posted December 30, 2016 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Did you maybe mean the SUN being conjunct Mercury? Cause that I can see, too.

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ah, i mixed up things. okay. i think i am too stressed (tax declaration ) and confused right now

sorry for the confusion i created.

i will keep you updated. i am curious as well. the first horary i really tried for myself. but you might be right: i pulled and asked others to pull cards and they said yes.
but the horary says no and i do know that you are an awesome astrologer, so i am really curious what the future says

posted December 30, 2016 09:24 AM            

Well it is a late-ASC-rising horary, so almost seems like the question is obsolete already (maybe you know the answer?).

Well Moon IS applying to sextile Venus, which rules his 3rd house - you might not meet face to face, but might HEAR from him. As was the question you posed anyway.

I was also thinking well, you said he approached you on FRIENDLY terms, if we consider him a FRIEND (instead of partner or ex-lover or love interest) then maybe the 11th house is really applicable for his significator. So he would be Sun, and your significator is Mercury, and you both are applying to each other, for you it might mean "re-considering" or returning or keeping up a contact you thought were dead and gone, but mostly in terms of friendship (as we used the significator of 11th house for him now).

I find that horary a bit tricky to be honest.
If contact happens, I guess it might happen in a timeframe of `2`, 2 days, weeks or months.

if he is signified by 7th house, then a direct meeting might not happen at all, but you might actually hear from him, also in a time unit of 2 (Moon sextiles Venus by 2 degrees, too).

the orb is actually quite consistent, the `2`-degrees coming up no matter how we look at that chart. So I am really curious now.

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I still feel suspicious about the late ASC-degree.

And putting the analytical stuff aside, my gut instinct looking at this horary sais that something will change, and only after that change happens, the question can be answered.

posted December 30, 2016 09:45 AM            

Yes, I mean the whole situation is tricky. I asked the q for practice and had pulled cards already. We were just dating a bit and i was not at all nice to him...and nonetheless we stayed in contact for a long time. Then we lost contact, met again, now he is taken and i am really happy for him and so i wished all the best, apologized and wished him a good life. I thought it was clear that I said goodbye forever but he contacted me again on friendly terms.
So yes maybe we will stay in touch on christmas cards terms and no face to face meeting at all or something more will happen.
Whatever, my tax declaration is far more important to me right now

posted January 01, 2017 05:07 AM            

Feedback:

posted January 01, 2017 06:05 AM            

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
Sooo.... This is a different chart.

Moon and Mercury is still peregrine. Mercury retrograde and combust as well.

I will go for a yes, within 1 week.
Moon applying to Venus.

Please keep me updated whether this communication will happen. I am learning as well. .

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you were right

posted January 01, 2017 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
First of all: Happy New Year!
Hope you guys will experience a wonderful new year

Feedback:

You all were right, he did contact me.
And Ceri: within 2 days, exactly as you predicted!
And Erickaf: yes, it was on friendly terms, he wanted to have a harmonious chat. He did contact me for New Years Eve, however, he continued to chat with me like some buddy

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posted January 01, 2017 09:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:

You all were right, he did contact me.
And Ceri: within 2 days, exactly as you predicted!

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Wow! So it worked AGAIN?

I`ve noticed some years ago, that while i feel rather uncertain about horaries, it seems that the timeframes are often very exact. Not always I think, but I remember that I once casted 2 or 3 horaries about when seeing P again, and despite nothing having been scheduled, the horaries spelt it out down to a day or two at times!
Well I was sure this was coincidental, but still its rather intriguing how this seems to work, pretty reliably.

posted January 01, 2017 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
you were right

why did you go for a yes despite mercury combust and rx? because of moon applying to venus? Does moon to venus cancel out bad mercury aspects?

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Not necessarily.
Mercury rx is not always bad, btw (I am still trying to figure out the combustion in horary; well I noticed in natal charts or synastry combustion does NOT work as anyone tells you it should, in fact in natals and synastry it seems to extracharge the planet tied to the Sun, but I disgress, horaries work to different rules probably).

Mercury rx here makes a lot of sense as this is someone you knew before, so there is a "return", which is what RX signifies.

