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ChildofVenus
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posted September 20, 2017 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do think Moon square/opposition Saturn is bad. I would think that the conjunction, trine and sextile is easier.

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posted September 26, 2017 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not bad. Challenging.

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posted September 26, 2017 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Not bad. Challenging.

But wouldn't the conjunction be stronger than the square?

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posted September 27, 2017 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A lot of people think a "hard" aspect means bad. But conjunctions are POTENT aspects. That's why they are called "hard aspects". They are not generally bad.

Saturn conjunct moon is more potent than the opposition... but it's usually considered positive. Moon is the least stable planet and Saturn is the most stable. The moon person feels very safe with the Saturn person because Saturn stabalizes the moon's crazy emotions.

One must see how the individuals moons and saturns are aspected to know the result, but overall it is a good conjunction to have in a relationship.

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posted September 27, 2017 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manderin:
A lot of people think a "hard" aspect means bad. But conjunctions are POTENT aspects. That's why they are called "hard aspects". They are not generally bad.

Saturn conjunct moon is more potent than the opposition... but it's usually considered positive. Moon is the least stable planet and Saturn is the most stable. The moon person feels very safe with the Saturn person because Saturn stabalizes the moon's crazy emotions.

One must see how the individuals moons and saturns are aspected to know the result, but overall it is a good conjunction to have in a relationship.



I don't mean for a romance relationship I mean for friendship.

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posted September 27, 2017 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which is more binding in synastry? Moon conjunct Saturn, Venus conjunct Saturn or Venus square Saturn? I've read that Venus square Saturn is really binding.

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posted September 28, 2017 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestasLight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Which is more binding in synastry? Moon conjunct Saturn, Venus conjunct Saturn or Venus square Saturn? I've read that Venus square Saturn is really binding.

Only from my own personal experience, haven't had any Saturn/Venus connection in romantic relationships last more than a year.:/

It didn't matter who was Saturn, it just seem to stifle the love... (And I have quite a lot of Saturn in my chart, including a Cappy moon) But for whatever reason, that combo just doesn't work out for me romantically. Moon/Saturn has been very binding though in most cases.

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posted October 11, 2017 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So really the conjunction would be more potent than the square?

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posted October 11, 2017 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for psytaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally like the Moon/Saturn conjunction. I have it with a friend of mine of almost a decade (she's the moon and I'm the Saturn) and I've gotta say I've never felt contempt towards her emotional outbursts. I think the key to succes lays in Saturn's hands and it strongly depends how secure and self aware they are. Otherwise they're reaction to Noon's plights might come as a surprise to them. Strangely enough even though we had each other's back and we helped one another when we were in trouble, she still considers me, the Saturn, fickle. Go figure.

I've also been the Moon person. Once with a guy who has Saturn conjunct Sun natally so in synastry we have Sun/Moon/Saturn. We started working together 3 years ago and we clicked right away. He is pretty mature and reliable despite being younger than myself. And I always felt comfortable around him so we always kept in touch even after he was relegated somewhere else.
I actually feel confortable in his presence and I like talking to him.

The second guy I've also met through work 3 months ago. He has natally Saturn opposite Venus & trine Mars. He can be a drama queen and a show off sometimes, but he is also pretty hard working and dedicated guy. We went out a few times but I didn't feel that much of connection, we're quite different people.

So all in all for me Saturn conjunct Moon proved to be a good thing.
Saturn square Moon is a different story altogether. The awkwardness and the heavyness that I felt when Saturn was squaring my moon was unbearable. I couldn't even stand being around the guy. I can't imagine befriending someone with this aspect, too cold and weird. Shudder

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posted October 12, 2017 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by psytaurus:
I personally like the Moon/Saturn conjunction. I have it with a friend of mine of almost a decade (she's the moon and I'm the Saturn) and I've gotta say I've never felt contempt towards her emotional outbursts. I think the key to succes lays in Saturn's hands and it strongly depends how secure and self aware they are. Otherwise they're reaction to Noon's plights might come as a surprise to them. Strangely enough even though we had each other's back and we helped one another when we were in trouble, she still considers me, the Saturn, fickle. Go figure.

I've also been the Moon person. Once with a guy who has Saturn conjunct Sun natally so in synastry we have Sun/Moon/Saturn. We started working together 3 years ago and we clicked right away. He is pretty mature and reliable despite being younger than myself. And I always felt comfortable around him so we always kept in touch even after he was relegated somewhere else.
I actually feel confortable in his presence and I like talking to him.

The second guy I've also met through work 3 months ago. He has natally Saturn opposite Venus & trine Mars. He can be a drama queen and a show off sometimes, but he is also pretty hard working and dedicated guy. We went out a few times but I didn't feel that much of connection, we're quite different people.

