posted April 05, 2014 09:05 AM            

This is the multi composite (gravity-whatever) for the 26th april, the day of the Artus perfromance, I used as birthtime the time it is starting.

Just have a look at the ASC.

posted April 05, 2014 09:07 AM            

You're not.

This is like the coolest thing ever.

posted April 05, 2014 09:16 AM            

Of course I love that as well.
How could I not with VALENTINE conjunct UNION on 3 Libra exact? Or Sun-Venus-conjunction?

posted April 05, 2014 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You're kidding!!

You're not.

This is like the coolest thing ever.

And aren't you both Sag?

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No, not kidding, though I thought I couldn`t believe my eyes seein that.

Also in our normal composite we have a triple conjunction of Mercury-Neptune-Sappho on 15-17 Sag.
And yes we are both Sags.

His Sun on 27 Sag, Moon and MC on 28 Sag
my Sun on 26 Sag and Mercury on 25 Sag.

Oh additionally I have Merlin on 24 Sag.

Interestingly the frist chart`s Moon is exactly on my natal Moon, and its Sun-Cupido is exactly on his natal Venus.

That KARMA-UNION you see ther eon 6 Libra,

well we hae natally

his KARMA 3.18 Libra
his DESTINN 6.06 Libra

posted April 05, 2014 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Leeloo, have you found any interesting pattern in the multi-composite?

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Tulipe, I'm in the process of checking them, but I did check my FM with my current interest (duh!

Theoretically, a composite between the natals and FM would be a prediction tool for the future (or not) of the relationship, kinda of what follows after that FM, like the next step. This is how I would interpret it. It would show how that FM affects their lives and if it can lead to something more. And it says things about this next step.

In my FM I found:

A Grand Fire Trine: Moon conjunct Saturn and Union trine Jupiter trine Uranus. Being fire, passion, heat, but also things developing rather rapidly. When I see Grand Trine, I look for the apex of a Kite. I've found it in Juno. Not bad, we might be together but...take a long trip together? or even change countries? (Juno in 9th house Aquarius)

Moon conjunct Saturn (it's a loose conjunction, in Leo 3rd house) - it takes time to clarify what we feel, stable feelings developing, but not necessarily shown. Reserve. Saturn conjunct my own Moon.

Squares Sun conjunct Venus in 6th house. Unlike others, I like the 6th house in composite. It shows the two will live together at some point. Or work together maybe, although this is usually shown more by the 10th house.

NN conjunct Vertex and DSC in Sagittarius. Again, a foreign lands theme. POF on DSC. POF is always good on angles or major planets.

ASC in Gemini conjunct his natal Mars. He needs to make the first step for the next stage to happen.

Amor in 1st trines Lust and Juno, forming kite with Jupiter. This is good. Jupiter in Aries 11th house. A passionate relationship, when it starts, it moves fast.

But Saturn in 3rd Leo squares Sun/Venus and Eros, opposite Juno. It will take some time to get together, there is a communication breakup. Also, we are in different locations (Saturn in 3rd) which is true.

If it were an isolated Saturn - Sun/Venus square, it could mean not following through the FM or an obstacle in being together. usually, if the obstacle is overturned, the relationship with Sun square Saturn is enduring. But Saturn forms a Grand Cross and is trined by Jupiter and Uranus, so we might be together after all.

Ruler of the chart conjunct NN. Another good marker.

Venus conjunct his natal Moon. Uranus conjunct our NN midpoint (we have 10 deg between our NN).

Juno conjunct his natal Juno.

MC in Pisces, ruler in the 7th.

His planets are touched more heavily by the FM than mine.

This is how I would interpret a FM - natals multi-composite.

posted April 05, 2014 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
as for him, he has a chance to fall in love

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he better

I find it interesting that when we first met he was having pr Sun conjunct his n Venus precise, and this one is going to be highlighted by the multi-comp Sun once again.

I wanted to say something about the isolated squares, too. I noticed as well, that while if a square is embedded in a bigger pattern it almost seems to act as a motor, while it can REALLY create havoc or blockages when it comes as an isolated aspect.

