posted October 07, 2018 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
With moon in aquarius she might also come from a broken home and is repeating the script with him she grew up witnessing that was normalized for her as a child. Maybe she internalized subconsciously that she will not be the victim like her mother but will be the one who breaks up the home and gets the guy instead. She could be doing this all subconsciously, maybe her moon falls in her 12th house.

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Such an interesting perspective! Didn’t think about that.. but it makes perfect sense! As far as I know, her parents are divorced (just like his btw)

posted October 07, 2018 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
He wanted kids, but not at this time. He’s only 29 and not very settled in his life, like some others might be at that age. But his behavior towards me was quiet ambivalent the whole time. He never said “definitely not” and we both didn’t use birth control. The only thing we did, was the pull out method. In this week around April, after a major fight, we reconciled and made love so intensely that he came in me every single time. It was alright for me, because I didn’t mind getting pregnant. I was always open about that! That’s why his family is on my side, because everybody knew that I wanted a baby for quiet a while. So there was no tricking him into something. I would never do that.

The thing is, our relationship had it’s ups and downs from the start. We had epic fights. You might ask yourself, why wanting to start a family under such volatile conditions.. yes, but i’m also not the most reasonable person.

I just always knew that I loved him, no matter what. I was always hoping we would outgrow our issues. I was always willing to go the distance, because when all was good between us, it was really good! I’ve dated quiet a few men before, but I never felt that connected on a sexual and soulful level. Just a hug from him, feels more intense and loving than anything I’ve ever done with anyone else sexually. I melt in his arms. It’s that good.

But this also makes me very vulnerable. It’s also something that’s hard to maintain in everyday life. It bothered him more than me, because he had to pull away emotionally to function in his life. He couldn’t handle it for too long. That was our major problem, because I couldn’t handle the distancing. Because I know all that, I’ve been trying to work it out and be less dependent, less needy. I was very needy in our relationship and everybody knows that men hate that. I can imagine that this girl is very different.

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Thank you for responding and been honest.

The way you speak of him and your relationship confirms my observations that the Davison can be more powerful than the synastry when it comes to predicting the feelings two people have for each other. Perhaps your pesona placements are highly activated, check persona moon, venus, mars and how it aspects with each other's natal charts bc I see your synastry with him and is NOT very strong. Although there are some nice house overlays like your jupiter on his 8th and your chart Rule Pluto on his 5th conjunct his Eros (my ex eros conjuncted my chart ruler too and I felt super hard for him and the sex was beautiful). There is also your Sun conjunct his MC and a nice IC/MC overlay between each other with his sun and mars falling on your MC etc.. But no sun/moon or venus/mars as the orbs are too wide, no venus/venus or moon/moon. There is a jupiter/sun double whammy but one is sun inconjunct jupiter and the other is sun trine jupiter widely. There are some nice house overlays but the synastry aspects are not strong. However, the Davison is amazing IMO and explains clearly your feelings for him.

I see your Davison with him and is beautiful and how you describe how he makes you feel can been seeing in the Davison, is like you are describing the Davison.

Come to think of it that moon conjunct mars in Davison and how it interconnects with everything else in the chart explains your super deep feelings for him and also your epic fights.

She might have a stronger pull with him bc in their synastry her moon squares his pluto and trines his venus and they have sun conjunct mars, you can say their synastry is potentially stronger specially if we were to discover they also have nice house overlays and that moon opposite pluto theme repeating itself in the davison and composite with that theme in synastry too is quite powerful.

posted October 07, 2018 10:22 PM            

It's quite impressive what comes out of it between the 3;

His pMoon (21 Leo) in the sign of this girl's natal Sun (23 Leo).
This girl's pMoon (9 Pisces) in the sign of Ana_bee's natal Sun (10 Pisces)
Ana_bee's pMoon (14 Virgo) in the sign of his' natal Sun (4 Virgo)

note: her pMoon might be off by 6 deg on both sides depending on TOB.

posted October 07, 2018 10:37 PM            

Anyhoo I bring this up bc I had a very plutonic relationship with him involving a pluto T-square with chart ruler Moon in the 8th at the apex and Venus in our Davison.

