posted March 18, 2019 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I understand what you mean you prefer to be outgoing as a couple without the disruptions from people on the outside. Which planets in the composite chart are suppose to represent the man? I know for sure that the Moon is the woman and I think the Sun is the man so is Mars I guess.

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From cafeastrology:

"Keep in mind that a composite chart is a midpoint chart. It is where two people come together, and how they combine.

Even so, people can take on the roles of, or play out, certain planets or energies within the composite chart. We like to assume that both men and women “own” the Sun and Moon, which represent the yang and yin (masculine and feminine) energies respectively. However, it is also obvious in some situations that the man in a relationship may vibrate to the Sun energies more readily than he does the Moon energies in the composite chart, and he can often take on the role of the Sun in the composite chart as a result. Similarly, the woman in the relationship may be more attuned to the composite Moon. We cannot go so far as to say that the composite Sun represents the man in a relationship and the Moon represents the woman in a relationship, but if you study composite charts long enough, you will see this attunement happen often enough. So, in some situations, if for example there is a Sun conjunct Saturn in a composite chart, it may not only represent a relationship that has a distinct air of practicality, it can also suggest that expression is restrained or forced, especially on the part of the man. Another example (from my files) reveals a composite Sun that squares Mars, while the composite Moon forms a number of trines to Jupiter, Mercury, Uranus, and Pluto, as well as an opposition to Neptune. In this particular example, the woman enjoyed the relationship so much more than the man did."

However, you still have to ask the couple if this is true for them.

As for Mars/Venus, I've not seen the same articulation. I don't think Mars necessarily represents men based on my observations. Best e.g. my parents with Mars square Uranus... my mom is the free-spirited one always out and about. My dad is the constant one in the r/s with fixed schedule and habits. My mom has Uranus conjunct Mars in natal.

Again from cafeastrology:

posted March 18, 2019 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
But wouldn’t Mars opposite Saturn be really challenging in the area of individual self-expression and sexuality? Especially since Saturn is in 5th house..
So either you guys have children, or this relationship would be a friendship-type of union, and sexually not very satisfying. The Uranus opposition makes it also quite erratic. Different timing. One is hot while the other’s not and vice versa. But generally the composite speaks of two people with ‘compatible personalities’. You should get along really well, there’s an easy flow of energy (sun/moon, venus/mars). I don’t know if there’s enough attraction though. But it depends on what you’re looking for in a r/s. My guess.

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posted March 18, 2019 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Are you asking me or ChildofVenus? That chart above is hers.

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posted March 18, 2019 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
From cafeastrology:

"Keep in mind that a composite chart is a midpoint chart. It is where two people come together, and how they combine.

Even so, people can take on the roles of, or play out, certain planets or energies within the composite chart. We like to assume that both men and women “own” the Sun and Moon, which represent the yang and yin (masculine and feminine) energies respectively. However, it is also obvious in some situations that the man in a relationship may vibrate to the Sun energies more readily than he does the Moon energies in the composite chart, and he can often take on the role of the Sun in the composite chart as a result. Similarly, the woman in the relationship may be more attuned to the composite Moon. We cannot go so far as to say that the composite Sun represents the man in a relationship and the Moon represents the woman in a relationship, but if you study composite charts long enough, you will see this attunement happen often enough. So, in some situations, if for example there is a Sun conjunct Saturn in a composite chart, it may not only represent a relationship that has a distinct air of practicality, it can also suggest that expression is restrained or forced, especially on the part of the man. Another example (from my files) reveals a composite Sun that squares Mars, while the composite Moon forms a number of trines to Jupiter, Mercury, Uranus, and Pluto, as well as an opposition to Neptune. In this particular example, the woman enjoyed the relationship so much more than the man did."

However, you still have to ask the couple if this is true for them.

