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margym0o
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posted June 22, 2018 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or at least what I think to be true about astrology.

Long story short - met through friends, been married for 4 years, at least 8-9 years as a couple altogether, have 2 children now...everything seems ok?! The synastry/comp. just seem so...blah. The Venus-Mars-Neptune t-square jumped out at me though.

What gives?!

His birth time is correct, hers is pretty much correct (she is inside)...

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posted June 22, 2018 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weíre the orbs reduced? So many unaspected planets. Thatís crazy.

Iíve always been a fan of north node conjunctions.

I like how the composite Moon trines the Composite Venus. Itís a very sweet aspect to have, especially in the sign Taurus.

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posted June 22, 2018 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Weíre the orbs reduced? So many unaspected planets. Thatís crazy.

Iíve always been a fan of north node conjunctions.


I know! Nothing was adjusted.

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posted June 25, 2018 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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hypatia238
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posted June 25, 2018 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Composite tsquares are ridiculously powerful IMO.

1. We fell in love: composite Venus opposite Moon forming tsquare with Neptune conjunct agapenor exact. Neptune the higher octave of venus at the apex of tsquare.

2. He fell in love: composite venus conjunct jupiter and southnode all opposite moon forming a tsquare with Neptune conjunct AMOR.

3. I feel we are both falling in love: composite venus opposite moon forming a tsquare with Neptune conjunct Amor. Plus venus conjunct Jupiter, Jupiter conjunct Southnode.

I cannot emphasize enough that tsquares are very powerful in composites, I feel them hard, more so than kites.

That couple has a beautiful tsquare between venus opposite Mars with Neptune at the apex of tsquare and then this astrological pattern is connected to a second astrological pattern as the composite moon is at the point of thales of that venus opposite mars (trining and sextiling that lovely opposition). When two astrological patterns interconnect like that, this is very powerful. Add Pluto on the MC forming a sextile to Neptune the apex of the tsquare. See all the connections attaching themselves to that tsquare?

As for the synastry the house overlay is nice, Sun/Mars/Northnode on the other person's 5th house square their moon and trine their sun in the 8th. Venus conjunct Moon in Leo in the 8th on the other person's 7th house is an aspect conducive to marriage. Venus conjunct Saturn on their 11th also binding. But to comment more on the synastry I would need the wheel that shows you the placements and degrees at the bottom, there could important minor aspects at play.

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posted June 25, 2018 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't really see what you are seeing. These aren't bland at all. It's a pretty decent synastry and composite in my opinion. I have seen way worse/more boring. I see there's lots of nice placements going on, though I haven't checked the aspects yet. Though I obviously don't know them in real life and probably never will, I wouldn't say this relationship challenges astrology based off of their synastry and composite. It pretty much validates astrology imo

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posted June 25, 2018 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If her birthtime is right, she is definitely in love with him. His moon/venus in her 7th and sun and mars in her 5th is very powerful for attraction on her side.
The only weird thing is she doesnít really activate any of his relationship or attraction houses, besides having her mars in his 1st house.

Is she significantly more attractive than him?

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posted June 25, 2018 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her moon falls into his 3rd. Dsc ruler is gemini. That's significant.

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posted June 25, 2018 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Composite tsquares are ridiculously powerful IMO.

1. We fell in love: composite Venus opposite Moon forming tsquare with Neptune conjunct agapenor exact. Neptune the higher octave of venus at the apex of tsquare.

2. He fell in love: composite venus conjunct jupiter and southnode all opposite moon forming a tsquare with Neptune conjunct AMOR.

3. I feel we are both falling in love: composite venus opposite moon forming a tsquare with Neptune conjunct Amor. Plus venus conjunct Jupiter, Jupiter conjunct Southnode.

I cannot emphasize enough that tsquares are very powerful in composites, I feel them hard, more so than kites.

That couple has a beautiful tsquare between venus opposite Mars with Neptune at the apex of tsquare and then this astrological pattern is connected to a second astrological pattern as the composite moon is at the point of thales of that venus opposite mars (trining and sextiling that lovely opposition). When two astrological patterns interconnect like that, this is very powerful. Add Pluto on the MC forming a sextile to Neptune the apex of the tsquare. See all the connections attaching themselves to that tsquare?

