I respect people who do have a belief system. What I have no use for is dogma and dogma inspired cruelty. We are on the same page there. I'll look out for you when I can. ------------------
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fireopal09
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posted February 11, 2017 02:03 AM
Aww, fUmmm it, I'm gonna check in with you everyday V2T3H Scorpio Mercury opposes 9H Taurus Mars. Your sort of stuck with me. ------------------
Claire
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soren
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posted February 11, 2017 02:13 AM
🐬 :) IP: Logged |
fireopal09
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posted February 11, 2017 02:25 AM
Okie dokie, Pumpkin.IP: Logged |
soren
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posted February 11, 2017 02:42 AM
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@Lucia and Athenia; i just skimmed over all the minsanry & sense of superiority posts and there was no thumbs up coming from ami. but you both said she was saying that. thanks for the exageration. there was only hearts. i'll let you know i've smashed my house's stuff and one guy came to me and said *WHAT THE *** ARE YOU DOING!?" and it just made me hate him and dislike him. he didn't understand me. another time i smashed something else (this was at my worst time pretty much) and a different person came to me, he just standed in front of me and was smilling. he knew to just love me and he made me feel better. so it's your own interpretation of what those hearts meant. but they werent "thumbs up" i ensure you. edit: luciana said she didn't mean it related to what i thought finally:
"Give us some credit. We're not teenagers arguing with each other, unable to see the other point of view. We HAVE. Repeatedly. And in return, we've been dealt nothing but vileness, meanness and attack after attack. Does your Libra venus think THAT is fair?" We have witnessed attacks too. Sorry but equal reactions happened. Just because you don't think they were attacks; does not mean they did not seem it. I will admit mine and others on my team may have seemed to do attacks. So I am not overly biased. If you want to be too; then you'd do the same. I know they didn't "feel" like attacks from you. Maybe they were defenses. And I only recall defending myself as well. You say you took the time to see it from other's perspectives; well if you truly had; you'd understand that we are just as bad as you. We did equally wrong. We felt attacked too. Just as you did. Neither of us rose above it.
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fireopal09
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posted February 11, 2017 02:49 AM
Okie dokie, Pumpkin.IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell
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posted February 11, 2017 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by fireopal09:
Aww, fUmmm it, I'm gonna check in with you everyday V2T3H Scorpio Mercury opposes 9H Taurus Mars. Your sort of stuck with me.
Sufis love atheists because they are usually already free. Sufis have to work hard with religious people..and I don't mean to convert them to Islam- just to talk to and share ideas with.My Taurus Moon loves Scorpio and Taurus everything, even Saturn... I'm stuck with you? I wonder what in my chart loves those words. Taurus, Cancer, both? Let's make a deal. I'll be back (iA) next full moon. I'll be looking for you.
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Lucia23
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posted February 11, 2017 10:34 AM
In my comments on the moderation problems, i'm not just referring to the Misandy thread or whatever---the main time it really struck me was on Nordicsoul's thread about the misuses of astrology. Someone (I think Nordicsoul) said some things that were very critical of faith personally (that she was judgemental etc). They were not about the thread topic or about ANY astrology topic. Ami, who made no astrological comments on the thread, quoted the post and said "Well said, 100% correct and needs to be said." It's an issue that has shown up in MANY threads in varying topics--a moderator's role should be shut down exactly that kind of personal attack tangent. I think Faith herself (who I respect very much), said on that thread that the tread was judgemental-----a good and appropriate moderator would have shut that down, too!!! Saying to the user who accused Faith of being judgmental: "Let's keep this thread to the discussion topic--astrology--and remember the forum guidelines, please." And saying to Faith, when she said the thread was judgemental, "Let's keep this thread to the discussion topic--astrology--and remember the forum guidelines, please."To me, it's a letter-versus-spirit thing---whether it's a thumbs up emoji or a heart emoji, whether it's "I hope you get hit by a car" or "I plan to hit you with a car"-----the *spirit* of Ami's role in various threads has been to support criticism of Faith and to support personally targeted comments, at the expense of keeping the discussion on topic and upholding the forum guidelines. I'm not "against" Ami, my fellow Cancer mooner, who, like Faith and many others, stepped forward to offer me comfort at a hard time. I don't think Ami condones death threats---I DO think she condones and supports statements that are critical of Faith, responding with comments like the one I quoted above, and this has made her unable to serve the role of moderator. Like Faith, Ceri and the others who left who many of us deeply value and support, Ami has a bunch of supporters on Lindaland. I think Ami should say here in the community but step down as a moderator--a truly moderate and neutral moderator should step in, who can resist the urge to "thumbs up" (in letter or spirit) off-topic targeted comments on other posters. I hope Randall (together with Ami) will fix this moderation problem, and the people who have left will be encouraged to return. I've tried to stay off of the religious and political threads, here and in my offline life, because when I get political I get shrill and divisive and it doesn't help anyone. So V2T  , my comments on how the site is moderated aren't taking those threads into account. If I read them, I think I'd be feeling so angry-----instead, i'm going to try to really take to heart everything you've said in this thread, and put it into action and practice in offline life. IP: Logged |
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