Here I suspect the Moon sextle Venus was showing what was going to happen, for first of all Moon is "the course of events" and the next aspect to a traditional planet is usually WHAT happenes.

Here in this case Venus rules HIS 3rd house, which of course is the house of communication/ contact.

So that might be why.

And of course if he was signified by the 11th house really, your significator was moving back to his significator.

Usually I would have interpreted it as the contact coming from you, but maybe it could also simply mean that he returned into your thoughts and you were open to a friendly contact.

But the first possibility with Venus ruling his 3rd house and him being signified by 7th house, Jupiter in Libra (hence interested in Venus anyway, so he was interested in his own 3rd house, contact and communication).

posted January 01, 2017 09:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wow! So it worked AGAIN?

I`ve noticed some years ago, that while i feel rather uncertain about horaries, it seems that the timeframes are often very exact. Not always I think, but I remember that I once casted 2 or 3 horaries about when seeing P again, and despite nothing having been scheduled, the horaries spelt it out down to a day or two at times!
Well I was sure this was coincidental, but still its rather intriguing how this seems to work, pretty reliably.

Maybe in your case the late rising degree meant you already knew the answer, as you somehow knew he WOULD contact you?

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you uncertain about horaries? Highly unlikely, you are my little astro genius (along with leeloo ) . maybe you need to trust your guts more on horary?

i am really absolutely fascinated about the correction prediction of the time frame! wow! i think i am getting addicted to horary.

wow, never thought horary could be that precise!

and all of you were correct: if yes or no and even about the time frame. wow

yes, i knew he would contact me, that was what my guts were telling me. i am pretty sure he will again contact me one day. however, i am not sure when. after he insisted on a chat last night, i asked if he will contact me this month again. when you look at the degrees it might take a couple of weeks, don't you think?
(q was asked at 4:18 am CET tonight in Frankfurt/Main)

posted January 01, 2017 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Not necessarily.
Mercury rx is not always bad, btw (I am still trying to figure out the combustion in horary; well I noticed in natal charts or synastry combustion does NOT work as anyone tells you it should, in fact in natals and synastry it seems to extracharge the planet tied to the Sun, but I disgress, horaries work to different rules probably).

Mercury rx here makes a lot of sense as this is someone you knew before, so there is a "return", which is what RX signifies.

Here I suspect the Moon sextle Venus was showing what was going to happen, for first of all Moon is "the course of events" and the next aspect to a traditional planet is usually WHAT happenes.

Here in this case Venus rules HIS 3rd house, which of course is the house of communication/ contact.

So that might be why.

And of course if he was signified by the 11th house really, your significator was moving back to his significator.

Usually I would have interpreted it as the contact coming from you, but maybe it could also simply mean that he returned into your thoughts and you were open to a friendly contact.

But the first possibility with Venus ruling his 3rd house and him being signified by 7th house, Jupiter in Libra (hence interested in Venus anyway, so he was interested in his own 3rd house, contact and communication).

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ah, mercury rx, contact with someone from the past. makes sense

hmm...not really, i feel friendly and would probably always reply to a nice hello but not far more than that, i mean, i see no sense in chatting with him, he is my past, i am not going to ever initiate contact

maybe, since all happens on friendly buddy terms we need to focus on the 11h only?

yeah, he was interested in contact and communication since whenever i said "ok then goodbye" he asked another q.

posted January 01, 2017 09:42 AM            

Question:
Will P contact me and if so when? (well maybe let`s change it to: will there be contact?)

What completely amazes me is that despite me having had no clue about it before, my natal Sun-Mercury-conjunction ends up EXACTLY on the DESC of that horary.

I astrology!

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My guess is: 2 days (or 2nd january) or even 2 weeks. lol

that is if it shall happen of course.

