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Carlo
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posted December 03, 2002 11:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

sry, had to lose that link, it was causing the page to oversize...

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trippysht
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posted December 04, 2002 09:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yoohoo!! carlo?! is that a no?.....

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Carlo
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posted December 05, 2002 11:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh, I am sorry for forgetting to reply! I am not able to do that at this time, I am pretty busy doing other people's charts and transits and they are kind enough to pay me a few bucks to do it, so I can afford to stay online. so I apologize, yet no, I cannot, although maybe some of the others can help, there are a bunch of sharp astrologers here. Please forgive me

I am working on a page on my site that will explain some of the things I do:

http://lovestarz.com/zzservices.html

still a work in progress. and I just got asked to join the Dana Plato webring this morning! Apparently the girl who is starting it like my Dana Plato astrology page. what fun


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trippysht
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posted December 05, 2002 12:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok! thanks anyways

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theFajita
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posted December 06, 2002 01:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what was on the Dana Plato astrology page??

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Tom
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posted December 07, 2002 12:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Randall for that lovely welcome!!

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Carlo
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posted December 07, 2002 09:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://lovestarz.com/danaplato.html

I wrote shortly after she died. It was my first astrological analysis of death, and it prepared to me to write about John F. Kennedy Jr, and his wife and sister-in-law when their plane crashed and they died. It was significant for me too since I loved her on TV as a kid. I posted it on the old LG site at the time. It was a Labor of Love

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Randall
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posted December 08, 2002 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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theFajita
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posted December 08, 2002 11:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OH wow, that was really nice of you to do that, I enjoyed it but of course was saddened by it too! Wow, I am not surprised about that retrograde at the very time before her death.

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Randall
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posted January 12, 2003 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To the top so the newbies can read Carlo's article.

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theFajita
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posted January 12, 2003 03:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea, I saw something about her on tv this weekend...

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penny lane
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posted January 15, 2003 09:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have a few questions. i was wondering if anyone knew how one goes about learning astrology. I have considered getting some of those by-mail lessons, but i am really bad at teaching myself things. I was also wondering if anyone else thinks that it is wrong to charge for reiki treatments. I am going to school next year for massage therapy, reiki, reflexology and other holistic methods of healing because i am hoping to oneday open a wellness center for holistic healing methods. Carlo, you said that you dont charge for reiki because it is an exchange of energy, how does this make it wrong to be paid for the treatment?

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Randall
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posted January 16, 2003 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right or wrong, most Reiki practitioners are taught to charge.

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posted January 17, 2003 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And it takes a lot of cash (usually) to make it "officially" to higher levels.

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Carlo
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posted January 17, 2003 11:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course not Penny. You can always accept and tender payment if it is offered, that is not charging. Usually the Reiki need arises when it arises, and then it is addressed. Most people at the time will want to pay you, so it's okay to accept that and just give them some fair rate of the top of your head. Yes, and it is fair and fine to charge normally, as in hang out a shingle for it. Just do some pro bono work, like any good attorney does, now and then.

The issue with Reiki is that it is so profound and excellent, people want it all the time, as in, people close to you who know you do it. Be careful of that, people who want it all the time, and if you don't think it's true, do it to a pet, they will quickly turn into...they will almost beg for it. So just be careful of that Penny Be careful who you tell if you prefer not to charge, like me

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penny lane
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posted January 17, 2003 05:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks carlo, i think ill ask for donations for reiki healings so that the person can give me what they feel is appropriate, and what they can afford. My friend charges 60 dollars an hour. i think thats a little steep.

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Carlo
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posted January 18, 2003 11:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"charge" contains the word "rage"

"donations" contains "do nations", so you can do it for nations, and since it's impossible to charge nations or people for it, you do it for free, as a Labor of Love

Which brings me to my next question...when is a lexigram reeeeeaallly a stretch lol

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Aselzion
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posted February 19, 2003 04:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings...

I have been loathe to post on this topic for months now... but I feel that now the time has come.

As an astrologer, one who has paid countless thousands of dollars on books, software, and private instruction over many years... I feel that one must needs charge for readings in order to make it worth one's time and energy... now hear me out!

The person who learns Astrology, by its very nature must devote inordinate amounts of money to learn the Art, and then, in order to practice and become proficient must constantly read charts. We start usually with our own, and then expand into our circle of intimates... always without fee.

Somewhere along the line, friends ask the new practitioner to read for a friend of theirs, which they usually do gratis as a favor to their friend, and again, to expand their knowledge base.

When the budding practitioner starts to get a grasp on the Art, the phone calls come rolling in, asking everything about "the new job", the "new love", the "new house" and whatever else is of immediate interest. Now the practitioner finds that their time and energy are being compromised by trying to HELP their friends and various associates.

Ineveitably the people on the recieveing end, who are asking advice... do not listen if it does not coincide with what they want to hear. They go out and do precisely what they want, and then come back to the astrologer in some sort of mess, because they did not heed the much sought after advice. "Now what do I do?" And so it begins again...

At this point, I feel it is wise to charge for the Artist's time spent... I'm not talking about exhorbitant rates, but sadly it would seem that most of the GENERAL PUBLIC does not place any value on advice that they do not pay for.

