posted August 28, 2018 02:01 AM            

So - composite 8th house Leo stellium. There's nothing about this particular placement on the internet.

http://i65.tinypic.com/24l1lrb.png

I would so appreciate any insights as to this composite chart. What explains the deep bond here? What to look out for?

I'll post the synastry too if anyone would care to take a look. This is a very significant relationship. We've known each other since we were eight years old.

Any insight is so deeply appreciated in advance.

posted August 28, 2018 08:02 AM            

Synastry moon trine moon is amazing and probably smoothing out some other issues. Mercury opposite Sun and Mercury shows different modes of thought and communication, but this can be very stimulating. Especially given you are both Air moons, this mental stimulation would be important. And disagreements wouldn't necessarily be taken personally but could be logically handled and navigated.

Mars Sextile Venus, attraction. And the Cap Mars and Scorpio Venus nature lead to more depth and stamina, loyalty. Lack of Saturn in synastry must be made up for by the Saturn on ASC in composite.

Moon trine Chiron is nice, but the Chiron square Jupiter is potentially a source of opening hurts. Probably related to beliefs or personal philosophy. Pluto, Uranus and Neptune are behaving in synastry.

In composite too. Neptune trines Venus, so romance. And Pluto sextiles Venus, love. Pluto square moon and sun can lead to struggles, but I think the connection you have probably smoothes this out. Uranus trines the stellium and I think this adds excitement and constant stimulation, so things don't get stale. Chiron square Jupiter again in composite. I think this relationship challenges the both of you to really grow from your past hurts, stretching the beliefs you have been taught and raised with. Seeing things from new perspectives, even if and when you don't want to.

posted August 28, 2018 08:21 AM            

We went to the same primary school with this person, where I remember being heavily teased by classmates who often joked he had a crush on me. I was a very shy child. He ended up studying at my university for an MA when I was just graduating, so we never properly coincided. Then, after so many years, we met again last year, and promptly fell in love. Surprisingly, this time it was me who so strongly felt I had a crush! I don't think I've felt as strongly for anyone else in my life. It is a very intense bond, however its energies are quite flood-like and at times, exhausting. We are very different people! We have never had the same disagreement twice, but boy do we disagree - however, it feels like each time, we evolved into a deeper and inherently different relationship. It's difficult to express the experience, it's unlike any other I have - it's like we have had ten separate relationships so far!

Is this how the 8th house is when coloured by Leo energies? I know Leo is a dramatic and expansive energy - I've never been able to properly interpret its nature submerged in the 8th house. I welcome anyone to take a shot.

So I have been wondering whether the above dynamic is due to the 8th house, or the squares between Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. (What do you think about the squares transpiring in 3rd, 9th and 12th houses?) What are the likely difficulties of this relationship?

posted August 30, 2018 07:04 AM            

If you consider that Chiron is our deepest wound, what we carry with us innately, each of you is challenging the other with your set of beliefs and personal philosophies. This would lend to the feel of being very different people, because you see the world differently. And the fact that you don't fight about the same thing twice rings true because you are peeling back layers of yourselves and challenging/inspiring growth!

If this is a new(ish) relationship, then the energy will be strong in the front. But over time you will have uncovered many of these layers and can settle more in to a rhythm. I don't want to say routine because you don't want to be in autopilot mode, but you will get a better handle on each other and the flow/exchange between you two.

The 8th house would be deep and challenging too, and yes to Leo being dramatic. It's ok to still be able to step back and take a deep breath. When it gets overwhelming, it would be a good time to go out with a friend and have relaxed fun, or go for a solitary walk in nature to reconnect. Something light, something different, something that is you as an individual.

posted August 30, 2018 03:16 PM            

To provide a potentially interesting definition of how Jupiter square Chiron operates in a composite, I will share my experience for anyone interested:

Natally, my Chiron is in the 6th house so I am near obsessed with daily structure and routines - not because I like it this way, but because I feel having daily affairs in order is integral to my emotional and physical health. It's incredibly unnerving and debilitating to me when I cannot maintain a steady flow of creative or professional production with set hours. He's the exact opposite - so during our relationship, I think I inspired some sense of order in him. But on my way to doing this, I had to really question and analyze which bit of my daily routine made me healthy, and which bit of my daily routine was just being a 'good soldier' and suppressed my creativity. I had to consider the possibility of "order for the sake of order" - so I'm quietly making time to be more free and less rigid in the way I think about structure and routine. I feel somewhat more confident and knowing in my 6th house matters now. But getting here took -and still takes- a lot of talking, understanding, arguing, and simmering with intense reflection, and sometimes worry.

