posted February 01, 2021 06:31 PM            

I would like to see if people in this forum have or had Plutonian relationships. I mean like Pluto making conjunctions, squares, oppositions to personal planets or angles in the sinastry and composite. Would be lovely to see a long term relationship being Plutonian. I don’t know, maybe. You can post it if you want, I would love to see all that information haha. How long have you been together, the interaction, etc.

Thank you so much. 😍

posted February 01, 2021 07:11 PM              

We humans often want to know why there are so many breakups, so much heart ache relationship wise, etc, etc, and it all boils down to fear, selfishness, and lack of real love, and either one or both of the partners being overly attuned to that. That is what kills more relationships more than anything else.

Humanity, if it ever becomes more truly and fully loving, well it will start to change on various levels, including in romantic relationships.

Pluto does potentially have a "higher" and trasnformative side, but relatively few people rise above the lower nature/side of Pluto and reach to that faster vibratory, more purely and powerfully positive level.

posted February 01, 2021 07:39 PM            

I learned a lot about myself from this relationship: My biggest fear of abandonment, my anxious attachment style got worse - he was the avoidant so it was set to break us apart. I address our argument patterns but he didn't want to see this side of our relationship. I think he was afraid. Also I learned I need to face my childhood trauma. There are some stuff I don't want to get into details. It's something I am not comfortable sharing.

I wanted to put into real life details so that it's easy to understand. When I start out with astrology, I had a vague idea. You see keywords: power struggles, manipulations, mind games, etc. It sound immature I didn't believe it would happen in your 30s. But it does happen. It's an unconscious thing. Even if we are aware of the pain, it felt like we were both trying to constantly survive and we did not have a break to examine what was going on.

When he broke it off, it was very very very VERYYYYY painful. I felt like I was dying... Slowly things became clear. I felt I escape somewhere dark and finally I found the light at end of the dark tunnel. After some times, I feel peaceful, something I haven't felt in a while. Almost like you were tortured and finally escape. Like those movies you see except it plays our minds and emotions. It's heavy stuff especially if some inner traumas were not dealt with. I didn't even knew I had it until then.

posted February 02, 2021 02:28 AM            

My guy was playing a lot of games in the beginning. I called out his BS many times but he kept denying so I got frustrated and started going for other flings (which were not fulfilling anyway). Bear in mind we were not exclusive then although it was assumed as we were extremely possessive of each other, but as we weren’t exclusive I felt insecure/unstable and thought he was playing with my feelings. Anyway after that we fell out over something stupid (I think all the tension exploded) and I cut him off. One month later we reconnected and were no longer angry with each other. In fact he said he felt bad for saying the things he did. I forgave him but didn’t want to rekindle our relationship as I didn’t want us to hurt each other anymore. I also came clean about my flings to push him away. His reaction was most unexpected. I thought he would be cool about letting me go as he had been playing that card all along but instead he looked extremely hurt and confused. He went silent for a week then met me one night to pour out all his feelings, said he felt angry and sad yet blamed himself for doing/saying things he didn’t mean. Seeing him that way I also felt sorry for hurting him (my Neptune in 7th). I think that was the moment of enlightenment for both of us.

After that we became exclusive, and he proved his commitment by fading off unnecessary people in his life, being more present, integrating our lives etc. It’s been almost 3yrs now. We’re able to talk more openly and thus less mind games. It took us awhile to get here. I won’t deny though... the possessiveness, jealousy and suspicions are still there but now we can talk about it rather than guess and play passive-aggressive games.

posted February 02, 2021 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I really don't understand why so many people seem to put Pluto on such a pedestal, when so often Pluto relates to deep, unconscious to barely conscious fear, control and power issues, obsession, over attachment, and other things that are about as far away from real love as one can get.

We humans often want to know why there are so many breakups, so much heart ache relationship wise, etc, etc, and it all boils down to fear, selfishness, and lack of real love, and either one or both of the partners being overly attuned to that. That is what kills more relationships more than anything else.

Humanity, if it ever becomes more truly and fully loving, well it will start to change on various levels, including in romantic relationships.

Pluto does potentially have a "higher" and trasnformative side, but relatively few people rise above the lower nature/side of Pluto and reach to that faster vibratory, more purely and powerfully positive level.

