posted November 22, 2018 12:01 PM            

We have both aspects (my Pluto conj his Moon and his Pluto trine my Venus) in Synastry so I don't know which aspect is causing what feelings. And because both our Plutos are activated so I'm wondering who's actually more obsessed.

posted November 22, 2018 01:08 PM            

I can also imagine that moon would be more profound and significant than Venus. Although it’s not directly sexual, it creates a significant, intense emotional bond, with obsessive tendencies! So its effects are not only positive. Depending on who you’re having this aspect with, the outcome can differ.

If it’s someone that is your type then it would eventually lead to a sexual expression. How it plays out and how it’s received depends on your individual charts, though.
Some people can’t handle Pluto energy, it makes them feel uneasy. It’s compelling but also repelling at the same time. Attraction and repulsion would go hand in hand in this case.

Whoever handles Pluto better, or is more Plutonian will be more obsessed .. I think.

I can only talk from experience.. my chart is quite Plutonian, so no matter whose Pluto it is, I usually get obsessed.. I really dive into the relationship, when someone awakens my interest. If I don’t feel like obsessing, I’m usually not that into that person in the first place. So to me that’s a good indicator, whether I’m in love or not. At least that’s how it’s always been. I can imagine that this might change, as I get older and hopefully more mature.

posted November 22, 2018 02:12 PM            

I currently have Venus trine Pluto, where I am Pluto. I can't speak to this one yet. I honestly think both people can share the obsessiveness. In the Moon Pluto DW and this Venus Pluto relationship, we are each highly Plutonian people. It drove me nuts, and I can easily obsess on and on. Obviously they don't really divulge to me whether they are obsessing or not, but I feel it. I personally can feel the intensity and know they feel it too.

What I have read is that Pluto Venus, especially as a double whammy, is indicative of great true love. We have an exact trine of Pluto to Venus, and his Pluto is 7 degrees away from my Venus... probably a bit wide but maybe it has some effect due to the DW nature. I don't know yet, it just started, but I will keep my eyes open for this one!

posted November 22, 2018 05:47 PM            

we're discussing this elsewhere.. The "who feels what" question but with a difference.
Here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008433.html

Basically, the question being posed is:
"when someone has it already natally. What the impact is when someone else touches it, and they DONT have it natally."

StoneMoon, it seems some people declare that when they have it natally, it is less felt than the other person who doesn't have it natally.

I suggest that, at the least, if you have it natally then you are more accustomed to the vibe, and also, other people's responses to that vibe.

So, with my Moon conjunct Uranus, I have a lifetime of conditioning responses to others of my generation that I interact with who get excited by me. Who find me original, different and exciting, and like no one else they have ever met. All things people have said.

So, if you're feeling obsessed, I wonder that, if he has it natally, he will be used to that. So, perhaps take it cooly. I am having same situation with someone with Pluto trine Venus and am considering the same question.

With your situation, does he then have Pluto trine Venus natally?

posted November 22, 2018 05:54 PM            

you must understand deeper the difference between the two planets: Venus and Moon.

They are both emotions:
Moon is child, base, and primal, relating to basic biological attachments.

Venus is older attachments, and about attraction to peers after base development has taken place with parents.

Both intertwine and relate to each other and both can be intense. As is true for all the planets.

posted November 22, 2018 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
StoneMoon, I’m really curious about your biglove
Can you post the synastry and composite?

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Luna I started a new thread for you so I didn't use this one up!

posted November 22, 2018 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
StoneMoon -

we're discussing this elsewhere.. The "who feels what" question but with a difference.
Here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008433.html

Basically, the question being posed is:
"when someone has it already natally. What the impact is when someone else touches it, and they DONT have it natally."

StoneMoon, it seems some people declare that when they have it natally, it is less felt than the other person who doesn't have it natally.

I suggest that, at the least, if you have it natally then you are more accustomed to the vibe, and also, other people's responses to that vibe.

So, with my Moon conjunct Uranus, I have a lifetime of conditioning responses to others of my generation that I interact with who get excited by me. Who find me original, different and exciting, and like no one else they have ever met. All things people have said.

So, if you're feeling obsessed, I wonder that, if he has it natally, he will be used to that. So, perhaps take it cooly. I am having same situation with someone with Pluto trine Venus and am considering the same question.

With your situation, does he then have Pluto trine Venus natally?

Should I assuming that you do not?

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He has Pluto square Venus, Pluto sextile Sun, and Pluto opposite Moon in natal. I am 8th house Sun Jupiter, Scorpio rising. My Pluto parallels my Venus, so I have a touch of that myself.