As for Mars/Venus, I've not seen the same articulation. I don't think Mars necessarily represents men based on my observations. Best e.g. my parents with Mars square Uranus... my mom is the free-spirited one always out and about. My dad is the constant one in the r/s with fixed schedule and habits. My mom has Uranus conjunct Mars in natal.

Again from cafeastrology:

"Usually, there is no “who”, but some individuals do “tune in” to certain vibrations in the composite chart. We can also note if any planets in the composite chart conjunct planets or points in the natal charts of the individuals involved. If, for example, a man’s Sun and Mercury are found within 1-2 degrees of the composite Venus, he may tune into the composite Venus vibration more naturally, and act out its aspects. Another example would be if a woman has Mars in Capricorn natally, and the composite chart includes a Mars conjunct Saturn, she may play out that composite aspect."

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posted March 19, 2019 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
She's talking about me but the composite chart is the actual relationship itself. It's the synastry that shows how people feel about each other.

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posted March 19, 2019 02:27 AM            

I’m going to try my best to explain this for you and anyone who reads this to hopefully help clear this confusion up once and for all. Took me a few years to fully understand the concept and nobody seems to explain it right or in a way you can truly grasp and understand and have that ah ha! moment lol. So I had to learn this myself through painstaking analysis and I’m also an INFJ (for those who know MBTI) so my Ni makes things annoying for me to explain so bare with me I hope this is comprehensible for most.

Like the example you used, moon square Saturn. This is showing that the people won’t feel it’s that easy or totally comfortable or natural to express their feelings towards each other openly and freely and be effusive. That’s all it means. It doesn’t mean that the feeling aren’t there at all, again we don’t know how these people feel about each other (we’d look at synastry to see that), all this means is the spontaneous emotional responses/reactions towards each other (moon) within the relationship (composite) aren’t going to be expressed as freely, but in a more practical, mature, more restrained and matter of fact sense like Saturn or a cap moon. It helps to think of the composite as a natal chart, how a person would behave.
Doesn’t mean inside the people don’t feel very passionate about each other! Just like a moon conjunct Pluto in the composite doesn’t mean the two people feel super passionate intense intimate feelings for each other because again, the composite isn’t generating any feelings on its own. This aspect would just mean that whatever feelings are ALREADY there, based on the synastry, are going to be felt strongly. Good or bad. And that the emotional reactions and expression WITHIN the context of the RELATIONSHIP (when the two people are together) is scorpio like in manner. Like two people who when they’re together who act very aloof and unemotional and reserved and you can’t read them emotionally, who as a unit act like a Scorpio moon when together. Depending on the natals to see if this is positive or enjoyable for either of them. We don’t know how they really feel about each other though. One person could feel happy, light, warm mushy, warm postive feelings (say this guy has the girls sun/jupiter conjunct his Venus and it’s on his IC) and the girl could feel stiff/tense or awkward (his Saturn and mars squares her natal moon). The moon conjunct Pluto in the composite shows two people who will tend to hide their feelings for each other, and will adopt this Scorpio moon poker face energy when together. All this other stuff I mentioned with his Venus and her moon is quietly going on inside, totally subjective experience (synastry). Composite is the energy they adopt when together. Remember composite are also only relevant when two people are together interacting.

So think of synasty as what’s happening internally, subjectively within each other, the feelings being generated. And the composite as the conduit or the ability to express it (moon square Saturn is showing a restraint/a blockage for both people being able to freely express within the relationship) and hows its being expressed etc. It’s what happening externally. That’s why it’s the dynamics; dynamic is showing action, yang, external energy. How this is all manfesting.

It’s the reason why you can love someone (feelings/synasty) even though you don’t have a good relationship, or have a good relationship/harmony/get along with someone and you aren’t attracted or have feelings for them. Composite is strictly the relationship itself, and the themes/dynamics when together. Now, if you’re someone who has an Aries DSC with the moon there, you probably won’t like a relationship with moon square Saturn, you want someone who is very effusive and emotionally expressive towards you, so if that person isn’t doing that, it could make you less happy with the person and not wanting to be in the relationship, but that’s a potential BYPRODUCT, and not a direct correlation or result of the composite affecting or showing feelings if that makes sense. Like the synasty came first. It always does and can trump a composite if it’s powerful enough. Because at the end of the day, we tend to be more heart over head and will stay in a crappy or even abusive relationship (composite) when our feelings are involved enough (synasty).