I thought I was the only one noticing it, and not sure I maybe just interpreted it because of what I want to see, so I am glad you saw it, too.

Well, in our first meeting chart the most exact aspect is a Sun-Saturn-square. Yes, not good I know (just read you have it, too. Interesting).

However it is involved in a very close pattern of a mystical triangle. Saturn not only squares Sun but also trines the Moon-Pluto-conjunction closely. I find that intriguing.

Sun square Saturn: 0°04
Sun quinkunx Moon: 0°06
Sun quinkunx Pluto: 1°42
Saturn trine Moon: 0°02
Saturn trine Pluto : 1°29

Oh Iwas mistaken, the Moon-SAturn-trines is even closer in orb.

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I find it interesting, too, cause natally we both have Saturn configured with the luminaries though, differnt aspects.

for me it is:
Saturn quinkunx Moon exact
Saturn quadranovile Sun exact (big 9th harmonic pattern in my chart involving Saturn, Sun, Juno and DESC).

for him it is:
Saturn squaring Sun exact
Saturn squaring Moon, but with about 2 degree orb.
(saturn also sextiles Juno, while it is a trine for me)

Of course because of this our composite also has Saturn configured with Moon, Juno and even Sun.

Saturn widely trine Sun (5 degrees), quinkunx Moon (1) and square Juno (1), with Sun being quintile Juno, and Moon being exactly trine Juno.

Big Sun-Moon-Saturn-Juno pattern. lol
(in the composite Pluto is also part of a 5th harmonic patern with Sun and Juno)

So I thought it was intersting it sort of reappeared in the first meeting chart.

The other thing I find interesting is that the corners of the mystical triangle sort of fall onto interesting places.

FM Saturn conjunct his NN exact
FM Moon and Pluto conjunct my VESTA exact (and his Moon).

and thus activating the grand trine of his VESTA and NN and my VESTA.

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posted April 05, 2014 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Wow! So very cool!!! Ooohhhhh, Ceri this could be the day!!!!

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posted April 05, 2014 11:07 AM            

The NN/Vertex/DSC in your multi-composite is very fascinating, and with the POF also, it has fate written all over it.

So you find a Grand Cross would be more sure to make things happen than a Kite? Is it because it's the hard aspect? How about the T-square? Or a Yod?

When you say about the planets in compostie 6th would show living arrangement in the future, do you apply it to the composite or only the natals-FM multi?

And do you count the POF as part of a pattern?

posted April 05, 2014 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Wow! So very cool!!! Ooohhhhh, Ceri this could be the day!!!!

Man the composite between the FM and natals being a prediction for the future of the relationship? Really? What would you say would be a key thing to look for??

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Tgem, I would read it as a prognostic for the relationship, specifically for the next stage. They say that, for example, the date when you make love for the first time is another "FM", important meeting, like re-FM, a "birth" of the couple. Or the date you move in together - another FM.

So the first first FM speaks more about the stage following it, IMO. But I'm improvising here, feel free to correct or add ideas.

posted April 05, 2014 12:14 PM            

"I wanted to say something about the isolated squares, too. I noticed as well, that while if a square is embedded in a bigger pattern it almost seems to act as a motor, while it can REALLY create havoc or blockages when it comes as an isolated aspect."

"Well, in our first meeting chart the most exact aspect is a Sun-Saturn-square. Yes, not good I know (just read you have it, too. Interesting).

However it is involved in a very close pattern of a mystical triangle. Saturn not only squares Sun but also trines the Moon-Pluto-conjunction closely. I find that intriguing."

To me, it looks like the possible blockage Saturn could bring comes from the same area: communication and/or distance (Saturn falling exactly on 9th house cusp, involving 3rd/9th). The "surprise" (quincunx) comes from the Moon/Pluto conjunction, specifically the Moon/Pluto/Juno conjunction, I find it connected in this case, and is probably triggered by Uranus in 3rd (unexpected, sudden communication) and Mercury (adding the same flavor) or movement. I wouldn't discount this 1st house stellium - Uranus - Mercury T-square if I were you, Ceri, although I know you like them tight Especially since both Mercury and Uranus are connected with Jupiter and even Venus (I know, I know), so Uranus is a big helper in this chart, IMO.

