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LeeLoo2014
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posted April 01, 2014 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...or any other significant meeting.

I know this must have been discussed, but I'm interested in markers for significant relationships, at least soulmates.

Make a synastry between your (and then his/her) natal and the first meeting chart.

List the closest aspects (if possible the exact or almost exact ones, 1 deg - larger orbs if very significant aspects or luminaries). I'm specifically interested in conjunctions.

Please use the following asteroids/points also:

Pars of Fortune
Vertex
Lilith
Chiron
Juno
Pholus

and asteroids:

Alma 390
Eros 433
Psyche 16
Cupid 763
Valentine 447
Amor 1221
Lust 4386
Karma 3811
Union 1585

and any other you may find fit for the task.

Thank you


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posted April 01, 2014 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Always game (I am using those only you mentioned)

oh and I excluded sextiles


exact conjunctions

- Moon conjunct my VESTA exact (33 minutes)
- Pluto conjunct my VESTA (50 minutes)
- ASC conjunct my Neptune exact (55 minutes)
- Jupiter conjunct my AVX (37 minutes)
- Neptune conjunct my mean Lilith (14 Minutes)
- Neptune conjunct my PSYCHE (13 miutes)
- mean LILITH conjunct my Mars (24 minutes)
- JUNO conjunct my Sun (31 minutes)
- PHOLUS conjunct my LUST (45 minutes)
- EROS conjunct my KAALI (15 minutes)

other conjunctions within 2 degrees appr.
- ASC conjunct my NN (1°08)
- ASC conjunct my ASC (2°00)
- ASC conjunct my LUST (1°18)
- MC conjunct my Pluto (1°08)
- IC conjunct my ALMA (1°12)
- Vx conjunct my Vx (2°12)
- Vx conjunct my EROS (2°40)
- mean Lilith conjunct my ASC (2°15)
- JUNO conjunct my Mercury (1.24)
- PHOLUS conjunct my ASC (1.27)
- PHOLUS conjunct my Neptune (1.26)
- PHOLUS conjunct my NN (1.42)
- LUST conjunct my VALENTINE (2.01)

other exact aspects
- IC trine my LUST exact (13 minutes)
- Sun opposite my AMOR exact (4 minutes)
- Moon sextile my Uranus exact (34 minutes)
- ASC sextile my Pluto exact (4 minutes)
- Venus opposite my VALENTINE (9 minutes)
- Mars trine my ASC (3 minutes)
- Mars trine my LUST (39 minutes)
- Mars trine my ALMA (20 minutes)
- Saturn trine my VESTA (39 minutes)
- Saturn square my AMOR (7 minute)
- Uranus trine my Vx (41 minutes)
- PALLAS trine my VESTA (27 minutes)
- PALLAS opposite my Uranus (26 minutes)
- ALMA trine my Uranus (47 minutes)
- PSYCHE trine my Saturn (57 minutes)
- PSYCHE trine my JUNO (58 minutes)
- VALENTINE square my Moon (38 minutes)

additionally:

- Jupiter opposite my EROS (1°03)
- Uranus trine my EROS (1°10)

some relevant midpoints:
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Tr Moon= my Sun/Venus (53 minutes)
Tr Pluto = my Sun/Venus (27 minutes)
Tr Pluto = my Merucury/Venus (3 minutes)

Tr Mercury = Venus/Mars (18 minutes)

Tr Jupiter = Sun/Moon (34 minutes)
Tr Jupitr = Moon/ Mercury (60 minutes)

The hotspots thus have been:


°Tr PHOLUS-ASC falling onto my ASC-LUST-Neptune-NN

°Tr JUNO conjunct my Sun-Mercury and Jupitr/Pluto-mp

° Tr Moon-Pluto falling onto my VESTA and Sun/Venus-mp and Mercury/Venus-mp

° Tr Jupiter falling onto my Avx and Sun/Moon-mp, opposing my EROS-DESTINN- PAN

° Tr Neptune on my PSYCHE-mean LILITH

° Tr IC on my ALMA-IC- AURA

° Tr VALENTINE on my name asteroid lol

° Tr Venus opposite my VALENTINE

° Tr UNION on my Venus/Pluto-mp

° Tr Mercury on myVenus/Mars-mp

° Tr Sun on my Venus/Uranus-mp

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posted April 01, 2014 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nice, Ceri.
I notice a lot of Neptune. Pluto is also involved - a transformative encounter.

All those aspects to the ASC are mindblowing wow.

Sun - Juno or ASC - Juno seems to be a significant marker so far, in the charts I've studied.

In the charts I've studied, Amor is almost always involved. I can see in your case too.

Awww IC conjunct Alma is magnificent.

And as I expected, there MUST be something to Pholus.

Yours seems to have a Vesta flavor. I wonder what that means.

What about his natal compared to the meeting? I wonder if there might be a repetitive theme somewhere.


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posted April 01, 2014 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I notice a lot of Neptune. Pluto is also involved - a transformative encounter."
Yes, you certainly can say that. For me it was.


"All those aspects to the ASC are mindblowing wow."
I was flabbergasted seeing that, I mean I did not PLAN this. lol

I also find it interesting that it falls on one of the hot spots in the synastry, as his Mercury, which rules his DESC and his IC, is falling onto my ASC-Neptune-NN.

"Sun - Juno or ASC - Juno seems to be a significant marker so far, in the charts I've studied."
I am not surprised!

Intreestingly Tr Juno was very precisely conjunct our composite Sun as well (one minute only, or maybe even less than that. lol)

"In the charts I've studied, Amor is almost always involved. I can see in your case too."
Did you see more Amor involvement than Valentine?

Yes, there was a triple conjunction of Sun, PRIAPUS and SAPPHO on 2 and 3 Gemini that day, opposing my n AMOR. mean Lilith was actually conjunct my Amor by 2-3 degrees) Since my Amor is in the 12th house, it really came as a surprise. lol
It definitely surprised me how enarmoured I felt with him.