So that’s why it’s important to look at the natals as well when looking at a composite to see if it suits those peoples relationship needs.
But remember a composite is usually showing characteristics of both people anyways. So usually if you see a moon square Saturn, someone has moon-Saturn aspects natally or both. And if that person has a cap Venus or cap DSC, it’s actually preferable. Astrology is very complex, and when doing any analysis, you have to be able to take all of the different variables and factors into account at the same time and put it all together. This gets quicker and easiest with practice but you have to make sure you understand the basic concepts of each piece of the puzzle and which role it’s playing in the grand scheme of things. So it’s crucial to not blur lines and interpret a composite thinking it’s showing feelings itself because it’s not. Only ever interpret any feelings that may arise from a composite as a byproduct of the dynamics over time. And you should always refer back to the synastry to see if the composite has any repeating aspects to give you a good idea of how things will play out, either just amplifying positive or negative things you seen in the synasty or mitigating/contradicting/nullifying etc. Like if you see a DW sun conjunct Venus in the synastry and it’s also in the composite, you know that the internal energy/subjective experience of both people matches the outward ability of the relationship to express and integrate this energy when they’re together and its actually going to show up in the relationship and this sense of harmony and easy rapport will characterize the dynamic. And the composite is usually showing things you can see in the synasty if you know what to look for, the composite is just a quicker, easier way to see it all layed out.

posted March 19, 2019 02:52 AM            

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Like the example you used, moon square Saturn. This is showing that the people won’t feel it’s that easy or totally comfortable or natural to express their feelings towards each other openly and freely and be effusive. That’s all it means. It doesn’t mean that the feeling aren’t there at all, again we don’t know how these people feel about each other (we’d look at synastry to see that), all this means is the spontaneous emotional responses/reactions towards each other (moon) within the relationship (composite) aren’t going to be expressed as freely, but in a more practical, mature, more restrained and matter of fact sense like Saturn or a cap moon. It helps to think of the composite as a natal chart, how a person would behave.

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^I thought that's what I said? LOL. I didn't say feelings aren't there. In fact, I've been emphasising that it shows feelings just that we won't know who feels what unless we study their synastry and natal. I even quoted cafeastrology's explanation above and cited my parents' Mars square Uranus as an e.g where my mom plays out this aspect due to her Mars conj Uranus in natal.

posted March 19, 2019 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Hikaru; no no! don’t mix the two. Composite strictly shows the dynamic. Not feelings. This is an important concept to understand and where most people go wrong and why people get confused about composites.

I’m going to try my best to explain this for you and anyone who reads this to hopefully help clear this confusion up once and for all. Took me a few years to fully understand the concept and nobody seems to explain it right or in a way you can truly grasp and understand and have that ah ha! moment lol. So I had to learn this myself through painstaking analysis and I’m also an INFJ (for those who know MBTI) so my Ni makes things annoying for me to explain so bare with me I hope this is comprehensible for most.