"FM Saturn conjunct his NN exact
FM Moon and Pluto conjunct my VESTA exact (and his Moon).

and thus activating the grand trine of his VESTA and NN and my VESTA."

Well, then, if it activates such important planets (your Vesta, Moon, Pluto, Saturn) and angles, then something good must come out of it, square or no square. Lack of aspects or aspects to, I don't know, Part of Horsemanship or something, show lack of happenings, IMO. Not hard aspects on major points.

posted April 05, 2014 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Wow, thanks Leeloo, it's very detailed, I'll follow your direction .

The NN/Vertex/DSC in your multi-composite is very fascinating, and with the POF also, it has fate written all over it.

So you find a Grand Cross would be more sure to make things happen than a Kite? Is it because it's the hard aspect? How about the T-square? Or a Yod?

When you say about the planets in compostie 6th would show living arrangement in the future, do you apply it to the composite or only the natals-FM multi?

And do you count the POF as part of a pattern?

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Oh, no, Tulipe, all major patterns show manifestation, especially a Kite (giving a definite direction to a Grand Trine). But the Grand Cross shows the inescapable and also, a sign that something becomes manifest in the real world, it takes a real form. It is very compelling.

6th house in everything, composite, Davison, synastry. It is the house of daily life. Actually, it shows those people could possibly be very close, share everything together (on the 6th/12th axis)

The Yod, as we've discussed previously, is a very fated pattern. They say people with a Yod in their composite will definitely be together, sometimes to accomplish a mission together.

posted April 05, 2014 01:02 PM            

" When I see Grand Trine, I look for the apex of a Kite."
Yes, me, too. To see whre the infusion of energy comes from or is being outpoured through.

Juno as Apex sounds marvellous. Good relational potential.

"NN conjunct Vertex and DSC in Sagittarius. Again, a foreign lands theme."
Also looks very fated and with a clear purpose. And the ruler being part of the Grand trine aspecting his natural consort Juno.

"ASC in Gemini conjunct his natal Mars. He needs to make the first step for the next stage to happen."
Yes, makes sense.

Ugh, does that mean *I* have to make the first step because our FM ASC is conjunct my ASC-NN? It is conjunct his Mercury, which rules his DESC, so he is more the receptive part?

Well technically I DID make the first step, didn`t I?
YOUR turn, Mister! There is only so much I can do without feeling I am becoming a nuisance or worse - a bore.
Though I sometimes feel scared of this even for jsut entering a room and saying Hello. Well my old self felt this way, my real Self actually thinks Iam pretty amazing, and it definitely would be HIS loss if he didn`t become a little more proactive.
I start getting used to my Sun being conjunct his Moon I suppose. Let him be the star to everyone else, but we know that the real centre is where I AM.

"Amor in 1st trines Lust and Juno, forming kite with Jupiter. This is good. Jupiter in Aries 11th house. A passionate relationship, when it starts, it moves fast."
So you have two interlocking GT`s? Have you checked if you maybe have a star of David?

"But Saturn in 3rd Leo squares Sun/Venus and Eros, opposite Juno. It will take some time to get together, there is a communication breakup. "
Intersting that for you, too Saturn is on the communication axis.

"Ruler of the chart conjunct NN. Another good marker."
meant to be...something. Communication is highlighted again, too.

"Venus conjunct his natal Moon. Uranus conjunct our NN midpoint (we have 10 deg between our NN)."
Strong activation of his natal.
Uranus on your composite NN - sudden surprising electric activation of the purpose of your very connection

posted April 05, 2014 01:22 PM            

But what does it mean, a composite Star of David? You had one too in the 11th I think.

"Ugh, does that mean *I* have to make the first step because our FM ASC is conjunct my ASC-NN? It is conjunct his Mercury, which rules his DESC, so he is more the receptive part?