Tr Uranus was conjunct my Draco Amor exactly, btw.


"Awww IC conjunct Alma is magnificent."
I have it natally, too.


"And as I expected, there MUST be something to Pholus."
Yes I noticed Pholus transits to be very significant, at least in my life. Really huge things happen then.

As of now Tr PHOLUS is hovering over my Sun-Mercury-conjunction, though has retreated to 24 Sag (on my Merlin) right now.

it will be hovering there in the last decanate of Sag all year.
and will actually hit my Sun exactly on 1st march next year.
So whatever this year brings, I suppose it is pivotal.


"Yours seems to have a Vesta flavor. I wonder what that means."
Yes, I find it interesting. Also that my Vesta is connected to my Sun/Venus-mp happening on the Aries point.
Dedication is a part to it, but dedication to what?
Well it is actually widely conjunct Sun AND Venus, too, at 5 degrees, and is closely parallel both. lol
So my Vesta seems to come with a Sun-Venus-flavour.

"What about his natal compared to the meeting? I wonder if there might be a repetitive theme somewhere."
I will have a more thorough check tomorrow.

But yes there IS a repetitive theme I noticed.

Tr Jupiter conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp conjunct composite Moon

Tr JUNO conjunct his Sun/Moon-mp conjunct composite Sun.


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posted April 01, 2014 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri,

So far, Amor sticks out in the comparisons I've made. Valentine is activated too, but Amor is usually on key points (Sun, ASC, DSC, Karma etc.). It kinda makes sense, I think Amor signifies that great love, the love of life.

Regarding your Vesta: it seems very significant to me, to have Vesta on the Aries point, conjunct and involving parallels with Sun and Venus. Apart from devotion, Vesta is that place where we are very passionate, where we really "burn". You must be a very passionate person, especially in love or (if that's the case) in art. An Aries point would say this passion must be somehow brought into the world, bring some fruits into the collective.

If meeting MrSag activated your Vesta, as I can see from the comparison, then he is at least an opportunity to start or "stoke" this fire.

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posted April 01, 2014 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never paid a lot of attention to 1st meeting charts....I thought their importance changed once you slept together, that chart took over...until you has established a routine in the relationship and that was the composite chart? I'm not sure exactly, I think there is a lot of differing opinions on it though.

Me to the 1st meeting chart.....
Sun trined my Eros/Valentine/IC 0-1 degree
Sun opposed my Juno 2 degree
Sun on my Osiris 0 degree
Jupiter opposed my Eros/Valentine/IC 0-1 degree
Pluto conjunct my Eros/Valentine/IC 2-3 degree
Mars trine Mars 2 degree
Mercury and Moon trine my Venus 0-2 degree
Venus/Psyche exact conjunct and sextile my NN 2-3 degree
Saturn conjunct my NN 1 degree
Uranus on my DC 0 degree
Uranus opposed my Pluto 1 degree
NN trine my Mars 0 degree
NN/Vesta/Ceres/Angel conjunct 0-2 degree and on my Akashi/Qumran/Kaali 0-2.5 degree, trine my Mars 0-2 degrees
Anti-Vertex on my Sun/Merc 0 degree
Eros trined my Chiron 0 degree
Juno trined my Aura/Gaea 0 degree
Valentine sextile my Neptune trined my Pluto 2 degree
Valentine trine my AC 0 degree
Vertex opposed my Sun/Merc 0 degree
Vertex trined my Saturn 0 degree
Saturn inconjunct my Vertex 2 degree
Moon sextile Vertex 2 degree
Eros trine Vertex 2.5 degre
Chiron conjunct Vesta 2 degree


For him...
Sun conjunct his Moon/Osiris 2-3 degree
Moon sextile his NN 2 degree
Venus/Psyche trined his Pluto/Uranus/Pallas 0-3 degree
Venus/Psyche sextile Neptune 0 degree
Mars on his SN 1 degree
Eros trined his NN 0 degree
Jupiter trined his Moon 3 degree
Saturn trine his Neptune/Vertex/Chiron/Valentine 0-2 degree
Sun/Cupido conjunct Union/Amor 0 degree
Sun/Cupido sextile Alma 0 degree
Saturn sextile Pluto/Pallas 0-1 degree
Neptune/Cupido opposed Jupiter 0 degree
Alma trine Jupiter 0 degree
Amor sextile Sun 0degree
Pluto sextile Moon 0 degree
NN/Vesta/Ceres/Angel sextile Eros 0 degree
NN/Vesta/Ceres/Angel conjunct his Juno/Venus 0-1 degree and Psyche 3 degree
Ceres sextile Juno/Venus 0-1 degree and Psyche 3 degree
BM Lilith/Juno sextile his Uranus 0 degree
Eros trine his NN 1 degree
Valentine trine his AC/Merc/Saturn 3 degree
Valentine sextile his Mars 3 degree
Venus opposed his Valentine 0 degree
Psyche opposed Valentine 0 degree
Vertex conjunct his DC 1 degree
Saturn trined his Vertex 1 degree
Vertex trined his Saturn 2 degree
Pluto conjunct Vesta 3 degrees

Our Vesta's are exact sextile
My Vesta pisces@17 on his Moon pisces@14 and his IC pisces@18
His Vesta Cap@17 on my Angel/Rudra@17 trine my virgo Moon@18

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posted April 01, 2014 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure our First Meeting Chart is particularly relevant, given that nothing happened for another 22 years, but here goes:

Disclaimer: We'd be here all day if I included minor aspects, but you're going to have to put up with quintiles, biquintiles, and quincunxes because I think they're important, especially when exact.

I also think it's important to look at each of the first 4 asteroids in synastry, but in the interest of time I'll exclude Pallas and Ceres. I refuse to exclude Vesta (and I probably should not exclude Ceres).

