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Topic: Mars - Pluto vs Venus - Pluto, which is more intense?
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plutonianmenace
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posted July 09, 2021 12:57 PM
  
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Originally posted by athenaia:
Best sex of my life was definitely Mars/Pluto double whammy (the opposition both ways)
how tight were the angles? IP: Logged |
athenaia
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posted July 09, 2021 01:30 PM
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Orange
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posted July 10, 2021 10:41 PM
Ive seen some pretty crazy things going on between people with mars-pluto in synastry.
The obsession is indescribable with words.
If you see a tight mars-pluto in synastry between two involved people, you can bet there is some crazy odd outwardly obsession and no outside obstacles can get in between them, like nothing else matters, up until about the time when they start hating on each other and split or kill each other only because of themselves.IP: Logged |
athenaia
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posted July 12, 2021 04:41 PM
Orange ^^^ that is exactly how it is. It's a pretty addictive emotion if one has positive Mars-Pluto influence in their natal. I've also experienced Venus conj Pluto, have very good things to say about it, but if I could choose I'd go for Mars-Pluto every time IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace
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posted July 13, 2021 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by Orange:
Ive seen some pretty crazy things going on between people with mars-pluto in synastry.
The obsession is indescribable with words.
If you see a tight mars-pluto in synastry between two involved people, you can bet there is some crazy odd outwardly obsession and no outside obstacles can get in between them, like nothing else matters, up until about the time when they start hating on each other and split or kill each other only because of themselves.
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Orange
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posted July 13, 2021 07:42 PM
athenaia and plutonian,
i never had a Mars-Pluto in my synastry so i dont have a story to tell but the level of craziness i have seen in those couples that have it, makes me avoid this aspect as the plague.The female astronaut that drove 30 hours from a northen state to Florida wearing pampers so she dont have to stop and pee in a reststop and waste time, in order to get to florida to catch and kill the GF of her former lover ( he was also an astronaut, they flew together in space back in time) - they have a Mars-Pluto tight in their synastry. Also, i am currelntly obsessed with 90 days fiancé TLC show, so this couple Jenny and Sumit- she is a 64 years old woman from usa and he is a 32 years old man from india, they want to get married but everyone around them opposes it because of their age difference, his parents threatened them with whatnot, their friends make fun of them, his friends call her grandma in front of him, etc, but noone, just noone could separate them so after about 5 years of hurdles they finally got married and seem very much in love with each other, currently posting on instagram constantly, cooking together delicious meals. So i looked up their synastry - the moment i saw her Pluto on his Mars and it became clear to me why they were intoxicated with each other.
That is them here on the photo: 
Another couple on the same show - Andrey and Elizabeth ( her entire family constantly attacking him and she having to constantly fight her family to defend him), also have a Mars- Pluto conjunction. They are a die hard couple.
Brad and Angelina Jolie also have a tight Mars-Pluto opposition. Lots of outside attacks towards their relationship from around the world, but only their own personality clash brought them down, not the outsiders, the outer world didnt matter.
with Venus-Pluto aspects , it bestows great love but more often than not it is unrequited kind of love, or one sided or just a sort of a tragic star crossed type of love. IP: Logged |
athenaia
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posted July 13, 2021 08:08 PM
Fascinating Orange, everything you posted. Funny, that Mars-Pluto DW opposition I was talking about was an age gap, 3 year long relationship I was in. Composite Mars was conjunct the ASC, Composite Pluto conjunct the DSC - so the opposition was on the ASC/DSC axis. My God did people have a STRONG reaction to us being together, even complete strangers. The fascination, the disgust. Initially it drew us closer together, but as you mentioned, of course it internalized and drove us permanently apart in the end. Conversely, I have this with my best friend. My Mars trine their Mars, both our Mars forming a grand trine with our Pluto. Also have Mars opposite Pluto in the composite - it's much healthier. A recent example of this ride-or-die energy, my bff had another friend who would CONSTANTLY say catty sh*t to me. I would point this out to my bff, that their friend K was a jealous little assh*le who wanted my bff all to themselves. After months of this behavior, I finally went off on my bff and said they had no loyalty, they weren't protecting our friendship. Finally my bff cut this person off and literally said to me "nothing will ever tear us apart" That was very Mars-Pluto too imo, the healthy kind IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted July 13, 2021 08:54 PM
athenaia, yes, it looks to me that Mars-Pluto results in such a strong amalgam of the two partners, that the outsiders just cant stand this level of obsessions' and want to see them down and apart. It's a nuclear kind of magnetic attraction. It overrides just everything else in the rest of the synastry and the couple rides on this aspect alone for the duration of their relationship especially in the beginning. However in most cases that ive seen, the connection crashes in the air in the most painful of ways.oh, just remembered, Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez also have a very tight 1 degree Mars-Pluto opposition. She appears to still be grieving the end of their relationship, she got ill after it ended, etc. He looks constantly depressed too, i dunno. This aspect kinda screwed them, i feel bad for them. IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted July 14, 2021 01:00 AM
kourtney kardash and travis barker also have a very tight 1 degree of this magic - his Pluto opposes her Mars and squares her Moon. these two are currently insatiably obsessed with each other. She just commented to him on insta" i want to suck your blood"......