Well technically I DID make the first step, didn`t I?
YOUR turn, Mister! There is only so much I can do without feeling I am becoming a nuisance or worse - a bore.
Though I sometimes feel scared of this even for jsut entering a room and saying Hello. Well my old self felt this way, my real Self actually thinks Iam pretty amazing, and it definitely would be HIS loss if he didn`t become a little more proactive.
I start getting used to my Sun being conjunct his Moon I suppose. Let him be the star to everyone else, but we know that the real centre is where I AM."

posted April 05, 2014 01:45 PM            

"But what does it mean, a composite Star of David? You had one too in the 11th I think."
Yes, we had it, too, in 11th.

It is an energy system, all the planets in there acting together, a great flow of energy, I probably would focus on the oppositions to see where and how things "happen", and the sextiles are supporting the flow of the Grand trines.

We do also have a Star of David in our helio composite.

Venus 13 Aquarius
Pluto 13 Libra
Jupiter 11 Gemini

Ceres 12 Aries
Destinn and Persephone 13 and 11 Leo
Neptune 14 Sagittarius.

So I would most of all focus on

Venus - Destin (Persephone)
Ceres - Pluto
Jupiter- Neptune

You probably could interprete it similiar to a kite, just more cushioned.

in the 11th harmonic composite it was

NN 18 Scorpio
Amor 16 Scrpio

Uranus 16 Cancer
Ceres 16 Caner

Pluto 17 Pisces

and

SN 18 Taurus
Sun 20 Taurus
Vlentine 19 Taurus
Cupido 18 Taurus

Neputne 17 Cap

Karma 16 Virgo

the backbones are:

NN-Amor to SN/Sun/Val/Cupido
Uranus/Ceres to Neptune
Pluto - Karma

those are the bridges between the grand trines.

" It means the FM is on your direction of life"
Yes, I certainly feel that.

"His Mercury ruler of DSC shows he is a good communicator as a partner. How is it aspected in his chart?"

It is closely squaring his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction in Virgo in 6th house. Actually Mercury and Jupiter are in mutual reception.

It has some 5th harmonic aspects too:
quintiles VERTEX and Saturn on the DESC exact
biquintiles VESTA exact

Aha, there it is again, the VESTA-thing. lol

SAturn-Vertex also biquintiles VESTA exact so he actually has a 5th harmonic triangle of

Mercury in Sag on the 9th house cusp
quintile
Saturn and Vertex in Virgo in 7th house

and both biquintile
VESTA in Taurus in 1st house

midpoint patterns
VESTA =
Mercury/Saturn (0.03) ) =
Mercury/VERTEX (0°33) =
Mercury/DESC (0.27)

Saturn rules his 11th house. And Mercury rules his 7th, 4th and 3rd house.

" And with your Sun conjunct his Moon (what a perfect aspect), you should have no reticence approaching or communicating with him"
Actually my Mercury is also conjunct his Sun, Moon and MC, as i have an exact Sun-Mercury-conjunction. I sometimes forget to mention Mercury, because they are so much an unit for me.

" A comfortable feeling should be there from the start and no matter what you do."
Yes, the few times we had some sort of conversation it felt so, I donīt know, natural.

But I suppose communication IS a learning-area for us, our composite has Chiron in 3rd house on the last degree of Aries, and the NN is in 9th house conjunct Amor, Cupido and Mars.

posted April 05, 2014 02:19 PM            

The oppositions (I like them!) are:

Juno-Saturn
Amor-Uranus
Jupiter-Lust

Vesta is REALLY a theme for you and this man.

"his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction in Virgo in 6th house.'

wow he must have a very strong daily appetite ( sorry, couldn't help it)

posted April 05, 2014 02:20 PM            

"To me, it looks like the possible blockage Saturn could bring comes from the same area: communication and/or distance (Saturn falling exactly on 9th house cusp, involving 3rd/9th)"
Yes, definitely.
Well funnily enough we are not even living that far from each other.
But communication definitely IS an issue.
Probably doesn`t help that his Mercury is conjunct my Neptune exact. Though funnily Mercury rules his 3rd, Neptune rules my 3rd, so the same conjunctions that might be part of the evasiveness in communication also represents an union of our communication-styles. lol

". The "surprise" (quincunx) comes from the Moon/Pluto conjunction"
Yes I was VERY surprised.