My Natal to 1st Meeting Chart:

Sun trine Saturn (1)
Sun trine Valentine (0)
Moon quintile Neptune (0)
Mercury sextile Pluto (1)
Venus sextile Pluto (0)
Mars sextile Saturn (0)
Mars square Cupido (0)
Mars sextile Valentine (1)
Jupiter opposite Cupido (0)
Saturn trine Moon (1)
Saturn trine Juno (1)
Saturn square Union (0)
Uranus sextile Jupiter (0)
Neptune biquintile Moon (0)
Neptune sextile Karma (0)
Pluto quintile Sun (0)
NN quincunx Cupido (1)
Vertex quincunx Union (0)
Chiron square Venus (1)
Chiron trine Karma (0)
Juno quincunx Moon (0)
Juno square Juno (0)
Vesta conjunct Moon (0)
Vesta trine Juno (0)
Alma square Uranus (1)
Alma quincunx Alma (0)
Psyche square Venus (1)
Psyche sextile Karma (0)
Cupido trine Jupiter (1)
Cupido trine Uranus (0)
Cupido square Chiron (0)
Cupido sextile Alma (1)
Cupido opposite Angel (1)
Valentine sextile Union (0)
Amor sextile Mars (0)
Amor conjunct Vesta (1)
Amor trine Eros (0)
Amor conjunct Psyche (0)
Amor opposite Amor (0)
Amor square Lust (0)
Lust quintile Vesta (0)
Karma sextile Sun (0)
Karma quincunx Saturn (0)
Karma conjunct Vesta (2) (okay, it's wide but it's a conjunction)
Karma conjunct Cupido (0)
Karma quincunx Valentine (0)
Union conjunct Mercury (1)
Union sextile Neptune (1)
Union trine Alma (1)
Union conjunct Angel (1)
Angel trine Saturn (1)
Angel trine Valentine (0)
Angel sextile Lust (1)
ASC square Alma (0)


His Natal to First Meeting:

Sun opposite Pluto (1)
Sun square Karma (0)
Moon sextile Mars (0)
Moon trine Jupiter (1)
Moon conjunct Eros (0)
Moon trine Psyche (1)
Moon sextile Amor (1)
Mercury trine Uranus (0)
Mercury square Chiron (1)
Mercury sextile Alma (0)
Mercury opposite Angel (0)
Venus trine Karma (0)
Mars biquintile Venus (0)
Mars square Juno (0)
Jupiter opposite Moon (1)
Jupiter sextile Juno (1)
Saturn square Sun (1)
Saturn opposite Valentine (1)
Saturn trine Lust (1)
Uranus biquintile Mercury (0)
Neptune sextile Chiron (0)
Pluto biquintile Eros (0)
Pluto square Angel (0)
NN square Vesta (0)
NN square Valentine (1)
NN opposite Lust (1)
Chiron conjunct Mars (1)
Chiron sextile Vesta (1)
Chiron sextile Eros (0)
Chiron sextile Psyche (0)
Chiron sextile Amor (0)
Juno sextile Sun (0)
Juno trine Vesta (1)
Juno trine Cupido (1)
Vesta conjunct Moon (0)
Vesta trine Juno (0)
Vesta quintile Alma (0)
Alma trine Moon (0)
Alma conjunct Juno (0)
Eros quintile Amor (0)
Eros conjunct Union (1)
Psyche sextile Sun (1)
Psyche conjunct Vesta (0)
Psyche quincunx Valentine (0)
Valentine trine Mars (0)
Valentine sextile Vesta (1)
Valentine opposite Eros (0)
Valentine sextile Psyche (0)
Valentine trine Amor (0)
Valentine quincunx Lust (0)
Amor opposite Mercury (0)
Amor trine Venus (0)
Amor trine Neptune (0)
Lust quincunx Moon (0)
Karma trine Saturn (1)
Karma trine Valentine (0)
Union opposite Jupiter (0)
Union conjunct Amor (2) (yeah, but I like it)
Angel trine Mars (0)
Angel sextile Eros (0)
Angel opposite Psyche (1)
Angel conjunct Amor (0)
Angel square Lust (1)
Angel quintile Union (0)
Vertex quintile Saturn (0)
Vertex conjunct Pluto (1)
Vertex square Karma (1)

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posted April 01, 2014 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can I venture , it's not twinflame, just a significant relationship. We have:

Exact conjunction:

Vertex conjunct my ASC
Uranus conjunct my Lust
Pluto conjunct my Neptune
Chiron conjunct my North Node
Cupido conjunct my South Node

Moon conjunct his South Node/Karma
Vertex conjunct his Eros
Psyche conjunct his Psyche
MC conjunct his North Node
Pholus conjunct his Anti-Vertex

Conjunction up to 2 degree:

Venus conjunct my Pholus
Uranus conjunct my Mars
Anti-Vertex conjunct my Pluto/Venus/Karma
Pholus conjunct my Psyche
Alma conjunct my MC
Cupido conjunct my Moon/Juno
Valentine conjunct my North Node


ASC/Eros conjunct his Saturn
IC conjunct his Karma
Mars conjunct his Mars
Neptune conjunct his Valentine
Pluto conjunct his Union
North Node conjunct his Juno
POF conjunct his POF
Pholus conjunct his Sun
Alma conjunct his Lust
Amor conjunct his IC
Karma conjunct his North Node

Other exact aspects:

IC trine my mean Lilith
Sun trine my Pluto
Sun square my Vertex
Sun sextile my ASC
Moon trine my mean Lilith
Mercury trine my Lust
Venus opposite my Mercury
Venus trine my Cupido
Mars trine my Jupiter
Jupiter trine my MC
Uranus trine my Sun/Mercury
Uranus opposite my Cupido
Neptune opposite my Union
Pluto square my Cupido and Lust
North Node square my Union
Chiron square my Sun/Mercury
Chiron opposite my Moon
Chiron trine my Venus
POF trine my Alma
POF trine my Valentine
Cupido square my Sun/Mercury
Cupido trine my Neptune
Union opposite my Alma

MC/IC square his Amor
Mercury trine his mean Lilith
Venus opposite his mean Lilith
Mars square his Moon
Saturn square his North Node
Saturn opposite his Amor
Uranus trine his mean Lilith
North Node square his Valentine
Chiron square his mean Lilith
Pholus trine his MC
Eros opposite his Amor
Psyche square his Vertex
Cupido square his mean Lilith

There are some oppositions about 1 degree that I dropped, also the ASC of the first meeting is on my Vertex but 4 degrees may be top wide.

