posted November 30, 2018 04:56 PM            

Well, move it on then. I think he may very well be feeling happy with the pen pal relationship, as they call it here. And since I use online dating, I have experienced the same. Some guys have been on there a veeeeerrrrrrryyyyyyy long time. It's a weird thing. Go with the guy that is interested in real life connections too.

Care to share the composite of the new guy?

posted November 30, 2018 11:59 PM            

I will move on all the same because it is time for me to take more dates (dating site, hahaha). Looks like he and I will stay in touch with our virtual relationship then. I'll be out with the other guy soon, and then I'll have both of them. He is a Sag with Aqua, so, prob when I am gone he'll kick into action and want me. A modern day tragedy, lol.

This other guy, like your situation, it's a much more mature situation. He has the resources also, he's quite older, and is ready for a chill companionship. I'm happy to post the synastry and I will. It's amazing how the synastry couldn't be any worse though. It will be an interesting field observation of the two extremes back to back.

I was out for dinner last night with my very first ex.. from when I was in my teen years (we're very close and he is well married). We have a lot of squares.. I could feel them last night when in his company. I felt tense from them. Astrology is amazing hey

Here's the other guy (did you ever seen such a dog's breakfast ):
Synastry me: inner; he outer:

Note that the main ok ones are to my Venus, whereas guy #1 my Venus was completely challenged. Here it includes a trine from Pluto. Finally, someone can obsess over me for a change.

It will be interesting to compare!

Planet positions:

Composite (I know right - but this is interesting, hey):

I do not like the look of that Mercury (they are quintiles though to both Moon and Mars).

The Mercury is 2 degrees off my NN, and 5 degrees off my natal Sun
Jupiter is 8 degrees off my Venus
Jupiter is square his Sun
Saturn is 5 degrees off his natal Sun
Mars (etc) is opposite his natal Sun and conjunct my Pluto

For starters.. It will be interesting!

And here's his natal:

posted December 01, 2018 03:39 PM            

Juno to Saturn, Juno to Sun... Moon Mercury, Sun Mercury, Venus Mars, Venus Moon, Sun Venus.... I think this shows good potential.

I am leery of the chiron square mars and chiron square jupiter. I feel like this is a big issue here. Jupiter representing your beliefs and philosophy on life will dredge up some of his issues, and the way he behaves and how he goes about things will tromp on you. Sun opposite Pluto, well we know about this one! Potential for power plays, but also very transformative. I actually like this.

Your Moon Uranus can handle the Uranus interaction to your Sun, but can his Moon handle yours? In a sense, I kind of think yes. Because he has an Aries moon, and your Uranus gives your Libra moon an Aqua flair. SO I don't see this being too problematic. Plus his is a 10th house moon, so he is ambitious and work focused and can deal with the Uranian side needing a little freedom. He needs it too. Thinking about his Uranus on your SN. But love his Juno on yours!

Saturn trine Juno is the strongest Saturn aspect. Given your Cap planet and his 10th house planets, I think you two would need more Saturn to make this truly viable. Thoughts?

And the Saturn in composite conjunct Chiron, ouch! And in the 12th? Times are correct? Opposite Mars. Again, not great. Yeah, this composite is rough. The only thing I like is the Moon trine Sun, but I don't think it's going to compensate for the rough parts.

posted December 01, 2018 05:09 PM            

It will be very interesting, I can compare both people and synastry. And it will be interesting to compare the synastry dynamic with the composite of this one person. Some have said that a composite can work even though synastry is bad. Here is a "strong" composite so if it is possible, this one is surely strong enough to make that happen.

Also, that each natal links into the composite better with the second guy, than with the first guy and our composite - it will be another thing to observe. I'll also be looking at our Davison.

And potentially the second one is more interesting than the first one, both with synastry and composite. I mean, the first guy - we are so similar. The composite is very similar to both of our natals too (if looking at houses) and is maybe not dynamic enough to sustain interest. And we have Saturn in the 5H of our composite. Is this what's stopping us? Even though we both have it in our natals.

Or is it because he has small peenie (Saturn/Mars): http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/011255.html (more in post below)

The second guy, mind you has been waiting for me. We have been in contact for some months also, but not at all the chit chat that I have had with first guy.

posted December 01, 2018 05:11 PM            

Again, the Mars/Venus theme is continues in the rapport here with this person.