As for the synastry the house overlay is nice, Sun/Mars/Northnode on the other person's 5th house square their moon and trine their sun in the 8th. Venus conjunct Moon in Leo in the 8th on the other person's 7th house is an aspect conducive to marriage. Venus conjunct Saturn on their 11th also binding. But to comment more on the synastry I would need the wheel that shows you the placements and degrees at the bottom, there could important minor aspects at play.


But there is no Venus/Moon opposition, it's a trine. There is a Venus/Jupiter square, not conjunct, although a little wide. Isn't Mars/Neptune square classically known to be an aspect of deception? Venus/Neptune square maybe too idealistic? I never thought to look at it in an overly romantic way.

The house overlays are nice however it's her Venus/Saturn conjunction that falls in his 11th and it is unaspected actually. So are both their Mercuries. There also isn't a lot of positive Moon activity either. Isn't that too many holes?

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posted June 25, 2018 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I don't really see what you are seeing. These aren't bland at all. It's a pretty decent synastry and composite in my opinion. I have seen way worse/more boring. I see there's lots of nice placements going on, though I haven't checked the aspects yet. Though I obviously don't know them in real life and probably never will, I wouldn't say this relationship challenges astrology based off of their synastry and composite. It pretty much validates astrology imo

The holes in their synastry aren't concerning? Many planets are unaspected. The aspects are sparse to personal planets and some aspects are mainly to outer planets leaving the luminaries a little lonely. It doesn't strike me as overly engaging unless house overlays are sufficient but even then they definitely favour her.

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posted June 25, 2018 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
If her birthtime is right, she is definitely in love with him. His moon/venus in her 7th and sun and mars in her 5th is very powerful for attraction on her side.
The only weird thing is she doesnít really activate any of his relationship or attraction houses, besides having her mars in his 1st house.

Is she significantly more attractive than him?


Funny you say that. She is actually. He doesn't often gush about her or their relationship but he has said that she's hot.

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posted June 25, 2018 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
Her moon falls into his 3rd. Dsc ruler is gemini. That's significant.

I agree. I've experienced something similar actually - my Gemini Sun conjunct his Gemini Venus in his 3rd, Gemini being his DSC ruler.

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posted June 26, 2018 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by margym0o:
Funny you say that. She is actually. He doesn't often gush about her or their relationship but he has said that she's hot.


Yeah that makes sense now haha, I say that becuase she doesnít really activate his attraction, love or relationship houses by overlay, aspects or symbolism.
BUT he has moon/venus in leo and the sun in the 7th, leo thrives on attention (I can see she is genuinely very into him) so he is probably flattered (leo) by her love for him. People with lots of leo like himself also tend to go for very attractive mates, or people who generate a lot of attention or that boost their ego or make them look good, you said she is, so seems like she fits the bill. They want someone equally or preferably more attractive than themselves, the trophy wife or husband if you will.

So he likes her for more shallow or superficial reasons and not based on her personality or character per say which would be her activating his 7th/8th/5th house
1; sheís attractive
2: sheís more attractive than him
3: heís flattered by her attention and attraction towards him thatís more one-sided (since he fits her ideal mate, sheís smitten guaranteed)
4; she makes him look/feel good and boosts his ego, this feeds his emotions (moon) and relationship (venus) needs.

So it works haha

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posted June 26, 2018 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there's also the Pluto square moon and pluto sextile mars happening... that can be pretty strong.

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posted June 26, 2018 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by margym0o:
The holes in their synastry aren't concerning? Many planets are unaspected. The aspects are sparse to personal planets and some aspects are mainly to outer planets leaving the luminaries a little lonely. It doesn't strike me as overly engaging unless house overlays are sufficient but even then they definitely favour her.


Well, I did say I hadn't checked the aspects yet. But unaspected planets, hm I don't really know how to interpret that phenomenon because I've never really seen it happen before. From what I've read though the unaspected planets tend to play out in their most natural form (the sign placement) so the fatality of their being unaspected depends solely on the rest of the chart/synastry/composite. The rest of their synastry is not really THAT bad imo so I feel the unaspected planets must be playing out more smoothly in this case.