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posted April 01, 2014 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh....Tulip!!! Omg, I owe you something! I've been so busy it totally slipped my mind! I will get that to you! I'm sorry!
forgive me?

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posted April 01, 2014 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
Oh....Tulip!!! Omg, I owe you something! I've been so busy it totally slipped my mind! I will get that to you! I'm sorry!
forgive me?

Dear Gabby , I know you're busy. It's all right, you can get to it when you have time. I see it as a gift from you, can't thank you enough for listening to me venting

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posted April 02, 2014 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo,

"S but Amor is usually on key points (Sun, ASC, DSC, Karma etc.)."
That is interesting, though it makes sense, I agree.
Was it always a conjunction?

Actually the First meeting chart`s ASC was square his AMOR pm 9 Virgo (2 minutes!)

While this does not look quite good, I find it intriguing that the fmc ASC was ALSO square his EROS on 8 Pisces (41 minutes), as he has an EROS-AMOR-opposition natally.
So basically it means that the ASC fell onto the midpoint of his EROS-AMOR on 8°42 Sagittarius, so the fmc ASC was conjunct it by 19 minutes.
PHOLUS on the ASC was conjunct his EROS/AMOR even more closely (15 minutes)

It also falls onto his Venus/Pluto-mp on 8°39 Sagittarius.
ASC = his Venus/pluto (22 minutes)
PHOLUS = his Venus/Pluto (11 minutes)


So to summarize so far he was having

ASC= AMOR/EROS=Venus/Pluto

Pholus = AMOR/EROS= Venus/Pluto

(all way under one degree)


Where it gets REALLY freaky is when you consider our nameasteroids in his chart.

Because they are layed atop of his EROS-AMOR

his name conjuncts his AMOR (1°23)
my name in his chart conjuncts his EROS (49 minutes)


so the midpoint of both names in his chart falls onto 9°48 Sagittarius, right onto his DESC-ruler Mercury (26 minutes)

and the names midpoint conjuncts first meetings ASC by 47 minutes of arc, and the PHOLUS by 20 minutes


So, we end up with

ASC and Pholus = his Venus/Pluto= his Amor/Eros= his name/my name


But it doesn´t end there, as in the first meeting chart, my name fell onto 7°53 Pisces and hence conjunct his EROS and my name in his chart (27 minutes and 1°16)


his name in the first meeting chart was on 8°12 Gemini, right on the DESC of that chart (49 minutes) and opposing PHOLUS (16 minutes)


"It kinda makes sense, I think Amor signifies that great love, the love of life."
I am always puzzled by Amor. Is it more platonic, or still romantic?

"Vesta is that place where we are very passionate, where we really "burn". "
Yes, the sacred fire.

"You must be a very passionate person, especially in love or (if that's the case) in art."
I suppose I am, though it might not be as obvious. Vesta is in Capricorn after all.


"An Aries point would say this passion must be somehow brought into the world, bring some fruits into the collective.

If meeting MrSag activated your Vesta, as I can see from the comparison, then he is at least an opportunity to start or "stoke" this fire."

this is exactly what happened. Besides anything else, I´ve reoriented myself more to the creative side again. not the internally creative one, which I used to do (writing a lot), but more so to the rather externalized one. It comes in the form of being pushed to do this theatre project course probably. At school. And as always the teacher (me) learns most. Well, I don´t feel so much as a teach3er (cause I do not have a clue really. lol), but it has a very cooperative feel to it, and spontaneous, which is a rather new approach for me. To just dive into things and let the moment`s flow decide what to do next. I always want to control things, know what is ahead at every step. But that is not possible int his kind of creative work or if it was, it would suffocate the creativity.

I have also been invited to some very intersting courses myself; first one about developing comedic scenes with pupils, and the other one having been on monday, some sort of vocal-acting training, and we actually did do all these exercises. there was not much theory. And believe me after 6 hours I was exhausted.

and yesterday a colleague of mine offered to teach us a little bit of juggling and it was quite fun actually.

Well as of now I am just trying things out, without really striving for any kind of "product", the result being just the trying out.
my pupils seem to like it. and this course gives us more freedom than we usually have at school, so we are going to use that freedom to just try things, to find out what works and what doesn´t.

I am pretty sure Mr Sag`s influence has a bit to do with that chang ein attitude.


BTW while I have

VESTA = Sun/Venus (20 minutes)


he has

VESTA = Sun/Mars (1°02)

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posted April 02, 2014 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok! I'm only using conjunctions/oppositions

First Meeting (FM) - ME

EXACT
Moon conjunct Cupido
Mercury conjunct Lilith
POF opposite Juno
POF opposite Valentine
Vertex conjunct Lilith
Pholus opposite Psyche
Alma opposite Moon
Alma opposite Eros
Cupido conjunct Pluto
Amor conjunct Cupido
ASC conjunct Chiron

1-2 degrees
Pluto conjunct Uranus
NN conjunct Juno
NN conjunct Valentine
Vertex conjunct Lilith
Lilith opposite Lilith
Juno conjunct Alma
Alma opposite Jupiter
Cupido conjunct POF
ASC opposite Destinn


FM - HIM

EXACT
Mercury conjunct SN
Uranus conjunct Sun
Neptune opposite Valentine
PF opposite Mars
Vertex conjunct SN
DSC conjunct Moon
Jupiter conjunct NN