Like the example you used, moon square Saturn. This is showing that the people won’t feel it’s that easy or totally comfortable or natural to express their feelings towards each other openly and freely and be effusive. That’s all it means. It doesn’t mean that the feeling aren’t there at all, again we don’t know how these people feel about each other (we’d look at synastry to see that), all this means is the spontaneous emotional responses/reactions towards each other (moon) within the relationship (composite) aren’t going to be expressed as freely, but in a more practical, mature, more restrained and matter of fact sense like Saturn or a cap moon. It helps to think of the composite as a natal chart, how a person would behave.
Doesn’t mean inside the people don’t feel very passionate about each other! Just like a moon conjunct Pluto in the composite doesn’t mean the two people feel super passionate intense intimate feelings for each other because again, the composite isn’t generating any feelings on its own. This aspect would just mean that whatever feelings are ALREADY there, based on the synastry, are going to be felt strongly. Good or bad. And that the emotional reactions and expression WITHIN the context of the RELATIONSHIP (when the two people are together) is scorpio like in manner. Like two people who when they’re together who act very aloof and unemotional and reserved and you can’t read them emotionally, who as a unit act like a Scorpio moon when together. Depending on the natals to see if this is positive or enjoyable for either of them. We don’t know how they really feel about each other though. One person could feel happy, light, warm mushy, warm postive feelings (say this guy has the girls sun/jupiter conjunct his Venus and it’s on his IC) and the girl could feel stiff/tense or awkward (his Saturn and mars squares her natal moon). The moon conjunct Pluto in the composite shows two people who will tend to hide their feelings for each other, and will adopt this Scorpio moon poker face energy when together. All this other stuff I mentioned with his Venus and her moon is quietly going on inside, totally subjective experience (synastry). Composite is the energy they adopt when together. Remember composite are also only relevant when two people are together interacting.

So think of synasty as what’s happening internally, subjectively within each other, the feelings being generated. And the composite as the conduit or the ability to express it (moon square Saturn is showing a restraint/a blockage for both people being able to freely express within the relationship) and hows its being expressed etc. It’s what happening externally. That’s why it’s the dynamics; dynamic is showing action, yang, external energy. How this is all manfesting.

It’s the reason why you can love someone (feelings/synasty) even though you don’t have a good relationship, or have a good relationship/harmony/get along with someone and you aren’t attracted or have feelings for them. Composite is strictly the relationship itself, and the themes/dynamics when together. Now, if you’re someone who has an Aries DSC with the moon there, you probably won’t like a relationship with moon square Saturn, you want someone who is very effusive and emotionally expressive towards you, so if that person isn’t doing that, it could make you less happy with the person and not wanting to be in the relationship, but that’s a potential BYPRODUCT, and not a direct correlation or result of the composite affecting or showing feelings if that makes sense. Like the synasty came first. It always does and can trump a composite if it’s powerful enough. Because at the end of the day, we tend to be more heart over head and will stay in a crappy or even abusive relationship (composite) when our feelings are involved enough (synasty).

So that’s why it’s important to look at the natals as well when looking at a composite to see if it suits those peoples relationship needs.
But remember a composite is usually showing characteristics of both people anyways. So usually if you see a moon square Saturn, someone has moon-Saturn aspects natally or both. And if that person has a cap Venus or cap DSC, it’s actually preferable. Astrology is very complex, and when doing any analysis, you have to be able to take all of the different variables and factors into account at the same time and put it all together. This gets quicker and easiest with practice but you have to make sure you understand the basic concepts of each piece of the puzzle and which role it’s playing in the grand scheme of things. So it’s crucial to not blur lines and interpret a composite thinking it’s showing feelings itself because it’s not. Only ever interpret any feelings that may arise from a composite as a byproduct of the dynamics over time. And you should always refer back to the synastry to see if the composite has any repeating aspects to give you a good idea of how things will play out, either just amplifying positive or negative things you seen in the synasty or mitigating/contradicting/nullifying etc. Like if you see a DW sun conjunct Venus in the synastry and it’s also in the composite, you know that the internal energy/subjective experience of both people matches the outward ability of the relationship to express and integrate this energy when they’re together and its actually going to show up in the relationship and this sense of harmony and easy rapport will characterize the dynamic. And the composite is usually showing things you can see in the synasty if you know what to look for, the composite is just a quicker, easier way to see it all layed out.