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posted June 26, 2018 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by margym0o:
But there is no Venus/Moon opposition, it's a trine. There is a Venus/Jupiter square, not conjunct, although a little wide. Isn't Mars/Neptune square classically known to be an aspect of deception? Venus/Neptune square maybe too idealistic? I never thought to look at it in an overly romantic way.

The house overlays are nice however it's her Venus/Saturn conjunction that falls in his 11th and it is unaspected actually. So are both their Mercuries. There also isn't a lot of positive Moon activity either. Isn't that too many holes?


My point is that TSQUARES are very powerful in composite and synastry, period. Any astrological pattern that has an apex means that energy is building up and that leads to powerful connections/emotions.

Also I don't adhere to this super negative view of Neptune been associated with deception that a lot of people adhere to here at Lindaland. Neptune is the higher octave of Venus, taking apart a tsquare and interpreting the aspects independently is a mistake. Like you taking apart the tsquare and just interpreting venus square neptune and mars square neptune I feel is a mistake, neptune is at the apex so the energy build up between the venus opposite mars is been released through neptune, IMO it needs to be interpreted as a whole which is were its power comes from.

You keep saying that things are unaspected but I bet that there are minor aspects at play like possibly quintiles and from my experience quintiles are very hot and a lot of fun, there could be septiles too, noviles or vigintiles. But I cant determine that from what you posted, you cut out the bottom portion that lists the exact placements with the degrees. I don't know why people don't include that portion, it allows the astrologer to be more accurate and explore minor aspects bc it gives you the exact degrees. As a sun in virgo to me it makes no sense to not include more information if is possible.

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posted June 26, 2018 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My point is that TSQUARES are very powerful in composite and synastry, period. Any astrological pattern that has an apex means that energy is building up and that leads to powerful connections/emotions.

Also I don't adhere to this super negative view of Neptune been associated with deception that a lot of people adhere to here at Lindaland. Neptune is the higher octave of Venus, taking apart a tsquare and interpreting the aspects independently is a mistake. Like you taking apart the tsquare and just interpreting venus square neptune and mars square neptune I feel is a mistake, neptune is at the apex so the energy build up between the venus opposite mars is been released through neptune, IMO it needs to be interpreted as a whole which is were its power comes from.

You keep saying that things are unaspected but I bet that there are minor aspects at play like possibly quintiles and from my experience quintiles are very hot and a lot of fun, there could be septiles too, noviles or vigintiles. But I cant determine that from what you posted, you cut out the bottom portion that lists the exact placements with the degrees. I don't know why people don't include that portion, it allows the astrologer to be more accurate and explore minor aspects bc it gives you the exact degrees. As a sun in virgo to me it makes no sense to not include more information if is possible.


I guess people are quick to judge a synastry chart without the full picture because I think without knowing the back story most wouldn't take a second glance at this one. I've seen very connected/engaging synastry charts get ripped apart so I'm surprised this one is getting such good reviews.

At what point do we put a lot of stock in minor aspects though? Can't you make ANY chart better if you factor in the minor aspects? Putting lipstick on a pig if you will...

I should probably add more to the story to perhaps colour the composite a little bit and explain why I'm weary about Neptune.

She is better looking than him, but his family owns a successful business and so he comes from money. He works in the business (a lot, probably 6 days a week) and pulls a very generous salary so they have a very comfortable lifestyle. He is loyal to his family, but I have heard stories of him letting loose with the boys that he doesn't want her knowing about...

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posted June 26, 2018 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Minor aspects are not like putting lipstick on a pig, people that study the harmonics and understand its value would never use such a metaphor.

For example people that have quintile energy in their chart would enjoy very much a synastry filled with quintiles and will be drawn to this aspect in synastry. The same goes with septiles etc.

Also the more evolved you are the more sensitive and drawn you are to minor aspects.

That is not what I want, I want the bottom part of the circle that lists the placements of each chart.

I thought you put this synastry and composite up to hear our feedback and to see other input that will explain why they are drawn to each other that perhaps you did not pick up on. It seems though that you don't truly want input but you want us to say, "yes I don't get it, how could they be together."

I agree with capricorncheriscty, this is not a bad synastry. The house overlays are very good and I have learned that house overlays are very powerful indeed. I have moon in the 8th and moon on the IC with someone and I really like him and got attached quickly, we also have moon trine pluto and moon parallel pluto exact and a bunch of quintiles, his own natal is filled with quintile energy and I have a golden yod in my natal. They probably have some planets parallel to each other as well in addition to the nice house overlays.