1-2
Sun conjunct Eros
Moon opposite Destinn
Venus opposite Chiron
Venus opposite Lust
Neptune conjunct MC
Pluto conjunct Jupiter
Pluto conjunct DSC
NN conjunct Mars
POF conjunct Chiron
POF conjunct Lust
Lilith opposite Uranus
Lilith conjunct NN
Juno conjunct Neptune
Juno conjunct Eros
Cupido conjunct Saturn
Valentine conjunct Lilith
Amor opposite Destinn
Union opposite Valentine
Union conjunct MC

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posted April 02, 2014 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so I am back with the conjunctions and oppositions of that meeting to his chart (I did not bother with other aspects cause they seem to obscure the picture. lol)

oh and FMC-planets first

Exact conjunctions/ oppositions
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ASC conjunct Mercury, DESC ruler (21 minutes)
PHOLUS conjunct Mercury (54 minutes)

IC conjunct CERES (55 minutes)

Mercury opposite Neptune (30 minutes)
Mercury opposite CUPIDO (42 minutes)

saturn conjunct NN (39 minutes)

Uranus conjunct PHOLUS (55 minutes)

Neptune conjunct PALLAS (5 minutes)
Neptune conjunct PSYCHE (58 minutes)

JUNO conjunct Sun (30 minutes)

UNION opposite Uranus (2 minutes)

AMOR conjunct Chiron (2 minutes)

ALMA conjunct SN (48 minutes)

APHRODITE opposite Jupiter (19 minutes)
APHRODITE opposite AMOR (47 minutes)

CUPIDO conjunct ALMA (18 minutes)

wider orbed conjunctions
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Moon conjunct Sun (4°58)
Moon conjunct Moon (3°15)
Moon conjunct MC (3°51)
Moon opposite ALMA (1°21)
Pluto conjunct Sun (3°35)
Pluto conjunct Moon (1°54)
Pluto conjunct MC (2°28)
Pluto opposite ALMA (2°44)
JUNO conjunct Moon (2°11)
JUNO conjunct MC (1°37)
Jupiter conjunct Venus (3°50)

Uranus conjunct ASC (2°53)

NN conjunct PALLAS (2°30)
Nn conjunct PSYCHE (3°23)

PALLAS conjunct VESTA (2°05)

VALENTINE opposite VALENTINE (1°51)

ALMA conjunct Avx (2°16)
ALMA opposite APHRODITE (1°40)

APHRODITE opposite Mars (1°15)
APHRODITE conjunct EROS (1°30)

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Ceri,

Not just conjunctions, also oppositions, squares - but now since you ask... I realize most of them, almost like 80% HARD aspects.

Amor means Love with a big L in Latin and all latin languages, romantic, absolute love combining Eros Agape Storge and Philia. Love between lovers

It's not sacrificial per se, it's the one we want to live fully, our greatest love in this life. And I think we should interpret it like this too, in the charts - Amore, amore - the cuore - as the Italians say.

Hahahahahaha juggling is soooo fun I've tried it to, I find it so Sagittarius BTW

Wow about that Vesta being on your male/female archetype midpoints. Vesta is definitely something big for you, and something between you two. Do you like fire?

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quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[Always game (I am using those only you mentioned)

oh and I excluded sextiles


exact conjunctions

- Moon conjunct my VESTA exact (33 minutes)
- Pluto conjunct my VESTA (50 minutes)
- ASC conjunct my Neptune exact (55 minutes)
- Jupiter conjunct my AVX (37 minutes)
- Neptune conjunct my mean Lilith (14 Minutes)
- Neptune conjunct my PSYCHE (13 miutes)
- mean LILITH conjunct my Mars (24 minutes)
- JUNO conjunct my Sun (31 minutes)
- PHOLUS conjunct my LUST (45 minutes)
- EROS conjunct my KAALI (15 minutes)

other conjunctions within 2 degrees appr.
- ASC conjunct my NN (1°08)
- ASC conjunct my ASC (2°00)
- ASC conjunct my LUST (1°18)
- MC conjunct my Pluto (1°08)
- IC conjunct my ALMA (1°12)
- Vx conjunct my Vx (2°12)

- Vx conjunct my EROS (2°40)
- mean Lilith conjunct my ASC (2°15)
- JUNO conjunct my Mercury (1.24)
- PHOLUS conjunct my ASC (1.27)
- PHOLUS conjunct my Neptune (1.26)
- PHOLUS conjunct my NN (1.42)

- LUST conjunct my VALENTINE (2.01)

other exact aspects
- IC trine my LUST exact (13 minutes)
- Sun opposite my AMOR exact (4 minutes)
- Moon sextile my Uranus exact (34 minutes)
- ASC sextile my Pluto exact (4 minutes)
- Venus opposite my VALENTINE (9 minutes)

- Mars trine my ASC (3 minutes)
- Mars trine my LUST (39 minutes)
- Mars trine my ALMA (20 minutes)
- Saturn trine my VESTA (39 minutes)
- Saturn square my AMOR (7 minute)
- Uranus trine my Vx (41 minutes)
- PALLAS trine my VESTA (27 minutes)
- PALLAS opposite my Uranus (26 minutes)
- ALMA trine my Uranus (47 minutes)
- PSYCHE trine my Saturn (57 minutes)
- PSYCHE trine my JUNO (58 minutes)
- VALENTINE square my Moon (38 minutes)

additionally:

- Jupiter opposite my EROS (1°03)
- Uranus trine my EROS (1°10)

some relevant midpoints:


I'll bold the ones I've found most often in my database comparisons

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Leeloo,

"just conjunctions, also oppositions, squares - but now since you ask... I realize most of them, almost like 80% HARD aspects."
On the one hand I am surprised, on the other hand not at all.
I am still pondering about the specific characteristics of squares especailly.

But one perspective on them is that they provide the energy, the motor, MUCHO energy, and if it is negative or positive actually depends on the planets involved. So a square with Amor might actually not be that bad, unless with SAturn I suppose. lol


"Amor means Love with a big L in Latin and all latin languages"
Yes, exactly.
But it seems to be interpreted almost platonically, if you read up ont he asteroids. However let us not forget the story we love most was actually titled AMOR and Psyche. lol

Also the discovery chart of Amor.
Well, Sun is in Pisces, like in Psyche`s discovery chart. (in eros discovery chart it is in Leo, in Cupido`s it is in LIbra, just like in Aphrodites disc. chart as well. I find that SOOO fitting. lol)

in the Amor-discovery chart Moon and Venus are in Taurus - so I guess that is pretty sensual after all!