Maybe he was, too. FM Uranus is conjunct his ASC.

", specifically the Moon/Pluto/Juno conjunction"
Yes, I would count Juno here, too - loosely at least.

I don`t count Mercury in relation to Moon and Pluto though, tha tone is really too wide. Too frazzled to be of real importance for Moon-Pluto.

However I would count it very very very very loosely with Juno.
But more than because of the 5 deree orb, because of the midpoint pattern. As Uranus falls onto the Mercury/Juno-mp, they have something to do with each other.
I of course would also count Uranus squaring Mercury and sextile Venus. First meeting charts are like natal charts. I also would count Jupiter trine Venus. Actually it is interesting that the last aspect the chartruler makes is a trine to Venus. It might take time to get there, but it is there.

Uranus is loosely sextile Venus and def. sextle Jupiter, so that is nice.

" so Uranus is a big helper in this chart, IMO."
Yes, I think so, too.

Interestingly when we met my n Uranus was trine his pr Venus. now we are just leaving his n Uranus squaring my pr Venus behind. lol

BTW interestingly my Sun-Mercury is conjunct his Venus/Uranus-mp (they are also sextile in his natal)

"Lack of aspects or aspects to, I don't know, Part of Horsemanship or something, show lack of happenings, IMO. Not hard aspects on major points."
LOL, Part of horsemanship.

But I agree with you.

Strong synastries, fm, or composites have strong aspects going on.

"But what is that thing near the sun, with P?"
Priapus. The Moonperigee. The point where you want to merge in very physical terms, and also the point where emotions are heightened (Supermoon). It is usually on the opposite side of the chart than the Black Moon, its counterpart. Where the BML makes the connection between the Moon and the Sun, and distancing from the physical dimension of earth, Priapus or the Moonīs perigee, makes the connection from Moon to earth, and wanting to become fully "embodied" (and rape a few nympths or goddesses on the way. lol)

it is just a point where the instinctual drive to merge is uncontrollable strong, so much that boundaries might not always be respected (your own and other`s). I find it interesting how Sun is aligned with Priapus and with Sappho here. In gemini.

posted April 05, 2014 03:13 PM            

Sun is exactly on my Sun/Moon midpoint, I can't help myself . Jupiter oppiste Neptune, part of the T-square, is on his Nodal axis exact.

Venus in 6th is in a fixed tight square with Saturn, urgh. You and Ceridwen both notice a lone square can be a block that prevent things to happen. Although Venus conjunct his IC exact, it affects him to his core.

Moon in 2nd loosely conjunct his Mars 3 degrees, how he acts affect this relationship deeply.
Mars loosely conjunct my IC 4 degrees, a bit wide, but still the effect is felt.
ASC conjunct our progressed composite DSC 3 degrees, I'm not sure about this, though.

I asked about the Yod because when I pluck POF in, it forms 2 patterns:

ASC sextile Mercury (chart ruler) 0 degree 04'
ASC quincunx POF (POF in 8th conjunct 8th house cusp by 1.5 degree) 0 degree 12'
POF quincunx Mercury 0 degree 07'
POF at the apex, oppose Moon (Moon exact on 2nd cusp) 1 degree 12'

MC sextile POF 1 degree 43'
MC quincunx Mercury 1 degree 36'
POF quincunx Mercury 0 degree 07'
Merucy is this time at the apex, conjunct 3rd house cusp by 1 degree 10'

I hesitate to call them Yod, the second pattern do not have tight aspects, but the configuration: two Yods with interchanged apexes are also figure in the FM chart. And I can't help but notice the tight Yod points to the 2nd/8th axis.

posted April 05, 2014 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Leeloo, thanks for being patient with my questions . I looked at the multi-composite and see a Cardinal T-square with Sun at the apex in 2nd. So I think it's like a Grand Trine, the energy'd still flow, things'll develop quickly but it'll lack direction, not so good.