I obsess naturally. I am also Virgo Venus, we obsess! I am well conditioned to my obsessiveness and know how to keep it contained. But I obsess on the inside. I have a decent poker face at this point in my life. I am not certain that it is always the more Plutonian one who obsesses or doesn't, I think people can shift back and forth. Especially when they are both Plutonian.

posted November 22, 2018 06:14 PM            

Where is it? Can you put a link in your comment above please.

Edit: ok here it is: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008463.html

posted November 22, 2018 10:46 PM            

As the Pluto person...
I felt scared, at how much the Moon person affected me. I realized that they couldn't read my emotions the way I could read theirs, and used this to my advantage in order to avoid looking weak or obsessed. (Hard aspects. In the easy aspects, it was way less fear-based, because there was mutual trust, but I was still a little freaked out at how much they meant to me.)

Pluto Venus - As the Venus
I felt, inexplicably attracted to the Pluto person, and kept coming back for more. Over time I became their slave, whether mentally or sexually. But I didn't mind. Deep, unbreakable, unspoken bond that is always there, even if the relationship falls apart or never even manifests fully. All conjunctions.

As the Pluto
I felt... scared at the power the Venus person had over me. Realized that they didn't realize how I felt, and that I had power over them because they didn't see through me like I saw through them. I loved everything about them. The way they looked, presented themselves, acted towards me and others, their taste in everything, their intensity. It's a powerful attraction that runs so deeply, can't be put into words.
(hard aspects)

Both come with a lot of fear of loss, and acting out on that fear. Pluto, by playing the more powerful and standoffish one, and Venus / Moon, by being generally blindsided by the Pluto's power over them and unable to say no, or angrily trying to avoid them in order to protect themselves because they sense the power plays at hand. Both Venus/Moon and Pluto do this actually.

posted November 23, 2018 12:56 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:

Basically, the question being posed is:
"when someone has it already natally. What the impact is when someone else touches it, and they DONT have it natally."

StoneMoon, it seems some people declare that when they have it natally, it is less felt than the other person.

I suggest that, at the least, if you have it natally then you are more accustomed to the vibe, and also, other people's responses to that.

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What happens when both have an aspect nataly, and this repeats in synastry and in composite? Let’s say Venus square Saturn or Pluto? Do you have info on that?
Is it a bigger issue then, or less so, because both people are already familiar with this?

posted November 23, 2018 02:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Then shortly after that, I started my relationship with my luv, wheres my Pluto, this time, conjuncted his Moon, at an exact degree.
At first I wasn't sexually attracted to him at allll..but the emotional connection was very intense... and then one day I fell, and I fell hard. Like, over the tall cliff and into the ocean, of love. The intensity of our connection was outwardly. The jealousy was unbearable and palpable, from both of us. The fear of losing the other was paralyzing. There was a constant perception that something or someone will take the other away and this will all end. He said - if I die, you better come with me! ..And I was like- Where else I'd be". Romeo and Juliette.
If I can describe the ridiculous level of jealousy that we felt, i'd use one simple example - so, he goes away for the holidays, and I miss him terribly but then I find little love notes written by him all over my place which he had hidden the day before he left and that put a big smile on my face. So I am pulling tarot cards to see what he is doing over there. The first card I pulled was Page of Pentacles. I am like- hmmmm, what the f+ck that means..I google the meaning of it and I am reading slowly - ""the Page of Pentacles is a handsome Prince who is standing alone in a garden surrounded by beautiful flowers. "" I remember very well that when I read that, I jumped from my seat, stood in the middle of the room almost shouting in my head - FLOWERS??? He is surrounded by beautiful FLOWERRS??? Who are these bit++es? OHHHH, I knew it!! OMG.
And then I cried.

hahaha...true story..

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Hahaha... that story is so cute but I totally get it. It's how I feel too being Pluto conjunct his Moon. I constantly fear losing him, hate it when gals go too close to him. Sometimes I've an inexplicable fear that he's sleeping with other girls or he'll suddenly leave me. I became an insecure little girl who wants him to show me lots of love and pamper me. I feel a strong need to reach out to him ALL THE TIME but I don't wanna be clingy. Clinginess is really not my thing so it makes me crazy that I'm behaving out of character.