Sun, ERos and Mars in Pisces, but Eros and Mars conjunct.

Moon conjunct Chiron

BTW in our composite Amor isi exactly conjunct the NN in Libra, and I simply adore that aspect. lol

"Hahahahahaha juggling is soooo fun I've tried it to, I find it so Sagittarius BTW "
LOL Then it must be the right thing to do.
It was fun, and calming, too.

"Vesta is definitely something big for you, and something between you two."
Yes, I think so.


Actually we have a GT in Earth.

His NN on 1 Virgo trine his VESTA on 3 Taurus trine my VESTA on 1 Capricorn. And his ALMA on 3 Cancer is opposite my VESTA. Well it is a KITE. lol

On the first meeting chart 3 of these points were directly triggered.

Moon-Pluto falling onto my VESTA exactly and opposing his ALMA
Saturn falling onto his NN exactly

"Do you like fire?"
I am fascinated by it. But at he same time also scared of it. Would not go to near to it. But there is something hypnotic about it as well.

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Gabby,

Me to the 1st meeting chart.....
Sun trined my Eros/Valentine/IC 0-1 degree
Sun opposed my Juno 2 degree
Sun on my Osiris 0 degree
Jupiter opposed my Eros/Valentine/IC 0-1 degree
Pluto conjunct my Eros/Valentine/IC 2-3 degree
Mars trine Mars 2 degree
Mercury and Moon trine my Venus 0-2 degree
Venus/Psyche exact conjunct and sextile my NN 2-3 degree
Saturn conjunct my NN 1 degree
Uranus on my DC 0 degree

Uranus opposed my Pluto 1 degree
NN trine my Mars 0 degree
NN/Vesta/Ceres/Angel conjunct 0-2 degree and on my Akashi/Qumran/Kaali 0-2.5 degree, trine my Mars 0-2 degrees
Anti-Vertex on my Sun/Merc 0 degree
Eros trined my Chiron 0 degree
Juno trined my Aura/Gaea 0 degree
Valentine sextile my Neptune trined my Pluto 2 degree
Valentine trine my AC 0 degree
Vertex opposed my Sun/Merc 0 degree
Vertex trined my Saturn 0 degree
Saturn inconjunct my Vertex 2 degree
Moon sextile Vertex 2 degree
Eros trine Vertex 2.5 degre
Chiron conjunct Vesta 2 degree


For him...
Sun conjunct his Moon/Osiris 2-3 degree
Moon sextile his NN 2 degree
Venus/Psyche trined his Pluto/Uranus/Pallas 0-3 degree
Venus/Psyche sextile Neptune 0 degree
Mars on his SN 1 degree
Eros trined his NN 0 degree
Jupiter trined his Moon 3 degree
Saturn trine his Neptune/Vertex/Chiron/Valentine 0-2 degree
Sun/Cupido conjunct Union/Amor 0 degree
Sun/Cupido sextile Alma 0 degree
Saturn sextile Pluto/Pallas 0-1 degree
Neptune/Cupido opposed Jupiter 0 degree
Alma trine Jupiter 0 degree
Amor sextile Sun 0degree
Pluto sextile Moon 0 degree
NN/Vesta/Ceres/Angel sextile Eros 0 degree
NN/Vesta/Ceres/Angel conjunct his Juno/Venus 0-1 degree and Psyche 3 degree
Ceres sextile Juno/Venus 0-1 degree and Psyche 3 degree

BM Lilith/Juno sextile his Uranus 0 degree
Eros trine his NN 1 degree
Valentine trine his AC/Merc/Saturn 3 degree
Valentine sextile his Mars 3 degree
Venus opposed his Valentine 0 degree
Psyche opposed Valentine 0 degree
Vertex conjunct his DC 1 degree
Saturn trined his Vertex 1 degree
Vertex trined his Saturn 2 degree
Pluto conjunct Vesta 3 degrees

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Delilah, you have a lot of soft aspects, maybe that's why it took 22 years

Still:

My Natal to 1st Meeting Chart:

Sun trine Saturn (1)
Sun trine Valentine (0)
Moon quintile Neptune (0)
Mercury sextile Pluto (1)
Venus sextile Pluto (0)
Mars sextile Saturn (0)
Mars square Cupido (0)
Mars sextile Valentine (1)
Jupiter opposite Cupido (0)
Saturn trine Moon (1)
Saturn trine Juno (1)
Saturn square Union (0)
Uranus sextile Jupiter (0)
Neptune biquintile Moon (0)
Neptune sextile Karma (0)
Pluto quintile Sun (0)
NN quincunx Cupido (1)
Vertex quincunx Union (0)
Chiron square Venus (1)
Chiron trine Karma (0)
Juno quincunx Moon (0)
Juno square Juno (0)
Vesta conjunct Moon (0)
Vesta trine Juno (0)
Alma square Uranus (1)
Alma quincunx Alma (0)

Psyche square Venus (1)
Psyche sextile Karma (0)
Cupido trine Jupiter (1)
Cupido trine Uranus (0)
Cupido square Chiron (0)
Cupido sextile Alma (1)
Cupido opposite Angel (1)
Valentine sextile Union (0)
Amor sextile Mars (0)
Amor conjunct Vesta (1)
Amor trine Eros (0)
Amor conjunct Psyche (0)
Amor opposite Amor (0)
Amor square Lust (0)
Lust quintile Vesta (0)
Karma sextile Sun (0)
Karma quincunx Saturn (0)
Karma conjunct Vesta (2) (okay, it's wide but it's a conjunction)
Karma conjunct Cupido (0)
Karma quincunx Valentine (0)
Union conjunct Mercury (1)
Union sextile Neptune (1)
Union trine Alma (1)
Union conjunct Angel (1)
Angel trine Saturn (1)
Angel trine Valentine (0)
Angel sextile Lust (1)
ASC square Alma (0)