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posted February 02, 2021 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Honestly, I believe it depends on your own natal charts. Someone with Pluto aspects or Scorpio will want the intensity in synastry. All of my synastries have Pluto aspects or either 8th house overlay and it's because of my natal chart. I have a heavy 8th house with Sun/Pluto and Moon/Pluto and Scorpio IC so it's to be expected. Not everyone will like Pluto relationships it just depends on your own makeup.

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posted February 02, 2021 03:45 PM              

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:

But some people are Plutonian themselves I am. And if my synastry lacks Pluto aspects I don't feel the intensity that I desire. So I think it depends on the natal charts.

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I remember seeing your chart, you're not that Plutonian from what I remember, but far more attuned to Uranus and then Saturn.

Kind of proving my point; so many people wanting to be Plutonian because they think Pluto is so sexy or what not. Pluto is the astrological equivalent to the "bad boy" for women.

A mature, self aware, balanced/integrated woman knows that there is nothing actually "sexy" or attractive about a true bad boy. It's the women that have self love and self esteem issues that are drawn to those types. Because deep down, they don't think they deserve better.

Richard Ramirez, the "night stalker" who did unspeakable things to many little girls and boys, along with serial killing mostly women and some men, while also raping many women, received thousands of fan and love letters from mostly women while he was in prison. As if he could ever "love" any of them, or if any of them could ever "save" him. As if he would ever feel anything but contempt for any of them.

A very extreme example yes, but a good one to show the sickness and irrationality of that type of mindset of putting darkness/lack of Light on a pedestal and finding it sexy. I've seen the darkness of Pluto within self, within others, and within society. There is nothing sexy, cool, or what not about it.

The positive side of Pluto comes in becoming conscious to all that, and being an active force of transformation of such patterns. The "whistleblower", or ex cult member, for example, is the positive expression of Pluto vs the corrupt, secretive government or cult (negative Pluto) that the whistle blower or ex cult member is exposing to the light of day, often at risk and potential cost to self.

posted February 04, 2021 04:05 PM              

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I don't understand why so many people seem to make Pluto relationship that special if it’s the slowest moving generation planet. For the half signs, it would be harder to find somebody who doesn’t touch your personal planet with Pluto. It should be something else, not just one Pluto aspect. I cannot go Gaga over all Pluto in Libra generation.

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+1

posted February 04, 2021 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I remember seeing your chart, you're not that Plutonian from what I remember, but far more attuned to Uranus and then Saturn.

Kind of proving my point; so many people wanting to be Plutonian because they think Pluto is so sexy or what not. Pluto is the astrological equivalent to the "bad boy" for women.

A mature, self aware, balanced/integrated woman knows that there is nothing actually "sexy" or attractive about a true bad boy. It's the women that have self love and self esteem issues that are drawn to those types. Because deep down, they don't think they deserve better.

Richard Ramirez, the "night stalker" who did unspeakable things to many little girls and boys, along with serial killing mostly women and some men, while also raping many women, [b]received thousands of fan and love letters from mostly women while he was in prison. As if he could ever "love" any of them, or if any of them could ever "save" him. As if he would ever feel anything but contempt for any of them.

A very extreme example yes, but a good one to show the sickness and irrationality of that type of mindset of putting darkness/lack of Light on a pedestal and finding it sexy. I've seen the darkness of Pluto within self, within others, and within society. There is nothing sexy, cool, or what not about it.

The positive side of Pluto comes in becoming conscious to all that, and being an active force of transformation of such patterns. The "whistleblower", or ex cult member, for example, is the positive expression of Pluto vs the corrupt, secretive government or cult (negative Pluto) that the whistle blower or ex cult member is exposing to the light of day, often at risk and potential cost to self.

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posted February 05, 2021 01:50 AM              

Also, 8th House is not literally "Plutonian". 8th House is 8th House, only very loosely connected to Pluto (also loosely connected to Mars). I mean more so highlighted Pluto when I say "Plutonian".

I don't consider myself especially Plutonian though my ASC/"chart ruler", the SUN is fairly closely square Pluto, the ruler of my Moon and MC, Venus is very closely trine Pluto, I have Scorpio IC, and the faster moving ruler of my 8th is retrograding back into my 1st while being the closest Planet to the ASC. I would say that I'm "moderately" attuned to Pluto.

Why, because Pluto is firmly within my 3rd House, a Cadent House.