I feel plutonic relationships involving hard aspects are emotionally draining and long term not worth it IMO. Is like it puts you in state of emergency were you don't think clearly and obsess about the other, always worried you will lose them etc...

Plutonic relationships involving soft aspects though are a complete different story and can be super binding in a positive way without the negative side effects that come with the plutonic hard aspects.

I say this bc the theme between your guy and that girl is Pluto in hard aspect to Moon in synastry/composite/davison, all three. I feel they fall under a hard aspect plutonic relationship which long term is hard to sustain and can be draining, not conducive to feeling emotionally secure and happy in a relationship, more prone to anxiety so I feel they will probably fail and he is just under the spell of Pluto right now.

As for you two I agree with LunaIscariot, he not only cheated but he ended it and abandoned you while you were pregnant to be with someone else.

posted October 07, 2018 11:01 PM            

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That been said though my deal breaker is feeling that someone is NOT fighting for me, that someone can just give up on me, that is such a turn off, I can forgive infidelity but not lack of passion or abandonment, If I feel you don't want to or can't fight for me I will never be able to trust you again, that is my venus in Leo talking probably and my partner also has venus in leo and they conjunct each other.

I just know how the heart works and even though you may still have a part of you holding on to him FOR NOW, you will not be able to forget and take him back after this, you will eventually feel disillusioned and will not feel the same for him, you will care but so much less, not even a fraction of what you care now. But then again been forced to see him bc he is the father of your child will make it harder to get over him to be fair.

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posted October 08, 2018 09:10 AM            

Thank you for your kind words.

No he didn’t cheat, as far as I can trust him on that.. But what he did was actually worse to me. I can forgive a lapse of judgement, we’re all human. But I cannot forgive his disrespectful behavior towards me and our relationship. I can’t imagine to ever trust him again. ..

posted October 08, 2018 09:30 AM            

He does have some hard aspects to his Dsc and his Venus! Saturn, Uranus, Neptune all conj the Dsc and squaring Venus. Also his NN is in Aquarius in 9th house..wouldn’t that indicate that his soul development and belief system is meant to go into a less traditional/non-conventional direction?

Also my IC in Aqua is conj his NN
Doesn’t that indicate that we have a past life connection as well, with my MC in Leo on his SN?
And doesn’t that also indicate a future connection, because I activate both points?

Maybe that’s why he has no qualms to treat me like he does. I basically stimulate the erratic/unconventional side in him.

posted October 08, 2018 09:56 AM            

I know plutonic relationships by heart! Look at my chart. Pluto/Scorpio Asc/8th House Moon and my SN in Scorpio. It’s impossible for me not to get obsessed. But it’s also hard for me to tell the difference between love and intense emotions. It’s hard for me to fall in love with someone who doesn’t shake me up .. a lot!

But you also seem to put much emphasis on that. When you speak about “it’s not going to last” .. what does that actually mean? Are we talking about “happily ever after, until we’re grey and old” .. that this most likely won’t happen, or do you mean they won’t make it in the next 1-2 years? Can you see that in a chart? (Him and that girl)

As to our relationship .. I was already assuming there’ll be hard times coming. Because Saturn is about to conj our Comp Neptune .. we’ve already experienced what transit Saturn opposite comp Moon would feel like!
He broke up with me around the time when the Saturn was opposing Mars. Now in December, when our baby will be born that same Saturn will oppose our comp Venus!! And I’m wondering how much worse will it get..?

posted October 08, 2018 11:09 AM            

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Also my IC in Aqua is conj his NN
Doesn’t that indicate that we have a past life connection as well, with my MC in Leo on his SN?
And doesn’t that also indicate a future connection, because I activate both points?