Saturn in the composite 5H:
(one interpretation from some random site)
"Saturn in Leo/Fifth House
The house of creativity, child-rearing, play, and romance becomes more serious with Saturn placed here. It is unlikely that either partner will be unfaithful, but this may be a fear that one or both have to work through. There may be a serious attitude to raising children, and the lesson here is to lighten up and avoid being authoritarian when parenting. Though there may be a sense of restriction around letting go and enjoying life, Saturn here can provide a practical basis for a couple to take their creativity to the professional level, become stable parents, and cultivate a well-rounded sense of fun."

And a link to a short LL thread here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000488.html

posted December 01, 2018 06:39 PM            

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Good thread! I was gonna start one, but found this one instead.

Breasts:

-Cancer moons or Cancer influence in general. These girls generally have quite large and beautiful breasts, a few of my exes had Cancer moons. A Cancer influence in general as well tends to give large breasts, but it can be hit or miss, I notice since Cancer rules the breasts it can give very large ones or basically nonexistant ones. But a Cancer moon is more consistent for large breasts.

-Jupiter in aspect to the moon. This tends to give very large, well shaped breasts. Some of my exes have had this and yeah they had nice pairs. A famous example would be Keeley Hazell (google her) has her Moon conjunct Jupiter in Pisces.

Vagina:

The common denominator I`ve found in my experience that determines tightness and depth are aspects between Venus and Saturn or Jupiter.

Venus (ruling the female sex organs) in strong aspect to Saturn (limitation) gives the woman a small vagina generally, as long as Jupiter isn`t aspecting it as well. Jupiter soley in aspect to Venus gives a larger one.

I like Venus Saturn aspects in my women, well not just for that. Shows they`re more committed as well.

Penis:

Similar to the previous body part only now with Mars instead of venus, look to aspects between Mars and Jupiter or Saturn. Mars in aspect to Jupiter will generally make the dude bigger than average. Saturn in aspect to mars conversely generally gives a smaller one.

Butt:

Libra influence!

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Hmm... Libra influence too (his Mars is in Libra).

Everyone says about Libra Mars = low sex drive.. I don't think it's true though from forums I have read and a facebook poll I was in.

posted December 02, 2018 04:10 AM            

My friend is a cancer venus and moon and has absolutely no chest, doesn't need to wear a bra at all. I am cancer Sun conjunct jupiter, and I am very slim long and lean type, not curvy at all. And my Jupiter opposes my Moon.

though sometimes they ring true too because same friend I mentioned above has Libra mars and her sex drive is pretty low. I think it's due to choice, she and her husband (aqua mars) divert all their physical energy to running.

posted December 02, 2018 04:21 AM            

the point is not to focus on my synastry, so much as to see that maybe in later stages of life this is not such a bad thing. I feel earlier relationships need the push of differences between two people to "spark" them to grow. You need the dynamics. But as we age, we come to a time of "settling in" and owning our own. Finding someone on a similar path could be very comforting. But that means they have similarities you can relate to, but not drown in or become enabled by. The real kicker is that they HAVE to be at the same or similar point spiritually to be ready to work on it together or it does just become a whirlpool.

Is the relationship you are experiencing with guy #1 not highlighting self vs. other already ? The irony! He's got to learn how to come out in to the world with you. Right now, he is feeding HIS needs emotionally through you, and while that was feeding you some too, it's not anymore.

Second guy, I don't know if it will get off the ground either. That Venus Mars opposition is trying though! The Moon in composite seems to be very supportive, and visually to me it is holding everything together. It's strong too- in Cancer 4th house! I kind of like it! Venus's tights aspect is the sextile to Jupiter and I like that too! Neptune as the chart ruler is in good shape.

posted December 02, 2018 02:29 PM            

I agree StoneMoon. And it works the other way around too: I think when I was younger I was looking for the same. As I've grown older I can tolerate difference a lot more.

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"the point is not to focus on my synastry, so much as to see that maybe in later stages of life this is not such a bad thing. I feel earlier relationships need the push of differences between two people to "spark" them to grow. You need the dynamics. But as we age, we come to a time of "settling in" and owning our own. Finding someone on a similar path could be very comforting. But that means they have similarities you can relate to, but not drown in or become enabled by. The real kicker is that they HAVE to be at the same or similar point spiritually to be ready to work on it together or it does just become a whirlpool"

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I am totally on board with your thinking here. And also what you say about mirrored configurations. I tend to hope/imagine that it means empathy. Either a reflection of each other's character challenges, or talents/similarities too. But still it doesn't always work that way. Maybe it's just the men on this side of the world but empathy remains a somewhat rare commodity, so I remain conservative in this area.