The composite is very lovely with that Tsquare between venus opposite mars and neptune at the apex with Sun in the 8th trine neptune at the apex and Pluto sextile Neptune at the apex, with the moon as the point of thales of Venus opposite Mars, everything in the composite is nicely interconnected. There is a lot of energy build up.

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posted June 26, 2018 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Think of house overlays like this:

Example involving them: Moon conjunct Venus in Leo on her 7th which is an aspect conducive to wanting to get married is like Moon conjunct Venus conjunct her Venus.

My own example: Moon in the the 8th is very similar to moon conjunct pluto specially if they also have moon parallel pluto.

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posted June 26, 2018 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Minor aspects are not like putting lipstick on a pig, people that study the harmonics and understand its value would never use such a metaphor.

For example people that have quintile energy in their chart would enjoy very much a synastry filled with quintiles and will be drawn to this aspect in synastry. The same goes with septiles etc.

Also the more evolved you are the more sensitive and drawn you are to minor aspects.

That is not what I want, I want the bottom part of the circle that lists the placements of each chart.

I thought you put this synastry and composite up to hear our feedback and to see other input that will explain why they are drawn to each other that perhaps you did not pick up on. It seems though that you don't truly want input but you want us to say, "yes I don't get it, how could they be together."

I agree with capricorncheriscty, this is not a bad synastry. The house overlays are very good and I have learned that house overlays are very powerful indeed. I have moon in the 8th and moon on the IC with someone and I really like him and got attached quickly, we also have moon trine pluto and moon parallel pluto exact and a bunch of quintiles, his own natal is filled with quintile energy and I have a golden yod in my natal. They probably have some planets parallel to each other as well in addition to the nice house overlays.

The composite is very lovely with that Tsquare between venus opposite mars and neptune at the apex with Sun in the 8th trine neptune at the apex and Pluto sextile Neptune at the apex, with the moon as the point of thales of Venus opposite Mars, everything in the composite is nicely interconnected. There is a lot of energy build up.


I appreciate the feedback. Just listening to everyone's perspectives and adding my own that's all Knowing them in real life like I do, I have always been hesitant to believe they were together for the right reasons. Do they care deeply for one another? Of course, but is it only for "true love" I don't think so. Seeing how the astrology may/may not reflect the situation is interesting.

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posted June 26, 2018 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by margym0o:
I appreciate the feedback. Just listening to everyone's perspectives and adding my own that's all Knowing them in real life like I do, I have always been hesitant to believe they were together for the right reasons. Do they care deeply for one another? Of course, but is it only for "true love" I don't think so. Seeing how the astrology may/may not reflect the situation is interesting.

I hear you! I think Saturn ruling their composite chart perhaps makes them appear cold and "all business" to the world and hence why you distrust their connection. Specially when you add that Saturn is on the 10th house, they put on a front for others but behind close doors its quite different with their DC ruler Moon on the 5th; there is attraction and romance between them.

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posted June 26, 2018 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Imagine your chart is your Heart's House and the 12 houses are actually rooms in your heart's house, I feel the houses are very personal in nature and so when someone's planets fall in those rooms is very special, meaningful, they are giving that room life and attention, lighting it up and helping it flourish.

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posted June 27, 2018 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quintiles are not 'minor' aspects, they're less visible and hence people don't notice them or talk about them as much. We have no excuse these days to overlook them (with the technology at all of our fingertips) and it's about time I wrote more about them :-)

I can't really think that one fifth is less important than one quarter, or one sixth??

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posted June 27, 2018 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Quintiles are not 'minor' aspects, they're less visible and hence people don't notice them or talk about them as much. We have no excuse these days to overlook them (with the technology at all of our fingertips) and it's about time I wrote more about them :-)

I can't really think that one fifth is less important than one quarter, or one sixth??


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posted June 27, 2018 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturiann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mind putting in the data into this free synastry calculator here?

https://www.horoscopeyourself.com/relationship-horoscope/


They have this super helpful aspect analysis under "dominant features". I'm super curious what it would put out for these two, or if you have their birth data I could try it myself.

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