Sun is exactly on my Sun/Moon midpoint, I can't help myself . Jupiter oppiste Neptune, part of the T-square, is on his Nodal axis exact.

Venus in 6th is in a fixed tight square with Saturn, urgh. You and Ceridwen both notice a lone square can be a block that prevent things to happen. Although Venus conjunct his IC exact, it affects him to his core.

Moon in 2nd loosely conjunct his Mars 3 degrees, how he acts affect this relationship deeply.
Mars loosely conjunct my IC 4 degrees, a bit wide, but still the effect is felt.
ASC conjunct our progressed composite DSC 3 degrees, I'm not sure about this, though.

I asked about the Yod because when I pluck POF in, it forms 2 patterns:

ASC sextile Mercury (chart ruler) 0 degree 04'
ASC quincunx POF (POF in 8th conjunct 8th house cusp by 1.5 degree) 0 degree 12'
POF quincunx Mercury 0 degree 07'
POF at the apex, oppose Moon (Moon exact on 2nd cusp) 1 degree 12'

MC sextile POF 1 degree 43'
MC quincunx Mercury 1 degree 36'
POF quincunx Mercury 0 degree 07'
Merucy is this time at the apex, conjunct 3rd house cusp by 1 degree 10'

I hesitate to call them Yod, the second pattern do not have tight aspects, but the configuration: two Yods with interchanged apexes are also figure in the FM chart. And I can't help but notice the tight Yod points to the 2nd/8th axis.

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I like your analysis.
But IMO, a T-square is not like a Grand Trine. The energy of a GT flows in a comfortable, familiar manner. There are supportive forces, from the inside and the outside. A T-square, especially a Cardinal one, is a different energy: tension, need for action and realization, the people involved are on their own, need to push their limits.

Jupiter on NN/SN: meeting you is a lucky omen for him. You will aid him, support him, or bring him luck.

Venus on IC, Mars on IC- very compelling, this meeting will affect you both in a profound manner. Notice the male/female archetype: he touches your "male" image, you touch his "female" image.

I wouldn't call a 3 deg. conjunction between Moon and Mars a "loose" one. It's tight! Since it's the Moon. And Mars. Great insight about him affecting the relationship.

ASC conjunct progressed DSC is good. The DSC is where you get together, your partnership.

Why do you say the second one is not a tight Yod? Because it's not 0? C'mon, they are both tight! And I think they are very significant, interconnected as they are and falling on your synastric axis.

They are very interesting, the Yods, and in this case, I would definitely consider POF.

I'd say a force majeure event, an act of fate, a divine intervention (POF) with a major emotional impact "speeds" your relationship in the direction it needs to take (Mercury - the lord of movement, the "intermediary", involving 3rd house too): if you're meant to be together, this event will draw you closer; if your better destiny is to split, this event will separate you. Things will move fast at some point. POF in the 8th...don't know what to say about that.

In any case, it's POF, so it's the best possible course. You must have faith in the universe with this one.

posted April 05, 2014 03:39 PM            

it is just a point where the instinctual drive to merge is uncontrollable strong, so much that boundaries might not always be respected (your own and other`s). I find it interesting how Sun is aligned with Priapus and with Sappho here. In gemini."

posted April 05, 2014 05:12 PM            

Force majeure, I like this term, very powerful yet unpredictable, and regarless of the outcome, two parties will be deeply transformed. You must speak French. The POF in 8th may be we must joint forces in this do or die situation. See? You keep my thoughts flowing, you're a good teacher. Don't know why, but I just have the impression you're a Sag. Keep up the good work, Leeloo, I lurked in all your threads

posted April 05, 2014 06:07 PM            

I only have Neptune conjunct NN in Sag, but that's good enough for me. And I speak French

posted April 05, 2014 11:34 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
LoadedPistil, are/were you together? (FM Sun and IC conjunct your Saturn)

Are there any Grand Crosses in FM and FM/natal comparison? I notice many squares.

Are/were you a "temptation" to him, the Lilith woman (the forbidden one)?

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Yes; he's slipping on a rock at the moment.
No-2 yods, 3 cradles and a t-square in the FM no grand crosses in any
Yes