I think it`s a bit up in the air with that horary, as my significator is not directly aspected.
However Moon is positively aspecting both his significator and the significator of his 3rd house (always use traditional rulership in horaries), and actually his main significator and his 3rd house ruler are exactly sextile. (he might be vaguely interested in contact or at least considering it a not too unlikely option eventually. lol)

Well we`ll see, maybe I was not serious enough about that horary anyway and just using it as exercise.

posted January 01, 2017 10:02 AM            

What do you mean about 2 weeks?
I only said that cause it is a timeframe of 2, could be 2 months of course, too. Don`t think it is 2 years though. lol
Heck could even be 2 hours, which I think is rather unlikely.

posted January 01, 2017 10:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

What do you mean about 2 weeks?
I only said that cause it is a timeframe of 2, could be 2 months of course, too. Don`t think it is 2 years though. lol
Heck could even be 2 hours, which I think is rather unlikely.

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i think he will with mercury sextile mars and sitting in the 7h-

posted January 01, 2017 10:24 AM            

Mercury is retrograde, so pulling back from Mars. And Mars does not rule any house that pertains to the question (it rules my 6th and 11th house).
But most importantly there is no applying aspect to Mars.

I saw the timeframe of 2, because the next aspect tha Moon makes will be a trine to Jupiter, which is his main significator, and a sextile to Saturn, which is the significator of his 3rd house - both have an orb of 2 degrees.

Interestingly Moon is ruled by Saturn, just as my significator is ruled by Saturn, so both - me as well as the events taking place are strongly related and interested in whatever Saturn represents.
Here in this instance this is his 3rd house.
interestingly his main significator is in Libra, where Saturn is exalted.
so he seems to be quite interested in whatever Saturn represents, too. Maybe he is doing some thinking.

But well we`ll see.

posted January 01, 2017 10:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hmm, no the MErcury-Mars-sextile is not applicable here I think.

Mercury is retrograde, so pulling back from Mars. And Mars does not rule any house that pertains to the question (it rules my 6th and 11th house).
But most importantly there is no applying aspect to Mars.

I saw the timeframe of 2, because the next aspect tha Moon makes will be a trine to Jupiter, which is his main significator, and a sextile to Saturn, which is the significator of his 3rd house - both have an orb of 2 degrees.

Interestingly Moon is ruled by Saturn, just as my significator is ruled by Saturn, so both - me as well as the events taking place are strongly related and interested in whatever Saturn represents.
Here in this instance this is his 3rd house.
interestingly his main significator is in Libra, where Saturn is exalted.
so he seems to be quite interested in whatever Saturn represents, too. Maybe he is doing some thinking.

But well we`ll see.

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wow, you are good. again i learn a lot from you

btw. did you know that the 2 of us have your vertex conjunct my asc?

posted January 01, 2017 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
you uncertain about horaries? Highly unlikely, you are my little astro genius (along with leeloo ) . maybe you need to trust your guts more on horary?

i am really absolutely fascinated about the correction prediction of the time frame! wow! i think i am getting addicted to horary.

wow, never thought horary could be that precise!

and all of you were correct: if yes or no and even about the time frame. wow

yes, i knew he would contact me, that was what my guts were telling me. i am pretty sure he will again contact me one day. however, i am not sure when. after he insisted on a chat last night, i asked if he will contact me this month again. when you look at the degrees it might take a couple of weeks, don't you think?
(q was asked at 4:18 am CET tonight in Frankfurt/Main)

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I am fascinated, too!
Though honestly I think it was just a lucky guess from my side.

This new chart is tricky again for me.

I`ll tell you why.

his main significator Venus is almost switching signs, and does - not yet- have any direct contact to your main significator Mars.

As it is now Venus is ruled by Saturn, so he seems to be interested in whatever Saturn represents, and Saturn rules your 3rd house.

His 3rd house is signified by Moon and this Moon is ruled by Saturn as well and falls into your 3rd house - but intercepted.

He might be quite interested in a new contact, but maybe there is going to be something hidden about it? Something not visible from first glance.

Moon`s next aspect are a trine to Jupiter and a sextile to Saturn.

The Moon-Saturn-sextile would represent a connection between both 3rd house rulers, but neither is aspecting either of your main significators, so that is at least surprising to me.

Also Moon will be first trine Jupiter, and then sextile Saturn.
Jupiter rules your 4th house with your main signifcators sitting on the cusp. 4th house often can signify the end of matters, and I wonder if you might maybe decide that you donīt want any further contact, but decide it amicably of course with the Jupiter-trine, before he contacts you again.