Because on the other hand, if those character points are too challenged, then those aspects of each other's character cannot support the relationship and it's instead a triggering effect. That is, if the people are not developed it can be the hole in the hull that takes the whole ship down. I would think though, with your guy, he's more of a grown-up

StoneMoon, the #2 guy I have here TOB is unknown. I am meeting up with him this week and will keep my post here updated. All those squares will be interesting it may be time for me to come to terms more with squares. I am aware of how shy I am of them since life being so painful.

#1, I have pushed more yesterday. We've danced around the idea of going camping... Seriously though, it's been going on for so long from a distance real life has a high risk of being awkward. Guess we'll see.

Also, I remembered that, in the composite the Moon tends to represent the woman. In our composite the Moon is conjunct Pluto. I'm not sure I want to be engaged with someone where I am more emotionally attached (which is how I would see that). I'm off now to look at the representation of the other composite planets.

One thing you say I don't understand: your Venus/Mars are in Virgo and his are Gemini. Same mode, yes. Not same sign?

posted December 02, 2018 04:15 PM            

He has 4th/10th Pisces/Virgo intercepted, and obviously Moon, Pluto and Chiron are stuck in those interceptions. You don't have Leo qualities really, but you do have the strong Aqua Sun that let's him in to this locked 4th house. This is good, but what is he getting in to? Chiron. So there is bound to be some discovery for himself happening IF the two of you come together. But this is good. Given his age, this is the prime time of his life to choose this path, or not. He has life experience, and if he also has wisdom and maturity, then he can/will be able to choose this. Though my last relationship, my "big love", he did not. And he is older than your guy here. All about readiness.

You have experienced hurt in love, and that's unfortunately part of the nature of Venus square Chiron. Applying what Todd stated in the other thread on Chiron, its not just about healing but also about intellectual criticism. So these life experiences are put before you to help you gain that ability to intellectually pull apart the reality, the situation, and the things you need to decipher to move forward in your evolution. For him, he has this square with Mercury. So would you take this then as pain through communication? Perhaps he feels the inability to speak or he has had trauma through communication (thinking verbal abuse, or people manipulating their words or his... some thing that causes him to retreat from actually engaging mentally with others from the pain of past experiences. Even a speech impediment?

But I keep coming back to the thought how your Mercury supports you despite the square between Chiron and Venus. And his Venus supports his Chiron within the square between Chiron and Mercury. IF the two of you were to connect and form a relationship, I feel the potential is there to offer mutual support and insight.

I see the Mars Saturn opposition more as he stops himself from acting. Maybe bcs he has a libra mars and seeks balance and harmony, but that Aries Saturn puts himself first... this is exactly what he is doing right now. He wants to connect and reach out, but he is protecting himself. Will he get over this? Libra Mars can be indecisive as it is ...

His Jupiter Uranus trine the Venus makes me feel like it elevates his eccentricity and expression of his Venus. Definitely more Aquarian, and I think he needs an Aqua relationship. But you do too in a sense. All these aspects in his chart point to independence and he's kind of a loner. And add to that his age, he's settled... as you mentioned in the other thread...

And with Moon and Pluto locked up in the 10th, he can't really connect and bring himself in touch with his emotions and with his personal ability to transform. 10th house adds a little Saturn, cap flair to his moon. So while he can be neurotic/perfectionistic/anxious as it is due to Virgo, now he is more Cap like... stoic. Feelings yes, but more severe/austere in expression. I can speak to that. Not really able to BS feelings, but it's more like he can't access them anyway.

Now maybe your Saturn in 5th IS a potential key for him. After all, he has these Cap/Saturn qualities about him... so your Saturn having some Leoness to it could be what helps him access that 10th house in the end.

This will be interesting!!!! Keep me posted on his response about an actual meeting. But lets' have fun with guy #2 still.

posted December 02, 2018 04:30 PM            

I meant I have Mars and Venus both in Virgo, but not conjunct. His are both in Gem, but not conjunct. This is just a resonance between us.

posted December 02, 2018 04:51 PM            

thank you for your generous time.. I really appreciate your insights and accessing your thoughts.

Yes.. I am very Capricorn, and I like feeling it in others. Isn't it funny how our charts overlay similar themes and vibes? Also, my SN is Leo . It's conjunct his Aphrodite at 25 Leo.