I'm not saying you don't have "any" attunement to Pluto, but I remember that Uranus and Saturn by far were your strongest Planets. And it's not all about amount of aspects. Amount of aspects is just one factor.

Anyone who has observed you here at the forum for any length of time, if they know astrology well and have known very Plutonian people (whether more positive or negative), would likely agree that you don't have a strongly Plutonian vibe. People that constantly ask about this or that guy, romance, etc in general are not going to be very Pluto attuned. They tend to keep their own counsel, don't like to be open or expressive, and rarely ask others for their opinions or thoughts on things. Often times, they say very little in general, and especially so on a public forum. They tend a bit to the paranoid about how much people do or don't know about them.

And they certainly wouldn't call themselves "Child of Venus".

posted February 05, 2021 02:16 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I really don't understand why so many people seem to put Pluto on such a pedestal, when so often Pluto relates to deep, unconscious to barely conscious fear, control and power issues, obsession, over attachment, and other things that are about as far away from real love as one can get.

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posted February 05, 2021 06:47 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Don't you have strong Taurus? That's probably why more than anything. Opposite Signs have a very strong pull on each other. I don't have a lick of Cancer in my chart, but I have people with strong Cancer in my life--two reasons, Capricorn is my strongest Sign energy, and the faster moving ruler of my DESC and Venus, is conjunct the Moon.

Also, 8th House is not literally "Plutonian". 8th House is 8th House, only very loosely connected to Pluto (also loosely connected to Mars). I mean more so highlighted Pluto when I say "Plutonian".

I don't consider myself especially Plutonian though my ASC/"chart ruler", the SUN is fairly closely square Pluto, the ruler of my Moon and MC, Venus is very closely trine Pluto, I have Scorpio IC, and the faster moving ruler of my 8th is retrograding back into my 1st while being the closest Planet to the ASC. I would say that I'm "moderately" attuned to Pluto.

Why, because Pluto is firmly within my 3rd House, a Cadent House.

I'm not saying you don't have "any" attunement to Pluto, but I remember that Uranus and Saturn by far were your strongest Planets. And it's not all about amount of aspects. Amount of aspects is just one factor.

Anyone who has observed you here at the forum for any length of time, if they know astrology well and have known very Plutonian people (whether more positive or negative), would likely agree that you don't have a strongly Plutonian vibe. People that constantly ask about this or that guy, romance, etc in general are not going to be very Pluto attuned. They tend to keep their own counsel, don't like to be open or expressive, and rarely ask others for their opinions or thoughts on things. Often times, they say very little in general, and especially so on a public forum. They tend a bit to the paranoid about how much people do or don't know about them.

And they certainly wouldn't call themselves "Child of Venus".

Again, not saying you don't have "some" attunement to Pluto, but predominantly or even strongly Plutonian--not so much.

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posted February 05, 2021 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
My guy and I have Pluto squares in our Composite. I agree it can be exhausting especially if one or both parties are not able to detach themselves from the situation and see what they’re doing, and talk about it honestly.

My guy was playing a lot of games in the beginning. I called out his BS many times but he kept denying so I got frustrated and started going for other flings (which were not fulfilling anyway). Bear in mind we were not exclusive then although it was assumed as we were extremely possessive of each other, but as we weren’t exclusive I felt insecure/unstable and thought he was playing with my feelings. Anyway after that we fell out over something stupid (I think all the tension exploded) and I cut him off. One month later we reconnected and were no longer angry with each other. In fact he said he felt bad for saying the things he did. I forgave him but didn’t want to rekindle our relationship as I didn’t want us to hurt each other anymore. I also came clean about my flings to push him away. His reaction was most unexpected. I thought he would be cool about letting me go as he had been playing that card all along but instead he looked extremely hurt and confused. He went silent for a week then met me one night to pour out all his feelings, said he felt angry and sad yet blamed himself for doing/saying things he didn’t mean. Seeing him that way I also felt sorry for hurting him (my Neptune in 7th). I think that was the moment of enlightenment for both of us.

After that we became exclusive, and he proved his commitment by fading off unnecessary people in his life, being more present, integrating our lives etc. It’s been almost 3yrs now. We’re able to talk more openly and thus less mind games. It took us awhile to get here. I won’t deny though... the possessiveness, jealousy and suspicions are still there but now we can talk about it rather than guess and play passive-aggressive games.