So all in all for me Saturn conjunct Moon proved to be a good thing.
Saturn square Moon is a different story altogether. The awkwardness and the heavyness that I felt when Saturn was squaring my moon was unbearable. I couldn't even stand being around the guy. I can't imagine befriending someone with this aspect, too cold and weird. Shudder


Thanks for sharing I often wonder if Sun conjunct Saturn would be more potent in synastry than Moon/Saturn. But then I read that the Moon is our needs and how we express ourselves etc. So I guess it would probably be better to have Moon/Saturn over Sun/Saturn. Also I agree with you about Saturn being responsible for how things play out with this aspect.

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posted October 14, 2017 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
psytaurus when you say there wasn't a connection what do you mean? Was there sexual chemistry? He's not someone who you would want to date? Were you not interested in the things he liked? I just mean isn't there usually some kind of connection when Moon/Saturn aspects are involved?

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posted October 14, 2017 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 31, 2017 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 10, 2018 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 8ofHearts     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this with my next door neighbor who is a widower whom I adore. It's mutual. ;} His Saturn in Scorpio conjunct my Moon (2'orb) and opp my Mars (2').

He's 19 years older (our North Nodes are conj in Capricorn) and he is always looking out for me with household things and checking up on me. It's quite adorable. He always says "if you need anything. I'm watching out for you..." I know he has a crush on me too - It's sweet and I feel quite safe around him.

We have a lot of other Uranian type connections to make it sparkier. His Sun/Neptune are conj my Sun/Moon MP, his Moon/Uranus/Jupiter conj square my Sun/Moon MP, his Mars also squares it.
As mentioned, we share the same north node. My Mercury/Uranus SO/MO MP is exactly conj his Sun. (Merc is my chart ruler.)
Could see us being friends for a long long time.

My Saturn/South Node/MC/ is conjunct my lifetime best friend's moon. But then again we're 10 days apart so she has Saturn/Moon natally also. ;}

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posted March 11, 2018 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In terms of Venus square Saturn mentioned above, I had that with my ex of 10 years. That’s right 10 years!!!! So it’s not all doom and gloom.

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posted March 11, 2018 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 8ofHearts     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EmGem, glad to hear that Venus square Saturn can actually work. Not sure who was Venus and who was Saturn and what the signs/house placements were but I assume you had other things helped in the synastry?
I have Saturn square Pluto natally on my angles/nodal axis so...although I've attracted all 4 Cardinal Venus/Moon signs (the conjunction/opposition & both squares) receiving hard aspects from both Saturn and Pluto puts a lot of pressure on the guy's Moon/Venus.

Seems like it's better for the man's Saturn to connect to me. Usually, it's my Moon/Mars opposition but sometimes it's my Venus which doesn't have any natal oppositions or squares.

For what it's worth, in Vedic astrology, Saturn actually gets along with Venus and is exalted in Libra. It's friends with Mercury and Venus, neutral with Jupiter and enemies of Sun/Moon/Mars. (The 3 planets it seems most entangled with in synastry. Karma? Go figure!)
I do think Saturn does ok with the Moon too as the moon is notoriously wobbly so...it can use stabilizing.
This is obviously hetero-geared - sorry! - but Vedic astrologers like Sam Geppi recommend that a man's Saturn contact the woman's Venus (rather than vice/versa) because of the authoritarian nature of Saturn and the flow of male/female polarity. (Women/yin quality is typically are looking to relax into authority and consistency (yang)). If they are the Saturn, they become the leader which can wear on them over time. If it goes both ways, I guess we have the quintessential modern relationship that the Pluto in Libra generation seeks.

Sam Geppi's video on Saturn with other planets in synastry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FN_DiBU4k

My longest relationships actually had Saturn in Gem in my 9th inconjunct either my Venus or Moon in Scorp w/ trines to other Libra conjunctions in my 1st.

I do think the Saturn person pins the planet person down (at least initially) so...you want mutual aspects going both ways as well as something lighter like Jupiter or Uranus to add lightness/spark & of course, a good outcome in the composite/Davison which tends to have the last word.
Last time, the guys's Saturn was conjunct my Mars in my 8th, opposite my Moon AND inconjunct my Sun/Pluto. Heavy. My Saturn was only loosely opposite his Mars & sextile his ASC & Saturn but no other personal/love planets. He had much more of a hold over me b/c the influence wasn't even & while I usually am quite feisty & independent, I settled down naturally around him and felt comfortable taking his lead.

For long term/everyday relationships, Saturn has to go somewhere but some spots are definitely easier than others!


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posted March 15, 2018 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by areesquivel:
Can I ask in what sign and house? the guy I'm seeing has this aspect natal and oh boy my triple water Sun/ASC/Moon is having a hard time getting his feelings out.