His Moon IS opposite my Sun btw. I hope this means he will be dependent on me, lol. Because I am already a bit mental with attachment issues so that would be good. And also that My Venus and (widely) Saturn will trap his Moon into safeness. Also, the composite Jupiter/Saturn may do this too I hope. And yep, we are both loners too, that do our own thing and don't like conforming (Uranus), we don't run with any crowds and don't like being told what to do (Aries), we like quiet time retreated away at home or in nature (12H). But maybe with close relationship dependency issues too, looking at our Venus and Libra overlays.

And, yes.. it all depends on readiness. I hear what you say AND I feel it. I suspect he is not able or ready though.

In regards to his Mercury/Chiron he has these weird outbursts - by text. I've said it before but I have to say it again.. Things like this; arguing with me - but not me at all - like: "oh and you would XYZ that's just typical.. ". This was just in the first couple of weeks. And then after, he has text his observation how "that was really weird". No embarrassment whatsoever. And, yes, his Mercury is also square Pluto. (I've read on it and) I suspect he has Aspergers? Or on the spectrum anyhow.. (but then, who isn't?). So, yes, I've got what he wants with my Mercury. And too, he has what I want. This - again - underscores the Venus/Mars nature of the interaction: the vanity and taking and wanting for the self, and the other as a representation of what we want and are missing. Unfortunately, because I would like something deeper (but it can become maybe I understand).

But also, a common theme and again with the Mars/Venus is the struggle between self and other: note again that my ruler of my IC is Mars. And, also my Venus is in 12H. And, Moon in Libra (opposite that IC, and prb conjunct Uranus too has something to do with serving others..) I struggle constantly with caring for and giving to others first. It's been totally my downfall because of all the takers. Chatting and feeling his selfishness has liberated me. I have spoken (by text, lol) extremely forthrightly with him (I know, weird right?) and he just comes back. It's like I am allowed to do that.. I am allowed to bombard with text and vent.. His Aries 5H obvs doesn't mind this.

I am now looking at the Uranus square the composite "Love Stellium". Apparently, it can never work. That basically, the attraction is completely based on not having the rapport grounded at all, that it needs to be inaccessible. And, if/when it is ever grounded or structured, the attraction just disappears. I would like to imagine that as we are older it may not be the case. But, hey, I am only older and wiser to know better that to imagine that I can outdo astrology! I wonder if the other aspects in the composite would hold things up though?

With the healing aspects, and the Uranus aspects, it maybe just be a situation where we help the healing process over a short electronic relationship. Which is what we've had. I have noticed him grow a lot more composed over our interaction too. So, like you say - he's taking the emotional support from this interaction. Then there's the SN aspects too.. Hmm..

posted December 02, 2018 08:26 PM            

I can definitely see aspergers being a mercury/chiron, but would actually attribute it to Mercury Uranus maybe too? To me, the spectrum of autism is about having different critical skills- different means of thinking and communicating. I read an article a long time ago about it being an ancient method of communication when we were nomadic, because all of the nonverbal cues and expressions that exhibit in autism would have been relevant at that time. Few other people, each man a loner, and needing to safely coexist with animals (no eye contact, few verbal exchanges...)

Anyway, I digress.

Moon Uranus is about integrating the feminine and masculine too according to Liz Green. I did a fascinating "study" of my family, and nearly all the women in my family carry this hallmark. Including my daughters. Mine is a quintile, my daughter a trine. Several conjunctions, some trines. But it was on both sides as far as I could see. And though mine is softer, I definitely struggle. Even literally- I am a single parent and my ex-husband does not coparent much, therefore I am both mother and father. I have to integrate being the sole provider and the career focused self with the softer maternal self.

He has this too? Have you checked for a parallel between his moon and uranus? As do you! But you knew that.

I actually think that uranus square the stellium is pretty wide. I see the square being more relevant to the ASC, which can be the same problem as you described. But I do see several significant tie ins from the composite. Obviously the stellium is on your ASC. But his Mars Saturn is being activated by the stellium too!

And the Moon squares his Sun/Mercury. Which means it also hits that damn chiron. But pertinent points in both your charts are getting set off.

posted December 02, 2018 11:39 PM            

Also our male/female ideals are imprinted in our natals: his Venus in Aqua, my Mars in Sag. So again, the Venus Mars business going on.

In regards to the composite Uranus, I guess that signifies the Male? But I don't know. Also, see how the Saturn is not really connected in to that stellium. It is to the Moon with a quintile only.