So all in all I would say it depends on the individuals involved. If you can BOTH detach yourselves from the situation and assess it rationally, you can overcome a lot of the negative aspects. It requires both parties to do this together consciously and a lot of genuine love. I know we genuinely love and care about each other but sometimes I would suspect he’s gonna f me up (although it never happen). When I told him this he was shocked...similarly he would sometimes think I’m with another guy when I’m actually at home spring cleaning... so it’s a lot of conscious inner work.

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posted February 05, 2021 12:46 PM              

No worries, won't be bothering you further with inconvenient facts. You're more Plutonian than Batman.

posted February 05, 2021 01:22 PM              

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Originally posted by maleja.rangel:
WOW! What a big discussion haha... honestly I agree with you ChildofVenus, it depends a lot on the birth chart of the individual, my partner has Pluto exactly in the descendant, his Pluto squares Venus, Mercury, and his midheaven. It also has a conjunction Mars and Saturn in Scorpio. we are both plutonians. I also have hard aspects of Pluto in my chart, I have it in an angular house, and I am also a Scorpio rising. In our synastry his conjunction DC / Pluto is exactly conjunct to my AC, and his sun is making a square to my Pluto, in our composite we have Sun opposite Pluto, Moon square Pluto, and Mercury conjunct Pluto.

It has been the best relationship of my life, we have had a lot of mourning in our relationship, especially in our individual behaviors, we have grown at an incredible level, many times through very strong processes. but you know what? we love that, many people have no idea how to deal with plutonian energy, and they are terrified of it. Plutonian relationships serve to work out defects, it's rebirth after the ashes, destruction and then build a blank page, the greater the darkness, the greater the light capacity. YES, you can actually deal with it and make it work for you not against you. We aren't the best relationship but which relationship is it? sometimes we take care to idealize relationships so much that we hope it is perfection, many people did not come to experience "the ideal synastry or composite chart" (this is a sarcasm). Having pluto makes our relationship work. Yes well, it is not ideal for many, but it is ideal for us.

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I'm not scared of Pluto in the least bit. I had a rather Plutonian childhood. Spent 10+ years living under the same roof with a sociopathic step father (who has Sun conjunct Pluto)--symbolized in my chart by Scorpio IC with Sun, ASC/chart ruler in Capricorn square Pluto in 3rd. My mother, who I was very close to and had rare Plutonian attunement in a more positive way (for the most part), and who had Scorpio ASC, is symbolized by my Libra Moon ruling 12th with ruler, Venus almost exactly trine Pluto.

Again, Pluto CAN be and become positive, but all too often, it is used in a very ego centered way. Kudos to you if you and your partner are attuning to Pluto in a positive way.

Also can't help but note that people with strong Scorpio and/or Pluto in particular, often confuse great emotional attachment with "love". In fact, the greater the attachment, the more they feel they "love" the other person and vice versa. Often times, it is more obsession than anything.

Now, what would happen if they found out that the person they love so much and who loves them so much, had a secret affair? 8 out of a 10 times, a strongly Scorpio and/or Pluto attuned person will cut that person completely off, and I mean "completely". They will endeavor to make that person "not exist" anymore.

So much for "love". See, the thing about real love that is is unconditional and forgiving in nature--like the way that Source loves us no matter how much we screw up or forsake it and our true nature. That doesn't mean that one should put up with abusive behavior from an abusive person, in that case, it is better to detach from such a person. But if a person just screws up one time for whatever reason, realizes it, and wants to do better--well it doesn't matter too much because the Scorpio and/or Pluto attuned type has judged them harshly and forever. YOU have HURT ME and now you will PAY is all too often the motto.

This is how I often see strong Pluto used, like I said, on a very ego oriented level of great emotional attachment and unconscious drives towards possession and obsession, but that shite is about as far from real love as one can get.

Btw, I am also speaking out of coming out of a Plutonian connection, with a person more attuned to Pluto than myself. She has Scorpio Moon conjunct Pluto conjunct IC in my 4th. She has her Sun in the 8th (again, not strictly "Plutonian" in and of itself, but supports a larger pattern of "similar/related" energies), and Mercury her ASC/chart and MC ruler is almost exactly inconjunct Pluto.