His Natal to First Meeting:

Sun opposite Pluto (1)
Sun square Karma (0)

Moon sextile Mars (0)
Moon trine Jupiter (1)
Moon conjunct Eros (0)
Moon trine Psyche (1)
Moon sextile Amor (1)
Mercury trine Uranus (0)
Mercury square Chiron (1)
Mercury sextile Alma (0)
Mercury opposite Angel (0)
Venus trine Karma (0)
Mars biquintile Venus (0)
Mars square Juno (0)
Jupiter opposite Moon (1)
Jupiter sextile Juno (1)
Saturn square Sun (1)
Saturn opposite Valentine (1)

Saturn trine Lust (1)
Uranus biquintile Mercury (0)
Neptune sextile Chiron (0)
Pluto biquintile Eros (0)
Pluto square Angel (0)
NN square Vesta (0)
NN square Valentine (1)
NN opposite Lust (1)
Chiron conjunct Mars (1)
Chiron sextile Vesta (1)
Chiron sextile Eros (0)
Chiron sextile Psyche (0)
Chiron sextile Amor (0)
Juno sextile Sun (0)
Juno trine Vesta (1)
Juno trine Cupido (1)
Vesta conjunct Moon (0)
Vesta trine Juno (0)
Vesta quintile Alma (0)
Alma trine Moon (0)
Alma conjunct Juno (0)
Eros quintile Amor (0)
Eros conjunct Union (1)
Psyche sextile Sun (1)
Psyche conjunct Vesta (0)
Psyche quincunx Valentine (0)
Valentine trine Mars (0)
Valentine sextile Vesta (1)
Valentine opposite Eros (0)
Valentine sextile Psyche (0)
Valentine trine Amor (0)

Valentine quincunx Lust (0)
Amor opposite Mercury (0)
Amor trine Venus (0)
Amor trine Neptune (0)

Lust quincunx Moon (0)
Karma trine Saturn (1)
Karma trine Valentine (0)
Union opposite Jupiter (0)
Union conjunct Amor (2) (yeah, but I like it)
Angel trine Mars (0)
Angel sextile Eros (0)
Angel opposite Psyche (1)
Angel conjunct Amor (0)
Angel square Lust (1)
Angel quintile Union (0)
Vertex quintile Saturn (0)
Vertex conjunct Pluto (1)
Vertex square Karma (1)

He seems to be much more affected by the meeting. Is it true?

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quote:
Originally posted by Tulipe:
Can I venture , it's not twinflame, just a significant relationship. We have:

[b]Exact conjunction:

Vertex conjunct my ASC
Uranus conjunct my Lust
Pluto conjunct my Neptune
Chiron conjunct my North Node
Cupido conjunct my South Node

Moon conjunct his South Node/Karma
Vertex conjunct his Eros
Psyche conjunct his Psyche
MC conjunct his North Node
Pholus conjunct his Anti-Vertex

Conjunction up to 2 degree:

Venus conjunct my Pholus
Uranus conjunct my Mars
Anti-Vertex conjunct my Pluto/Venus/Karma
Pholus conjunct my Psyche
Alma conjunct my MC
Cupido conjunct my Moon/Juno
Valentine conjunct my North Node


ASC/Eros conjunct his Saturn
IC conjunct his Karma
Mars conjunct his Mars
Neptune conjunct his Valentine
Pluto conjunct his Union
North Node conjunct his Juno
POF conjunct his POF
Pholus conjunct his Sun
Alma conjunct his Lust
Amor conjunct his IC
Karma conjunct his North Node

Other exact aspects:

IC trine my mean Lilith
Sun trine my Pluto
Sun square my Vertex
Sun sextile my ASC
Moon trine my mean Lilith
Mercury trine my Lust
Venus opposite my Mercury
Venus trine my Cupido
Mars trine my Jupiter
Jupiter trine my MC
Uranus trine my Sun/Mercury
Uranus opposite my Cupido
Neptune opposite my Union
Pluto square my Cupido and Lust
North Node square my Union
Chiron square my Sun/Mercury
Chiron opposite my Moon
Chiron trine my Venus
POF trine my Alma
POF trine my Valentine
Cupido square my Sun/Mercury
Cupido trine my Neptune
Union opposite my Alma

MC/IC square his Amor
Mercury trine his mean Lilith
Venus opposite his mean Lilith
Mars square his Moon
Saturn square his North Node
Saturn opposite his Amor
Uranus trine his mean Lilith
North Node square his Valentine
Chiron square his mean Lilith
Pholus trine his MC
Eros opposite his Amor
Psyche square his Vertex
Cupido square his mean Lilith

There are some oppositions about 1 degree that I dropped, also the ASC of the first meeting is on my Vertex but 4 degrees may be top wide.


[/B]


Almost everything points to a significant, romantic, soulmate meeting in your case, Tulipe

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Selene,

First Meeting (FM) - ME

EXACT
Moon conjunct Cupido
Mercury conjunct Lilith
POF opposite Juno
POF opposite Valentine
Vertex conjunct Lilith
Pholus opposite Psyche
Alma opposite Moon
Alma opposite Eros
Cupido conjunct Pluto
Amor conjunct Cupido
ASC conjunct Chiron

1-2 degrees
Pluto conjunct Uranus
NN conjunct Juno
NN conjunct Valentine

Vertex conjunct Lilith
Lilith opposite Lilith
Juno conjunct Alma
Alma opposite Jupiter
Cupido conjunct POF
ASC opposite Destinn


FM - HIM

EXACT
Mercury conjunct SN
Uranus conjunct Sun
Neptune opposite Valentine

PF opposite Mars
Vertex conjunct SN
DSC conjunct Moon
Jupiter conjunct NN

1-2
Sun conjunct Eros
Moon opposite Destinn
Venus opposite Chiron
Venus opposite Lust
Neptune conjunct MC
Pluto conjunct Jupiter
Pluto conjunct DSC
NN conjunct Mars
POF conjunct Chiron
POF conjunct Lust
Lilith opposite Uranus
Lilith conjunct NN
Juno conjunct Neptune
Juno conjunct Eros
Cupido conjunct Saturn
Valentine conjunct Lilith
Amor opposite Destinn
Union opposite Valentine
Union conjunct MC

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All the FM you posted, all of you, seem very strongly activated, especially on the ASC/DSC. Nodes, Pholus (as expected). Juno is a repetitive theme, as I see. Great FM charts!