BUT, and this IS my question with astrology - in our Davison the Saturn in square the stellium. Uranus still poses a problem there though I see.

Can you explain what parallels are? I am not aware of what they are.

posted December 03, 2018 07:08 AM            

To find the parallel charts, on astro.com you pull up each of your natal charts. Just on top of the chart display, to the left, is a button/link that says "pdf additional tables". Click that and it pulls up a chart showing declinations. Check the declinations column and compare yours to his. It will also show you underlying dynamics of an individual.

For example, my Venus and Pluto do not interact in my natal chart. But they are parallel, which gives me a subtle Venus Pluto conjunction effect in my chart.

When checking parallels, the conjunctions and oppositions are most relevant, and the orbs are kept to one and a half degrees or less. If a parallel exists alongside a natal or synastry conjunction, the effect is amplified.

posted December 04, 2018 04:58 AM            

Me:

posted December 04, 2018 08:09 AM            

Your sun (13S) is contraparallel his moon (12N) (so, like an opposite)
Your Sun is parallel to his Juno (12S)

Your ASC is parallel his Venus (22 and 21S)
Your ASCs are parallel too
Your Venus' are parallel

posted December 06, 2018 06:20 PM            

what's the update? Did you meet? Your date with the new guy is tonight/tomorrow?

posted December 06, 2018 08:48 PM            

Haha.. yes.. yes.. I do..! Your Sun and Jupiter on my DC - hubba hubba I will get a synastry chart going with us also and have a look.

I didn't see that pattern completion.. thanks for pointing that out, I'll consider.. hmm.. And my Vertex POF completes his Venus/Jupiter/Uranus? I don't think those points count though. Or, maybe they do for me only, as they do not give off energy?

Nevertheless, looks like I'm just not doing it for #1 anyhow.

Well... it's all coming to a head. I'm putting the screws on #1. AND feeling it (damn you Chiron). #2 called today - thankfully. Because we were supposed to meet up this week and he is my way out of #1. I also didn't want another blow to my esteem. #1 is not budging. I've bombarded him with all info about me moving on, and that we should stay friends. So, he can consider himself friend-zoned, and maybe that will take pressure off his little Virgo Moon feeling pressed by my big bad Jupiter/Mars. Or whatever the issue is.

In the mean time, I have collected #3, another Sag that I will have a date with. But, also, a #4 that is same sign and same year as me. Maybe my astrological twin? Too, too exciting.. I worked hard not to ask his birthday and time on first contact. Not really, but you know what I mean.

I am going to play so, so, cool from here and make a seriously concerted effort to not think too much about their charts. Lay really low, let it unfold, and let them do everything. I cannot promise to not look at their charts though, I know my limits.

Like I said to #1, it's hard to meet someone. It's time for me now as it's been long enough being single. I need to get serious and pull my game up. It's been some years for me StoneMoon, and this is why I am on dating site now

posted December 07, 2018 08:27 AM            

I understand your feelings on laying low. I can't tell you how many times I told myself I was not going to ask for birth info, and then bam! I will wait for you to bring the charts here and then I will help you analyze!

Getting back in to the game is so important. And guy #1 I think is not going to move. I still think its his Mars Saturn. That's a rough one. I hope I am wrong, but I think this fantasy relationship works very well for him. Not so for you!

posted December 07, 2018 07:23 PM            

hmmm.....there is a bit of a supernatural feeling here as the mars/Neptune midpoint is opposed to the vertex and mars is square to the Lilith and trine to the node and sextile to mars and venus.

mars/Neptune strikes me as being problematic as this inclines to insincerity or deception though it does increase an other worldly quality around him.

mars square to Lilith also adds to his charismatic energy toward you

the trine/sextile aspects are quite favorable as it shows a concern for each other along with happy communication and a underlying compatibility.

Jupiter opposed to Saturn is not favorable it shows a hesitancy for a long term hookup,though this is not necessarily writ in stone.but it would take patience and willingness to compromise from both sides as
juno is trine to Jupiter and sextile to Saturn.

this would need to be "serious" from the beginning but the charismatic energies around him suggest he is a bit of a free spirit.

todd

posted December 08, 2018 01:21 AM            

How interesting your interpretation.. Whatever do you mean by supernatural though? Do please tell.

I've wondered if it has to do with those pesky asteroids hanging around in our synastry.. I do get an increasingly weird vibe from him, it is true.

I will ponder more on what you say. If I have further questions I will certainly pose them.