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Well, my Aqua NN was conjunct my boyfriend of two years IC by 1°

I'd say that touching his IC meant I was to change a way he viewed his parents marriage. I guess he always believed that his parents never chose to be married, they just married because his mother was already pregnant with his oldest brother. A marriage of convenience. He believed they never loved each other from the beginning.

Well, through sheer digging I was able to find a county picture of his parents court house wedding, and in the picture they were both beaming, besides themselves with joy, utterly delighted to be marrying each other. She did not look pregnant in the picture at all.

It shook him to his core when he saw the picture (the wedding took place in the early 1950's, yes there was a big age gap between the both of us). So in that sense, I changed his perspective on his very foundation of being (IC).

But we ended up breaking up. Things happen. We even have a tight Moon/Saturn/IC conjunction in Capricorn in our composite.

posted October 08, 2018 11:54 AM            

Well I knew him for 11 years before we entered into a relationship, and he already had a huge influence in my life before this.

He did change me in the sense that he cultured me (just as your ex says about you). He's the man that took me to the finest restauraunts this city had to offer, he flew me out first class to Europe twice, many of my educational milestones may not have been possible without him. I deeply loved him, but we broke up in June and I don't look fondly back on our relationship maybe because the breakup aftermath was just that terrible. But there is no denying that he had a massive effect on my life and that I'm better for it. I did feel this strong desire to reproduce with him - he was just so gorgeous to me and I felt that our children would be stunning. That could be the IC/NN connection also playing out as it does in your case. I don't see him and I ever getting back together though.

posted October 09, 2018 11:41 AM            

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@Hypatia

I know plutonic relationships by heart! Look at my chart. Pluto/Scorpio Asc/8th House Moon and my SN in Scorpio. It’s impossible for me not to get obsessed. But it’s also hard for me to tell the difference between love and intense emotions. It’s hard for me to fall in love with someone who doesn’t shake me up .. a lot!

But you also seem to put much emphasis on that. When you speak about “it’s not going to last” .. what does that actually mean? Are we talking about “happily ever after, until we’re grey and old” .. that this most likely won’t happen, or do you mean they won’t make it in the next 1-2 years? Can you see that in a chart? (Him and that girl)

As to our relationship .. I was already assuming there’ll be hard times coming. Because Saturn is about to conj our Comp Neptune .. we’ve already experienced what transit Saturn opposite comp Moon would feel like!
He broke up with me around the time when the Saturn was opposing Mars. Now in December, when our baby will be born that same Saturn will oppose our comp Venus!! And I’m wondering how much worse will it get..?

Whereas it’s really quite strange that he starts a new relationship while transit Saturn is squaring his natal Venus! I thought it’s a bad omen to start something new during ones Saturn return, especially when this happens in the 7th house and squares Venus. But maybe he’s so used to this energy that it works out differently for him.

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Yes you are plutonic in that your chart ruler is Pluto and conjuncts your AC, the last guy I was with had that too in Scorpio, he was plutonic yes but still more Capricorn (his sun) than Scorpio, Scorpio themes for sure are strong in his life though and his mind (pluto also opposes his mars after all) but I wouldn't say he has the scorpio emotional INTENSITY, I was more intense and my moon rules the 8th and my venus/mars/eros/valentine fall in the 8th in Leo, maybe in how his mind operates and interests yes he is plutonic for sure! and in that pluto is a theme in his life.

With you perhaps bc your moon falls in the 8th you are also emotionally intense making you feel more plutonic in an emotional sense along with pluto ruling your chart and pluto themes playing out bc of it and like I said how your mind operates and your interests. But I have learned having pluto in scorpio conjunct AC doesn't make the person feel on an emotional level plutonic, the moon will speak more to that. Like my ex he had sun in scorpio but his moon conjuncted his DC and trined widely his sun, people who have sun aspect moon tend to be in touch with their emotions specially with trines and conjunctions I find, unless the moon is also conjunct saturn.

