posted October 17, 2018 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
hahahaha Yes I love joking around in a Sag meets Leo style usually as my AC trines venus in Leo, you seem pretty chill yourself like you have a good sense of humor. Do you have libra placements? or what would you attribute your sense of humor to?

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https://imgur.com/a/Q5MNYT4

i'm libra dominant in tropical (there's my chart, personally i think whole sign is more accurate, but it's easy to see that on a placidus chart anyway and the reverse doesnt work)

the kite in general seems to be a big part of my interactions with people

i have been told i can be annoyingly laid back by people who have never seen me lose my temper before

posted October 17, 2018 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
https://imgur.com/a/Q5MNYT4

i'm libra dominant in tropical (there's my chart, personally i think whole sign is more accurate, but it's easy to see that on a placidus chart anyway and the reverse doesnt work)

the kite in general seems to be a big part of my interactions with people

i have been told i can be annoyingly laid back by people who have never seen me lose my temper before

when i do lose it im awful til i burn myself out then it's like nothing happened

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posted October 17, 2018 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
https://imgur.com/a/Q5MNYT4

i'm libra dominant in tropical (there's my chart, personally i think whole sign is more accurate, but it's easy to see that on a placidus chart anyway and the reverse doesnt work)

the kite in general seems to be a big part of my interactions with people

i have been told i can be annoyingly laid back by people who have never seen me lose my temper before

when i do lose it im awful til i burn myself out then it's like nothing happened

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It's definitely the kite...closely as part of your ASC so you project that energy.

I find those with grand trines/kites in their charts have a bad rap for being "lazy" and I guess in some cases that's true...it's like they take their gift for granted and it puts the native at ease (hence the laid back vibes). My co-worker has the same fiery grand trine as you and he is NOTORIOUS for not getting back to people on time or taking days to complete a task. Somehow he made his way up to Director so it's not that he's not well-liked or competent, it's that "oh geeze there he goes again" type of thing when you just want to shake him and be like "hurry up!"

You also have Cappy Mars which will not do ANYTHING that isn't worth doing...efficiency is the name of the game I am only a couple months older than you so I also have Cappy Mars and I have been accused of such lol

posted October 17, 2018 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You sound like my husband he looks all cute and sweet like he will not break a plate and adorable but he can have explosive outbursts, he has mars conjunct uranus in scorpio on the DC, I am convinced if someone tried to kill him the person trying to kill him is in for a surprise and would end up dead instead lol, is like waking up a tiger/bear.

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interesting that you brought up the migraines, my older brother is a libra and also has issues with them same with my mother

though i've been lucky enough to have migraines with rare symptoms like convulsions, because if it's possible to have rare symptoms or side effects when it comes to things then that's how it will go for me

i'm more noise than anything really when i do lose it, it's just that when i do lose my temper and say something i'm going to hurt the other person and whatever i say is going to be completely true or hit all their deepest insecurities

i have a knack for being able to push people's buttons

i hear things like "you understand me better than anyone" from other people a lot, and when things are good that's a completely positive quality but the flipside of it isnt pretty

it takes a lot to get me mad though, most people dont see it and the people who do have usually known me for years already before it even happens

im quick to forgive and forget though for the most part

posted October 17, 2018 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
interesting that you brought up the migraines, my older brother is a libra and also has issues with them same with my mother

though i've been lucky enough to have migraines with rare symptoms like convulsions, because if it's possible to have rare symptoms or side effects when it comes to things then that's how it will go for me

i'm more noise than anything really when i do lose it, it's just that when i do lose my temper and say something i'm going to hurt the other person and whatever i say is going to be completely true or hit all their deepest insecurities

i have a knack for being able to push people's buttons

i hear things like "you understand me better than anyone" from other people a lot, and when things are good that's a completely positive quality but the flipside of it isnt pretty

it takes a lot to get me mad though, most people dont see it and the people who do have usually known me for years already before it even happens

im quick to forgive and forget though for the most part

i'd definitely be at a disadvantage in a physical fight though, i'm delicate lol

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posted October 17, 2018 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
It's definitely the kite...closely as part of your ASC so you project that energy.