Some question sets in the mean time:
What do you make of that Jupiter opposite Saturn? And the way it floats there in the middle of the composite in particular? Do you find that significant? It seems very disconnected, however, note the two quintiles either end to Moon and Sun. It looks pretty, or balanced, at least.

How do you personally go interpreting a composite back to the natals? What is the relevance in your opinion of natals connecting to the composite? There is debate as to how significant it is and I wondered your views.

Note that this Jupiter/Saturn opposition makes a sextile to my Venus, and also to his Moon at the Jupiter end, and a trine to both equally at the Saturn end. How do you feel about the following interpretation stab from me: that this is a statement of the relationship being a stabilising force to both of those planets in our charts. That are otherwise left out in the cold a bit in the synastry, and also, are rather challenged natally. I see it representing a sort of rudder for the natals? Symbolically at least.

And this could be a push because they are only trines and sextiles which are the least relevant aspects, if at all I've heard, when matching from the composite to the natals.

The Jupiter also (sort-of) falls on his Sun/Pluto MP (wide at 07 Sco) - his Sun is otherwise square to Pluto. So, it may aggravate or relieve the square, or nothing at all.

posted December 08, 2018 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Hi Todd and thanks for your time. We have not connected much so far, so nice to see you.

How interesting your interpretation.. Whatever do you mean by supernatural though? Do please tell.

I've wondered if it has to do with those pesky asteroids hanging around in our synastry.. I do get an increasingly weird vibe from him, it is true.

I will ponder more on what you say. If I have further questions I will certainly pose them.

Some question sets in the mean time:
What do you make of that Jupiter opposite Saturn? And the way it floats there in the middle of the composite in particular? Do you find that significant? It seems very disconnected, however, note the two quintiles either end to Moon and Sun. It looks pretty, or balanced, at least.

How do you personally go interpreting a composite back to the natals? What is the relevance in your opinion of natals connecting to the composite? There is debate as to how significant it is and I wondered your views.

Note that this Jupiter/Saturn opposition makes a sextile to my Venus, and also to his Moon at the Jupiter end, and a trine to both equally at the Saturn end. How do you feel about the following interpretation stab from me: that this is a statement of the relationship being a stabilising force to both of those planets in our charts. That are otherwise left out in the cold a bit in the synastry, and also, are rather challenged natally. I see it representing a sort of rudder for the natals? Symbolically at least.

And this could be a push because they are only trines and sextiles which are the least relevant aspects, if at all I've heard, when matching from the composite to the natals.

The Jupiter also (sort-of) falls on his Sun/Pluto MP (wide at 07 Sco) - his Sun is otherwise square to Pluto. So, it may aggravate or relieve the square, or nothing at all.

Finally, do you have any comments on the Chiron oppositions? Particularly the Moon there (which is present in my natal also, but not in his).

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hi ya
Whatever do you mean by supernatural though

that comment was from the vertex aspect, vertex can bring ather worldly feeling, sometimes strange coicides bring you togeteher. mars/neptune vibrations can add a subconscoius charisma to him, though this aspect can also manifest as a shady or yndiscipline energy

the node/vertex midpoint is square to mercury and venus which can add to the sense of "destiny". it can also bring confusing mental and emotional feelings.

i see biquintile of moon to saturn but none with the sun.
if find the moon/saturn aspect problematic .actuall quintiltes in a compoiste usually manifest as confrontations of will,though occasionally this aspect will manifest as partners enhancing each othersskills. here withg moon and saturn ,iwould expect tension especially as moon and pluto shows a fixed personality in relation to him.

i have found that aspects that characterize a person in th composite, are not necessarily the same in the natal. that is the natal will have aspects that can give similar characteristics, but the aspect will not be exactly the same one as in the composite. so there is not usually a one to one correlation of natal and composite aspects.

i don't usually consider both at the same time as the composite can bring out personality dynamics tha arise from the mutual interactions. i'm sure you have heard" he/she wasn't like that before we were together".
of course i am referring to oposite sex composites.when it is a same sex or multicomposite then i do look toward the natals for clarifiction.

jupiter and saturn opposition are usually contnetious because they are polar
opposites, but the opposition holds out the possibility of reconcialation though here with the moon/saturn biquintile makes this unlikely.

jupiter is quintile to mercury but not venus in the composite,you must be comparing these to te natals which i haven't considered.

as i said ,i think the juno sextlie/ trine to the opposition is significant,

posted December 09, 2018 01:04 AM            

Yes, you are right, quintile and biquintile they are, my mistake.