posted November 26, 2018 01:15 AM            

This is so exciting for me because it's the first chart I've put up here for analysis

This is the dude I've been in a hypothetical situation with.

We have been texting pretty much non stop for 5 months!

We have had several full on trigger arguments where he has said the strangest things.

We don't text dirty, though we have teetered on the edge. And we don't really have conversations either.

There's a number of things I find fascinating about the synastry:
The combination of axis rulers
Both with Saturn in 5H
T-squares
He has much more Saturn contacts, my Venus is heavily challenged
Those squares from my Jup and Mars to his Moon

I won't go into all though.

Just tell me your thoughts please.. several new perspectives will be fascinating!

I will post composite and Davison later!

(I haven't joined so hope these images work ok and remain here don't know why they are off focus)

Me Natal:

He Natal:

We Synastry
(so weird how astro.com doesn't show all the aspects, Refer to grid below):

Synastry Grid - Me horizontal:

posted November 26, 2018 12:14 PM            

His 7th, is Gemini, you have no Gemini planets. The ruler is in sag conjunct the sun in his 1st.
You have nothing in Gemini, Leo. No third, 9th house, or 5th personal planets, BUT your ASC ruler Saturn is in the 5th (which is strong) and it’s square mercury and sun widely. So this helps a bit to match the mercury and sun energy he’s looking for in a partner.
You do have 3 sag planets, which is good as well.
The 7th ruler mercury is conjunct your mars, sextile your sun, widely square your Pluto (but he already has that natally so this isn’t really felt on his side).
So you match the sag energy the most, and a bit of sun and then finally Gemini/mercury.
This is a bit of a redflag to me, I’d like to see a stronger symbolism match or the ruler aspected a bit more. Especially if you’re interested with something more serious or a real relationship with him. Cuz so far from his side this just looks like a fling for him. I don’t think he’s going to want to commit to you tbh or make it past a fwb situation.
His 8th ruler is lacking the most, you have nothing in cancer, no 4th house planets. His ruler is in Virgo, you also have nothing in Virgo or the 6th house, his moon isn’t really aspected enough to really make up for this either; it’s trine your venus, square Jupiter/Neptune and widely mars. Which is something at least, but I’d like to see a conjunction, more hard aspects to personal planets or it involved in a pattern formation or something to really light it up and therefore that 8th house since there isn’t much symbolism match. But it is in the 10th and we know you have good Saturn/cap energy in your chart so that’s something.
But sexual attraction from his side could potentially be lacking or not that strong. Even though his romantic (5th) feelings are if that makes sense.

Aspect wise, your mars conjunct his ASC is GREAT! This is one of my fav aspects to see for physical attraction especially for the mars person which is you and you’re a woman so this is awesome. He’s the type of guy you’re attracted to. The fact aries is his 5th house cups and he’s going to be experiencing you as very marsian with your mars there, this is going to be extra appealing to him too 👍
His mars on your moon is also pretty great, so with these 2 going on this will hopefully help with the chemistry and sex from his side.

Now for you, your DSC ruler moon is conjunct his ASC ruler Jupiter, your moon is also conjunct Uranus, so is his natal Jupiter conjunct his own Uranus. So this is a strong symbolism match, you’re going to be very attracted to him, plus the rulers being conjunct like that.
His mars is also conjunct your 7th ruler moo, and It’s being aspected well (Mars/Jupiter/Uranus/Saturn).

Your 5th ruler Venus is also aspected a lot; his Saturn makes a t-square with your natal Venus square moon/Uranus. So that’s big. You like Saturn energy, it’s in your 5th and your venus itself is in Capricorn. So this is going to feel good/appealing for you. Its also trine his moon, square his Jupiter/Uranus and mars. So your venus and 5th house is being stimulated nicely.
Your 8th house is Leo, he had sun conjunct his ASC, and your 8th ruler is in aqua, his asc ruler is conjunct Uranus. Your sun is sextile his sun/asc/mercury, trine his mars. Really great 8th house match for you. You’ll want to bang him lol.