Besides her Pluto in my 4th, Pluto the ruler of my 4th was opposed her 8th House Sun, her Moon Pluto IC conjunction was conjunct my Uranus ruler of my DESC and Venus. In the composite, we had many Pluto trines, and the ruler of the 8th is conjunct the ASC. Among some other indications. I should note that we are of different generation and thus, Pluto aspects etc do apply more so in this case.

At the end of the day, what I most observed about her, is because of past wounds/trauma, she was filled with FEAR (much, though not all, unconscious). And because of that, tended to act in not particularly healthy nor loving ways. She rejected someone that loved her nearly completely and unconditionally, who saw through her masks and loved her Soul, while settling for partners that were enamored of her physical body and personality (because that's what they primarily resonate with themselves), and is part of a sex obsessed, Guru cult now. Pretty sure she has partaken in orgies and the like. But she thinks that she is "free" and "wild". The leader prefaces his very American/Euro name with "Baba" and then lied on FB that it's an abbreviation for his name Robert. Yeah ok, you f'ing liar/manipulator/cult leader. I've haven't EVER heard anyone with the name Robert abbreviate it with Baba, which just so happens to translate to things like wise old man, etc. in Sanskrit [EDIT, incorrect, Persian] and is often used for gurus as an "honorific".

You would think a strongly Scorpio and Pluto attuned person like her would see through such stuff, but sometimes the emotional attachment is far stronger than their love of truth. That, and their lower self strongly resonates with the lower self of the "leader".

You wanna get Plutonian, I can get Plutonian with the best of them. But it's not an energy I like to delve in, not unless it is the regenerated/transformed form, which ime and observation is far more rare than the base, slow vibratory, very ego centered Pluto. What I am doing in exposing the lacking in Light/Love side of Pluto is actually Plutonian.

posted February 08, 2021 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Smh, you have Sun and MC in Taurus AND the Sun is your ASC/Chart ruler if I remember correctly...but you don't have strong Taurus...

No worries, won't be bothering you further with inconvenient facts. You're more Plutonian than Batman.

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posted February 08, 2021 05:33 PM              

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:

It’s funny how you didn’t mention that my chart ruler makes an opposition to Pluto.

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Oppositions often show up as "other people/particularly affecting relationships", you know that right? Opposition aspects have a 7-7 House connotation. So having Pluto in Scorpio opposite Taurus Sun, for especially a relatively straight woman, indicates doubly that she tends to be attracted to and/or attracts strongly Plutonian and/or Scorpionic partners.

Now, the question is, what is it about these types of men/partners that you are suppose to be learning and/or integrating from? In a very neutral sense, you are indeed suppose to become more "Plutonian" through these connections and relationships. But exactly how so and why, the chart cannot answer. Just can say that this is the balance to strong Taurus and Venus. In a very real sense, there is really more so 6 major Whole Signs that are split up into two pairs of opposites that are two sides of the same coin. Almost like shadow reflections of each other.

The opposite Signs more than any, have a real need to consciously integrate the best, most constructive, most positive of their opposite Sign. This is especially so when a person has major opposition aspects of that energy to a major, sensitive part of the symbol. And in a relatively straight woman's case, especially so when that opposition is to her Sun or Mars (these indicating in a woman's chart, the kind of man/partner she is most attracted to or attracts, besides the more gender neutral DESC/7th for both genders).

(For a relatively straight man, when the opposition is to his Moon or Venus. I say relatively straight, because I do not yet know if it works similarly for more fully gay people etc. Just haven't seen enough charts and examples to form a working hypothesis yet.)

Somewhat related to the above whole concept. Remember earlier when I said I have some folks with strong Cancer in my life, even though I don't have a lick of Cancer in my chart, and it's because Capricorn is my strongest Sign energy. The interesting thing, which I didn't mention earlier, is that these connections/relationships with people that have strong Cancer, are not particularly close and affecting (the one exception being my Mom, who had strong Cancer in her chart).

They don't need to be, because I have that energy already pretty strongly integrated, balanced, and conscious in my chart and psyche. This is symbolized by the Moon being conjunct the ruler of my Sun and Mercury Signs. Hence, I don't unconsciously search for people or partners strongly attuned to Moon and/or Cancer to gain that integration and balance from. Now, if I had been born with Moon opposite that ruler instead of the conjunction, chances are, I'd probably be in closer, more affecting relationships with such strongly Lunar and/or Cancer attuned people.