I find those with grand trines/kites in their charts have a bad rap for being "lazy" and I guess in some cases that's true...it's like they take their gift for granted and it puts the native at ease (hence the laid back vibes). My co-worker has the same fiery grand trine as you and he is NOTORIOUS for not getting back to people on time or taking days to complete a task. Somehow he made his way up to Director so it's not that he's not well-liked or competent, it's that "oh geeze there he goes again" type of thing when you just want to shake him and be like "hurry up!"

You also have Cappy Mars which will not do ANYTHING that isn't worth doing...efficiency is the name of the game I am only a couple months older than you so I also have Cappy Mars and I have been accused of such lol

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i'm definitely lazy about nearly everything, and i very often forget to get back to people (this is admittedly partially due to drug use though) or flake out on things because i get distracted by other things

i have both a hard time deciding what i feel like doing and then yeah most things dont feel worth doing so i wont and i generally end up focused on things that are more recreational than anything

because if i cant enjoy it then i dont want to do it unless there's a compulsion there (this can happen with writing, music, drawing for me not so much anything else... i can and will shut out the world for days and do nothing but work on a song nonstop barely sleeping or taking breaks, but i let other important things go until im forced to deal with them because of a lack of motivation)

which is terrible but true

i've admittedly gotten by on people liking me and finding me attractive and i dont know how to function otherwise

posted October 17, 2018 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Huh you sound like me now..my mercury parallels my pluto and opposes my moon in pisces ruler of the 8th, I am very empathic and understanding but know how to hit you hard with words if I want to yet not violent at all, also very forgiving and don't stay mad for long.

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well in all honesty i'm skinny and short with some chronic health issues and none of that is on my side in a physical fight, which has made me very good at ending things verbally instead

but i have a very easy time feeling other people, moreso than i do with processing my own feelings typically so i have a natural tendency to end up being the person a lot of people go to when theyre upset

at my own worst i wont talk to anyone though, if something is bothering me deeply i either wont say anything or i'll joke about it to nearly everyone unless theyre someone im directly having an issue with

so it's sort of funny because im there for people because i know people need that, but i absolutely wont seek it for myself because i prefer to let things go away eventually

i dont like holding onto things because it's pointless if it isnt currently affecting the present and most things dont need to matter anyway

things come and go whatever's left behind that stays static is what matters anyway

which is why i can deal with all the scorpio tests, and i'm loyal ultimately anyway

what i do like about scorpio dominant people though is in spite of all of their crazy (and let's be real here, they go to some dark places) they feel things deeply and thats why they do the things they do

and it's not always cool, but i get it and can handle it

im annoying anyway, she deals with plenty

posted October 17, 2018 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

i dont like holding onto things because it's pointless if it isnt currently affecting the present and most things dont need to matter anyway

things come and go whatever's left behind that stays static is what matters anyway

which is why i can deal with all the scorpio tests, and i'm loyal ultimately anyway

what i do like about scorpio dominant people though is in spite of all of their crazy (and let's be real here, they go to some dark places) they feel things deeply and thats why they do the things they do

and it's not always cool, but i get it and can handle it

im annoying anyway, she deals with plenty

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It was so beautiful to read your words and thoughts, I can feel it comes from a place of love and wisdom. You are a pretty cool dude, bless your soul . I am glad you two have each other!

posted October 17, 2018 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
It was so beautiful to read your words and thoughts, I can feel it comes from a place of love and wisdom. You are a pretty cool dude, bless your soul . I am glad you two have each other!

Where is Buda in your chart? LOL Curious...

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nowhere important, 4th house cap aspecting nothing

and thanks

love? yeah... wisdom? i guess ive learned a couple of things over the years

edit: as far as love asteroids go i do have this going on though

posted October 18, 2018 12:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
nowhere important, 4th house cap aspecting nothing

and thanks

love? yeah... wisdom? i guess ive learned a couple of things over the years

edit: as far as love asteroids go i do have this going on though

https://imgur.com/a/vDXxWA1

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Ha your Jupiter is on my moon in pisces at 21 degrees, that is why I like your vibe. Jupiter!

posted October 18, 2018 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Ha your Jupiter is on my moon in pisces at 21 degrees, that is why I like your vibe. Jupiter! :)

Your Amor and Moon conjunct my Pholus in the 4th. Your mercury on my valentine, your uranus on my southnode. Your chiron on my northnode.

