posted July 31, 2017 01:56 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes there are all these variables, I guess you can say that Venus conjunct Ascendant can be a great indicator for attraction but other factors may complicate this and is not always straight forward like this, there are exceptions!

Great brainstorming there..

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Exactly, it's an indicator. Just like every individual planet placement and aspects between them in the natal are an indicator, but the picture is not formed until you perceive the whole.

Synastry cannot be viewed on its own. The needs of the natal have to be considered before the effects of the synastry can be truly determined.

I wonder if your Mars being conjunct your Venus has some impact? I know I don't like other people's Mars on my Asc. It feels like I am constantly in a power struggle with these people. If you look at my natal there would be a trine from their Mars to my Venus which is superb, but it also squares my Pluto. Pluto does not like to be challenged in terms of power, but boy does he like to obsess over Venus!

posted July 31, 2017 02:34 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I dont know, this guy who has sun, venus and pluto in scorpio is super super super into me and I have scorpio rising, I am big time his type and I really dig him too.

IDK...I need to keep looking into this.

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posted July 31, 2017 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
I have to stress again how much I truly love and adore this aspect.
I feel like I'm dripping with Venusian beauty whenever he and I are in contact. He brings out so much feminine in me it's ridiculous. To the point where I do not for a moment have to question how attracted he is to me and that's something that doesn't come along every day. He said the other night that I'm so beautiful and sexy it hurts. I'm in love with how this feels on me. His eyes say it all.
In comparison, my mars is aspected heavily by another guy I was involved with. I didn't like that so much, I felt too overpowering or something. Whereas now I've never felt so damn feminine and beautiful in someone else's eyes.

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It just goes to show you how one person can perceive an aspect or type of aspect completely different than another person. I actually don't like Venus synastry much (except for Moon Venus...that's awesome...but I also have the Trine in my natal) and I have my Venus in Taurus (natural ruler). The reason I don't like it is for the exact reason above. Whenever someone makes a strong aspect to my Venus or theirs in particular via Conjunction or Opp and they are a guy I'm literally a piece of meat. I'm pretty and or appealing and that is it. Basically it's all very superficial, and my appearance in one way or the other is highlighted. And it's one of those things where they constantly tell me I'm beautiful or gorgeous etc but it's shallow. There isn't much to it. And to be honest Venus isn't a deep planet and the Venus ideal can have a large amount of people fit the Venusian ideal so any shallowness is understandable.

I met a guy last year who had his Venus in Cancer Conjunct my Sun/Asc/Mars and he would always tell me how pretty I was. It got to the point where yes, I knew he found me attractive. But that's not all I am. I appreciated all the attention and for a bit reciprocated to an extent but lost interest after we got in a relationship when there was no chase (Mars in 1st), and I didn't feel a connection (he had an Aqua Moon and Mars in Virgo...my Sun and Mars are in the 1st...I need a strong man).

And this has happened to me even when I'm Venus and the other person is the planet person (I won't say this occurs with soft aspects as that doesn't create to me immediate notice or dislike like the Square). I dated a triple Gemini who had his Mars on my Venus and he would always tell me how gorgeous, and sexy he thought I was. He literally only cared about how I looked.

I also have this both ways of sorts with my bf. My Venus in Taurus is on his Rising in Taurus exact (which to be honest I don't feel on a physical level except for the fact that all the things I like to do or enjoy he he likes them as well). His own Venus is in Aries, and my Mars in the 1st is Conjunct both my Sun and Asc. Again my appearance is a big deal in our relationship. He literally thinks of me as a trophy.

posted July 31, 2017 05:25 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Yeah I can see how that would happen feeling like a piece of meat if other aspects are lacking for suuuuure.
Luckily we have other aspects like moon conjunct asc to give all the beautiful heart feels ♥️

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posted July 31, 2017 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:

Wait hypatia...aren't you married to a Libra? I don't want to come off nosy lol...but I am quite sure we had a bit of a debate about marriage and Venus Uranus/Mars Uranus types...I'm pretty sure it was you. And didn't you also have a thing with another guy where you felt your souls kiss or something like that...it was in the Pluto Moon topic. Is this the same guy? Or am I confusing you with someone else (or more than one person)? If not then ignore this lol.