I really hope this helps someone! Let me know if it did or you want me to explain or go more in depth with any concepts

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Thanks for clearing that up for me, Luna. To be honest, I get a bit confused sometimes as well. But now I'm curious what's the difference between the midpoint and davison composites? Have you known the davison to be more accurate than the midpoint?

posted March 19, 2019 01:12 PM            

It’s also why I like to try help and explain things to you since I have faith you’ll understand

posted March 19, 2019 02:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Thanks for clearing that up for me, Luna. To be honest, I get a bit confused sometimes as well. But now I'm curious what's the difference between the midpoint and davison composites? Have you known the davison to be more accurate than the midpoint?

Can you do me a favor and check out my new threads?
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008895.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008896.html

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You’re very welcome! I’m more than happy to try clear things up and make a very complex idea more easy to digest and wrap your head around lol. It took me a long time too, so I understand and wish I had me now explaining this to me 5 years ago haha. I’m on my 10th year studying astrology now, and I’m still learning more all the time! It can be a lot.

Good question about Davison’s. I like to look at both. I actually recently started studying Davison’s more and have my own way of interpreting them in a way I noticed is most accurate (I’ll share later but need to develop my theory and methods more it’s still a work in progress and needs more testing to be sure) but composite and Davison always shows similar themes and the same story just different versions. So I’d say try both, and work with whatever one is easiest for you to grasp. Like they’re both accurate as long as you know how to interpret them properly and know what to look for. For a long time I thought Davison’s weren’t accurate but only because I didn’t know how to interrupt them properly or in a way that made sense to me. Now that I’m starting to I can definitely say they’re very accurate! Composite vs Davison, there isn’t one thats more accurate. Like I said they show the same thing, you just interpret in different ways and have to look at different things for your answers. They’re interpreted different that’s forsure.

posted March 21, 2019 08:19 AM            

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Composites only show HOW, what way and to what extent the feelings are going to be expressed eg; moon square saturn, or moon conjunct pluto; feelings are going to be more restrained/hidden and the relationship will have a more serious/somber feeling but doesn’t mean that’s how the two people actually feel towards each other, that’s just how the feelings are being filtered out externally between the two.

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posted March 21, 2019 08:33 AM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
I actually recently started studying Davison’s more and have my own way of interpreting them in a way I noticed is most accurate (I’ll share later but need to develop my theory and methods more it’s still a work in progress and needs more testing to be sure) but composite and Davison always shows similar themes and the same story just different versions. So I’d say try both, and work with whatever one is easiest for you to grasp.

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Pls share your theory when it's ready. LOL

posted March 21, 2019 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I read parallels only count if the orbs are close.

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posted March 21, 2019 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Pls share your theory when it's ready. LOL

Jewel says both tell the same story but I still can't wrap my head around it. In Composite we have Uranus opposite Mars and Saturn square Mars, but in Davison Uranus sextile Mars and Saturn/Mars don't aspect each other. Also in Composite we have the love stellium. In Davison Sun conjunct Venus but Mercury is a little out of orb. However, Sun/Mercury/Venus/Asc are parallel if you consider declinations in Composite. Still the same story?

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posted March 21, 2019 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Honestly I’m way more visual lol and have to see everything, so you’d have to post the charts lol

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Actually I posted the charts in another thread but removed them because I didn't see your reply (haha)... ok here goes. I'll probably remove them soon.

Pls note that his ToB is only close accurate as I only know he was born in the early morning. When I adjust his ToB, the planets move to the left and Asc becomes Cancer, but aspects remain the same.

posted March 21, 2019 05:37 PM            

The love stellium as you know is wonderful, nothing bad to say about it, and in the first house it’s especially strong, no drawbacks in the 1st, it’s one of the best places to have it. Really awesome!
Sextile mars and trine the moon, this is showing a lot of harmony (moon trines) and energy/passion (mars), but when we add the Pluto squares this is when things get sticky though. It’s adding a ton of passion but also obsession with the squares. The energy becomes rather intense, uncomfortably so. And of course manipulation, power struggles, control, jealousy, all that stuff. Chaotic energy that can easily become toxic. If any planet should be described as toxic, it’s Pluto (but only when making hard aspects this bring out the lower qualities and energies of Pluto, but trines and sextiles actually bring healing, intimacy and healthy bonding/attachment).