Other things I like, is his Venus in your 1st, your sun conjunct his IC, your IC ruler mars conjunct his ASC and DSC ruler mercury. Your NN is also conjunct his IC.
This is all pretty binding stuff. I like to see as much angle rulers to angles or the angle rulers themselves conjunctions or connecting somehow. If shows a powerful bond/connection when they all connect somehow. It’s rare but it’s always soulmate stuff.

But basically overall my take; he activates and/or matches all your attraction houses on every level. First being the 7th, then the 8th and then the 5th. For him, it’s mainly just his 5th and then the 7th, and last the 8th.
Not to mention your mars as well! Conjunct his sun and ASC.. . So we know you really like him.
And I think you’re more into him than vice versa, in a deeper, more complete and enduring/substance based way, but it’s not totally one-sided.
His Venus is in aqua; you have sun and mercury in aqua and moon conjunct Uranus. So really strong Aquarian energy!!! His Venus is aspected great too! You match his Venus the most out of anything else, and that’s awesome. So with his 5th and Venus in play, he’s definitely going to be attracted to you. I just worry about the seriousness or if he will want to commit etc. But maybe you don’t care about having a relationship and just want to have fun? Lol if so, this would make a super awesome fling 😁👍

posted November 26, 2018 05:52 PM            

One thing I see too is that his Mars opposing his Saturn can make him hesitant to act, and his Chiron squares his Mercury. I also think he is prone to saying outlandish things, as you mentioned bcs of this. So I think the fact that you have had a connection based solely on texting works well for him because he is "safe." You are ok with it as well with all that Aqua? And the third house action in his chart shows that too.

Have there ever been any actual dates or meetings? Does he suggest it? I love the mental connection, and I get the fun of flirting through texting. It's nice! But do you want more than that? I have to admit that texting for five months without physical contact was surprising to me. It might be a warning sign, but it also might just be the Aquarian sides of the two of you. Usually you need something more and concrete to sustain it. But maybe this works for you?

posted November 26, 2018 09:04 PM            

I am witholding a response because I'd like more to chime in. LunaIscariot thanks for your insights - very nice! I like what you say about symbolism and matching! It's one of the things beyond aspects that I find so fascinating! I will respond further in my next post. And thanks StoneMoon for following through after LunaIscariot. And yep, I have more to say on both of our Chirons soon.

5 months texting has actually been really convenient for me on a practical level because my life has been messy with a lot of traumas, moving house too - I've had a lot of emotional triggers. It was touch and go there really badly this year. I asked him to wait for me, and he has. And.. yes, anyhow my Uranus business is crazy for it and ok with just the texting and finding it all quite fascinating. AND my Saturn in the 5H is loving the slow burn. Just loving it. If nothing else, we'll just text forever. We're both watching it unfold I spose? And, with our Neptune/12H action.. maybe we just like the fantasy? We'll see.

He wanted to make sure that I am "normal" he said. I wonder about him equally though; I wonder if he has Aspergers actually. What's the impact of those squares to his Mercury from Pluto and Chiron? And the Neptune to his Moon can't be that "normal", nor the Uranus exactly conjunct Jupiter. He's said some bizarre things by text, even right at the start, that were obviously leftover residue from past relationships and had nothing to do with me. So, we've seen some strange triggers and outburst from both of us. Really weird.

I'm sure though, with his Venus he's had his fair share of psychos too, so maybe I've set some alarms off. So, I am ok and respect that he's going slow. Because, yes, I am not so "normal". But haven't mentioned that funnily enough. Have to keep some surprises right? I'm joking, just, I don't have a normal domestic life - which I have disclosed. And I do have a lot of traumas, which I have been explicit about too, mentioning some recent family dynamics (but not overly so!). I hope to find someone nice though, ultimately. I hope that his Neptune gives him niceness and that he is nice, and that he is not a taker. I've had enough **** - my last ex did such a number on me.. took the house totally eradicated my life and I lost everything. This one though, he has no water (like me), and too, there are some awful aspects to my Venus (which I'll go into more on next post), so I am keeping aware.

I hope that I've found someone who is still young at heart that I can trust, and we can go riding or camping, and we can have some tender moments together. Not a person that is too mean/nasty (as I say, I will write more on this again in a next post). StoneMoon, I'm not sure what I am looking for anymore. I'm a bit lost really, going through issues because I didn't have children, etc, and I am back at uni. So, I want someone I can run away with occasionally and escape reality with. But with someone deep enough to "get" the pain of existence. Not just an idiot.