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Yes I am her, this is someone new I met, I let go of the guy with whom our souls kiss (during our last conversation I told you I let go of him, I really did do that), I kept referring to him as a crush for a reason, I had a feeling it would be a fleeting thing. I think I was infatuated although I truly cared for him.

With this new guy I have a very pure connection with, I have never experienced this before, not even with my ex, its so innocent and pure, we bring the best out of each other, very joyful and blissful. In composite we have Venus conjunct Jupiter conjunct Southnode on our Ascendant opposing Moon on the DC forming a tsquare with Neptune conjunct IC conjunct Amor.In Davison, our northonde conjuncts our AC exact and Neptune our MC so reversed.

We have Sun conjunct Venus quintile Venus conjunct Mars. His Mars also quintiles my Venus conjunct Mars. He has venus biquintile mars. Essentially we have a venus to mars double whammy involving quintiles and a venus to venus quintile and a mars to mars quintile.

We have Eros contraparallel Psyche. My Eros conjuncts his Southnode, his Psyche conjuncts exact my Northnode.

We have Sun contraparallel pluto and sun conjunc pluto widely, we have his Pluto conjunct my AC and his Sun, Venus and Pluto are all in the same sign as my Ascendant. We have venus square pluto widely.

We have Adam conjunct Eva in our composite and in our progressed composite Adam conjuncts Eva exact.

His agapenor and Ceres conjunct my Sun. Our connection feels like pure unconditional love, very pure and innocent.

posted July 31, 2017 11:42 AM            

The ascendant is very instinctual, is how you react immediately to your environment, is not just how you look.

The sun sign is qualities we develop in this lifetime and as we get older become more like our Sun sign.

posted July 31, 2017 02:21 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes I am her, this is someone new I met, I let go of the guy with whom our souls kiss (during our last conversation I told you I let go of him, I really did do that), I kept referring to him as a crush for a reason, I had a feeling it would be a fleeting thing. I think I was infatuated although I truly cared for him.

With this new guy I have a very pure connection with, I have never experienced this before, not even with my ex, its so innocent and pure, we bring the best out of each other, very joyful and blissful. In composite we have Venus conjunct Jupiter conjunct Southnode on our Ascendant opposing Moon on the DC forming a tsquare with Neptune conjunct IC conjunct Amor.In Davison, our northonde conjuncts our AC exact and Neptune our MC so reversed.

We have Sun conjunct Venus quintile Venus conjunct Mars. His Mars also quintiles my Venus conjunct Mars. He has venus biquintile mars. Essentially we have a venus to mars double whammy involving quintiles and a venus to venus quintile and a mars to mars quintile.

We have Eros contraparallel Psyche. My Eros conjuncts his Southnode, his Psyche conjuncts exact my Northnode.

We have Sun contraparallel pluto and sun conjunc pluto widely, we have his Pluto conjunct my AC and his Sun, Venus and Pluto are all in the same sign as my Ascendant. We have venus square pluto widely.

We have Adam conjunct Eva in our composite and in our progressed composite Adam conjuncts Eva exact.

His agapenor and Ceres conjunct my Sun. Our connection feels like pure unconditional love, very pure and innocent.

Also this is the first time I meet someone that I feel compatible with in every way, I didn't think that was possible, that has never happened before.