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jupiter on the moon will do it yeah

i'm admittedly terrible with asteroids, there's just so many and i dont know most of them

the only minor one i ever remember with my chart is nymph, because in another astrology community i was asked to pull up all the promiscuity asteroids with my chart and that one was on my ascendant

my chiron is interesting with aspects and it's place on my chart so it's one of the few asteroids i look at

https://imgur.com/a/UzaSdhr

posted October 18, 2018 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
jupiter on the moon will do it yeah

i'm admittedly terrible with asteroids, there's just so many and i dont know most of them

the only minor one i ever remember with my chart is nymph, because in another astrology community i was asked to pull up all the promiscuity asteroids with my chart and that one was on my ascendant

my chiron is interesting with aspects and it's place on my chart so it's one of the few asteroids i look at

https://imgur.com/a/UzaSdhr

it'sjust oddly prominant

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We have saturn stuff too, my saturn is in scorpio at 2 degrees and conjuncts your Pluto and your saturn conjuncts my chart ruler jupiter conjunct sag at 5d.

Essentially your chiron opposite uranus falls on my nodes and your Jupiter on my moon which squares my nodes.

Your nodes trine/sextile my venus conjunct mars. My asteroid compassion conjuncts your northnode

I do feel compassion for you. I bet you have compassion somewhere prominent in your chart, you seem compassionate.

My partner has it conjunct his sun and I have a grand trine between compassion/venus conjunct mars and Neptune on my AC.

posted October 18, 2018 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
We have saturn stuff too, my saturn is in scorpio at 2 degrees and conjuncts your Pluto and your saturn conjuncts my chart ruler jupiter conjunct sag at 5d.

Essentially your chiron opposite uranus falls on my nodes and your Jupiter on my moon which squares my nodes.

Your nodes trine/sextile my venus conjunct mars. My asteroid compassion conjuncts your northnode

I do feel compassion for you. I bet you have compassion somewhere prominent in your chart, you seem compassionate.

My partner has it conjunct his sun and I have a grand trine between compassion/venus conjunct mars and Neptune on my AC.

And your mercury conjuncts my venus in leo at 23 degrees, I can talk to mercury in leo folks forever.

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interesting, makes sense why we can get along so easily then

i've noticed a lot of people hit important points in my chart, and it seems to be why i find most people easy to get along with

i just checked out compassion i have it conjunct venus (it's at 15 degrees libra) so it hits the kite

posted October 18, 2018 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
interesting, makes sense why we can get along so easily then

i've noticed a lot of people hit important points in my chart, and it seems to be why i find most people easy to get along with

i just checked out compassion i have it conjunct venus (it's at 15 degrees libra) so it hits the kite

good call, you're impressive with guessing placements

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posted October 18, 2018 07:48 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
hahahah thanks, that made me smile :) so we both have our venus is aspect to compassion.

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np, i cant be bothered with most asteroids so seeing someone be able to throw ones i wouldnt think of out as prominant in a chart is impressive

makes me feel like i should pay more attention to them

my fiancee has compassion on her mercury, which doesnt surprise me

posted October 18, 2018 07:51 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
WOW. Ok this thread is totally derailed but this is so interesting...I know virtually nothing about asteroids so I looked up "compassion" in my own chart and it is conjunct my ASC as part of my kite! Moon-Mercury-Jupiter trine with my ASC at the top sextiling Mercury and Moon :O

Ironically, my partner tells me that I have a big heart...but I think only because I cry over everything lol

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your name looks familiar, did you mention having a venus/ketu earlier? could be wrong

interesting if you do because we both have kites connected to our ascendant/descendant (my kite is moon, uranus, mercury, venus) and that venus/ketu aspect then

posted October 19, 2018 12:10 AM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
WOW. Ok this thread is totally derailed but this is so interesting...I know virtually nothing about asteroids so I looked up "compassion" in my own chart and it is conjunct my ASC as part of my kite! Moon-Mercury-Jupiter trine with my ASC at the top sextiling Mercury and Moon :O

Ironically, my partner tells me that I have a big heart...but I think only because I cry over everything lol

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posted October 19, 2018 09:43 AM            

The latest one just this winter-spring. When I think back and read stuff here, No wonder he turned the way he did! Poor thing must have felt so irked and off put by my offensive energies

I basically turned a warm and bubbly Leo/aries/libra to an ice cold, depressive and withdrawn person.