BUT with your guy I would not consider your relationship to fall under the Hard aspect Plutonic theme relationship based on what I see in the synastry/composite/davison which I find more problematic in that they put you in this state of anxiety. Like I said before the soft aspects (trines/sextiles) I feel are just binding and help create that deeper connection but without the extreme negative side effects, you can work through fears in a less neurotic way. The only hard aspect you have involving pluto is in Davison with that venus opposite pluto so it does play into your relationship with him to some extent yes but bc pluto falls in the 9th that should contain a lot those negative side effects and make that energy more light and detached. I just would not describe your relationship with him as a heavy plutonic relationship which is good.

posted October 09, 2018 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I just want to say Many Blessings to you and your baby. May the holy spirit bless your child and may you enjoy this phase of your life fully and shower your baby with love.

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Thanks a lot! 🙏 I will do the best I can.

Your observation is on point, I do have jealousy issues, and not only in this relationship. It’s a recurring theme I want to work on, not because it’s particularly bad, but because I don’t like myself when I’m caught in a negative mindset. Like you said, my Gemini moon definitely helps me to keep perspective after all. I feel very deeply, but I have also the ability to analyze my emotions.

If you saw me you probably wouldn’t believe how insecure I actually am. That’s the thing. I can attract people easily into my life. When him and me first met, he pursued me very ardently! He wanted me really badly. This is always the case, until I fall in love and become the pursuer. Then the dynamic usually shifts, and my insecurities come to the surface. The more I loved him, and the longer we were together, the more insecure I became! It’s hard for me to play the “attraction game” for too long. I actually don’t play at all. When I like someone, I tell them. I don’t like being chased.

posted November 16, 2018 06:19 PM            

His natal:

My natal:

posted November 16, 2018 10:27 PM            

Trying to look here at those assisting aspects to his natal.

Probably like others have said though, I can't get past the synastry with his Mars squaring your Moon and Uranus, and you Mars etc, not being aspected.

There's not a lot going on with the Leo really either.

posted November 18, 2018 10:57 PM            

A couple with opposing suns often have many ups and downs and dramas

On the other hand in the long run, people with sun signs next to one another often end up together

I know that's only “often" true, but since he has moon in cancer and he'd known this girl from the past, he may be feeling like like she's the one for him

Also men with moon square venus, their heart is always in two places, one with their lover, the other with the mother of their child!

And remember, cancer can be disloyal to family if they were hurt as a child

Having moon and AC in cancer doesn't mean that he's going to be with only one female

And at the end of the day, monogamy is too cruel a rule for many men... Not saying they have the right to that, just saying that for most, it's too difficult

At least he was honest with you and didn't go behind your back... So you can trust him to be a decent father to your child

posted November 19, 2018 04:20 AM            

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All men with Moon square Venus? Isn't that generalizing?

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All of astrology is generalization, because it's not a fully experimental science

Unless one is a highly evolved soul, a natal aspect will play out all its manifestations during the course of a human lifetime

By the way, I never said "all"

posted November 19, 2018 04:38 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
All of astrology is generalization, because it's not a fully experimental science

Unless one is a highly evolved soul, a natal aspect will play out all its manifestations during the course of a human lifetime

By the way, I never said "all"

When you look at things the wrong way, you also see them the wrong way, and like a domino it'll shape a whole wrong long of thought patterns in your mind

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posted November 19, 2018 04:49 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Well that's basically saying that men with this aspect can't be loyal to one woman. It just seems disheartening when a woman checks a mans natal chart. And see that he has this aspect. She'll automatically think to avoid him.

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Everybody is made for somebody

And as I said, having moon square venus isn't equal to being disloyal... There must be some other arrangements for these type of men or it can lead to cheating

It's simply because monogamy isn't for everyone

@ana_bee sorry if your thread got derailed and sorry to hear about your break up