We have spoken I think - twice or 3 times? He's completely different over the phone - he talks incessantly (as we can see on his Asc). I told him by text after that I'll have to sit on his face to stop him talking over me, LOL - never said such a thing before. He replied with something similar. Hope that's not too rude for LL?? He has been startlingly sexually direct via text. I've never seen anything like it. And yes, so, my Mars is really coming out (but I don't mean specifically in a sexual assertive manner, because I've played it very coy, actually). I find him liberating in many respects. Normally my Mars sits a lonely existence in my 12H.

I wonder too about his Saturn, and opposite Mars - he may be impotent? Maybe he has small dingaling? Why is texting so long convenient for him? What's he getting out of it? He may be just learning from it, or/and we're just having a little Uranian experiment. Note: his Venus is in mutual reception with Uranus, and the tightest aspect to his Venus too, which I hope will work in my favour.

posted November 26, 2018 11:49 PM            

Composite (note intriguing quintiles at each end of that Saturn/Jupiter opposition):

Composite Grid:

Davison:

Davison Grid:

posted November 27, 2018 09:19 AM            

But, to me, it sounds like you need healing. In the composite it is trine Lilith, so oh boy! and it is opposite Uranus, squaring the ascendant. So this could indicate why the relationship is doing well in such an unusual way. The actual formation of a relationship may challenge it. But right now, this is working for both of you... so, what's wrong with that?

posted November 27, 2018 03:46 PM            

It looks like us 3 are the only ones reading charts around here? And they are all so demanding! It would be nice if more people put in (just saying).

StoneMoon.. don't suppose you can elaborate? Overall and generally? I feel the Chiron/healing business (I think?). But, you know men, it';s not like they know that kind of stuff, and some will project their pains and healing issues out. I understand the 4th leg theory, but, honesty, it's not always easy to find someone to fit in ok. For example, a Cancer person is totally incompatible with my nature. As a Pisces would be for him. It would have to be a planet other than the Sun, for starters. On the composite, I'm not sure quite sure what you saying, would you care to elaborate?

Lunascariot - Composites are not my area. I still debate about their value compared with the Davison. But, I do get them in theory and this composite is pretty much why I have continued the situation - I'm totally curious about the synastry. I see you are ok with them anyhow, so.. I ask you this: his natal is not so connected to the composite as mine. Just, his Venus is conjunct the last end of that stellium. And otherwise, his natal squares everything really. Do you think this signifies that (in the future) I'll be more into him and the relationship than he will be?

I find it interesting that the little opposition there with Jupiter and Saturn is sextile his Moon and my Venus (kind of a kite then). I wonder if this will "pull" those planets out of the shadows of our natals, to steer this relationship, using this opposition as a bit of a rudder. It's how it feels to me.. but I am projecting into the future and imagining only.

Orange said in another post that where the NN is in the composite is where the two people will feel uncomfortable. Never heard that before and I wonder..

posted November 27, 2018 04:06 PM            

Now, there are MANY ways to feel compatibility in the chart, and pattern completion. This one in particular just caught my eye, which makes me think there is something to it. I think this is drawing you two together right now also, because you both can identify with each other over it.

I can elaborate on the healing needs in the relationship simply from what you are typing out, without looking at the synastry or composite. I feel like this is a relationship for you to ease in to, to help you heal old wounds. He is waiting for you, passing your test of his dedication and interest. And you are right to be cautious given your old pasts. That's all that meant.