she proly thinks she's saying something outrageous to him, lol IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted July 14, 2021 07:03 AM
I don’t experience such fatal attraction mentioned above. Our Pluto-Mars square/quincunx are at tight orbs (0-1deg). Composite Mars also quincunx Pluto. Together 3yrs. He’s 2yrs younger than me and from a different country. We’re very sociable together, make friends easily everywhere we go. Also get along well with both our friends. Seemed to be lucky together. I can’t think of anyone hating on us (or maybe they secretly hate us?)😂 Anyway, Mars-Pluto can make one excessively protective of the other so maybe this is why they attract haters. This aspect can bring out strong feelings in each other as well but we definitely don’t hate or feel like slitting each others’ throats, lol. In fact, our relationship is mostly harmonious. I believe other loving aspects help a lot (we also have several Moon-Venus-Neptune-angles contacts). Edit: If in Synastry the couple also has Mars in harsh aspects to each other’s Mars/Sun/Mercury/Moon/Uranus, then aggression can increase but on its own Mars-Pluto does not override other loving aspects as I’m experiencing it first-hand. Also, just to add on about attracting haters. I remember one gal was crushing on my guy and kept attacking me out of jealousy. She wanted to make me leave him. I don’t know what my guy did but one day she suddenly developed animosity towards him (perhaps she got rejected) and started talking sh*t about him to me. It’s crazy.
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plutonianmenace
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posted July 14, 2021 10:27 AM
So I recently posted about it in a synastry about an intense relationship I saw at the workplace. One guy working under me (Leo sun) had a very intense standoff with this one more senior employee (Sagittarius sun). He is usually a jolly guy who is super positive and she is usually a happy go lucky person as well, they are both like rays of sunshine. She even had a very high pitched voice like that of a teenage girl despite being in her forties.His Mars (Gemini) was trine her Pluto (Libra) at an orb of 0 degrees and her Mars (Scorpio) conjunct his Pluto (Scorpio) at 2 degrees. The two had to work closely together on projects but luckily we were mostly remote due to COVID. Now the guy who works under me comes to me about how she seems so intense and angry at him. I even see a Zoom call he secretly recorded where she had that silent anger of a raging bull about to rush and that intense glare in her eyes when she looked at him. I've never seen her like this and then she goes on to have a very commanding and bossy tone towards him. She plays all sorts of deceptive games with him to get under his skin, even getting in the way of him getting paid or intentionally doing stuff to make sure he doesn't. One day she schedules a meeting with me raging mad about how the guy is making her comfortable, tell her to stop working with him and how I can make it happen, she says she needs to still work with him. I have never seen her so mad, it was Satanic. Meanwhile, he says that she contacts him outside of work regularly. They argued for months and it seemed intense. I hear rumors of them meeting up in real life to make out and have sex. Did not believe it until I saw it myself at a park. Then it continues to happen to the point where she has to move away. I find the drama too much and I fire the guy under me, just recently had her chew me out in such a satanic type of way, she hated him being let go. Let's see what comes of it. Here is the thread about it:
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hearttreasure
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posted July 15, 2021 02:31 AM
^^ It seems like the Scorpio Mars and/or Mars/Pluto hard aspect you are talking about, the anger, evil glares, etc. My Mother in law has Mars/Pluto conjunction, and one of my sister in law has Scorpio Mars. They are very controlling (a.k.a you should obey them or you will get that evil anger) and have an anger that makes you really really uncomfortable. I have issues with them, especially, since they try to destroy me in a sneaky way because my husband who has Mars/Pluto trine close to both of them and, yeah, he kind of betrays me with it (I and my husband has Mars/Pluto trine in synastry). Am I making them angry? Probably. But here's what happened and why they are angry with me: - When my husband cheated several times and I was so frustrated that he didn't listen to me, I went to his Mom (my Mother in law) thinking she would help me talking to him, either he would stop or break up. Guess what I got? She mocked me, she yelled at me, she accused me, humiliated me, and drove me out of her house. I was very shocked and it crushed my heart because I came with good intention thinking she would be like my Mother, putting us together and had discussion to find solution, but.. *sigh* it's so bad to remember it again. Later I heard she talked to everyone (including to my husband) that I hurt her with insult without telling them the whole story (because I bet everyone can feel Mars/Pluto in her, so they didn't ask more), I felt betrayed because I never said bad words to her as my topic was about his cheating. After years (after learning through my mistake and stop), I come to realization that she doesn't like her children being wronged by anyone (maybe for some it's called "protecting" but in a wrong way), she doesn't like hearing her children has bad behavior/attitude, etc, well, that's why my husband feels what he did to me (cheat, physical abuse, verbal abuse) is never wrong, he always has the right to do that to me and his Mother AGREE since she doesn't like me being too honest about her children. - My husband has a tendency bad-mouthing the person he feels angry with, so, it's me. Yes, because he doesn't like you wronged him, disobey him, or telling him what to do even it is for a better. He's bad-mouthing me to his family since he knows her Mother dislike me, so it's kind of he has two-faced? (He is a Gemini sun btw) because to me he never says what he says to other people about me, like, it's totally the opposite. Her sister has Gemini moon (the Scorpio Mars), so they love gossiping and the topic is about me. I have found their message mocking me, making a bad joke about me, and I really really feel betrayed. Whenever I met his sister, yes, the glares, and the energy feels really uncomfortable. Right now, I pull my self away from his family, I say no often, and it's anger them more. But I don't care since it's enough for me to feel stabbed. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace
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posted July 15, 2021 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
^^ It seems like the Scorpio Mars and/or Mars/Pluto hard aspect you are talking about, the anger, evil glares, etc. My Mother in law has Mars/Pluto conjunction, and one of my sister in law has Scorpio Mars. They are very controlling (a.k.a you should obey them or you will get that evil anger) and have an anger that makes you really really uncomfortable. I have issues with them, especially, since they try to destroy me in a sneaky way because my husband who has Mars/Pluto trine close to both of them and, yeah, he kind of betrays me with it (I and my husband has Mars/Pluto trine in synastry). Am I making them angry? Probably. But here's what happened and why they are angry with me: - When my husband cheated several times and I was so frustrated that he didn't listen to me, I went to his Mom (my Mother in law) thinking she would help me talking to him, either he would stop or break up. Guess what I got? She mocked me, she yelled at me, she accused me, humiliated me, and drove me out of her house. I was very shocked and it crushed my heart because I came with good intention thinking she would be like my Mother, putting us together and had discussion to find solution, but.. *sigh* it's so bad to remember it again. Later I heard she talked to everyone (including to my husband) that I hurt her with insult without telling them the whole story (because I bet everyone can feel Mars/Pluto in her, so they didn't ask more), I felt betrayed because I never said bad words to her as my topic was about his cheating. After years (after learning through my mistake and stop), I come to realization that she doesn't like her children being wronged by anyone (maybe for some it's called "protecting" but in a wrong way), she doesn't like hearing her children has bad behavior/attitude, etc, well, that's why my husband feels what he did to me (cheat, physical abuse, verbal abuse) is never wrong, he always has the right to do that to me and his Mother AGREE since she doesn't like me being too honest about her children. - My husband has a tendency bad-mouthing the person he feels angry with, so, it's me. Yes, because he doesn't like you wronged him, disobey him, or telling him what to do even it is for a better. He's bad-mouthing me to his family since he knows her Mother dislike me, so it's kind of he has two-faced? (He is a Gemini sun btw) because to me he never says what he says to other people about me, like, it's totally the opposite. Her sister has Gemini moon (the Scorpio Mars), so they love gossiping and the topic is about me. I have found their message mocking me, making a bad joke about me, and I really really feel betrayed. Whenever I met his sister, yes, the glares, and the energy feels really uncomfortable. Right now, I pull my self away from his family, I say no often, and it's anger them more. But I don't care since it's enough for me to feel stabbed.
The deception and mind games, crazy! IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted July 17, 2021 09:17 AM
I’ve been trying to figure out my BIL’s birthday. I either did his chart, years ago, or my sister showed it to me. I remember moon in Pisces or Aries, Venus in Aries, mars in Gemini, Uranus in cancer possibly. My mum supported my sister, but felt a bit alarmed that she was marrying a senior citizen, when she was in her thirties. She also once called him a Svengali, when he was manipulating her, after I finally admitted that he’d hit on me, and didn’t want her to bring him back for the holidays. He was about six or seven years younger than my mother. I can’t remember his birthdate, but if I’ve got it narrowed down correctly, his mars in Gemini (which I already knew about), was trine my Pluto, and my sister’s. I wanted nothing to do with him, she stuck with him. His Saturn/Neptune opposes my Mercury, Ceres, Chiron, and sun. The prick. His Pluto in Leo trines the same group, and my sister’s mars in Sagittarius. It also opposes her Venus in Aquarius. She would talk about looking younger than the college students in the college town he first lived in, and how people would react. They heard girls talking behind them once, as they walked down the street. Saying it was gross, and “she’s just a baby!” He kept hitting on me, so I just think he’s gross, period. His Mercury is conjunct my descendant, going by this chart, and opposed my Uranus, too. He definitely affected my relationships. IP: Logged |
Sinder
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posted July 17, 2021 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by Eternal Energy:
Pluto-Venus.This is not just sex.
It is THE sex. This is not just a bonding.
It is THE bonding. This is not just a relationship.
It is THE relationship. You will never be the same after this love. It lasts forever.
I have the conjunction with someone by 6 degree, who fees what? IP: Logged |
Eternal Energy
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posted July 20, 2021 03:38 PM
I have to assume sweet Sinder that you are the Venus. Because Pluto knows. And if he is not the one with the feelings burning inside him, then who else could it be?IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace
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posted July 26, 2021 11:33 PM
Mars and Pluto is messed up manIP: Logged |
SimplyLuna
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posted July 27, 2021 03:31 AM
Question, would you consider progressed Mars opposite Pluto give the same energy as natal to natal - just its temporarily until it's out of orb?IP: Logged | |
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