I compared some FM with the tropical/draconic composite and the connections are mind-blowing between angles, love planets and love/karmic asteroids. You should check it yourself.

Looking forward for more examples and thank you all for posting!

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For you, Ceri (although you probably know it)

Vesta in Synastry: The Sacred Fire in Relationships
October 30, 2013 by Nadia Gilchrist 23

Vesta/planet contacts in synastry are often overlooked. This asteroid is named after the virginal goddess of the hearth fire, and gets lost in the rush to find juicier interaspects. But don’t let the word “virginal” throw you off. Vesta can be as intense as Pluto (she is sometimes described as a blend of Virgo and Scorpio). The book “Asteroid Goddesses”, by Demetra George and Douglas Bloch, describes Vesta’s fascinating mythology. In patriarchal Rome, the sacred flame in her temple was tended by young women who took vows of chastity. If the flame went out, they were whipped. If they broke their vows, they were buried alive. Before patriarchal culture took hold, the vestal virgins served the Mother Goddess and were “…sacred harlots who sexually gave of themselves to strangers – men who came to the temple to honor the goddess and partake of the sacred union.”

Natal Vesta symbolizes the area of your life where you can devote yourself with fervor. She is associated with the sublimation of sexual energy into other activity, but she also represents sexual devotion and purity. Vesta holds the potential for sacred sex: intimacy that is physical and spiritual, and that goes beyond personal satisfaction. As you can imagine, when your Vesta is contacted by a person’s planet(s) or angles, the connection is complex and profound.

Absolute Devotion

If someone’s planet or angle (cusp of their 1st, 4th, 7th or 10th House) aspects your Vesta, they are touching a sacred part of you. They are standing at the threshold of your temple, asking to be let in. For example, if you have natal Vesta in your 4th House of home and family, these things will be sacred to you. You’re not going to move in with just anyone, and if you decide to let someone share your space, they had better honor your house rules. If you meet someone whose Venus conjuncts your 4th House Vesta, what the Venus person takes pleasure in (and how they express love) will fit into your sacred space. Unless there’s some other, seriously disruptive synastry contacts between the two of you, you’ll be drawn to live with them.

You’ll also feel an unusual amount of devotion to the Venus person that will be expressed according to the sign your Vesta is in. Vesta in Libra will place an emphasis on give-and-take, but you may end up sacrificing your desires (including your sexual desires) to make the Venus person happy. There’s always a risk that Libra will do this anyway, but when the energy of religious dedication is added, everything is bumped up a notch. However, it all hinges on how you deal with Vesta. Depending on what messages you absorbed about sex when you were growing up, intimacy with the Venus person can be a beautiful exchange of nurturing that is used to strengthen your domestic bond. Vesta sex always has a purpose that goes beyond pleasure.

The Heat of Limits

Natal Vesta is also where you experience limits. If you think about the hearth fire she represents, that fire needs to be contained in order to burn effectively. The limitations are part of Vesta’s agenda to teach absolute focus. When someone activates your Vesta, they will be emphasizing those limits. For example, if your 3rd House (communication) Vesta conjuncts your partner’s 10th House cusp, your partner’s career may highlight your difficulties with being heard. Maybe you sideline your ambitions to devote yourself to your partner’s growing career. But as you are faced with the scrutiny of others, you are compelled to clarify your ideas. What do you stand for, and why are you doing this? Aren’t your ideas just as worthwhile as your partner’s?

If you have Vesta in your 8th House (intimacy and shared resources) square your partner’s Saturn, you may end up sacrificing both money and sexual satisfaction to the Saturn person (who calls the shots). An 8th House Vesta suggests certain sexual needs that are difficult to fulfill, and if they are habitually denied by your lover, you become focused on what you can’t have. And then (hopefully) you find a way to meet them.

Perhaps you have difficulties sharing money and power. Getting involved with someone to whom you end up giving both to will certainly teach you about sharing. When someone activates your Vesta limits, they are helping you become a master in that area.

Denial

Sometimes Vesta can deny access to the planet person. Let’s say you have Vesta in your 5th House of self-expression and romance. You’re devoted to your art; it’s not just a hobby, or a way for you to show off. You get involved with someone whose Mars (energy and initiative) opposes your Vesta. There’s sizzle between you, and initially you open yourself up to them (they fire your romantic ideals). But maybe their approach is a bit too aggressive. Or maybe they inadvertently say something that steps on your artistic toes. It won’t take much, because Vesta is ultra-sensitive, and their natural way of taking action (Mars) is at odds with your devotion. Depending on the other synastry connections, you may deny them sexual access, or cut them out of your life completely. Vesta can be ruthless when she’s offended. Meanwhile, the Mars person is probably clueless as to what happened. When your Vesta is activated, you must be aware of the balance between honoring what’s sacred to you, and cutting people off. The planet person must be aware that they are entering your sacred domain. It’s an honor if you allow them in.

Natal Vesta is the flame in your chart: the fire of higher purpose, focus and fanatical devotion. When she is contacted in synastry, the planet person can open this area up, or shut it down. If you let someone in, be aware of Vesta’s inclination to extremes (absolute sacrifice or complete withdrawal). She wants you to give, but not in a way that depletes her fire. She needs to be guarded, but not cut off.

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What are your thoughts about this First Meeting Chart?

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Any thoughts on this chart?

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