posted November 27, 2018 04:13 PM            

Basically, the composite shows how easy or harmonious the relationship will be, how well you will get along. The relationship dynamics/themes. Doesn’t show feelings, or if there is attraction. That’s synastry, and that’s where lots of people mess up trying to interpret composites lol.
Synasty is most important cuz it shows how the two people feel about each other, if they’re each other’s type and if they’re attracted and partly shows how compatible they are but not in the long-term.
That’s usually composite that shows the true compatibly in my eyes. Because you can have great synasty, be madly attracted to each other but not get along well or have a relationship that is unstable (say hard Uranus aspects in the composite) etc.
A perfect composite without good synasty is meaningless if you’re not attracted to each other which you need the synastry to see. You’ll get along really well and be compatible and good friends but that’s it.
And good synasty without a good composite CAN still work, lots of people say in unhealthy or crappy relationships that have issues or difficult dynamics just because the feelings for each other are so strong (synastry). But it isn’t ideal, I’m sure everyone has been there where you love the person but you just can’t seem to make the relationship work (composite). Despite the feelings for each other, you just have issues or obstacles or can’t seem to get along. That’s why I always say composite shows the long term potential because after awhile, people usually will part ways despite the feelings because the relationship itself just isn’t healthy or working, we will try for awhile but eventually it’s too much.

posted November 27, 2018 05:12 PM            

For him, composite Saturn trines his moon and squares his Venus, so I feel like this can be good for him too. It's challenging him to connect and be more in tune, more open I feel.

posted November 27, 2018 05:17 PM            

remember I said you both needed that specific part to complete the grand trine? check the composite... they are both there.

posted November 28, 2018 05:05 PM            

"Basically, the composite shows how easy or harmonious the relationship will be, how well you will get along. The relationship dynamics/themes. Doesn’t show feelings, or if there is attraction. That’s synastry, and that’s where lots of people mess up trying to interpret composites lol.
Synasty is most important cuz it shows how the two people feel about each other, if they’re each other’s type and if they’re attracted and partly shows how compatible they are but not in the long-term."

I am aware of the theory, of course ^ ^. There is much debate about composites however, and whether they are a thing or not being only midpoints. Hypatia and I had some interesting threads and queries going a few months back that were continuing the debate on the significance between the Davison and the composite chart. I am still researching and debating this.

As far as whether he's committed or not, I see some balance: his Saturn and Mars are a lot more engaged in the synastry. However, I have his Sun on my Sun/Moon midpoint. BUT then, my Venus is on his Sun/Venus midpoint. Incidentally, it's uncanny how similar our Duads are, and our charts overall - both in structural hemispherical balance, and sign (both have weighted planets in upper signs too). And both are buckets with Saturn handle, and with t-squares... there's really so much. It's uncanny.

There may well be too much similarity. Over time, when this is the case, the two people tend to struggle to find a personal voice that runs apart from the other. They basically compete for space.

Worth noting is that out conjunction and aspects are not all that tight. Also, there could be more inner planet action really, to add greater closeness and certainty. But then, maybe all our Aquarian energy is ok with that space, and a "not too close" feeling. It may release some of the intensity that is inherent in all our Mars energy too.

The nodes are a big issue - we are both on eachother's SN, but widely. I dislike SN energy a lot. He has nothing on my NN, and I have Chiron on his at least [but it is Chiron, and I am finding THAT really interesting and I'm engaged in that thread on LL (to think, all his generation Chiron are on his NN - wow). So hopefully anyhow, this gives me some upper hand. I speculate that this, along with his Saturn and Mars aspects gives me more power, and points to him being more committed than me. IF it gets off the ground that is. Here's hoping anyhow.

However, like I say, it will be interesting to watch the composite play out because it is a particular area of interest for me right now. Also with the Chiron on NN.

posted November 28, 2018 05:28 PM            

Have you noticed this opposition in composite to be a recurring theme for you?

I started a new thread. Care to check your past composites and discuss this with me over here?:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008501.html

posted November 28, 2018 07:43 PM            

SASS ... > HYPO
Ascend: Cancer ... > Leo
Sun: Scorp ... > Cancer
Moon: Aqua ... > Libra
Merc: Taur ... > Leo
Venus: Aries ... > Aqua
Mars: Taur ... > Taur
Jup: Cap ... > Scorp
Saturn: Scorp ... > Scorp
Uran: Pisces ... > Scorp
Nept: Sag ... > Virgo
Plut: Leo ... > Gem
IC: Aries ... > Cap
2H: Tau ... > Tau
3H: Pisc ... > Pisc
5H: Gem ... > Aries
6H: Scorp ... > Virg

Damn hard to format all that! It's a lot tidier in the editing :/

Anyhow, kind of similar themes. Not too similar .. but complimentary

In regards to composites, here's a quote from Todd (from your thread StoneMoon):
"in my experience Saturn conjunct the moon will stabilize a relationship but Saturn trine moon though it gives an inherent compatibility is not as good at holding a relationship together. I have done some composites where the Saturn/moon trine though ,steady, became to predictable and one member would feel taken for granted and the relationship would suffer through hidden affairs.

posted November 28, 2018 10:26 PM            

Anyone into roids?