If the practitioner does not place a value on their time/service, how will anyone else?

Like all things I think it is a matter of free will... when I choose to Gift a chart or a reading then certainly I expect no payment. But when someone asks me to do a reading, and it will compromise my free time to do so, I believe that charging a reasonable fee for that time is fair and equitable. Barter is also appropriate... but not always a viable option.

I think that Astrologers and people who spend time and energy attempting to guide people by the employment of their various skills and abilities, deserve a reasonable compensation... else how can they continue to provide that service? Not all Astrologers are gifted writers, so they cannot earn their daily bread by "stringing together words on a page".

Not everyone that knows Astrology can earn their daily bread by Teaching.. as Teaching is its own Gift.

There are times when one DOES because the doing is the RIGHT THING at that moment in time.

I think the danger comes when one sets a rate that is affordable only to those with a great amount of discretionary income. I think that if someone is in need, then the rate should be adjusted or entirely waived. But that should be left to the Inner Knowing of the practitioner.

Does this make any sense?

In the Light...
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theFajita3
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posted February 20, 2003 11:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A it makes perfecto sense! I have no problem paying for great astrology lookins. And fortunately a lot of times I haven't had to pay so I think that makes up for when I do have to pay

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trippysht
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posted February 21, 2003 02:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thankyou Aselzion that did make sense. and very helpful too! im glad you decided to post after all this time

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Randall
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posted February 22, 2003 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Linda, but that was very well-said, Aselzion.

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g.wiz
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I must say that every time I read or hear, "it will mean more to you if you pay for it," I see red. I want to go on record as saying, "For myself, that's a complete crock!" I see this as just an excuse some give to justify demanding that their palms be crossed.

There have been times in my life when a free reading would have meant all the earth to me because I was in such pain and turmoil I couldn't think or see straight. At such times I have gone to so-called "free" sites to try and gain some understanding and equilibrium only to find on the second or third page that "free" was just a come-on hustle and the name of the game was "business as usual." I find this attitude regarding service toward our fellow being with a mercantile motive not only very arrogant but very upsetting. Either you are out there to give support or you are out there to make a buck.

Maybe I'm just the exception that makes the rule but a free reading to me is an act of kindness that carries more nurturing than the information imparted. The problem is, this society has been manipulated to see everything from the perspective of a money motive so that corporate industry gets to come in under the radar and gets a free pass to conduct itself like bottom-feeding pirahnas (Enron) instead of US resisting this sharp turn into the ditch and insisting we come from a place of humanity. Anyone who vehemently pursues payment is not vehemently pursuing a humanistic agenda and to be perfectly truthful, I find myself questioning the validity and value of a reading from this type of person. It has been my personal experience that those who scream the loudest for payment are those who demonstrate the least ability to relate to others with any degree of emotional sincerity or availablity; I see this type of personality as myopic, self-absorbed, predatory, and in short, damaged. I will also say that such folks usually have strong ties to substances (recreational toxicology) and I find their attitudes causal.

I'm sure this rant will not endear me to all but I am truly at the end of my tether with this "you won't appreciate it" argument. I say, "speak for yourself."
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StarLover33
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If you don't mind, I would like to put my 2 cents in this conversation.

Seems like both sides are right, and neither side is wrong. Personally, in my heart the truth that most certainly speaks to me, is that money should not be exchanged between estoric teacher and student at all times.

However, this rule can only be lifted, if there is no other way to get your message across to a seeker.

Linda did in fact break the rule, but she does fall into this category as do Carlo and Aselzion, becuase of their hard work and the fact they are reliable guides sincerely trying to help. They are indeed safe from the wrath of the Universe. Unless Carlo and Aselzion are fakers which I wouldn't know, and I have faith they aren't, so I believe they need to be supported with charging, if they have no other way to keep going.

BUT! They will never have the right, to charge an unreasonable sum of money for their services. All people must be able to afford them. Certain times, they also need to give their knowledge for free as a gift to others...and if they do not...AVOID THEM LIKE A PLAGUE, becuase that is what they are. Even Sylvia Brown lended her gifts for free in talk shows but she's definitely not the greatest example.

I think Linda once said that she did thousands of charts and I don't believe she charged or she'd be a hypocrite (although she may have accepted donations.)

For instance Linda's book Star Signs was only $7.99 and that is nothing compared to Astrology.com's reports for $20-40. Neither does all that money go to Linda, it has to go the editors and publishers.

How about paying $600 for Sylvia Brown to give you a psychic reading compared to Edgar Cayce doing it for free and being supported by those who loved and adored him? I could go on and on with my speculation that Edgar Cayce was the reincarnation of Merlin. But thats not the point.

Is it right for a poor seeker to pay tons of money to a psychic, tarot, astrological
reader who aren't even talented? How can someone truly know if they're being conned? This will happen a lot because those who have bad intentions will know that they can make a lot of money by abusing these seekers. Which is why the rule was created in the first place.

If everyone keeps breaking this rule, who can we be able to trust? Therefore the money will stop flowing anyhow, for those who do have good intentions.

If we could only create a support system for our fellow astrologers, with donations like they do with priests, nuns, and monks our problems would be solved. If we could only make this dream manifest.

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