His Chiron is in his 7th house, so he's helped me tremendously with the way I process my romantic feelings, and how I express them. In order to inspire me to be more open, honest and a bit more fearless in registering emotions, and to be more of "true equals" in a relationship, I think he's had to go through an entire catalogue of past relationships in his head, and do an honest critique of his past choices and behaviour. Quite often, he'll unexpectedly say share an insight he has gained about himself as a partner, and I'll realize he's been analyzing his romantic values and love nature with regards to me and our relationship.

So in short, I think Jupiter sq Chiron might mean a lot of "Wait, I might be able to help this person with something. But I better look inside closely first and make sure my lesson stands under scrutiny"

Super interesting...

posted August 31, 2018 04:18 PM            

there are some intriguing aspects here. the vertex and square to Lilith and the ,midpoint is opposed to Saturn. and mars is square the node.
generally , he seems to be the focus of the relationship. the vertex/Lilith aspects suggest that you feel some type of "magical" or otherworldy connection with him. you both seem to have similar heart felt ideas and thought about life in general.

with Saturn septile to mars and the midpoint conjunct to neptune, he seems to have a "unusual" attraction. though he might be quiet type, he still becomes involved in unusual experiences. he has a hidden side that few see as he doesn't open up to just any one. he is a bit of a mystery to most people . but his seemingly hard exterior surrounds a very sensitive and flexible mind.
but with you , he is always open and excited.
the Uranus/Saturn midpoint is conjunct to juno which gives confusing feedback about a serious romantic relationship as he seem to vacillate between his need for solitude and the need to express himself to you.
the moon is trine to Saturn which gives a underlying stability to your relationship, it doesn't seem you could do anything to upset each other. but you must watch out for emotional complacency, which means you are so comfortable together that you might take each for granted.
juno is square to Jupiter and the midpoint is conjunct to mars which is a favorable aspect fo a serious relationship .

Saturn opposed to the vertex/Lilith midpoint is difficult to call as ti could show a great depth of devotion or it could show hetends tobe alone.the part of fortune opposed to satrun suggest the more positive manifestation of these two possibilities.

the Saturn/pluto midpoint is square to mercury and the other midpoints which suggest that though there is an element of great joy between, he has periods when he need separation. it may be that even when you and he are having a great time,he can lapse into a unexpected silence or emotional distance.

Jupiter is square to Uranus which is unfavorable as it usually shows a relationship that will not last. Often the need for emotional independence is stronger that the need for companionship.
these feelings are reinforced by the mars/pluto midpoint being conjunct to the Uranus/juno midpoint and square to Jupiter as well as opposed to chiron.

the node/vertex/lilith energies are very strong but these energies are often difficult to integrate into a relationship because they can bring karmic or unfathomable feelings into the relationship. the energies here are almost too other worldly feeling to fit into the compromises and routines that make up a "normal" life together.

there is something magical here but I am not sure you will be able to put it in a bottle
todd

posted August 31, 2018 05:19 PM            

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there is something magical here but I am not sure you will be able to put it in a bottle
todd

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todd, I am amazed, you are really so talented - you have managed to succinctly express the crux of my main worry about this connection. I will absolutely ruminate over the points you have made and regard our love as it is - not what it has to be. Of course one wants to hear only the best and most long-lasting insights about a love relationship - and that it will remain loving and solid for decades but your points resonate so deeply. I hope this relationship brings us many lessons and moments of joy, and I hope it ends without bitterness or regret when/if it becomes unsustainable.

Sincerely, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. Hope it comes back to you as time spent with loved ones.

posted September 03, 2018 02:08 AM            

**I want to keep understanding this chart.**

Let's start and explore together!

I sense you might be interested in this (correct me if I'm wrong);
http://www.astrosoftware.com/Symmetries.htm

The 3 most powerful resonances to occur ^ and once in it, no way back. I look at those on every level (no software, just manually digging and digging). I would love you to understand these as well. You might be a great candidate with a nice compo Sun/Moon conjunction

posted September 03, 2018 06:29 AM            

Can you elaborate what you mean by "no way back"?