Yesss.... I know.. look at his bloody ascendant right?

Synastry with Roids - me: blue he: red (no minor aspects)

posted November 29, 2018 05:18 AM            

I use Sappho a lot and have interpreted it as a softer, more feminine Eros. But not for threesomes and bisexual tendencies. I suppose it could, but that's never how I have seen it. I like it conjunct asteroid Union. I feel like the coming together of the two of you will bring out this softer more passionate yet creative side of each of you.

posted November 29, 2018 03:12 PM            

I'm not so into asteroids. And it's obviously too early in this situation for them to be active. So, I cannot answer your question.

I understand some of them in theory, and I've noticed in the past the affect of some. But I'm the type of person that, I need to test myself before I'm totally on board with it.

I'm really doubting whether this guy's going to move or not and I'm moving forward. I have two dates in the next fortnight with others. One I will post our synastry and composite and you can see how awful it is: as red as the blood in my veins.

BUT, refer to our conversation over on your thread, having said all that, it will be interesting to view everything in the context of my age at this stage of my life. It had occurred to me greatly that this situation here is potentially too marsy/venusy (Venus in 1st house DW here!). This situation has reminded me deeply of younger carefree days, and passionate summer nights on the beach, etc etc, youth in general, and past loves in my younger years also.

Maybe that's a nice place to visit in my mind right now but, in reality I need something more grown up. So, yes, age and stage of life is a context that is so important in astrology!

posted November 29, 2018 04:05 PM            

Look at you go with two other dates! Kick some ass, sister! Yes do post their charts. We can get perspective. Do you do first meeting charts too? So, if you have these two other dates, does guy number one know? Have you let him know its time to meet up or have you not discussed it with him?

I don't know that this guy will make a move. With his squares I really feel like he can be indecisive and almost lack courage... though it certainly could manifest differently. But, a texting relationship could very well suit him if this is the case. That could be why he is waiting for you, in a sense. He's not really waiting, but enjoying the ease of a virtual relationship, a fantasy. But it is easy to develop rapport and connection when communicating through writing. So he could genuinely see something here.

posted November 30, 2018 08:29 AM            

I calculated and got slightly different answers but these are your duads. It tells you a deeper layer of yourself, of him, and how that subtlety resonates between the two of you. Or at least has the potential to.

You have some nice ones-

your dASC on his dSUn; your dSun trine his dASC- very nice to see.
I haven't decided how I feel bout all aspects, but you have dMoon trine dMoon
dMars's are conjunct
I would possibly consider each of your dPlutos to the other's dVenus's because it is a DW...
check out all his outer planet action on your dNN

posted November 30, 2018 04:49 PM            

thanks for that I appreciate. I know nothing about them so I can learn more.

The ones I posted I got from that duad chart that's floating around.

Yes, well, we'll see how things go to conclusion. I am ready to meet - I'm on holidays right now so I am ready to put this into my schedule. I am being extremely forward, even pushy. He is not coming to the party though. I have invited to meet me for a beach walk today as it's warm. He's responded that he is working and cannot. This is how he evades btw, it's not a genuine answer. I don't even know why he response tbo if he has no intentions.

It can easily be that he (and me) have somehow grown from this (Mercury square Chiron for him and all the texting). Or (both of us?) have just been attention ****** (I think they call them now?). Or any other miriade of reasons - who knows what you're dealing with out there these days.

I have a date with the other one next week. To answer you - yes, I have mentioned this. As all of us have connected via a dating site, it was relevant to mention in the context of: have you had an dates recently? I have two coming up this fortnight. Don't think he's bothered, so.. move on I likely will.

I cannot mention that he will be missing out on a love stellium. That would be just too much

Looks like I'll have to let go.