Alternatively of course it could be a third person bringing you in contact again. or something else related to that Jupiter.

If the contact happens, I`d say possibly within 8 days (as Moon is having a 8 degree orb of sextile Saturn - and he is going to contact you).

Interestingly even if we use the 11th house for him, as a friend, he is still going to be signified by Venus in Aquarius, ruled by Saturn. (BTW sometimes Saturn also comes up for an ex-partner, so he might be really interested in maintaining contact with you. I am not alltogether sure how purely platonic he feels about that though. Maybe I am wrong, but it just seems he is a tad too interested, but I guess respectful enough. And maybe he really is just intersted in a sporadic contact with you.)

posted January 01, 2017 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I am fascinated, too!
Though honestly I think it was just a lucky guess from my side.

This new chart is tricky again for me.

I`ll tell you why.

his main significator Venus is almost switching signs, and does - not yet- have any direct contact to your main significator Mars.

As it is now Venus is ruled by Saturn, so he seems to be interested in whatever Saturn represents, and Saturn rules your 3rd house.

His 3rd house is signified by Moon and this Moon is ruled by Saturn as well and falls into your 3rd house - but intercepted.

He might be quite interested in a new contact, but maybe there is going to be something hidden about it? Something not visible from first glance.

Moon`s next aspect are a trine to Jupiter and a sextile to Saturn.

The Moon-Saturn-sextile would represent a connection between both 3rd house rulers, but neither is aspecting either of your main significators, so that is at least surprising to me.

Also Moon will be first trine Jupiter, and then sextile Saturn.
Jupiter rules your 4th house with your main signifcators sitting on the cusp. 4th house often can signify the end of matters, and I wonder if you might maybe decide that you donīt want any further contact, but decide it amicably of course with the Jupiter-trine, before he contacts you again.

Alternatively of course it could be a third person bringing you in contact again. or something else related to that Jupiter.

If the contact happens, I`d say possibly within 8 days (as Moon is having a 8 degree orb of sextile Saturn - and he is going to contact you).

Interestingly even if we use the 11th house for him, as a friend, he is still going to be signified by Venus in Aquarius, ruled by Saturn. (BTW sometimes Saturn also comes up for an ex-partner, so he might be really interested in maintaining contact with you. I am not alltogether sure how purely platonic he feels about that though. Maybe I am wrong, but it just seems he is a tad too interested, but I guess respectful enough. And maybe he really is just intersted in a sporadic contact with you.)

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Thank you very much!

Would you say yes or no, what do your guts tell you?

Maybe the chart tells that he will contact later than January, if any?
And yes of course, I won't do it, see no reason as to why

Or maybe the chart says that all will happen on his Initiative only?

I have no idea but I know that he stays in touch with almost all of his ex girlfriends and even thoug I am no real ex , he threats me like one?

Yes , could happen that I won't reply any longer and since he is taken that hidden thing could be that he hides our contact from his gf?

posted January 01, 2017 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My VX conj. your ASC? Cool, no did not know that.
Of course it means my Sun/Moon-mp is there too and my Chiron is square. lol

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posted January 01, 2017 10:57 AM            

My gut instinct also tell me - at least semi-tell me- that if you might suspect him to have more than purely platonic feelings for you, that you will amicably cut the contact for good.

posted January 01, 2017 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Ha! We have a karmic connection and you would feel it deep inside whenever you see me in person and thst would heal some wounds

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Yes I actually think that is true, of course beore that to happen you would mercilessly rip open any insufficient bandaids on my wounds!

Actually P seems to do that too with his PLuto on 21 Libra (and our composite NN-Amor-Cupido on 20 Libra and Mars on 23 Libra is NOT helpful. lol).

Pluto-Chiron usually is just generational, but in this case overlaying our composite nodal axis, emphasizing for him Pluto in 7th house and for me Chiron in 4th house. and pulling composite Moon in as well.

I`ve always had this image as if my Chiron was desperately clinging to that composite SN, while his NN-Mars on his Pluto seemed to evoke the urge to pull the whole thing into a more present or future manifestation, while my little SElf was just stubbornly putting her heels into that SN and saying: I am NOT going to leave my cave (chiron in 4th house).