He seems cool being the Moon and I'm wondering if it's because he has this aspect natally. However, I also wonder if it's only because he's good at keeping it in? E.g. I noticed that he'll give me the "stare" when I talk to other guys. He has also secretly checked on my FB even though he doesn't have an account. He told me he feels attached to me (like he needs to see me & talk to me) and sometimes like he's going crazy (which I really can't tell honestly). Our attraction towards each other is very obvious though. We won't say what we're thinking (or what we want) but our body language is obvious and uncontrollable.

posted November 23, 2018 02:52 AM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
I didn’t have any of those aspects yet, but I can imagine that a Moon/Pluto conjunction must be really intense! Definitely beats that Venus trine, in intensity.

I can also imagine that moon would be more profound and significant than Venus. Although it’s not directly sexual, it creates a significant, intense emotional bond, with obsessive tendencies! So its effects are not only positive. Depending on who you’re having this aspect with, the outcome can differ.

If it’s someone that is your type then it would eventually lead to a sexual expression. How it plays out and how it’s received depends on your individual charts, though.
Some people can’t handle Pluto energy, it makes them feel uneasy. It’s compelling but also repelling at the same time. Attraction and repulsion would go hand in hand in this case.

Whoever handles Pluto better, or is more Plutonian will be more obsessed .. I think.

I can only talk from experience.. my chart is quite Plutonian, so no matter whose Pluto it is, I usually get obsessed.. I really dive into the relationship, when someone awakens my interest. If I don’t feel like obsessing, I’m usually not that into that person in the first place. So to me that’s a good indicator, whether I’m in love or not. At least that’s how it’s always been. I can imagine that this might change, as I get older and hopefully more mature.

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He has Pluto in 3rd house conjunct Moon/NN/IC, square Mars/Jupiter/Asc while I have Pluto in 5th house quincunx Sun, quintile Moon, conjunct Vertex, trine Asc so I would think he's the plutonian one? Neither of us have Scorpio (except both our Uranus and his Juno) nor planets in the 8th.

posted November 23, 2018 03:02 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
I have had both, not at the same time. My most intense relationships have had Moon trine Pluto. I am moon. It is deep and emotional and binding... raw. The biggest love of my life so far was a DW trine and sextile Moon/Pluto. Unfortunately it didn't override other aspects in the charts.

I currently have Venus trine Pluto, where I am Pluto. I can't speak to this one yet. I honestly think both people can share the obsessiveness. In the Moon Pluto DW and this Venus Pluto relationship, we are each highly Plutonian people. It drove me nuts, and I can easily obsess on and on. Obviously they don't really divulge to me whether they are obsessing or not, but I feel it. I personally can feel the intensity and know they feel it too.

What I have read is that Pluto Venus, especially as a double whammy, is indicative of great true love. We have an exact trine of Pluto to Venus, and his Pluto is 7 degrees away from my Venus... probably a bit wide but maybe it has some effect due to the DW nature. I don't know yet, it just started, but I will keep my eyes open for this one!

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posted November 23, 2018 04:48 AM            

Think I'm repeating myself but think of this:

The Venus or Moon person is totally used to people of their generation's Pluto hitting their Moon or Venus.

So, people sexually or emotionally (both emotional NEEDing) wanting them is something common to their life and love experience.

If they have other aspects that are returning the attraction to the Pluto person, like Mars, or again Pluto (so DW), then they will appreciate the Pluto intense attraction, and return it, to some people.

But for others where there are no returning aspects that give attraction to the Pluto person, it will be one way obsession from the Pluto person. And that person will just be another sex-crazed or emotionally needy person they experience in their life journey.

posted November 24, 2018 02:50 AM            

Yes I totally agree with that. Orbs are so important all round. Edit: it will be interesting and I'll get back to you - my current interest is 7 degrees Venus trine Pluto. My Pluto is 2 degrees trine his Venus :P (gives me hope).

To my points, I say again: all in theory.

Because, OTOH (says my Libran Moon), unless it's a matter of when it's in your chart you cannot see it because it kind of gets lost in the noise of the whole chart. And it's too subjective and you cannot see it until it's kind of projected on to another person external to the self?

Maybe, only when someone comes along and triggers it can the person with it feel it?

But, still, that would mean that everyone triggers it though. There would then (I am pondering again) still have to be something else about that person that is different to all the other people of that generation that trigger that same planet or aspect of that person. Like, say a Mars/Venus synastry aspect.

Maybe when that is the case, the person with the generational planet/aspect we are querying is more tuned in and receptive to activating that generational planet/aspect dynamic inside of them. Like, more receptive to having that planet/aspect "turned on".

Yes StoneMoon, we understand and that is different it is agreed, and no doubt it would be felt.

Guess we're looking for the thresholds of all these things.

Hikaru29 - sorry for hijacking!