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Aww!!! So wait what are you going to do? I'm curious about how this is going on in your life (we don't have to talk about it on here...I know you're a Scorpio Rising). I will say this...as a Scorpio Rising (or any Water Rising, Moon or heavy Water etc) truly feeling emotionally connected and truly feeling that undefineable thing or that someone is right or fits is what makes life worth living and is something you just "know"...hopefully that makes sense lol...it does in my Cancer Sun/Asc/Mars head. As a side with the Libra I talked about I felt what I think you are talking about...but my practical Cap Moon had and or has a difficult time understanding. Again, I'm hoping I make sense lol.

posted July 31, 2017 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Also the ascendant is not just how you appear. Every time I meet someone with Virgo rising I feel they are WAY more virgo than me! I love virgo rising.

The ascendant is very instinctual, is how you react immediately to your environment, is not just how you look.

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You know when you say this it does make much much more sense that a man or person might not really be drawn to the placement per se but perhaps the energy that the aspect brings (hopefully that makes sense). For instance I myself am a Cancer Sun/Asc/Mars in the 1st Conjunct so instead of being drawn to Cancer type men (which they like me...I don't like them as they are FAR too weak) is false. I would be more drawn to a Martian and or Solar man. Who might have Aries or Scorpio placements (Mars ruler). Or have his Asc touching his Mars.

The same exists about a man who might have a Pisces Venus. Obviously he doesn't find EVERY Pisces Rising woman attractive (in a general way perhaps he does). But perhaps his strongest attraction might be to an Asc Conjunct Neptune person. Because the Asc is how you react, so no matter what her Rising is she reacts in a very pure Neptune like way.

posted August 02, 2017 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
So right Hypatia, I completely agree. It's not just about how you look.
I was thinking that with this aspect, he tends to see into me, not just externally. He sees the beauty beneath the surface, probably due to all of his Scorpio. But he has told me of the beauty that exudes from me internally, like a self assurance and a fire in my eyes. How I've changed over the years and grown as a woman so much from the person he met 10 years ago. It's like he peers right into my soul. I believe asc conjunct venus may also have this effect. This is why I personally don't feel like a piece of meat. If I did I wouldn't be wasting my time 🙈

Edit: Hypatia your new rel sounds lovely with such beautiful aspects! I hadn't read your post properly due to severe jet lag last night lol. I'm in the U.S now yipeeeeee! 💗✨

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If I start to quote our conversations and what we have said to each other you guys will melt but one of the many things he said to me today is "your body and soul are perfect."

Yes I am his type physically but I am his type soul wise too...

There is an affinity in all levels which has never happened to me; intellectually, spiritually, emotionally and physically. Even though there is physical attraction we keep describing what we feel as very pure and innocent, we keep using the word "safe" a lot, "I feel so safe with you." He also said "like finding a lost joy".

He has Sun, Mercury, Venus and Pluto in Scorpio but Pluto is the last dispositor of that stellium and is his pluto that conjuncts my Ascendant. Further his Pluto and mercury sextile my mercury (ruler of the 8th) so there is great communication between us and intellectual compatibility.

Like with your guy we keep getting lost in each other's eyes, he had a dream just last night of getting lost in my eyes..He really likes how I look at him lol

There are a lot of similarities with things you have mentioned with your guy and us lol.

posted August 04, 2017 11:11 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
If I start to quote our conversations and what we have said to each other you guys will melt but one of the many things he said to me today is "your body and soul are perfect."

Yes I am his type physically but I am his type soul wise too...

There is an affinity in all levels which has never happened to me; intellectually, spiritually, emotionally and physically. Even though there is physical attraction we keep describing what we feel as very pure and innocent, we keep using the word "safe" a lot, "I feel so safe with you." He also said "like finding a lost joy".

He has Sun, Mercury, Venus and Pluto in Scorpio but Pluto is the last dispositor of that stellium and is his pluto that conjuncts my Ascendant. Further his Pluto and mercury sextile my mercury (ruler of the 8th) so there is great communication between us and intellectual compatibility.

Like with your guy we keep getting lost in each other's eyes, he had a dream just last night of getting lost in my eyes..He really likes how I look at him lol

There are a lot of similarities with things you have mentioned with your guy and us lol.

