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Hikaru29
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posted June 02, 2019 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read about the myth... so I wanna know if this is considered an intensely passionate but love/hate contact? And how strong is this contact compared to others like Eros-Psyche, Osiris-Isis etc? And what about in comparison to Pluto-Venus?

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posted June 02, 2019 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll add some helpful links. I wish IQ posted more, but he must be a busy guy.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000871.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000225.html
http://www.tamsoft.co.in/soulmates.html

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posted June 02, 2019 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
I'll add some helpful links. I wish IQ posted more, but he must be a busy guy.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000871.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000225.html
http://www.tamsoft.co.in/soulmates.html

Thanks, Bismarck2. I've gone through these threads and the calculator iQ put up is really interesting. I didn't know Sun conjunct Aphrodite gets 5pts! I always thought it's just surface attraction like a first impression kind and doesn't last because not much emphasis has been put on it.

The thing is I can't find any in-depth explanation into the differences between the various types of attraction.

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posted June 02, 2019 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Thanks, Bismarck2. I've gone through these threads and the calculator iQ put up is really interesting. I didn't know Sun conjunct Aphrodite gets 5pts! I always thought it's just surface attraction like a first impression kind and doesn't last because not much emphasis has been put on it.

The thing is I can't find any in-depth explanation into the differences between the various types of attraction.


Some more I've found:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000840.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000544.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003563.html

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Hikaru29
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posted June 03, 2019 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In synastry, his Pluto trine my Proserpina 3° and my Pluto sextile his Proserpina 2°.

I'm glad to know that Proserpina is Persephone transformed, queen of the underworld with equal power to Pluto.

I'm intrigued by this myth because I felt like Persephone at the beginning of our relationship. He (Pluto) wilfully dragged me into the underworld and I was powerless in resisting him. Then I gradually started to become Proserpina.

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posted June 03, 2019 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for abrightfutureahead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello to you both 🙂 can someone please remind me how to get the aspects to asteroids to show on the grid on Astro.com,
Forgot how to do it and wondering why I can see some Conjunct on the chart wheel, then feeling disappointed there isn’t any making aspect on the grid lol 😆

Thank you.! Hope I find some soulmate pairs going on 🤞🏻

I’m feeling a deep bond going on and a past life connection. He feels it too and he isn’t spiritual or knowledgeable about astrology, he mentioned it first.
Keeps saying I’m sure I remembered something I forgot about you but I can’t put my finger on it, and he thinks he has amnesia and forgot we were lovers before.

I’m interested about this myth also, let me know what you dig up 🙂

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posted June 03, 2019 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by abrightfutureahead:
Hello to you both 🙂 can someone please remind me how to get the aspects to asteroids to show on the grid on Astro.com,
Forgot how to do it and wondering why I can see some Conjunct on the chart wheel, then feeling disappointed there isn’t any making aspect on the grid lol 😆

Thank you.! Hope I find some soulmate pairs going on 🤞🏻

I’m feeling a deep bond going on and a past life connection. He feels it too and he isn’t spiritual or knowledgeable about astrology, he mentioned it first.
Keeps saying I’m sure I remembered something I forgot about you but I can’t put my finger on it, and he thinks he has amnesia and forgot we were lovers before.

I’m interested about this myth also, let me know what you dig up 🙂


post the results in one of the past threads of yours. i'm curious.

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posted June 04, 2019 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nezumi-chan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well let's keep in mind that Pluto kidnapped Persephone so... idk how good would this aspect be.

I would like to know too because I have Pluto conjunct Proserpina EXACT and Pluto trine Persephone EXACT in composite with someone.

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posted June 04, 2019 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by abrightfutureahead:
Hello to you both 🙂 can someone please remind me how to get the aspects to asteroids to show on the grid on Astro.com,
Forgot how to do it and wondering why I can see some Conjunct on the chart wheel, then feeling disappointed there isn’t any making aspect on the grid lol 😆

Under Aspects, click "to all objects".

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posted June 04, 2019 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nezumi-chan:
Well let's keep in mind that Pluto kidnapped Persephone so... idk how good would this aspect be.

Indeed, but Pluto then made Persephone his queen (Proserpina) which shows he was serious about her, and she apparently also came to love Pluto. Also, according to darkdreamer, they seemed to be the only pair other than Eros & Psyche that were loyal & faithful to each other. I've yet to verify this, of course but the interpretation doesn't seem bad other than the initial abduction.

Extract from Darkdreamer's post ( http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000544.html :

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"Pluto was once absolutely uninterested and unwilling to fall in love and allow feelings distract him from his job. That was just not his "cup of tea". He was doing his job and that was it.
Now, Aphrodite and Eros didn`t approve of that detached attitude, and Aphrodite convinced her son to shoot one of his arrows on Pluto.

Now, when Pluto came up from the underworld Eros shot him, and Pluto fell desperately in love with the young maiden he saw plucking flowers (in other versions, he just fell in love with her without the influence of Eros).

That young virginal maiden was Proserpine / Persephone, the daughter of the goddess Demeter / Ceres, a goddess of spring herself (Proserpine the spring goddess).

However, Pluto was obsessed with Proserpine, and made a blood red narcissus grow on the field. Proserpine was fascinated, intrigued by the flower, but didn`t dare plucking it.
But the image of that flower haunted her even in her sleep, so she got up at night, returned to the field and plucked that flower.

The same moment the ground opened and Pluto rose up, grabbing the girl and abducting her into his underworld. He was completely in love with her, but in the obsessive, posessive way, so he didn`t ask for long.

Now some versions of the myth say he raped her, others say he seduced her and she finally gave in to him.

However, Pluto really loved her and so he made her queen of the underworld, his equal partner!

Proserpine also couldn`t leave the underworld, cause she had eaten 6 (or 4) semen of the pomenagrate, and if you ate something in the underworld, you had to stay.
So she stayed with Pluto (well, at least for half the year; the other half she spent with her mother, who missed her so much).

And the interesting thing is, that this couple seems to be the only one in Roman mythology (except for Eros and Psyche), who were loyal and faithful to each other. Or at least both took care that the other didn`t pursue his or her romantic interestes too fervently, as both, Pluto as well as Proserpine, were pretty jealous and passionately in love with each other, after the very tumultous beginning.

One interpretation of the myth sais that Proserpine NEEDED to be abducted and needed to lose her innocence (virginity) to become a full woman.

The bond to her mother, which had just been too tight (Ceres and Proserpine had been inseparable), had to be broken, so Proserpine could become a woman of her own.

It`s actually a story about the growing up, and transformation from a young girl into a woman with sexual and emotional needs."


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posted January 09, 2023 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for problematique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have my pluto conjunct someone’s persephone and yes, the obsession is there. still, i’m plutonic by nature so if i like someone - be sure i’m gonna be obsessed anyway.
the aspect is 1° conjunction.

also, his proserpina conjunct my IC at 0°

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girlwiththerainysoul
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posted January 09, 2023 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this guy's Persephone conjunct my AC exact, and my Persephone is square his Pluto. I wonder what all of this means.

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