(We are back to normal now though thank god!)

Jewel Mayberry,s videos about pluto and obsessions has helped me so much.. but only now, when I have accepted my "problems" fully.

One thing we don't talk much about at this forum (or maybe we do and I miss it dunno)
is how pluto also is so "punishing".

For ex, (and this is not true love of course) you are obsessed with a person, who is always happy and accomadating towards you, or always gives care and attention. But as soon as the person stops, or have a couple of days when he/she is down, the obsessed person takes this personally, and starts to punish the other for being cold, with being colder, or withoulding his/her attention, love and care etc...

Or other scenarious I can't think of now.

Basically, the plutonic person wants to be able to control the outcomes, and the other person to some degree. It does not have to mean the obsessed one is a psycopathic manipulator! Thats the extreme case.

If the love object does not act in the ways the plutonic wanted him/her to act, he/she will punish the other in some ways. Often not conciously though!

posted October 19, 2018 10:03 AM            

Pluto is good at finding unpaid debts ;D

Sure there are immature and actually quite cruel manifestations of Plutonic or Scorpionic individuals. But when that happens, when it is literally an immature power struggle like that, it essentially means the Plutonic or Scorpionic individual has not, themselves, paid.

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Hello I'm a plutonic gal, and I'm so ashamed of the things I have put my guy friends I had crushes on and flirtationships with over the past years
The latest one just this winter-spring. When I think back and read stuff here, No wonder he turned the way he did! Poor thing must have felt so irked and off put by my offesive energies I basically turned a warm and bubbly Leo/aries/libra to an ice cold, depressive and withdrawn person.

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While on the surface it might seem like an awful thing, there could be a "positive outcome" to this. You may very well have done exactly what needed to be done, with your Plutonian energy, in order to help him in some way.

The path to growth and learning can often involve much pain and struggle. Many people wish learning didn't have to involve pain, but sometimes it really does, and sometimes it's really needed.

I'll paraphrase what I said to a friend about his toxic relationship (he himself was not blameless).
I said essentially that sometimes all of the horrible things that come out of us, all of the "trash" that is extracted via a painful relationship, is exactly what is needed to remove our "blocks". Once we take out our energetic trash, and get to know ourselves, even our negativity (anger/depression/coldness and what have you), then we can finally find what is valuable, what is REAL inside of us.

That essentially is what Pluto and Scorpio does. Whatever is weak "trash" is brought up and eliminated. Pluto and Scorpio are also about power, so if something is not making us powerful, it will be sought and obliterated.

posted October 19, 2018 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
About Pluto/Scorp and need to "pay", well, its about death, sex and taxes, among other things. The payment is like the taxes.

Pluto is good at finding unpaid debts ;D

Sure there are immature and actually quite cruel manifestations of Plutonic or Scorpionic individuals. But when that happens, when it is literally an immature power struggle like that, it essentially means the Plutonic or Scorpionic individual has not, themselves, paid.

While on the surface it might seem like an awful thing, there could be a "positive outcome" to this. You may very well have done exactly what needed to be done, with your Plutonian energy, in order to help him in some way.

The path to growth and learning can often involve much pain and struggle. Many people wish learning didn't have to involve pain, but sometimes it really does, and sometimes it's really needed.

I'll paraphrase what I said to a friend about his toxic relationship (he himself was not blameless).
I said essentially that sometimes all of the horrible things that come out of us, all of the "trash" that is extracted via a painful relationship, is [b]exactly what is needed to remove our "blocks". Once we take out our energetic trash, and get to know ourselves, even our negativity (anger/depression/coldness and what have you), then we can finally find what is valuable, what is REAL inside of us.