Now I'm quite terrible at maths (I studied literature, art history and work at a museum - I couldn't be further away from numbers really ) but I did some homework and arrived at these below, please correct me if I'm wrong:

The composite midpoint is 13 d 35 in Leo

Around the vicinity in my natal chart is Vertex at 11 d 09 in Leo

According to the webpage you sent, is this of significance? What do you think it says?

His natal sun / moon midpoint is 12 d 11 in Leo. This I believe is quite close to the composite sun moon midpoint in 13 d 35 in Leo.

My natal sun/moon midpoint is 14 Leo 28. Why is everything in Leo! Lol!

Is any this of any significance, or am I off base in my calculations or understanding of attributing meaning to natal/composite midpoints?

This is quite alien and fun, thanks! Looking forward to your reply

posted September 03, 2018 06:22 PM            

Lol I just meant that once absorbed those 3 symmetries it won't leave you alone and your entire perspective on chart comparison / astrology will be changed.

It might seem a bit more complex than it is. In my own words;
1) Composite conjunctions/oppositions
2) Midpoint-to-Midpoint alignment (both natal midpoints of a specfic pair of planets are conjunct/opp.)
3) Same phase angle

Yea I'm aware it isn't a matter of hours or days or even weeks to get it all. It really takes time... also to me it was quite alien at first but already verrrry tempting to get it all. It's such a pity I can't make it clear in an hour.. it's Always partying on an Island here.
For example, I recently discoverd a progressed Moon to progressed Mars SAME PHASE (or opposite) alignment in many couples! Ow let it be.

You mention a natal point/planet conjunct a composite point/planet. Well, coincidentally no, that has nothing to do with the most powerful 3 symmetries here. BUT.. David Cochrane does mention it in his book! But really preferable to have it as exact as possible, an orb of 2,5 deg is bit too wide I feel although might have its influence.
Here a thread about other energetic patterns he mentions; http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/219549.html

posted September 05, 2018 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
I admit I would've already looked at the progressions if I had places of birth, can u share those? Or post the additional tables from astro.com. It's the best way to look at it for me. I can hardly trace anything looking at what you shared here.
So very best would be then: post the additional tables of the synasty (which means both natals and you get it by clicking on the additional tables after having a syna wheel in front of you). PLUS post the additional tables of both progressed charts (you get that by first making a "progressed composite" and then clicking on additional tables).

It might be best to share those tables here for more learning experience. Otherwise I'm processing on an Island again.

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Oooh, sure!

Here are both natals separately:

Me:

Him:

Here's the synastry:

(I don't know why astro.com doesn't show our moon trine moon - all other software does)

Here's the progressed composite + additional chart:

posted September 05, 2018 02:03 PM            

Gimme some time.. I come back later.

posted September 05, 2018 02:21 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
It might be that I post the "additional tables" myself

Gimme some time.. I come back later.

ps you might do it as well..

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posted September 05, 2018 05:21 PM            

I swear I DID a GRRREAT discovery!

AGAIN...

REMEMBER I was saying this...;

it's Always partying on an Island here.
For example, I recently discoverd a progressed Moon to progressed Mars SAME PHASE (or opposite) alignment in many couples! Ow let it be

I was just taking a very quick glance at it, and what do we see??

An EXACT opposing pMoon/pMars phase! (and that's exactly what I have found so many times lately, even when I couldn't find anything to satisfy my progressed brain! An opposing OR same phase alignment between both progressed bodies!

SO:
YOUR pMOON 2,5 Leo
YOUR pMARS 27,5 Aqua

HIS pMOON 27,5 Sag
HIS pMARS 22,5 Cap

So, look at that ^^ .. what do you see? Well, about 25 degrees YOU will reach the opposition while HIM reaching the conjunction (compare it to FULL MOON and NEW MOON to trace opposing phases).So that means, moving in (contra) sync the entire time!

posted September 05, 2018 06:17 PM            

An exact contra-parallel between the Sun and the Moon in the progressed compo (both progressed Sun/Moon midpoints in the declinations totally line up together, meant: are parallel)

Are you on the verge of something totally NEW together? This to me is a strong sign of a "new start" in one way or another..

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@ it's btw very interesting that you have a tight Sun/Moon parallel in the regular composite already (and so natal midpoints already lign up in declinations). And now that it's becoming a contra-parallel in the progressed compo (and prog midpoints line up again) you meet again and get a true START (or at least a final closure of some kind) … no coincidence! (27 years to become a parallel again / 27 years to become a contra-parallel again.. me thinks, see the rarity of this phenomenon).

posted September 05, 2018 06:49 PM            

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