Moon in the 5th, nice placement for relationships and romance. But being in scorpio isn’t helping the already strong Pluto situation especially with the aspects it’s making. I say this because moon in the 5th (Leo house; dramatic) and mars opposition is making the moon more impulsive and reactive (mars), and Jupiter is blowing it up, making it bigger/more extreme or exaggerating these influences. So I feel like emotionally in this relationship, you could tend to be very reactive to each other (like playing off each other, one person does or says this and the other retaliates etc.) and maybe have a hard time controlling your responses or emotions, like feeling out of control in this relationship, or emotional outbursts etc.

From the yods, I’m mainly getting it’s like one person is submitting or serving the other. Not an equal give and take. An imbalance here, or martyr role. Also getting a co-dependency vibe, especially with all the water energy and cancer stellium.

But mainly from these charts, this tells me the guy is the one who’s causing the problems in your relationship if there are any. For one, he’s very hot and cold, erratic, you never really know what to expect from him and this probably causes insecurity in you. He also more than likely has baggage from a past relationship, or just some external factors/obstacles he brought to the relationship, whether it’s he’s not over an ex, or has money problems, or there is some barriers on his side like he doesn’t have enough time for you, or you live far away from each other etc. He can also be critical of you, or just distant/holds back/seems reserved. He’s not expressive in this relationship, and probably doesn’t like to tell you how he feels or reassure you. Also tells me he is controlling, manipulative and deceptive. And his main interest is pleasure and sex, and he ideally just wants a friends with benefits and isn’t interested in commitment. He’s not serious basically. Lots of red flags here.

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[B]So in composite, right off the bat you have two yods. That’s powerful and intense energy, gives a really interesting type of chemistry that’s very compulsive and magnetic and usually shows a fated type connection. You were definitely supposed to meet this person.

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I didn't know that YoD shows a fated meeting but yes, it felt fated and someone actually predicted this meeting. I know that YoDs also represent a tense connection. Do you know how to interpret mine?

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The love stellium as you know is wonderful, nothing bad to say about it, and in the first house it’s especially strong, no drawbacks in the 1st, it’s one of the best places to have it. Really awesome!
Sextile mars and trine the moon, this is showing a lot of harmony (moon trines) and energy/passion (mars), but when we add the Pluto squares this is when things get sticky though. It’s adding a ton of passion but also obsession with the squares. The energy becomes rather intense, uncomfortably so. And of course manipulation, power struggles, control, jealousy, all that stuff. Chaotic energy that can easily become toxic. If any planet should be described as toxic, it’s Pluto (but only when making hard aspects this bring out the lower qualities and energies of Pluto, but trines and sextiles actually bring healing, intimacy and healthy bonding/attachment).

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In your opinion/experience, what does the love stellium signify?

I remember asking you about Pluto squares before, whether a reasonably healthy relationship could possibly develop if both people are aware and mature. The intense energies, jealousy, power struggles are obvious and with the love stellium, I find us often swinging between extremely loving & caring to selfish power games (like we'll try to one up the other). I personally hate this and try to avoid it as much as possible.

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Moon in the 5th, nice placement for relationships and romance. But being in scorpio isn’t helping the already strong Pluto situation especially with the aspects it’s making. I say this because moon in the 5th (Leo house; dramatic) and mars opposition is making the moon more impulsive and reactive (mars), and Jupiter is blowing it up, making it bigger/more extreme or exaggerating these influences. So I feel like emotionally in this relationship, you could tend to be very reactive to each other (like playing off each other, one person does or says this and the other retaliates etc.) and maybe have a hard time controlling your responses or emotions, like feeling out of control in this relationship, or emotional outbursts etc.