Hi Areesquivel, I have an out of sign conjunction, Saturn at 28 Gemini, conjunct Moon 2 Cancer both in the 9th House. Saturn rules my IC and Moon my MC though, so they have a lot of say in my chart. Fortunately they also fall into a grand trine in my chart.

Where is his Moon-Saturn conjunction? I have a cavalcade of Moon-Saturn friends as it goes, and whilst I recognise them (and they me, judging by the fact that they're in my life) I also can see how it functions differently by sign, aspect house etc. I'm actually quite emotionally open verbally, but I don't let people in easily and I struggle to rely on, or depend on anybody but myself. :-)

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posted March 15, 2018 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrandFireT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
QUOTE]Originally posted by VestasLight:
Only from my own personal experience, haven't had any Saturn/Venus connection in romantic relationships last more than a year.:/

It didn't matter who was Saturn, it just seem to stifle the love... (And I have quite a lot of Saturn in my chart, including a Cappy moon) But for whatever reason, that combo just doesn't work out for me romantically.
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Male reporting here. My experiences repeat those of Vestas for Venus/Saturn conjunctions in male/female romance. The ones I've experienced (as Venus) were about as much fun as a trip to the dentist.

As a male Taurus Saturn, conjunctions with Bull Moon women never worked for me either, though it looked at first like they might. One female proved to be a closet alcoholic with a wicked temper, the other a love-starved Leo girl whose top priority waffled between money and romance, money eventually taking first place.

My impression is that party-pooper Saturn, while possibly of a sympathetic disposition when conjunct another individual's personal planets, is probably too cold, too slow and too undemonstrative for the sensitive Moon or Venus child.

It strikes me that such contacts require sweet chemistry from other quarters if a relationship is going to make it in the long haul.

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posted March 22, 2018 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 8ofHearts     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think whether a Venus/Saturn or Moon/Saturn connection is going to work - you have to check the signs/house placement and and also chart resonances.

For instance
Saturn in Cancer in 10th w/ following natal aspects:

Sun/Pluto in 1st Square Saturn in 10th (Sun/Pluto/Mars/Saturn)
Saturn in 10th sextile Mars in 8th (Saturn/Mars/Pluto)
Saturn conj MC (opp IC) as apex of yod (Saturn/Sun/Moon)
(Saturn inconjunct Neptune in 3rd & Jupiter 9th) (Saturn/Jup/Neptune/Mercury)
Saturn in 10th sesqui-quadrate Venus in 2nd (Saturn/Venus)

Attracts:
Saturn in Cancer in 10th (same)
Moon in Capricorn in my 4th
Saturn in Taurus in 8th (either conj Mars & opp Moon) or opposite Venus
Saturn in Scorpio conj Moon & opp Mars or Venus
Saturn in Gemini in 9th inconjunt Moon or Venus and making soft trines to my Sun/ASC/Pluto in Libra OR, my Mercury/Uranus later in Libra in 1st (ME is chart ruler on top of Sun/Moon midpoint, Uranus ruler of 5th.)
Saturn 12'30-15' Gemini = Scorpio duad, Leo duad #5
Saturn 17'30-20' Gemini = Cap duad, Scorp duad #8 and so even though they're inconjunct, they function underneath just like Saturn conj either Moon or Venus in Scorpio.
(See Alice Portmans's work on Duads and Duad Chart.)

Occasionally I also get Saturn in Aries (Saturn/Mars again) in my 7th opposing either my Sun/Pluto/ASC OR the Mercury/Uranus conj later in 1st.

It is pretty much always one of the above placements.

Just an example. It always going to be case-by-case as to how and where someone else's Saturn connects to your chart in a tolerable/sticky way. It goes beyond planetary synastry - you have to look at chart mirroring (either twin aspects or lock & key) check house placements as well as duad degrees in your charts to understand the full range of what you unconsciously seeking.

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posted March 22, 2018 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With Moon sextile Saturn is it easier to handle? And does the Saturn person tend to cater to the Moon person?

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posted March 22, 2018 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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With Moon sextile Saturn is it easier to handle? And does the Saturn person tend to cater to the Moon person?

Saturn is boss unless submissive.

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Saturn is boss unless submissive.

Agreed. Saturn is usually boss. Sextile is definitely easier to handle but not nearly as sticky. If you have soft aspects, you need a lot more of them & to significant planets typically to create the same impact of a hard aspect.

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posted March 22, 2018 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Agreed. Saturn is usually boss. Sextile is definitely easier to handle but not nearly as sticky. If you have soft aspects, you need a lot more of them & to significant planets typically to create the same impact of a hard aspect.

I never would have thought of it when young, but as I aged, I was surprised how many women get turned on to be submissive. Even if they are tough and have high powered positions. I guess it helps them relieve stress. Of course, the opposite occurs also. LOL

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