That essentially is what Pluto and Scorpio does. Whatever is weak "trash" is brought up and eliminated. Pluto and Scorpio are also about power, so if something is not making us powerful, it will be sought and obliterated.

How long we remain in the "plutonic aftermath funk" depends on how stubbornly we cling to our trash. [/B]

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Thank you dear!

Yes, you are right of course!<3

Interesting new thing for me, with the connection to scorpio and "paying", and depts. I never saw that connection before, so thank you very much for that enlightment! <3
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Looking back, I don't think I would have changed a thing! Because the whole experience was so cathartic, for me atleast. I learned so much about myself. (edit: Ok maybe some stuff I would have changed!)

Well, plutonians/scorpios, does really process the wounds they carry inside, through relationships, and this is the case with most relationships. Some call it "baggage" we bring into the relationships.

But its more complex then that of course. Thank you for reminding of that! <3

I tend to either focus on the bad scorpio/pluto stuff or the good stuff.

Then with comments like yours, I snap back to see things as they are, grey scales. Nothing is black or white.

And I did let go in the end! I felt so free! It was scary at first, to not have that dramatic feelings inside of me, they had become a part of me for months. But I felt so free after some time.

Transformation took place, and I feel in balance now, by "not wanna control" things or him. Thats the true and best part of scorpio/pluto

Yes he had a big part in it of course, sometimes I think I just alone was a terrible person, but yes, he had a big part in it. I believe he too processed bad stuff inside of him. Oh he did made me pay for the stuff I made him do or put through haha, big time!
Power games deluxe..

Now its like, nothing bad ever happened between us!

The more space I gave, by being abcent and by not having expectations, the more normal he became haha. (we both have aries/gem, we don't hold on to grudges)

Now he acts like his normal loving caring self, its exciting and scary at the same time.

I'm a bit scared. Pluto energy, often sneaks up on you. I don't wanna play with fire, and find myself become obsessed and "punishing" and controlling again

posted October 19, 2018 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Hello I'm a plutonic gal, and I'm so ashamed of the things I have put my guy friends I had crushes on and flirtationships with over the past years :(

The latest one just this winter-spring. When I think back and read stuff here, No wonder he turned the way he did! Poor thing must have felt so irked and off put by my offensive energies :(

I basically turned a warm and bubbly Leo/aries/libra to an ice cold, depressive and withdrawn person.

(We are back to normal now though thank god!)

Jewel Mayberry,s videos about pluto and obsessions has helped me so much.. but only now, when I have accepted my "problems" fully.

One thing we don't talk much about at this forum (or maybe we do and I miss it dunno)
is how pluto also is so "punishing".

For ex, (and this is not true love of course) you are obsessed with a person, who is always happy and accomadating towards you, or always gives care and attention. But as soon as the person stops, or have a couple of days when he/she is down, the obsessed person takes this personally, and starts to punish the other for being cold, with being colder, or withoulding his/her attention, love and care etc...

Or other scenarious I can't think of now.

Basically, the plutonic person wants to be able to control the outcomes, and the other person to some degree. It does not have to mean the obsessed one is a psycopathic manipulator! Thats the extreme case.

If the love object does not act in the ways the plutonic wanted him/her to act, he/she will punish the other in some ways. Often not conciously though!

What can you guys say about this?
Have your scorpio guys (or you self) acted by "witholding" something? Love, attention, care etc? By being super cold, and seemed to carry an inner ice cold rage? etc

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my scorpio dominant fiancee does this and has throughout our relationship

things will be going well and then the punishment and control games start because i'll say something she didnt like

and then it's just a nightmare for a bit til it isnt anymore

it's a lot to deal with, and she'll even say she could understand if i hated her and left while telling me she wants to me to stay and loves me while acting in ways that make me want to walk out

and then i don't and things are great again like it never happened

posted October 20, 2018 06:07 AM            

thats so harsh, I hope she has settled or settles a bit with time?
I have to say, for me its all about feeling insecure and unloved etc and its normal bc I'm not in a real relationship, we can not talk things out, which my gem moon craves, talking about things that bothers me, will make all my anxieties disappear!