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This is spot-on although Moon could also be in 4th if his ToB changes (but for now 5th seems like the most possible placement).

The part where you say we're reactive to each other is true and it doesn't help that we both have Moon square Mars in natal (haha). It can be bad if we use it negatively but it isn't all bad as we're also very responsive to each other's encouragement for affection no matter how angry we were moments ago. When I want affection/intimacy, he never rejects me. I realised that the maturity of the individuals involved are very important. If we had met 10yrs ago we would probably be slitting each others' throats (lol).

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But mainly from these charts, this tells me the guy is the one who’s causing the problems in your relationship if there are any. For one, he’s very hot and cold, erratic, you never really know what to expect from him and this probably causes insecurity in you. He also more than likely has baggage from a past relationship, or just some external factors/obstacles he brought to the relationship, whether it’s he’s not over an ex, or has money problems, or there is some barriers on his side like he doesn’t have enough time for you, or you live far away from each other etc. He can also be critical of you, or just distant/holds back/seems reserved. He’s not expressive in this relationship, and probably doesn’t like to tell you how he feels or reassure you. Also tells me he is controlling, manipulative and deceptive. And his main interest is pleasure and sex, and he ideally just wants a friends with benefits and isn’t interested in commitment. He’s not serious basically. Lots of red flags here.

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Thanks for highlighting the red flags but curious which aspects show these? I'm learning here... Yes, I feel that he holds back his feelings like he won't tell me he misses me although his behaviour says otherwise. The only time he admitted he missed me was when I iced him for a month. It's not true that he isn't expressive. He actually talks about his feelings A LOT (much more than I do, lol) just that sometimes he beats around the bush and I've to put them together like a jigsaw puzzle (he has Mercury square Neptune *sigh*).

He also has Pluto-Moon-NN in natal + he's heavy Cancer. I feel a lot of emotions in him but he either blocks them out or unleash them in a confusing manner. I feel push/pull energy from him but not necessarily hot/cold as he has consistently been nice & caring, and he has told me more than once that he really cares about me... that I'm someone special to him and he feels attached to me. I think the one blowing hot/cold is me (lol). I would "ice" him when I'm annoyed... some time later I'd miss him and be warm again. Come to think of it, I'm also guilty of doing the push/pull thing.

Baggage, yes, even emotional wounds from as far back as 10yrs ago. He seems someone who doesn't forget his pain. He also doesn't really have time for me and he feels guilty so he has asked me to move on and find someone better. Yet when he sees me with other guys he gets jealous. He asked about my ex and I lied that I still like my ex and may patch back with him, and he looked upset with what I said. He does this push/pull with me.

Interesting you mentioned that he only wants to be FwB because I've wondered about this too because he asked me to move on so I take it to mean he doesn't love me. And if that's what he wants it means we're free to pursue other relationships, right? But no, he gets jealous about the guys around me like I said above, and always asks about them. Once he told me if I get involved with someone else he'll walk. Another time my friend told him he used to like me and he started asking if I'd slept with my friend before.

He's jealous & possessive but not controlling. I also don't feel him as critical of me. I'm more suspicious and critical of him in fact, and I've said many things to which he said I got all the wrong ideas of him... that I don't trust him. Anyway, we have an unspoken rule that we'll be loyal to each other because we both know that this will be the ONE thing that will drive us apart.

Also a genuine qn... our charts show several loving aspects as well and we have the awesome love stellium like you said, but you said he only wants sex so how do you reconcile the two? If one or both parties only want sex, then there cannot be love. If love is involved, then it isn't just sex. Or is this saying the loving aspects are all negated or only played out by me?

I also noticed that negative aspects always seem to negate the positive ones, why?

Anyway, thanks for your reading which gives me the opportunity to review this relationship from all angles and pen it down. Lately I've just been feeling negative (and my friends got so sick of it, LOL) so this actually helps me to see that there're positives as well, so thank you. at least I wanna know that this has been worth it even if it doesn't last.