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posted August 09, 2017 12:11 PM            

With the second woman she had about 4 harmonious contacts to his Mars and immediately I could see that he would feel appreciated, manly and sexy around her. The fact that he didn’t have a lot of Venus implied to me that he wouldn’t fall in love.

So I do think it’s about balance, but these days with men being emasculated and confused by feminism and girl power (this is no complaint, just observation) they’re not so sure about making the first move. Definitely they need to feel their Mars is welcomed and appreciated on the whole, the more bolshy guys won’t care but….few of us want a guy who chats up the world. Most of us want to feel special and valued.

Very interesting work you’ve done there anyway…. Kudos

posted August 17, 2017 03:06 AM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Just wanted to say Grlygirl that I think all your research on men seeking out their Mars signs via attraction is fascinating. It kind of ties in with some synastry comparisons I was doing last night – with the first (a recent girlfriend of two years) the guy had a lot of Venus aspects with the woman but the only Mars aspect was her Pluto squaring. I thought, “nah she’s squashing his manliness, he can’t stay in that relationship long-term and remain a *man*”.

With the second woman she had about 4 harmonious contacts to his Mars and immediately I could see that he would feel appreciated, manly and sexy around her. The fact that he didn’t have a lot of Venus implied to me that he wouldn’t fall in love.

So I do think it’s about balance, but these days with men being emasculated and confused by feminism and girl power (this is no complaint, just observation) they’re not so sure about making the first move. Definitely they need to feel their Mars is welcomed and appreciated on the whole, the more bolshy guys won’t care but….few of us want a guy who chats up the world. Most of us want to feel special and valued.

Very interesting work you’ve done there anyway…. Kudos

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Thanks!! You know it's a work in progress...I thought about this topic and wondered if I'm wrong in terms of perhaps the men had their Venus, but represented in a different way than Venus-Asc.

For instance let's say (hypotthetically) I'm dating a man who has his Venus in Sag and Mars in Scorpio. Perhaps I might aspect his Mars by my (actual) Cancer Sun/Asc/Mars. But I have nothing in Sag or Fire (his Venus) in nothing other than my Mercury in Leo. But lets say my Asc in Cancer is Conjunct Jupiter (it isn't)...would that make him see me as fitting his ideal...and cause him to find me beautiful. Or the other way.

I was wondering if this is what is causing some men to fall and maybe I didn't see it because I don't know woman's Asc and stuff Conjunct her (or the other's) Asc.

I am thinking of looking at celebrities and seeing if this theory holds weight. I actually wondering if it's legit, because no matter what the sign is the planet would show a purer concentration of that planet and what it represents (this is my understanding, if I'm wrong please correct me). An example is a Pisces Sun doesn't always have to be dreamy and an escapist, but a Sun Conjunct Neptune person (no matter what) has the strong qualities of Neptune.

I have three examples of this that I included in my case studies.

- My current bf who I included above has his Venus in Aries. I have nothing in Aries. But my Sun/Mars and Conjunct in the 1st and Conjunct my Asc.

- I have a Pisces Sun/Aries Venus/Moon guy who thought I was gorgeous and would tell me all the time. Again I have the same stuff that I listed above. He also had a Cancer Mars...and I have my Cancer Sun/Asc/Mars in the 1st all Conjunct.

- And finally I've spoken about a Libra guy I adore to bits and pieces. He has a Leo Venus and we're friends (I admit it I am smitten by him lol) but there is no mistaking he finds me quite attractive (between him being his moody and avoidant self if I don't pay attention to him...he's a Cancer Moon lol) and stares at me. I have nothing in Leo other than my Mercury. I do have my Cancer Sun in the 1st Conjunct my Asc.

posted August 17, 2017 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
What's the orb used for this conjunction? Is 9 degrees too wide of an orb for it to count?

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Since is an angle and a conjunction I think it can be felt up to a 10d orb but everyone has different opinions on this. Asthotheme goes by these orbs in synastry..

Orbs used for compatibility charts: